Another Vista install tip

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Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
This one took me one hour to solve it.
I was supposed to be an easy one.
Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD was
just a piece of cake.
Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!
Drivers for vanilla IDE?
WTF?
I tried every known recipe.
Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory
voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
No dice.
Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor ones.
I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk
box and that was it.
No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
:)
Carlos
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Nice post.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> This one took me one hour to solve it.
> I was supposed to be an easy one.
> Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD
> was
> just a piece of cake.
> Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!
> Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> WTF?
> I tried every known recipe.
> Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory
> voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> No dice.
> Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor
> ones.
> I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk
> box and that was it.
> No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> :)
> Carlos
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as
well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was
'the bees knees'?

(more, I'd say!)


Tony. . .


"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> This one took me one hour to solve it.
> I was supposed to be an easy one.
> Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD
was
> just a piece of cake.
> Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!
> Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> WTF?
> I tried every known recipe.
> Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory
> voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> No dice.
> Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor
ones.
> I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk
> box and that was it.
> No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> :)
> Carlos
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles when
using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in an
MSI motherboard.
They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
motherboards.
Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as
> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was
> 'the bees knees'?
>
> (more, I'd say!)
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD
> was
> > just a piece of cake.
> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!
> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> > WTF?
> > I tried every known recipe.
> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory
> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> > No dice.
> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor
> ones.
> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk
> > box and that was it.
> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> > :)
> > Carlos
>
>
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate an
old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost always
40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the much
higher frequencies.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
> More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
> A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles when
> using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
> The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in an
> MSI motherboard.
> They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
> motherboards.
> Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
> Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
> Carlos
>
> "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>
>> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as
>> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was
>> 'the bees knees'?
>>
>> (more, I'd say!)
>>
>>
>> Tony. . .
>>
>>
>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE
>> > DVD
>> was
>> > just a piece of cake.
>> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> > drivers!!!
>> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> > WTF?
>> > I tried every known recipe.
>> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
>> > memory
>> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> > No dice.
>> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor
>> ones.
>> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my
>> > junk
>> > box and that was it.
>> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> > :)
>> > Carlos
>>
>>
>>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on a
40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't
always do that, apparently.


Tony. . .


"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate
an
> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
always
> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
much
> higher frequencies.
>
> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
when
> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in
an
> > MSI motherboard.
> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
> > motherboards.
> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
> > Carlos
> >
> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion
as
> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff
was
> >> 'the bees knees'?
> >>
> >> (more, I'd say!)
> >>
> >>
> >> Tony. . .
> >>
> >>
> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE
> >> > DVD
> >> was
> >> > just a piece of cake.
> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
> >> > drivers!!!
> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> >> > WTF?
> >> > I tried every known recipe.
> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
> >> > memory
> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> >> > No dice.
> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
conductor
> >> ones.
> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my
> >> > junk
> >> > box and that was it.
> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> >> > :)
> >> > Carlos
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

The user generally just reports a symptom, like "when I try to read a cd it
starts but never finishes" or "I can't find my drive in Computer."

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on
> a
> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't
> always do that, apparently.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate
> an
>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
> always
>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
> much
>> higher frequencies.
>>
>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
> when
>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in
> an
>> > MSI motherboard.
>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
>> > motherboards.
>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion
> as
>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff
> was
>> >> 'the bees knees'?
>> >>
>> >> (more, I'd say!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tony. . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE
>> >> > DVD
>> >> was
>> >> > just a piece of cake.
>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> >> > drivers!!!
>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> >> > WTF?
>> >> > I tried every known recipe.
>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
>> >> > memory
>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> >> > No dice.
>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
> conductor
>> >> ones.
>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in
>> >> > my
>> >> > junk
>> >> > box and that was it.
>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> >> > :)
>> >> > Carlos
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Tony.

But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but
only 40 pins at each end.

Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an
accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on
> a
> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't
> always do that, apparently.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate
> an
>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
> always
>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
> much
>> higher frequencies.
>>
>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
> when
>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in
> an
>> > MSI motherboard.
>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
>> > motherboards.
>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion
> as
>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff
> was
>> >> 'the bees knees'?
>> >>
>> >> (more, I'd say!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tony. . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE
>> >> > DVD
>> >> was
>> >> > just a piece of cake.
>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> >> > drivers!!!
>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> >> > WTF?
>> >> > I tried every known recipe.
>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
>> >> > memory
>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> >> > No dice.
>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
> conductor
>> >> ones.
>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in
>> >> > my
>> >> > junk
>> >> > box and that was it.
>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> >> > :)
>> >> > Carlos
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

On 01/07/2008 in message
<C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:

>But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but
>only 40 pins at each end.
>
>Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an
>accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

Have faith :-)

The extra 40 wires are all connected to earth (ground for the Americans)
and in some magical way damp down spurious emissions thus allowing a
faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!

--
Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

I don't know, I've always thought the laws of electricity resembled female
'logic' (no offense, intended) in the way the both of them incorporate this
strange property called 'Potential', without which the universe wouldn't
work?

What were we to do without the Wiki's, here is one that 'might' help us
along:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment

it has nice pin-out tables to accompany the potentials and perhaps an
accountant could find some small relation somewhere in there? I'm not sure I
could - but I rather think it does look a bit 'help-like', doesn't it?


Tony. . .



"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Tony.
>
> But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but
> only 40 pins at each end.
>
> Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an
> accountant, I just have to believe. :^}
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA
on
> > a
> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it
doesn't
> > always do that, apparently.
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks
migrate
> > an
> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
> > always
> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
> > much
> >> higher frequencies.
> >>
> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
> > when
> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used
in
> > an
> >> > MSI motherboard.
> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on
ASUS
> >> > motherboards.
> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
> >> > Carlos
> >> >
> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare
occasion
> > as
> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that
stuff
> > was
> >> >> 'the bees knees'?
> >> >>
> >> >> (more, I'd say!)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Tony. . .
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,
IDE
> >> >> > DVD
> >> >> was
> >> >> > just a piece of cake.
> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
> >> >> > drivers!!!
> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> >> >> > WTF?
> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.
> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
> >> >> > memory
> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> >> >> > No dice.
> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
> > conductor
> >> >> ones.
> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > junk
> >> >> > box and that was it.
> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> >> >> > :)
> >> >> > Carlos
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Jeff.

> faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!

;^}

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0fs5r2wuzgm1e002@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On 01/07/2008 in message
> <C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:
>
>>But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but
>>only 40 pins at each end.
>>
>>Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an
>>accountant, I just have to believe. :^}
>
> Have faith :-)
>
> The extra 40 wires are all connected to earth (ground for the Americans)
> and in some magical way damp down spurious emissions thus allowing a
> faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
> It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to
> others.
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Tony.

Thanks for that link. I hope I find time to read it - slowly - soon. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:#Pl0Co12IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I don't know, I've always thought the laws of electricity resembled female
> 'logic' (no offense, intended) in the way the both of them incorporate
> this
> strange property called 'Potential', without which the universe wouldn't
> work?
>
> What were we to do without the Wiki's, here is one that 'might' help us
> along:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment
>
> it has nice pin-out tables to accompany the potentials and perhaps an
> accountant could find some small relation somewhere in there? I'm not sure
> I
> could - but I rather think it does look a bit 'help-like', doesn't it?
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Tony.
>>
>> But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but
>> only 40 pins at each end.
>>
>> Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an
>> accountant, I just have to believe. :^}
>>
>> RC
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA
> on
>> > a
>> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it
> doesn't
>> > always do that, apparently.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
>> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks
> migrate
>> > an
>> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
>> > always
>> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
>> > much
>> >> higher frequencies.
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
>> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
>> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
>> > when
>> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
>> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used
> in
>> > an
>> >> > MSI motherboard.
>> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on
> ASUS
>> >> > motherboards.
>> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
>> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
>> >> > Carlos
>> >> >
>> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare
> occasion
>> > as
>> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that
> stuff
>> > was
>> >> >> 'the bees knees'?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (more, I'd say!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tony. . .
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,
> IDE
>> >> >> > DVD
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> > just a piece of cake.
>> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> >> >> > drivers!!!
>> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> >> >> > WTF?
>> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.
>> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!),
>> >> >> > increase
>> >> >> > memory
>> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> >> >> > No dice.
>> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
>> > conductor
>> >> >> ones.
>> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > junk
>> >> >> > box and that was it.
>> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> >> >> > :)
>> >> >> > Carlos
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires
interspersed to ground the crosstalk.

