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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:22:57 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:46:31 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>It does some dangerous stuff, which is why I had to get them to fix where
>>they were deleting WMP files before. (They were using a dangerous string
>>comparison that caught files that shouldn't have been deleted.)
>>
>>It's interesting, but stuff like removing your back-up/uninstall files can
>>be short-sighted. It's a question of how much risk you're willing to take.

>
>No sense telling this crowd. They'll be fixing what their automated steam shovels destroy long after this thread dies.
>And there's no way to know exactly how much damage one of those things will do until after it's done the damage.


More of the same endless I know more than you do crap.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

Bruce;
That is typical of Adam.
He regularly attributes a quote to someone who has a differing view
and as usual, he ignores the request for the source as you see here.
It seems often refutes by creating his own misinformation when the
facts do not go where he wants.

His demand for facts fall flat in light of his own inability to give
facts to support his claims.

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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>> Myth: All Registry Cleaners simply run wild and delete things
>> without
>> asking first. Totally false!
>>

>
> No one has made any such claim. You're using the typical troll
> technique of setting up a straw man argument. Have you nothing
> better?
>
>> Truth: Every Registry Cleaner I've tried and I've tired over a
>> dozen, ALWAYS shows you a list of what it SUGGESTS you remove. Most
>> allow you to view the details of each key and allow YOU to
>> walk down the list and uncheck what you might not want to
>> clean. Some even rank what they suggest you remove so you
>> can avoid deleting keys you're not sure about.
>>

>
>
> And the average home PC user knows exactly how to tell which of
> these hundreds of suggestions are valid? This statement simply
> supports my contention that if one doesn't know enough to safely
> edit the registry manually, then one doesn't know enough to use a
> safely registry cleaner.
>
>
>> Myth: Since the Registry is just a text file, deleting a handful of
>> invalid keys has minimal effect on reducing the size of the
>> size
>> of the Registry thus no value is realized.
>>

>
> While I wouldn't call the registry a simple text file, nor do I know
> any competent technician who dows, this is essentially true. The
> removal of a few orphans registry entries will have miminal impact
> upon the sizer of the registry.
>
>
>> Truth: Just a few orphaned keys can REALLY slow down the system
>> because Windows will invest time trying to follow the
>> instructions that no longer point to any valid file. How
>> much impact this has on performance depends on WHAT kind of
>> junk is left behind. So even removing just a few invalid
>> keys while it has no impact on the size of the Registry can
>> have a major impact on how fast Windows loads and how
>> well the system runs.

>
> Again, not necessarily or even usually so. The registry is database
> of pointers to the locations of data and files. If there's no call
> for a specific application or driver, then the pointer (the orphaned
> registry key) won't be "read" and cannot therefore send the OS on a
> wild goose chase.
>
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:14:36 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Bruce;
>That is typical of Adam.
>He regularly attributes a quote to someone who has a differing view
>and as usual, he ignores the request for the source as you see here.
>It seems often refutes by creating his own misinformation when the
>facts do not go where he wants.
>

Just once, you think you can stop being the blowhard you always come
across as?

I'm sorry if it bugs guys when I expose them as the phonies their are.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.

Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
own character than those you need to insult.
Typical of your behavior.

You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can
not prove.
Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call
others.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:14:36 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> Just once, you think you can stop being the blowhard you always come
> across as?
>
> I'm sorry if it bugs guys when I expose them as the phonies their
> are.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:34 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.\


>Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
>own character than those you need to insult.
>Typical of your behavior.


Your typical behavior is to trumpet like a bull elephant every time
anybody dares to be critical of Microsoft. Why is that?
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

"Your typical behavior is to trumpet..."
That fits you as you continue your stalking.

However that is not the issue.
The issue is the statement you made that at least two do not believe.

