XP 64Bit installation USB devices

[umwhat]

Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
The bios has boot from USB devices settings.


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[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation. If you
search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.
Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
usually unstable Windows installations.

John

umwhat wrote:

> Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
> Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
> The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
>
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

I thought that to be the case but having seen the "Boot from USB" option in
the bios I asked the question.

>If you search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
> toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
> also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.

...yes...later it conks out.


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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
> installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation.
> Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
> usually unstable Windows installations.
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
> > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
> > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
> >
> >
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.

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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> Other than Embedded editions no other Windows version has support for
> installation on USB devices, it is not a supported installation. If you
> search the net you will find some information from some folks who have
> toyed with this and who claim to have gotten it to work, but you will
> also find lots of reports of failure, bugs, and unstable installations.
> Most who try eventually abandon the project because the results are
> usually unstable Windows installations.
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP Home
> > Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata harddrive.
> > The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
> >
> >
>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

umwhat wrote:

> I thought that to be the case but having seen the "Boot from USB" option in
> the bios I asked the question.

You can boot the computer from USB and you can boot other operating
systems from USB, but not Windows. A PE like Bart's PE is an operating
system that can run from a CD or flash drive. Live Linux CDs are also
operating systems that can be booted and run from USB CD, possibly Linux
versions can be installed on USB drives, I haven't looked into it so I
don't know. But a full Windows installation cannot be booted from USB
drives, it isn't supported.

John

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Yes, absolutely. Find a suitable card and supply the drivers to the
setup program during the installation (use F6 and have the drivers on a
floppy diskette).

John

umwhat wrote:

> Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
> harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
> Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
> for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
>

 

[Bobby Johnson]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

The hardware will work in 64-bit if the driver supports it.
It's the software drivers that are OS specific, not the
hardware.


umwhat wrote:
> Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
> harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
> Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
> for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Hi John,
...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
not wish to install a RAID setup.
I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
BTW...
....I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.


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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> Yes, absolutely. Find a suitable card and supply the drivers to the
> setup program during the installation (use F6 and have the drivers on a
> floppy diskette).
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Will Windows 64Bit Edition install onto a second harddrive if the second
> > harddrive is connected to an addon PCI card that has a Sata connector on it?
> > Still, the card would need to be 64 bit compatible...the card I saw says it
> > for 32bit but does not mention 64 bit.
> >
>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.

John

umwhat wrote:

> Hi John,
> ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
> Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
> not wish to install a RAID setup.
> I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
> second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
> XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
> Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
> BTW...
> ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
> Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
> would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
>
>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

umwhat wrote:

> ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
> Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?

No, that is one of the Microsoft Office Suite versions. The only
operating system that has "2003" in its nane is Server 2003.

John

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

My thoughts were, the F6 prompt for driver installation would be to install
RAID only drivers. I see the F6 prompt is asking for the card controller
driver.

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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
> included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
> wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
> need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
> drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
> have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
> not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> > ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
> > Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
> > not wish to install a RAID setup.
> > I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
> > second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
> > XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
> > Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
> > BTW...
> > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
> > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
> > would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
> >
> >
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Thankyou.
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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> umwhat wrote:
>
> > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
> > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?
>
> No, that is one of the Microsoft Office Suite versions. The only
> operating system that has "2003" in its nane is Server 2003.
>
> John
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
accepted for soon.
The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
a comment I was asking in htis thread is...

Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
the whole Windows XP harddrive?
My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.
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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> It's a requirement for *all* controllers that do not have drivers
> included on the Windows installation cd. In your case you will be
> wanting to boot the drive on a controller on the add-on card so you will
> need to supply the driver for the controller on that card, i.e. the
> drivers that come with the card. Some of the most popular cards may
> have drivers included on the Windows cd but don't count on that, most do
> not and you will have to supply the driver when you install Windows.
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> > ...you are saying to install drivers at the F6 prompt during installation.
> > Is that a requirement for RAID and not a requirement for Non-RAID setup.I do
> > not wish to install a RAID setup.
> > I will have XP Home Edition on a first harddrive. I would like to install a
> > second harddrive to install XP 64Bit Edition. I want to use the Backup in the
> > XP Pro to backup the work I will do for a computer course using Microsoft
> > Office 2003 which I will install into the XP Home installation.
> > BTW...
> > ...I was browsing tonight and got the impression that Microsoft Office
> > Professional 2003 is an operating system. Is that right?...I have thought I
> > would be installing it into an operating system, Windows XP Home Edition.
> >
> >
>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

It's for all "Mass Storage Controller" drivers, add on controller cards
fall in that category. See here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

John

umwhat wrote:

> My thoughts were, the F6 prompt for driver installation would be to install
> RAID only drivers. I see the F6 prompt is asking for the card controller
> driver.
>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
also an XP Home version.

Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
usable.

Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.

John

umwhat wrote:



> I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
> about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
> accepted for soon.
> The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
> a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
>
> Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
> Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
> in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
> the whole Windows XP harddrive?
> My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
> backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

I solved that by buying a SATA drive enclosure and connecting to one of the
eSATA ports on the back of my computer. If you don't have eSATA ports you
can add a passthrough connector that lets you connect to a SATA port on the
mobo internally and to the enclosure with a second cable externally.

