/3GB analysis

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so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell what
the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it
always takes as much as it has?

We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering how
I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this will be
a good thing or not.

from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is a
production system and people don't like to just try things, they would like
a little certainty.

Thanks
Justin
 
RE: /3GB analysis

Hello,
I would start with this article the links it contains,
291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical
Address Extension parameter
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

There are some very good links contained in the article talking about /3gb
and they contain more links.


Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >Subject: /3GB analysis
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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
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| >
| >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell
what
| >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it
| >always takes as much as it has?
| >
| >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering
how
| >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this will
be
| >a good thing or not.
| >
| >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is a
| >production system and people don't like to just try things, they would
like
| >a little certainty.
| >
| >Thanks
| >Justin
| >
| >
| >
 
Re: /3GB analysis

thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to
determine if you need it...

on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to the
more detailed article on VM ;)

the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager
keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager, paged
and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL
boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if i
could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate as
to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its worthwhile
to give the /3gb switch a try.

Thank
Justin

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
> I would start with this article the links it contains,
> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical
> Address Extension parameter
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988
>
> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about /3gb
> and they contain more links.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
> | >Subject: /3GB analysis
> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400
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> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >
> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell
> what
> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it
> | >always takes as much as it has?
> | >
> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering
> how
> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this
> will
> be
> | >a good thing or not.
> | >
> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is
> a
> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they would
> like
> | >a little certainty.
> | >
> | >Thanks
> | >Justin
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
 
Re: /3GB analysis

>thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to
>determine if you need it...
>
>on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to the
>more detailed article on VM ;)
>
>the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager
>keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager, paged
>and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL
>boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if i
>could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate as
>to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its worthwhile
>to give the /3gb switch a try.

I just took the /3GB plunge the other day and so far it's been good.
Mine is a print server with SQL Server 2000 that had not been set to
use min / max memory. Originally, it was hogging available RAM. Now,
I've allocated it 2GB with the rest to the system.

One thing to note is that with /3GB enabled, you'll lose 1/2 of the
non-paged pool.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Re: /3GB analysis

Hello,
You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.
There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource
consumption tracking
http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
| >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
| >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis
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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815
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| >
| >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to
| >determine if you need it...
| >
| >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to
the
| >more detailed article on VM ;)
| >
| >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager
| >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager,
paged
| >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL
| >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if
i
| >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate
as
| >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its
worthwhile
| >to give the /3gb switch a try.
| >
| >Thank
| >Justin
| >
| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> Hello,
| >> I would start with this article the links it contains,
| >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical
| >> Address Extension parameter
| >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988
| >>
| >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about
/3gb
| >> and they contain more links.
| >>
| >>
| >> Thanks,
| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >>
| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
| >> --------------------
| >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
| >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis
| >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400
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| >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >
| >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to
tell
| >> what
| >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that
it
| >> | >always takes as much as it has?
| >> | >
| >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was
wondering
| >> how
| >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this
| >> will
| >> be
| >> | >a good thing or not.
| >> | >
| >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this
is
| >> a
| >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they
would
| >> like
| >> | >a little certainty.
| >> | >
| >> | >Thanks
| >> | >Justin
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >>
| >
| >
| >
 
Re: /3GB analysis

Thanks
I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal of
it is over my head.

I'll keep learning, Thanks :)

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.
> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource
> consumption tracking
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis
> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400
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> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815
> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >
> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to
> | >determine if you need it...
> | >
> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to
> the
> | >more detailed article on VM ;)
> | >
> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task
> manager
> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager,
> paged
> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and
> HAL
> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate...
> if
> i
> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an
> estimate
> as
> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its
> worthwhile
> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.
> | >
> | >Thank
> | >Justin
> | >
> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> | >> Hello,
> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,
> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical
> | >> Address Extension parameter
> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988
> | >>
> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about
> /3gb
> | >> and they contain more links.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> Thanks,
> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
> | >>
> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
> | >> --------------------
> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis
> | >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400
> | >> | >Lines: 16
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> | >> | >Path:
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> | >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >> | >
> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to
> tell
> | >> what
> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed
> that
> it
> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?
> | >> | >
> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was
> wondering
> | >> how
> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether
> this
> | >> will
> | >> be
> | >> | >a good thing or not.
> | >> | >
> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately
> this
> is
> | >> a
> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they
> would
> | >> like
> | >> | >a little certainty.
> | >> | >
> | >> | >Thanks
> | >> | >Justin
> | >> | >
> | >> | >
> | >> | >
> | >>
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
 