Can you prove your statement or not?
Simple question you continue to avoid.
If you can, do so.
If not, your FALSE statements speak of your character.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:34 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> Your typical behavior is to trumpet like a bull elephant every time
> anybody dares to be critical of Microsoft. Why is that?
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard

> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.
>
> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
> own character than those you need to insult.
> Typical of your behavior.
>
> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can
> not prove.
> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call
> others.
>


But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner
and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use
one and appreciates the results.

I think most can agree that:

If a user is inexperienced or of limited knowledge of Windows, they
shouldn't dive into what they don't understand.

If a user is experienced and understands how to use a cleaner
effectively, while knowing the risks (and taking them into account),
they feel comfortable using the features a cleaner can offer.

I believe we're all one or the other. Users just need to be able to
admit which one they are.

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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

No dispute there.
What you say can apply to almost everything, not just computers.

However Adam seems to need to misquote to make his point.
That is what happens when myths are created for an agenda.

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"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a
> cleaner and trashes their system, there is another who understands
> how to use one and appreciates the results.
>
> I think most can agree that:
>
> If a user is inexperienced or of limited knowledge of Windows, they
> shouldn't dive into what they don't understand.
>
> If a user is experienced and understands how to use a cleaner
> effectively, while knowing the risks (and taking them into account),
> they feel comfortable using the features a cleaner can offer.
>
> I believe we're all one or the other. Users just need to be able to
> admit which one they are.
>
> --
> Terry R.
>
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:32:46 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>No dispute there.
>What you say can apply to almost everything, not just computers.
>
>However Adam seems to need to misquote to make his point.
>That is what happens when myths are created for an agenda.


Are you "stalking" me now?

I haven't misquoted anybody. I simply expose the lame arguments the
anti Registry Cleaner gang keeps making. The main one being they
pretend all Registry Cleaners have a big red flashing button everybody
is going to push without thinking that will automatically trash your
system.

I'm sorry if it is easy for me to make chop liver out of the claims
the usual gang makes. Try harder to present FACTS.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>
wrote:

>On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
>keyboard
>
>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.
>>
>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
>> own character than those you need to insult.
>> Typical of your behavior.
>>
>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can
>> not prove.
>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call
>> others.
>>

>
>But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner
>and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use
>one and appreciates the results.


Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They
always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit
quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them
pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the
trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with
their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.

Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box
either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On 7/11/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Adam Albright pounded out on the keyboard

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
>> keyboard
>>
>>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.
>>>
>>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
>>> own character than those you need to insult.
>>> Typical of your behavior.
>>>
>>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can
>>> not prove.
>>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call
>>> others.
>>>

>> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner
>> and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use
>> one and appreciates the results.

>
> Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They
> always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit
> quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them
> pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the
> trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with
> their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.
>
> Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box
> either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.
>


I think if you stick to your last statement, no one can argue with you,
with the key being, "when used wisely".

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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:22:23 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>
wrote:

>On 7/11/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Adam Albright pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
>>> keyboard
>>>
>>>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.
>>>>
>>>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you
>>>> own character than those you need to insult.
>>>> Typical of your behavior.
>>>>
>>>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can
>>>> not prove.
>>>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner
>>> and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use
>>> one and appreciates the results.

>>
>> Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They
>> always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit
>> quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them
>> pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the
>> trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with
>> their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.
>>
>> Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box
>> either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.
>>

>
>I think if you stick to your last statement, no one can argue with you,
>with the key being, "when used wisely".


The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
every thread.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>every thread.


As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista


In theory you'll gain increased performance when removing dead
registrations. That theory is counterbalanced against a 3rd party tool
trying to generically determine what is "safe" to delete/remove/edit.

Much like its deletion of file backups: you will certainly gain some amount
of disk space back, but what is the associated cost?

It's a nettlesome issue with no overwhelming verdicts either way. Just
realize that it's a potentially dangerous area, so treat it as a toy for
power users and use it with some level of thought.

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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>every thread.


As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY
someone should use a registry cleaner..
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>>every thread.

>
>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..


It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on
WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by
deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to
making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up
performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also
(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one
that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in
your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>>
>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>>>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>>>every thread.