"umwhat" <mesomewhere@someotherplace.com> wrote in message
news:011E9815-2C7C-4C77-95B9-645A30859487@microsoft.com...
> Will XP 64Bit Edition install onto a USB connected Sata2 harddrive? XP
> Home
> Editon will already be installed onto a motherboard connected Sata
> harddrive.
> The bios has boot from USB devices settings.
>
>
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[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...

John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.

... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.

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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
> on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
> able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
> Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
> also an XP Home version.
>
> Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
> registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
> order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
> installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
> be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
> usable.
>
> Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
> but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
> in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
> for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
> easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
> when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
> way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
> Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
> Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
> the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
> be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.
>
> John
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this thread
> > about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope to be
> > accepted for soon.
> > The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but left
> > a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
> >
> > Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
> > Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home Edition
> > in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to back up
> > the whole Windows XP harddrive?
> > My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
> > backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.
>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

John is simply saying that you have to be running XP64 to use its backup
program. You cannot run the XP64 backup while running XP Home. That's
pretty basic stuff.

"umwhat" <mesomewhere@someotherplace.com> wrote in message
news:E4D4FF05-A3D9-4488-B67F-75C83E73E52F@microsoft.com...
> Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
>
> John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I
> started
> there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work
> full
> featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
>
> ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
> because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically
> it
> seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
>
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>
>
> "John John (MVP)" wrote:
>
>> If you are asking if you will be able to use a backup utility installed
>> on x64 while you are booted to XP Home the answer is no, you won't be
>> able to use the backup utility installed on XP x64 when you are using XP
>> Home. That would also apply even if the second operating system was
>> also an XP Home version.
>>
>> Other than small self contained programs or programs that do not use the
>> registry at all you cannot use programs on other installations. In
>> order to properly use the program you must install it on the Windows
>> installation that will use it, the necessary registry information will
>> be written when the program is installed, only then will the program be
>> usable.
>>
>> Being that you are a student I don't know about your "funds" situation,
>> but if you can spare a few dollars I think you would be wise to invest
>> in a good backup utility. The Windows backup utility (NTBackUp) is ok
>> for certain things but it has severe limitations. It would be ok and
>> easy to use from one OS to backup the other dormant installation, but
>> when it comes to disaster recovery it isn't the best of tools. By the
>> way, while the backup tool is not installed on XP Home, it is on the
>> Windows cd and you can install it on XP Home. If it isn't on your
>> Windows CD it is available for download on the internet. Also, while
>> the NTBackUp utility can be used on XP Home, it cannot do ASR backups or
>> be used to do ASR restore on the XP Home version.
>>
>> John
>>
>> umwhat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I have been asking questions about the same things I am asking in this
>> > thread
>> > about having backup ready for when I start the computing course I hope
>> > to be
>> > accepted for soon.
>> > The last thing I need to know know and did ask in the other thread but
>> > left
>> > a comment I was asking in htis thread is...
>> >
>> > Will I be able to use Windows Backup in a Windows XP 64Bit Edition
>> > Professional installation in a second harddrive with Windows XP Home
>> > Edition
>> > in the first harddrive and have all the backup features available to
>> > back up
>> > the whole Windows XP harddrive?
>> > My concern is for the backup of work I do for the course? Incremental
>> > backups sounds like a good option for the back ups.
>>

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

From the x64 installation you will be able to backup all your drives.
From the XP Home installation using the NTBackUp utility you will be
able to backup all your drives. But you will not be able to use the ASR
feature on the XP Home installation. I see that you talk about Acronis
in your other post, that is a good backup utiliy, you should use it
instead of NTBackUp.

umwhat wrote:

> Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
>
> John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
> there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
> featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
>
> ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
> because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
> seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
>

 

[umwhat]

Re: XP 64Bit installation USB devices

Thankyou John,
I will download the trial Acronis True Image 11 and use it as Charlie and
you suggest. I am hoping there will not be a time feature that disables what
is done during the trial period. It does not seem there is.
Do you think Acronis can backup to a smaller partitin than the partition it
backs up?

But I will not be able to afford to pay for the retail version for a while.

I did happen to download a free one day offer of a good looking backup
application but I did not get to activate it and install it, I only activated
it, in the one day. And that during the time I have been asking questions...I
will still look for free versions for a while until I can afford Acronis but
I think but there is so many available, it is going to be a trial...
I have done a backup with Neros old version 1.2.0.65 from Nero 6 but I
doubt that will restore to a smaller partition so I may have to reinstall.
Thats ok.
Thankyou



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"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> From the x64 installation you will be able to backup all your drives.
> From the XP Home installation using the NTBackUp utility you will be
> able to backup all your drives. But you will not be able to use the ASR
> feature on the XP Home installation. I see that you talk about Acronis
> in your other post, that is a good backup utiliy, you should use it
> instead of NTBackUp.
>
> umwhat wrote:
>
> > Subject: Backup/Dual Boot XP Home & XP Pro 64Bit...
> >
> > John, Charlie has answered this part of my questions in the thread I started
> > there...and is saying the XP 64Bit Edition Pro Backup Utility will work full
> > featured for both harddrives from the XP 64Bit Edition Pro harddrive.
> >
> > ... but I am getting the impression from your post that will not work
> > because of the limited XP Home backup utility. Trying to think logically it
> > seems the xp pro backup will work full featured for me that way.
> >
>