Hyper-V RTM

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Re: Hyper-V RTM

Are you talking about the tools or Hyper-V itself? Hyper-V or similar for
Vista is not in the cards. I recall it being stated six months ago or more
that it would not be in Vista. Windows 7? No announcements made. Probably
would not be the same anyway since an interface more like VPC's would be
more useful IMO.

The remote mangement tools are at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952627

"Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
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> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>
>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>> environments
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Vista remote mgmt is out now, and vista is supported as a "guest" (actually
child partition).

New in the RTM from previous RC's - support for XP x64 as a child partition!

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"Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
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> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>
>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>> environments
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Charlie, I knew you were going to rejoice when I saw that one.

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:2AD0B2DF-8682-4076-9B91-568BB7728135@microsoft.com...
> Vista remote mgmt is out now, and vista is supported as a "guest"
> (actually child partition).
>
> New in the RTM from previous RC's - support for XP x64 as a child
> partition!
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
>
> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>
>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>> environments
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>
>>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Colin - I notice a little MVP bug next to your post? You back? Well earned!

--
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http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:D6CB0367-6290-47A2-9CF0-E6CDA318F86E@microsoft.com...
> Charlie, I knew you were going to rejoice when I saw that one.
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:2AD0B2DF-8682-4076-9B91-568BB7728135@microsoft.com...
>> Vista remote mgmt is out now, and vista is supported as a "guest"
>> (actually child partition).
>>
>> New in the RTM from previous RC's - support for XP x64 as a child
>> partition!
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>> environments
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>
>>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Check your email for my comment.

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:A137F743-D9EA-4EFC-A0B2-F5D2282BC91B@microsoft.com...
> Colin - I notice a little MVP bug next to your post? You back? Well
> earned!
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:D6CB0367-6290-47A2-9CF0-E6CDA318F86E@microsoft.com...
>> Charlie, I knew you were going to rejoice when I saw that one.
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:2AD0B2DF-8682-4076-9B91-568BB7728135@microsoft.com...
>>> Vista remote mgmt is out now, and vista is supported as a "guest"
>>> (actually child partition).
>>>
>>> New in the RTM from previous RC's - support for XP x64 as a child
>>> partition!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>> environments
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that virtual
pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper Threading for 16
simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use one core would seem
very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate computer just to run server
so I can use Hyper-V.
I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when Hyper-V
can do the job.


"Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>
>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>> environments
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

By [processor], MS usually mean [socket], if they didn't change requirements
lately!


Tony. . .


"Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that

virtual
> pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper Threading for 16
> simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use one core would seem
> very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate computer just to run

server
> so I can use Hyper-V.
> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
> cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when Hyper-V
> can do the job.
>
>
> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
> > When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
> >
> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

message
> > news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
> >>
> >> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
> >> environments
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charlie.
> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
> >>
> >>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any privileged
knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public evidence.) I
would be very surprised if the next version of a client virtualization
solution didn't support more than a single core. And I think 64-bit guests
are a must.

I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us. Multiple
cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just aren't there,
IMO.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper Threading
> for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use one core
> would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate computer just
> to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
> cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when Hyper-V
> can do the job.
>
>
> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>
>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>> environments
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>
>>>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will support
hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public
>evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a client
>virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core. And I think
>64-bit guests are a must.
>
> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just
> aren't there, IMO.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper Threading
>> for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use one core
>> would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate computer just
>> to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
>> cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when Hyper-V
>> can do the job.
>>
>>
>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>> environments
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>
>>>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Oh, I'm sure it will. But given the overhead of handling extra CPUs, the
actual _gain_ may not be all that much. Since HyperThreading isn't nearly as
efficient as a full core.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3FF15687-E98A-43ED-8655-47EA2CDA7549@microsoft.com...
> Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will
> support hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public
>>evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a client
>>virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core. And I
>>think 64-bit guests are a must.
>>
>> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
>> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just
>> aren't there, IMO.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper
>>> Threading for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use
>>> one core would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate
>>> computer just to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
>>> cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when
>>> Hyper-V can do the job.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>> environments
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Maybe Intel has in mind leveraging the QuickConnect technology (instead of
the FSB) to achieve some gain there.