>>
>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>
>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on
>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by
>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to
>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up
>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also
>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one
>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.
>
>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in
>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?


you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.
Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys. Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.
My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:09:37 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>>>>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>>>>every thread.
>>>
>>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>>
>>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on
>>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by
>>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to
>>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up
>>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also
>>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one
>>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.
>>
>>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in
>>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>
>you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.
>Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.


The FACT is you have no idea what anybody's Registry may contain in
the way of garbage. If the example you gave is factual it points to
you being reckless if you have 3,000 lines of clutter in your Registry
and somebody like you may actually benefit from using a Registry
Cleaner if you use it wisely.
>
>Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys.


How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,
but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause
issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's
contained in your Registry. You're the guy, not me, that keeps
throwing out some absurd 3,000 lines in a first scan.

>Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?


I believe and you just confirmed you don't know what you're talking
about. A very common problem is newsgroups like this.
>
>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.
>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.


Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do
with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in
the Registry is bogus or not.
>
>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.


More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that
here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep
doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you
really start to annoy me.
 
Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On 7/12/2007 11:09 AM On a whim, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid pounded out
on the keyboard

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>>>> "smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>>>> every thread.
>>> As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>> It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on
>> WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by
>> deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to
>> making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up
>> performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also
>> (though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one
>> that seems to hang for no apparent reason.
>>
>> A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in
>> your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>
> you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.
> Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.
>
> Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys. Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?
>
> Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.
> My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.
>
> registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.


"a bloated registry is a myth" WHAT? Care to provide a "fact" about that?

Okay, export 3000 lines of your registry and report back the size.

Your "Facts" of creating a 3000 line text file means nothing in relation
to a database.

"identify the problem and use the correct tool." That's exactly what a
registry cleaner is, a tool. If you aren't experienced enough to use
one, don't, by all means. But you'll never convince anyone who
successfully uses reg cleaners (by knowing how to use them), by your
text file comparisons.

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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:38:23 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:09:37 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are
>>>>>"smart" enough to do so. ;-) Which is of course what they do with
>>>>>every thread.
>>>>
>>>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..
>>>
>>>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on
>>>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by
>>>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to
>>>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up
>>>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also
>>>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one
>>>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.
>>>
>>>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in
>>>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>>
>>you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.
>>Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

>
>The FACT is you have no idea what anybody's Registry may contain in
>the way of garbage. If the example you gave is factual it points to
>you being reckless if you have 3,000 lines of clutter in your Registry
>and somebody like you may actually benefit from using a Registry
>Cleaner if you use it wisely.


3000 lines was OVERKILL. and it still comes nowhere near being classified bloat. It was 136 kb.

You can run one of these registry cleaners on a NEW install, and it'll come up with hundreds, maybe thousands of lines it says are useless. I normally see thousands of lines. I use this machine with hundreds of programs. And delete hundreds of useless programs. They all almost always leave garbage. Hardly anything to bother with. If every program left all it's trash, it still wouldn't be a big problem once the program is removed.


>>Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys.

>
>How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,
>but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause
>issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's

And I covered this. It's you that isn't listening. a FEW lines causing troubles would require a SPECIALIZED TOOL to identify the problem. Not something that grabs EVERYTHING it thinks is useless.

>contained in your Registry. You're the guy, not me, that keeps
>throwing out some absurd 3,000 lines in a first scan.
>
>>Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

>
>I believe and you just confirmed you don't know what you're talking
>about. A very common problem is newsgroups like this.
>>
>>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.
>>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

>
>Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do
>with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in
>the Registry is bogus or not.

covering both angles of this ridiculous discussion. Bloat.. 3000 keys is NOT bloat, and 3000 is an overkill guesstimate as to what most of these cleaners find.
And speed. 136 kb is not going to make a noticeable speed increase on any modern machine.
registry cleaners don't identify 1 or 2 bad keys, they go after hundreds, thousands of maybes. And get lucky.

