FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

[Casey]

Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
I just got a d/l.
Casey

 

[MEB]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

In news:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.net at ,
Casey contemplated and posted:
| Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
| http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
| I just got a d/l.
| Casey

Here's what got fixed:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.15
Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two major
ones noted for the 3.0.version

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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[pixturesk@gmail.com]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

On Jul 2, 7:23 pm, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Innews:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.netat ,
> Casey contemplated and posted:
> | Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
> |http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
> | I just got a d/l.
> | Casey
>
> Here's what got fixed:http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#f...
> Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two major
> ones noted for the 3.0.version
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________

Just as IE6 SP1 is the last version which supports Win98SE, so will FF
2.0.0.15 or whatever further updates they offer. I protect my computer
with Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, Spyware Blaster, Sygate, CCleaner,
HiJack This, which will allow me to continue using FF 2 even when
Mozilla stops supporting it.

 

[Dan]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

Just remember to back up what you need to back up frequently as I learned
about losing data the hard way despite my precautions. <grin>

"pixturesk@gmail.com" wrote:

> On Jul 2, 7:23 pm, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Innews:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.netat ,
> > Casey contemplated and posted:
> > | Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
> > |http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
> > | I just got a d/l.
> > | Casey
> >
> > Here's what got fixed:http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#f...
> > Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two major
> > ones noted for the 3.0.version
> >
> > --
> > MEB
> > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> > --
> > _________
>
> Just as IE6 SP1 is the last version which supports Win98SE, so will FF
> 2.0.0.15 or whatever further updates they offer. I protect my computer
> with Avast, Super AntiSpyware Free, Spyware Blaster, Sygate, CCleaner,
> HiJack This, which will allow me to continue using FF 2 even when
> Mozilla stops supporting it.
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

In news:uUNGBtJ3IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl at ,
MEB contemplated and posted:
| In news:MPG.22d5a3f845ac1551989695@news.toast.net at ,
| Casey contemplated and posted:
|| Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
|| http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
|| I just got a d/l.
|| Casey
|
| Here's what got fixed:
|
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.15
| Looks like this has fixed several older issues as well as the two
| major ones noted for the 3.0.version
|
| --
| MEB


* * * *
SeaMonkey users should also note that the new fixed version is available:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ - SeaMonkey 1.1.10 - Released
July 2, 2008

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

 

[Bill Watt]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:41:32 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
wrote:

>
>Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
>http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
>I just got a d/l.
>Casey

This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:

Operating Systems

Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista

Nothing about Win 98 or SE.

I installed it on my XP Pro Notebook. This machine is Win98 SE and
the option came up anyway. Did not install, I'm using 2.0.0.14.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Win98 Computer Help & Other Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

 

[Angus Rodgers]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:08:10 -0400, Bill Watt <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:41:32 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Guess this will be the last FF for Win98.
>>http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
>>I just got a d/l.
>>Casey
>
>This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
>
>Operating Systems
>
>Windows 2000
>Windows XP
>Windows Server 2003
>Windows Vista
>
>Nothing about Win 98 or SE.

Where did you get that information? I'm not very awake yet, so I'm
sorry if I'm missing something obvious. I see (following the link
to "System Requirements" on the Web page referred to above):

<http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements-v2.html>

"Windows
Operating Systems

* Windows 98
* Windows 98 SE
[...]"

I installed the 2.0.0.15 update to Firefox while it was running on my
Win98SE system, in the usual way (i.e. online, rather than downloading
the full installer, although I did that later - unnecessary, but I was
neurotically worried about not being able to reinstall if necessary!),
and nothing untoward happened. The installer didn't complain, and the
updated installation of Firefox seems to be working fine.

>I installed it on my XP Pro Notebook. This machine is Win98 SE and
>the option came up anyway. Did not install, I'm using 2.0.0.14.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bill Watt
>Win98 Computer Help & Other Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril

 

[Casey]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

In article <mkbr641cfvj2ttnqbohg6h9r3gdmjlthk1@4ax.com>, nobwatt@ptd.net
says...
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:41:32 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
> wrote:
>

> This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
>
> Operating Systems
>
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> Windows Server 2003
> Windows Vista
>
> Nothing about Win 98 or SE.
>
>
Look at the right upper corner of the d/l site and find
System Requirements. There you will find:

Firefox 2 System Requirements
Windows
Operating Systems
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows ME
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista

 

[Bill Watt]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released


Reply at end.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:56:41 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
wrote:

>In article <mkbr641cfvj2ttnqbohg6h9r3gdmjlthk1@4ax.com>, nobwatt@ptd.net
>says...
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:41:32 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>> This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
>>
>> Operating Systems
>>
>> Windows 2000
>> Windows XP
>> Windows Server 2003
>> Windows Vista
>>
>> Nothing about Win 98 or SE.
>>
>>
>Look at the right upper corner of the d/l site and find
>System Requirements. There you will find:
>
>Firefox 2 System Requirements
>Windows
>Operating Systems
>Windows 98
>Windows 98 SE
>Windows ME
>Windows NT 4.0
>Windows 2000
>Windows XP
>Windows Server 2003
>Windows Vista

I went to Help, and selected Check for Updates.
It said Ver. 2.0.0.15 was available.
Then selected View More Info about this Update:
That took me here:
http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.15/releasenotes/

Then under downloading and installing I selected System
Requirements.
Saw this:
Operating Systems
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Vista

What I missed was it had taken me to Ver. 3, which was kind of
ghosted at the top of the page. Strange, the link says Ver.
2.0.0.15.