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:FBBD4AA0-DA0A-4983-86E0-D6EBB68B98AC@microsoft.com...
> Oh, I'm sure it will. But given the overhead of handling extra CPUs, the
> actual _gain_ may not be all that much. Since HyperThreading isn't nearly
> as efficient as a full core.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3FF15687-E98A-43ED-8655-47EA2CDA7549@microsoft.com...
>> Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will
>> support hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>>>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>>>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public
>>>evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a client
>>>virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core. And I
>>>think 64-bit guests are a must.
>>>
>>> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
>>> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just
>>> aren't there, IMO.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>
>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>>>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>>>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper
>>>> Threading for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to use
>>>> one core would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a separate
>>>> computer just to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>>>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows multiple
>>>> cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten when
>>>> Hyper-V can do the job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>>> environments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Could be. But I've seen enough studies to know that it doesn't matter what
you do with a "normal" OS and applications, at some point the addition of
processors is counter-productive. (this assumes that both the OS and the
applications you're running are not specifically written for HPC, which is a
different kettle of fish.) Now in a Server environment, that's a bit
different, but as a workstation? Even someone who multi-tasks as much as I
do is pretty much maxed out at 4 cores. And honestly, I don't even push that
fourth one if I don't do virtualization. Now, virtualizing? Oh, yeah, now
we want some cores. And lots and lots and lots of memory.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5317700C-B8DF-4AEE-90C9-96F1DD8B7E92@microsoft.com...
> Maybe Intel has in mind leveraging the QuickConnect technology (instead of
> the FSB) to achieve some gain there.
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:FBBD4AA0-DA0A-4983-86E0-D6EBB68B98AC@microsoft.com...
>> Oh, I'm sure it will. But given the overhead of handling extra CPUs, the
>> actual _gain_ may not be all that much. Since HyperThreading isn't nearly
>> as efficient as a full core.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:3FF15687-E98A-43ED-8655-47EA2CDA7549@microsoft.com...
>>> Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will
>>> support hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>>>>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>>>>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public
>>>>evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a client
>>>>virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core. And I
>>>>think 64-bit guests are a must.
>>>>
>>>> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
>>>> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just
>>>> aren't there, IMO.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>
>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>>>>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>>>>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper
>>>>> Threading for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to
>>>>> use one core would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a
>>>>> separate computer just to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>>>>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows
>>>>> multiple cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten
>>>>> when Hyper-V can do the job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>>>> environments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

I too think the octacores planned for Nehalem would be more than enough. By
the time software catches up Intel will be down the road two more
microarchtectures anyway. Image running Data Center on a 64 octacore box.
"My Photoshop is too slow. What am I doing wrong?" :)

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:1DD88A46-2460-440C-A09A-AC8358ECC9D4@microsoft.com...
> Could be. But I've seen enough studies to know that it doesn't matter what
> you do with a "normal" OS and applications, at some point the addition of
> processors is counter-productive. (this assumes that both the OS and the
> applications you're running are not specifically written for HPC, which is
> a different kettle of fish.) Now in a Server environment, that's a bit
> different, but as a workstation? Even someone who multi-tasks as much as I
> do is pretty much maxed out at 4 cores. And honestly, I don't even push
> that fourth one if I don't do virtualization. Now, virtualizing? Oh, yeah,
> now we want some cores. And lots and lots and lots of memory.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:5317700C-B8DF-4AEE-90C9-96F1DD8B7E92@microsoft.com...
>> Maybe Intel has in mind leveraging the QuickConnect technology (instead
>> of the FSB) to achieve some gain there.
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:FBBD4AA0-DA0A-4983-86E0-D6EBB68B98AC@microsoft.com...
>>> Oh, I'm sure it will. But given the overhead of handling extra CPUs, the
>>> actual _gain_ may not be all that much. Since HyperThreading isn't
>>> nearly as efficient as a full core.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:3FF15687-E98A-43ED-8655-47EA2CDA7549@microsoft.com...
>>>> Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will
>>>> support hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>>>>>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the public
>>>>>evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a client
>>>>>virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core. And I
>>>>>think 64-bit guests are a must.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
>>>>> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains just
>>>>> aren't there, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>>>>>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper
>>>>>> Threading for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to
>>>>>> use one core would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a
>>>>>> separate computer just to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>>>>>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows
>>>>>> multiple cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be rewritten
>>>>>> when Hyper-V can do the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>>>>> environments
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>

