O.T. - troubleshooting the 64bit machine. . .(update)

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Hello,

this certainly is taking time but it keeps being interesting. The machine
came back with a new motherboard and CPU cooler and fans - and it still
powered down just as before. I phoned back and managed to catch them with
their pants down (so to speak), and made them borrow me a graphics card
instead of shipping the thing back and forth indefinitely. A 7650 GT X2
(dual GPU!) was delivered and the machine ran for more than two hours, which
is twice the time it managed earlier, so I really thought I'd found the
culprit.

But then it shut down again, of course. So, this leaves the Seasonic PSU or
the CPU itself (Athlon FX62)?

So, far it has cost me nothing, except the trouble and the troubleshooting
and the transport. The Seasonic has extended warranty but I am not sure
about the CPU, it is 18 months old and I may have some 'Good-Will' to draw
on yet but that was an expensive SOB.

Allright - I've gotten my 30" display, which is wonderful, of course,
thankfully, it runs fine on my Win2K reserve, and I've made a few
observations that I wonder if anyone else can verify. I wouldn't wonder if
the 'Thin-Film-Transistor' was a lot faster than the 'Phosphors', but I had
not expected the effect to be visible to the naked eye, in terms of 'fluent
motion'. The Colin Mc Rae simulator is almost completely transformed, and
displays a video quality that is totally amazing, I just can't seem to be
able to pick up my jaw. If this is 'standard' behavior, then I will beg you
all to get one for yourself. And right now - don't mess about with any of
those 24 inch's!!!


30"tony. . .
 
RE: O.T. - troubleshooting the 64bit machine. . .(update)

Hi Tony,
So you (grrr...) have your brand new (grrr...) 30" LCD monitor (another
grrr...) and I have to stick with my tiny 19" AOC brand LCD (chinese maKe)!
:)
Seriously speaking, TFT technology has left phosphor behind for good.
Each pixel in an LCD monitor is perfectly defined in size, position and
addressing (location on screen).
Phospor elements are "addressed" by a gross electron jet that sweeps all
accross the screen at high speed and traveling different distances.
The distance part accounts for many of its distortions because it doesn't
take the same time for an electron since it comes out of the gun and reaches
an edge as compared to the time to hit the center of the screen, which is
closer to the gun.
CRT monitors behaviour in the corners of the picture tube is certainly lousy
due to "convergence" issues.
Moreover, the electron jet is SO gross that it has to be narrowed down by
the so-called "shadow mask" with is simply a plate with tiny holes that do a
mechanical filtering on the flying electrons, thus reducing the diameter of
the electron jet just before they hit the phosphor.
So, only 10 to 20% of the electrons that left the gun reach the phosphor.
The remaining 80% just hit the shadow mask and heat it up, contributing to
global warming also.
Last but not least, I hope you can have your 64-bit up and running -
permanently - so that you can enjoy your new monitor in full.
:)
Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> this certainly is taking time but it keeps being interesting. The machine
> came back with a new motherboard and CPU cooler and fans - and it still
> powered down just as before. I phoned back and managed to catch them with
> their pants down (so to speak), and made them borrow me a graphics card
> instead of shipping the thing back and forth indefinitely. A 7650 GT X2
> (dual GPU!) was delivered and the machine ran for more than two hours, which
> is twice the time it managed earlier, so I really thought I'd found the
> culprit.
>
> But then it shut down again, of course. So, this leaves the Seasonic PSU or
> the CPU itself (Athlon FX62)?
>
> So, far it has cost me nothing, except the trouble and the troubleshooting
> and the transport. The Seasonic has extended warranty but I am not sure
> about the CPU, it is 18 months old and I may have some 'Good-Will' to draw
> on yet but that was an expensive SOB.
>
> Allright - I've gotten my 30" display, which is wonderful, of course,
> thankfully, it runs fine on my Win2K reserve, and I've made a few
> observations that I wonder if anyone else can verify. I wouldn't wonder if
> the 'Thin-Film-Transistor' was a lot faster than the 'Phosphors', but I had
> not expected the effect to be visible to the naked eye, in terms of 'fluent
> motion'. The Colin Mc Rae simulator is almost completely transformed, and
> displays a video quality that is totally amazing, I just can't seem to be
> able to pick up my jaw. If this is 'standard' behavior, then I will beg you
> all to get one for yourself. And right now - don't mess about with any of
> those 24 inch's!!!
>
>
> 30"tony. . .
>
>
>
 
Re: O.T. - troubleshooting the 64bit machine. . .(update)

Well, we are now down to two remaining possibilities, so I have hopes that
they shall manage to fix it eventually. They are not completely incompetent
but they are short of talented people for the moment. Thanks for the mental
support, though, it falls on a dry spot none-the-less!