So, using Casey's link I got to the download page for 2.0.0.15 and
got the correct requirements.

Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for the correction, I'll install it
on my Win98 SE machine.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Win98 Computer Help & Other Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

 

[Dan]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

No Problem, Bill. It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
unsupported Firefox version, swtiching to Opera, using an old Internet
Explorer version officially unsupported since July 11, 2006. However, there
were some workarounds as to breaking Internet Explorer patches to use the
updated components for Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in 98SE and I even tried this
for a little while but it probably is not worth the time and effort and
potential dll problems. It really looks like the time is fast approaching
when the remaining 98(SE) on the Internet will continue to grow smaller and
smaller. Windows 98 really did have a good run and it is hard to believe
that it is a decade old and next year will be the 10 year anniversary for
Windows 98 Second Edition.

"Bill Watt" wrote:

>
> Reply at end.
>
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:56:41 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <mkbr641cfvj2ttnqbohg6h9r3gdmjlthk1@4ax.com>, nobwatt@ptd.net
> >says...
> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:41:32 -0500, Casey <Casey@notspecified.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> This is what the download says are the minimum requirements:
> >>
> >> Operating Systems
> >>
> >> Windows 2000
> >> Windows XP
> >> Windows Server 2003
> >> Windows Vista
> >>
> >> Nothing about Win 98 or SE.
> >>
> >>
> >Look at the right upper corner of the d/l site and find
> >System Requirements. There you will find:
> >
> >Firefox 2 System Requirements
> >Windows
> >Operating Systems
> >Windows 98
> >Windows 98 SE
> >Windows ME
> >Windows NT 4.0
> >Windows 2000
> >Windows XP
> >Windows Server 2003
> >Windows Vista
>
> I went to Help, and selected Check for Updates.
> It said Ver. 2.0.0.15 was available.
> Then selected View More Info about this Update:
> That took me here:
> http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.15/releasenotes/
>
> Then under downloading and installing I selected System
> Requirements.
> Saw this:
> Operating Systems
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> Windows Server 2003
> Windows Vista
>
> What I missed was it had taken me to Ver. 3, which was kind of
> ghosted at the top of the page. Strange, the link says Ver.
> 2.0.0.15.
>
> So, using Casey's link I got to the download page for 2.0.0.15 and
> got the correct requirements.
>
> Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for the correction, I'll install it
> on my Win98 SE machine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Watt
> Win98 Computer Help & Other Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
>
>

 

[Casey]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

In article <05D1E93E-06D7-4BEA-801D-019373077824@microsoft.com>,
Dan@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> No Problem, Bill. It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
> about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
> unsupported Firefox version, swtiching to Opera, using an old Internet
> Explorer version officially unsupported since July 11, 2006. However, there
> were some workarounds as to breaking Internet Explorer patches to use the
> updated components for Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in 98SE and I even tried this
> for a little while but it probably is not worth the time and effort and
> potential dll problems. It really looks like the time is fast approaching
> when the remaining 98(SE) on the Internet will continue to grow smaller and
> smaller. Windows 98 really did have a good run and it is hard to believe
> that it is a decade old and next year will be the 10 year anniversary for
> Windows 98 Second Edition.
>
I understand that in the future internet addressing will change
from IP4 (now used) to IP6. I read that XP w/sp and up supports
IP4 and IP6--Win98 doesn't. MS will not upgrade Win98 to IP6.
I would like to go to XP but MS stopped selling it July 1.

My son suggested putting a Router, supporting both IP4/6, in front
of Win98 might be a solution.
Casey

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

IPv4 will work just fine for your lifetime, or at least certainly beyond any possible use of Windows 98. Don't worry about it.

While the Feds had the goal of converting everything to IPv6 (everything meaning all of their own networks), by last week, that only meant the *ability* to handle IPv6, not that it had to be used, nor that IPv4 could not be used. In fact, IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist for a long time, and in the meantime, hardware and software will be prominently developed to handle both.

If you want to read about it, try this Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=ip4+ip6+transition

Or just accept this more simple explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6

"As of May 2008, IPv6 accounts for a minuscule fraction of the live addresses in the publicly-accessible Internet, which is still dominated by IPv4.[7]
"With the notable exceptions of stateless auto-configuration, more flexible addressing and Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND), many of the features of IPv6 have been ported to IPv4 in a more or less elegant manner. Thus IPv6 deployment is primarily driven by IPv4 address space exhaustion, which has been slowed by the introduction of classless inter-domain routing (CIDR) and the extensive use of network address translation (NAT)."