>>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

>
>More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that
>here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep
>doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you
>really start to annoy me.


Why would you step thru thousands of entries to fix a problem ? That's the argument. Registry cleaners identify maybes. Then it's up to you to take a chainsaw to the registry with auto delete trusting this program knows what it's doing. Or waste a week single stepping thru hundreds, thousands of lines that's all guess work to find a problem that you still haven't pinpointed as to what caused it. I can't ever recall in 9 years ever tracking a problem down to a registry key that wasn't a virus or trojan.

Cleaner = clean your wallet.
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Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:49:10 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:


>>How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,
>>but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause
>>issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's

>And I covered this. It's you that isn't listening. a FEW lines causing troubles would require a SPECIALIZED TOOL to identify the problem. Not something that grabs EVERYTHING it thinks is useless.


Stop playing word games. Of course that is what everybody does after I
paint them into a corner. You don't need any "specialized" tools, a
Registry Cleaner is ALREADY that in that it will generate a detailed
list of what it finds suspect in your Registry. It is then up to the
user to determine what if anything you can safely delete. What you're
trying to get away with is you pretend to know in advance what is
wrong and can zero right in on a handful of Registry keys in the which
of course is pure baloney.

>>>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.
>>>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

>>
>>Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do
>>with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in
>>the Registry is bogus or not.

>covering both angles of this ridiculous discussion. Bloat.. 3000 keys is NOT bloat, and 3000 is an overkill guesstimate as to what most of these cleaners find.
>And speed. 136 kb is not going to make a noticeable speed increase on any modern machine.
>registry cleaners don't identify 1 or 2 bad keys, they go after hundreds, thousands of maybes. And get lucky.


What is obvious is you talk in circles. First you say it would takes
you "days" to go through your figure of 3,000 invalid keys then in the
next breath you say never mind, even if all those invalid keys remain
it doesn't matter. Has nothing to do with getting lucky and everything
about knowing what you're doing. You don't seem to know.
>
>>>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

>>
>>More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that
>>here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep
>>doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you
>>really start to annoy me.

>
>Why would you step thru thousands of entries to fix a problem ? That's the argument.


Only dopes that load up their system with hundreds of useless
applications then delete them could end up with thousands of invalid
keys. That seems to be what you're telling us you did. So who's the
really dummy?

I don't care how long the list is, if an item gets flagged I'll check
it out which is after all why I would buy a Registry Cleaner in the
first place. The reality is for MOST people aside from the usual junk
in anybody's Registry like I've already mentioned including weird time
zones and foreign keyboard references and assorted other junk nearly
everybody's list of invalid keys should be small and very manageable.
It is YOU, not me that's stuck on the absurd 3,000 figure you pulled
out of thin air in some feeble effort to try to bolster your
groundless argument.

>Registry cleaners identify maybes. Then it's up to you to take a chainsaw to the registry with auto delete trusting this program knows what it's doing. Or waste a week single stepping thru hundreds, thousands of lines that's all guess work to find a problem that you still haven't pinpointed as to what caused it. I can't ever recall in 9 years ever tracking a problem down to a registry key that wasn't a virus or trojan.
>
>Cleaner = clean your wallet.


All any tool does is SHOW you something POTENTIALLY wrong. You decide
how to act on what's found. Again you need to try to inject auto
delete which again only dopes would use. Take away auto delete and you
"argument" falls flat on it's face.

What I really like about having discussions in groups like these is I
can almost always point out the flimflam and outright deception in
what the other guy is claiming by beating them over the head with
actual facts. That's what I'm doing to you now if your realize it or
not.

The main reason I get involved in threads like this is I detest
phonies that hold a biased position, make stuff up then pretend that's
what everybody does.

Go back and read posts from anybody that's negative about Registry
Cleaners and you'll almost always see them pushing the same lie,
making reference to some auto delete key they need to pretend
everybody is going to push, otherwise they argument not to use any
Registry Cleaner gets defeated by logic.
 
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