>
 
Re: Hyper-V RTM

Yes. And until we get RAM that uses less energy (and produces less heat), we
have a problem anyway. I'm now favouring Opterons again, just because I
don't have to use FBDIMMs.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0060F7B8-852F-4D19-8D5D-D674800E81AB@microsoft.com...
>I too think the octacores planned for Nehalem would be more than enough.
>By the time software catches up Intel will be down the road two more
>microarchtectures anyway. Image running Data Center on a 64 octacore box.
>"My Photoshop is too slow. What am I doing wrong?" :)
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:1DD88A46-2460-440C-A09A-AC8358ECC9D4@microsoft.com...
>> Could be. But I've seen enough studies to know that it doesn't matter
>> what you do with a "normal" OS and applications, at some point the
>> addition of processors is counter-productive. (this assumes that both the
>> OS and the applications you're running are not specifically written for
>> HPC, which is a different kettle of fish.) Now in a Server environment,
>> that's a bit different, but as a workstation? Even someone who
>> multi-tasks as much as I do is pretty much maxed out at 4 cores. And
>> honestly, I don't even push that fourth one if I don't do virtualization.
>> Now, virtualizing? Oh, yeah, now we want some cores. And lots and lots
>> and lots of memory.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:5317700C-B8DF-4AEE-90C9-96F1DD8B7E92@microsoft.com...
>>> Maybe Intel has in mind leveraging the QuickConnect technology (instead
>>> of the FSB) to achieve some gain there.
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:FBBD4AA0-DA0A-4983-86E0-D6EBB68B98AC@microsoft.com...
>>>> Oh, I'm sure it will. But given the overhead of handling extra CPUs,
>>>> the actual _gain_ may not be all that much. Since HyperThreading isn't
>>>> nearly as efficient as a full core.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:3FF15687-E98A-43ED-8655-47EA2CDA7549@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Charlie, I believe Intel's next new microarchitecture, Nehalem, will
>>>>> support hyperthreading. It is about a year away. See the link:
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>> message news:832A59A6-74B1-45A7-9DFC-0C9EE51868D7@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>I wouldn't assume that, personally. (And that is NOT based on any
>>>>>>privileged knowledge of what's coming, just my SWAG based on the
>>>>>>public evidence.) I would be very surprised if the next version of a
>>>>>>client virtualization solution didn't support more than a single core.
>>>>>>And I think 64-bit guests are a must.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might add that I think the days of hyperthreading are behind us.
>>>>>> Multiple cores has really replaced the need for it, and the gains
>>>>>> just aren't there, IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:EBA53A9B-93DC-4523-97B3-A0F5B06A3C32@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> My main concern is in being able to use more than one processor that
>>>>>>> virtual pc currently is limited to. When the 8 core, with Hyper
>>>>>>> Threading for 16 simultaneous threads comes out, only being able to
>>>>>>> use one core would seem very inadequate. I don't want to run a
>>>>>>> separate computer just to run server so I can use Hyper-V.
>>>>>>> I am assuming that Hyper-V will be the only option that allows
>>>>>>> multiple cores and a 64 bit guest. That virtual PC won't be
>>>>>>> rewritten when Hyper-V can do the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bender" <imnotgivingmynametoa@machine.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0994A907-8449-43B5-AA2B-A9C34CC58CE1@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> When does the Vista client version come out? January 2010 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:FE27DFE1-E550-4710-B144-953C299B295C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/default.aspx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Download today, or wait till early July for WU/MU of your existing
>>>>>>>>> environments
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>

>
 
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