IPv4 exhaustion

Main article: IPv4 address exhaustion
Estimates as to when the pool of available IPv4 addresses will be exhausted vary widely. In 2003, Paul Wilson (director of APNIC) stated that, based on then-current rates of deployment, the available space would last until 2023.[8] In September 2005 a report by Cisco Systems, which is a network hardware manufacturer, reported that the pool of available addresses would be exhausted in as little as 4 to 5 years.[9] As of November 2007, a daily updated report projected that the IANA pool of unallocated addresses would be exhausted in May 2010, with the various Regional Internet Registries using up their allocations from IANA in April 2011. [10]

At the point at which the RIR and IANA pools are exhausted, while there would still be unused IPv4 addresses, the existing mechanisms for allocating those addresses would no longer be capable of being applied, and it is at the moment unclear as to what those mechanisms might be. Mechanisms that have been discussed for allocating IPv4 addresses beyond this point have included the reclamation of unused address space, re-engineering hosts and routers to allow the use of areas of the IPv4 address space which are currently unusable for technical reasons, and the creation of a market in IPv4 addresses."


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com


"Casey" <Casey@notspecified.net> wrote in message news:MPG.22dad3c01afdbe6989697@news.toast.net...
> In article <05D1E93E-06D7-4BEA-801D-019373077824@microsoft.com>,
> Dan@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>> No Problem, Bill. It looks like Firefox 2.x will be getting updates until
>> about the end of 2008 and then 98(SE) users will be left with using an
>> unsupported Firefox version, swtiching to Opera, using an old Internet
>> Explorer version officially unsupported since July 11, 2006. However, there
>> were some workarounds as to breaking Internet Explorer patches to use the
>> updated components for Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in 98SE and I even tried this
>> for a little while but it probably is not worth the time and effort and
>> potential dll problems. It really looks like the time is fast approaching
>> when the remaining 98(SE) on the Internet will continue to grow smaller and
>> smaller. Windows 98 really did have a good run and it is hard to believe
>> that it is a decade old and next year will be the 10 year anniversary for
>> Windows 98 Second Edition.
>>
> I understand that in the future internet addressing will change
> from IP4 (now used) to IP6. I read that XP w/sp and up supports
> IP4 and IP6--Win98 doesn't. MS will not upgrade Win98 to IP6.
> I would like to go to XP but MS stopped selling it July 1.
>
> My son suggested putting a Router, supporting both IP4/6, in front
> of Win98 might be a solution.
> Casey

 

[Casey]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

In article <e0YaWY73IHA.2524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, "Gary S. Terhune"
<none> says...
> IPv4 will work just fine for your lifetime, or at least certainly beyond any possible use of Windows 98. Don't worry about it.
>
> While the Feds had the goal of converting everything to IPv6 (everything meaning all of their own networks), by last week, that only meant the *ability* to handle IPv6, not that it had to be used, nor that IPv4 could not be used. In fact, IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist for a long time, and in the meantime, hardware and software will be prominently developed to handle both.
>
> If you want to read about it, try this Google search:
> http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=ip4+ip6+transition
>
> Or just accept this more simple explanation:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
>
> "As of May 2008, IPv6 accounts for a minuscule fraction of the live addresses in the publicly-accessible Internet, which is still dominated by IPv4.[7]
> "With the notable exceptions of stateless auto-configuration, more flexible addressing and Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND), many of the features of IPv6 have been ported to IPv4 in a more or less elegant manner. Thus IPv6 deployment is primarily driven by IPv4 address space exhaustion, which has been slowed by the introduction of classless inter-domain routing (CIDR) and the extensive use of network address translation (NAT)."
>
> IPv4 exhaustion
>
> Main article: IPv4 address exhaustion
> Estimates as to when the pool of available IPv4 addresses will be exhausted vary widely. In 2003, Paul Wilson (director of APNIC) stated that, based on then-current rates of deployment, the available space would last until 2023.[8] In September 2005 a report by Cisco Systems, which is a network hardware manufacturer, reported that the pool of available addresses would be exhausted in as little as 4 to 5 years.[9] As of November 2007, a daily updated report projected
that the IANA pool of unallocated addresses would be exhausted in May 2010, with the various Regional Internet Registries using up their allocations from IANA in April 2011. [10]
>
> At the point at which the RIR and IANA pools are exhausted, while there would still be unused IPv4 addresses, the existing mechanisms for allocating those addresses would no longer be capable of being applied, and it is at the moment unclear as to what those mechanisms might be. Mechanisms that have been discussed for allocating IPv4 addresses beyond this point have included the reclamation of unused address space, re-engineering hosts and routers to allow the use of
areas of the IPv4 address space which are currently unusable for technical reasons, and the creation of a market in IPv4 addresses."
>
>
Thank you Gary. That was quite informative.
Casey

 

[Dan]

Re: FireFox 2.0.0.15 released

<snip>

Indeed, Gary S. Terhune is very knowledgable. He has helped me numerous
times over the years and to that I can give him great thanks and I am so glad
that he continues to post and monitor the windows 98 general newsgroup.