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on
> a
> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't
> always do that, apparently.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate
> an
>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
> always
>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
> much
>> higher frequencies.
>>
>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
> when
>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in
> an
>> > MSI motherboard.
>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS
>> > motherboards.
>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion
> as
>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff
> was
>> >> 'the bees knees'?
>> >>
>> >> (more, I'd say!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tony. . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE
>> >> > DVD
>> >> was
>> >> > just a piece of cake.
>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> >> > drivers!!!
>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> >> > WTF?
>> >> > I tried every known recipe.
>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
>> >> > memory
>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> >> > No dice.
>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
> conductor
>> >> ones.
>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in
>> >> > my
>> >> > junk
>> >> > box and that was it.
>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> >> > :)
>> >> > Carlos
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

Yes, I do confess I really had not paid attention to that, but assumed
everybody was talking about the cabling (wires).

R.C. and the wiki both made me see the light. With the number of flat cables
lying about in drawers everywhere, it is not a mystery that a number of them
sooner or later happens to be installed where they shouldn't be. But I still
think that the fact that it will not run DMA should be a give-away. That is
like pulling the brakes on every operation.


Tony. . .



"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:90CD0517-23CD-460E-82C8-95BBD9202A94@microsoft.com...
> There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires
> interspersed to ground the crosstalk.
>
> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA
on
> > a
> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it
doesn't
> > always do that, apparently.
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks
migrate
> > an
> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
> > always
> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
> > much
> >> higher frequencies.
> >>
> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
> > when
> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used
in
> > an
> >> > MSI motherboard.
> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on
ASUS
> >> > motherboards.
> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
> >> > Carlos
> >> >
> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare
occasion
> > as
> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that
stuff
> > was
> >> >> 'the bees knees'?
> >> >>
> >> >> (more, I'd say!)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Tony. . .
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,
IDE
> >> >> > DVD
> >> >> was
> >> >> > just a piece of cake.
> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
> >> >> > drivers!!!
> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
> >> >> > WTF?
> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.
> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase
> >> >> > memory
> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
> >> >> > No dice.
> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
> > conductor
> >> >> ones.
> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > junk
> >> >> > box and that was it.
> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
> >> >> > :)
> >> >> > Carlos
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
 
Re: Another Vista install tip

I agree. It should tip off the interference, but if a naive user doesn't
know beans about hardware stuff then the symptom makes the user think it is
Vista because that is what he is interacting with. A common complaint is
that it is taking hours to try to copy something and it never completes
successfully.

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%23wXFLW92IHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Yes, I do confess I really had not paid attention to that, but assumed
> everybody was talking about the cabling (wires).
>
> R.C. and the wiki both made me see the light. With the number of flat
> cables
> lying about in drawers everywhere, it is not a mystery that a number of
> them
> sooner or later happens to be installed where they shouldn't be. But I
> still
> think that the fact that it will not run DMA should be a give-away. That
> is
> like pulling the brakes on every operation.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:90CD0517-23CD-460E-82C8-95BBD9202A94@microsoft.com...
>> There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires
>> interspersed to ground the crosstalk.
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA
> on
>> > a
>> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it
> doesn't
>> > always do that, apparently.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...
>> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks
> migrate
>> > an
>> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost
>> > always
>> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the
>> > much
>> >> higher frequencies.
>> >>
>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...
>> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...
>> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles
>> > when
>> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.
>> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used
> in
>> > an
>> >> > MSI motherboard.
>> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on
> ASUS
>> >> > motherboards.
>> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?
>> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.
>> >> > Carlos
>> >> >
>> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare
> occasion
>> > as
>> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that
> stuff
>> > was
>> >> >> 'the bees knees'?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (more, I'd say!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tony. . .
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.
>> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?
>> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.
>> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.
>> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,
> IDE
>> >> >> > DVD
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> > just a piece of cake.
>> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD
>> >> >> > drivers!!!
>> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?
>> >> >> > WTF?
>> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.
>> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!),
>> >> >> > increase
>> >> >> > memory
>> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.
>> >> >> > No dice.
>> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.
>> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80
>> > conductor
>> >> >> ones.
>> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > junk
>> >> >> > box and that was it.
>> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.
>> >> >> > :)
>> >> >> > Carlos
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
 
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