It's been some 5 years since I bought a new monitor, and with my ageing eyes
I really thought it was 'pay-back time' to compensate for the aches and
pains of all that time looking at something less than optimal. So I fully
understand all your growling, Carlos - there's really nothing else to do!

I just took a flight from EKRK to ESGT in the simulator and (wow!) I can
easily read every single thing on the panel without my glasses and the
scenery has more detail that is further emphasized by the added contrast.
And this is Win2K on an Athlon XP 2400+ and an AGP card! (FS 9.1, of
course!)

I'll say no more - except to make you contemplate to 'f*ck' the bank for
once? You may only live this once!


Tony. . .



"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:99245C9A-3C41-47AD-B3EA-6D74D7FF0F34@microsoft.com...
> Hi Tony,
> So you (grrr...) have your brand new (grrr...) 30" LCD monitor (another
> grrr...) and I have to stick with my tiny 19" AOC brand LCD (chinese
maKe)!
> :)
> Seriously speaking, TFT technology has left phosphor behind for good.
> Each pixel in an LCD monitor is perfectly defined in size, position and
> addressing (location on screen).
> Phospor elements are "addressed" by a gross electron jet that sweeps all
> accross the screen at high speed and traveling different distances.
> The distance part accounts for many of its distortions because it doesn't
> take the same time for an electron since it comes out of the gun and
reaches
> an edge as compared to the time to hit the center of the screen, which is
> closer to the gun.
> CRT monitors behaviour in the corners of the picture tube is certainly
lousy
> due to "convergence" issues.
> Moreover, the electron jet is SO gross that it has to be narrowed down by
> the so-called "shadow mask" with is simply a plate with tiny holes that do
a
> mechanical filtering on the flying electrons, thus reducing the diameter
of
> the electron jet just before they hit the phosphor.
> So, only 10 to 20% of the electrons that left the gun reach the phosphor.
> The remaining 80% just hit the shadow mask and heat it up, contributing to
> global warming also.
> Last but not least, I hope you can have your 64-bit up and running -
> permanently - so that you can enjoy your new monitor in full.
> :)
> Carlos
>
> "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > this certainly is taking time but it keeps being interesting. The
machine
> > came back with a new motherboard and CPU cooler and fans - and it still
> > powered down just as before. I phoned back and managed to catch them
with
> > their pants down (so to speak), and made them borrow me a graphics card
> > instead of shipping the thing back and forth indefinitely. A 7650 GT X2
> > (dual GPU!) was delivered and the machine ran for more than two hours,
which
> > is twice the time it managed earlier, so I really thought I'd found the
> > culprit.
> >
> > But then it shut down again, of course. So, this leaves the Seasonic PSU
or
> > the CPU itself (Athlon FX62)?
> >
> > So, far it has cost me nothing, except the trouble and the
troubleshooting
> > and the transport. The Seasonic has extended warranty but I am not sure
> > about the CPU, it is 18 months old and I may have some 'Good-Will' to
draw
> > on yet but that was an expensive SOB.
> >
> > Allright - I've gotten my 30" display, which is wonderful, of course,
> > thankfully, it runs fine on my Win2K reserve, and I've made a few
> > observations that I wonder if anyone else can verify. I wouldn't wonder
if
> > the 'Thin-Film-Transistor' was a lot faster than the 'Phosphors', but I
had
> > not expected the effect to be visible to the naked eye, in terms of
'fluent
> > motion'. The Colin Mc Rae simulator is almost completely transformed,
and
> > displays a video quality that is totally amazing, I just can't seem to
be
> > able to pick up my jaw. If this is 'standard' behavior, then I will beg
you
> > all to get one for yourself. And right now - don't mess about with any
of
> > those 24 inch's!!!
> >
> >
> > 30"tony. . .
> >
> >
> >
 
Re: O.T. - troubleshooting the 64bit machine. . .(update)

Tony,
Those 30" are still quite pricey down here and any investement in one would
surely lead me to divorce.
Yes, my eyes are also playing tricks on me and the friggin' presbyopia
struggles with those highly detailed images on my 19" LCD monitor.
My multi-focal lenses help but a bigger monitor would be better.
Who knows? Some time...