Re: /3GB analysis

Hello,
most of if is over my head as well.
I was going to grab my Windows Internals book and see what they have in
there as well but I fogot to check last night
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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| >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
<O9i2mt#yIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39865
| >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >
| >Thanks
| >I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal
of
| >it is over my head.
| >
| >I'll keep learning, Thanks :)
| >
| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >news:aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> Hello,
| >> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.
| >> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource
| >> consumption tracking
| >> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx
| >> Thanks,
| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >>
| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
| >> --------------------
| >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
| >> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
| >> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis
| >> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400
| >> | >Lines: 77
| >> | >X-Priority: 3
| >> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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| >> | >Path:
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| >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815
| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >
| >> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how
to
| >> | >determine if you need it...
| >> | >
| >> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link
to
| >> the
| >> | >more detailed article on VM ;)
| >> | >
| >> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task
| >> manager
| >> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task
manager,
| >> paged
| >> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive
and
| >> HAL
| >> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to
calculate...
| >> if
| >> i
| >> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an
| >> estimate
| >> as
| >> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its
| >> worthwhile
| >> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.
| >> | >
| >> | >Thank
| >> | >Justin
| >> | >
| >> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
| >> message
| >> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> | >> Hello,
| >> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,
| >> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the
Physical
| >> | >> Address Extension parameter
| >> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988
| >> | >>
| >> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking
about
| >> /3gb
| >> | >> and they contain more links.
| >> | >>
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Thanks,
| >> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >> | >>
| >> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
| >> rights
| >> | >> --------------------
| >> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
| >> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis
| >> | >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400
| >> | >> | >Lines: 16
| >> | >> | >X-Priority: 3
| >> | >> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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| >> | >> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: cpz702jrich.mgh.harvard.edu 132.183.34.69
| >> | >> | >Path:
| >> TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
| >> | >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
| >> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
| >> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >> | >
| >> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way
to
| >> tell
| >> | >> what
| >> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed
| >> that
| >> it
| >> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?
| >> | >> | >
| >> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was
| >> wondering
| >> | >> how
| >> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether
| >> this
| >> | >> will
| >> | >> be
| >> | >> | >a good thing or not.
| >> | >> | >
| >> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately
| >> this
| >> is
| >> | >> a
| >> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things,
they
| >> would
| >> | >> like
| >> | >> | >a little certainty.
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Re: /3GB analysis

been reading that book all morning :)
they need to get a Kindle version so i have a good excuse to buy one :)

only on chap 6, need to make it to 7 for memory stuff.. soon enough

thanks for the help.

Justin

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> most of if is over my head as well.
> I was going to grab my Windows Internals book and see what they have in
> there as well but I fogot to check last night
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
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> --------------------
> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
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> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis
> | >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:27:58 -0400
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> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39865
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> | >
> | >Thanks
> | >I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal
> of
> | >it is over my head.
> | >
> | >I'll keep learning, Thanks :)
> | >
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> | >news:aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> | >> Hello,
> | >> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.
> | >> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource
> | >> consumption tracking
> | >> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx
> | >> Thanks,
> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
> | >>
> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
> | >> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
> | >> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis
> | >> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400
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> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815
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> | >> | >
> | >> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how
> to
> | >> | >determine if you need it...
> | >> | >
> | >> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the
> link
> to
> | >> the
> | >> | >more detailed article on VM ;)
> | >> | >
> | >> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task
> | >> manager
> | >> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task
> manager,
> | >> paged
> | >> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive
> and
> | >> HAL
> | >> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to
> calculate...
> | >> if
> | >> i
> | >> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an
> | >> estimate
> | >> as
> | >> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its
> | >> worthwhile
> | >> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.
> | >> | >
> | >> | >Thank
> | >> | >Justin
> | >> | >
> | >> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
> | >> message
> | >> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> | >> | >> Hello,
> | >> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,
> | >> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the
> Physical
> | >> | >> Address Extension parameter
> | >> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988
> | >> | >>
> | >> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking
> about
> | >> /3gb
> | >> | >> and they contain more links.
> | >> | >>
> | >> | >>
> | >> | >> Thanks,
> | >> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
> | >> | >>
> | >> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no
> | >> rights
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> | >> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>
> | >> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis
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> | >> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743
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> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a
> way
> to
> | >> tell
> | >> | >> what
> | >> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it
> assumed
> | >> that
> | >> it
> | >> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was
> | >> wondering
> | >> | >> how
> | >> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on
> whether
> | >> this
> | >> | >> will
> | >> | >> be
> | >> | >> | >a good thing or not.
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out,
> unfortunately
> | >> this
> | >> is
> | >> | >> a
> | >> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things,
> they
> | >> would
> | >> | >> like
> | >> | >> | >a little certainty.
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >Thanks
> | >> | >> | >Justin
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >> | >
> | >> | >>
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> | >>
> | >
> | >
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