"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Well, we are now down to two remaining possibilities, so I have hopes that
> they shall manage to fix it eventually. They are not completely incompetent
> but they are short of talented people for the moment. Thanks for the mental
> support, though, it falls on a dry spot none-the-less!
>
> It's been some 5 years since I bought a new monitor, and with my ageing eyes
> I really thought it was 'pay-back time' to compensate for the aches and
> pains of all that time looking at something less than optimal. So I fully
> understand all your growling, Carlos - there's really nothing else to do!
>
> I just took a flight from EKRK to ESGT in the simulator and (wow!) I can
> easily read every single thing on the panel without my glasses and the
> scenery has more detail that is further emphasized by the added contrast.
> And this is Win2K on an Athlon XP 2400+ and an AGP card! (FS 9.1, of
> course!)
>
> I'll say no more - except to make you contemplate to 'f*ck' the bank for
> once? You may only live this once!
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:99245C9A-3C41-47AD-B3EA-6D74D7FF0F34@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Tony,
> > So you (grrr...) have your brand new (grrr...) 30" LCD monitor (another
> > grrr...) and I have to stick with my tiny 19" AOC brand LCD (chinese
> maKe)!
> > :)
> > Seriously speaking, TFT technology has left phosphor behind for good.
> > Each pixel in an LCD monitor is perfectly defined in size, position and
> > addressing (location on screen).
> > Phospor elements are "addressed" by a gross electron jet that sweeps all
> > accross the screen at high speed and traveling different distances.
> > The distance part accounts for many of its distortions because it doesn't
> > take the same time for an electron since it comes out of the gun and
> reaches
> > an edge as compared to the time to hit the center of the screen, which is
> > closer to the gun.
> > CRT monitors behaviour in the corners of the picture tube is certainly
> lousy
> > due to "convergence" issues.
> > Moreover, the electron jet is SO gross that it has to be narrowed down by
> > the so-called "shadow mask" with is simply a plate with tiny holes that do
> a
> > mechanical filtering on the flying electrons, thus reducing the diameter
> of
> > the electron jet just before they hit the phosphor.
> > So, only 10 to 20% of the electrons that left the gun reach the phosphor.
> > The remaining 80% just hit the shadow mask and heat it up, contributing to
> > global warming also.
> > Last but not least, I hope you can have your 64-bit up and running -
> > permanently - so that you can enjoy your new monitor in full.
> > :)
> > Carlos
> >
> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > this certainly is taking time but it keeps being interesting. The
> machine
> > > came back with a new motherboard and CPU cooler and fans - and it still
> > > powered down just as before. I phoned back and managed to catch them
> with
> > > their pants down (so to speak), and made them borrow me a graphics card
> > > instead of shipping the thing back and forth indefinitely. A 7650 GT X2
> > > (dual GPU!) was delivered and the machine ran for more than two hours,
> which
> > > is twice the time it managed earlier, so I really thought I'd found the
> > > culprit.
> > >
> > > But then it shut down again, of course. So, this leaves the Seasonic PSU
> or
> > > the CPU itself (Athlon FX62)?
> > >
> > > So, far it has cost me nothing, except the trouble and the
> troubleshooting
> > > and the transport. The Seasonic has extended warranty but I am not sure
> > > about the CPU, it is 18 months old and I may have some 'Good-Will' to
> draw
> > > on yet but that was an expensive SOB.
> > >
> > > Allright - I've gotten my 30" display, which is wonderful, of course,
> > > thankfully, it runs fine on my Win2K reserve, and I've made a few
> > > observations that I wonder if anyone else can verify. I wouldn't wonder
> if
> > > the 'Thin-Film-Transistor' was a lot faster than the 'Phosphors', but I
> had
> > > not expected the effect to be visible to the naked eye, in terms of
> 'fluent
> > > motion'. The Colin Mc Rae simulator is almost completely transformed,
> and
> > > displays a video quality that is totally amazing, I just can't seem to
> be
> > > able to pick up my jaw. If this is 'standard' behavior, then I will beg
> you
> > > all to get one for yourself. And right now - don't mess about with any
> of
> > > those 24 inch's!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > 30"tony. . .
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
 
Re: O.T. - troubleshooting the 64bit machine. . .(update)

Couldn't you sell tickets to your next barbecue?

Then, tell your wife that the eyestrain is degrading your abillity to watch
and cherish her beauty? A 'dirty' trick' - I know, but one that would be
absolutely true, if I'm not mistaken?

:0o


Tony. . .
 
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