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PA Bear [MS MVP]
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Re: win security center
[Crossposted to Windows Update newsgroup]
> Dell Dimension 2300 / Pent 4 / WinXP-SP2 / IE 7 / Office 2000 / AVG
> 8(Free)
> / Windows Firewall / SpybotS&D / AdAware / HJT / AOL 9 Security Edition S
> E
1. Since AOL 9.0 Security Edition includes McAfee VirusScan (and possibly
the McAfee firewall), so you do NOT want AVG Free AV installed (and you
don't want the Windows Firewall enabled if the AOL/McAfee suite includes its
own firewall). Please take the necessary steps/make the necessary
corrections before proceeding below.
2. Now open Security Center and tell me the reported status for (a) the
anti-virus; (b) the firewall; and (c) Automatic Updates. (The first 2
should show ON in green; the last should show CHECK SETTINGS in yellow since
"Notify Only" is selected).
If Security Center is not monitoring the status of anti-virus and/or
firewall, correct this via "Change the way Security Center alerts me" in
left pane.
3a. Now read this KB article:
How to read the WindowsUpdate.log file
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093
3b. Now open WindowsUpdate.log (not Windows_Update.log, if found), scroll to
the very bottom, then start scrolling upwards and examining the log for
errors (including error numbers) that may be associated with the update you
chose to download but which hasn't (yet). Tell me what you find (especially
if you find "Update is not allowed to download due to regulation").
--
~PA Bear
vwdrv1 wrote:
> Pa Bear....Here's the info about my system......It is included in my
> 'signature' on this forum.....I have no idea why it's not being included
> in
> my posts since it does appear on the "Post a question" screen and the
> "Reply" screen (that I'm filling out right now for
> example)....Anyway--I'll
> copy it into here to be sure......
>
> Dell Dimension 2300 / Pent 4 / WinXP-SP2 / IE 7 / Office 2000 / AVG
> 8(Free)
> / Windows Firewall / SpybotS&D / AdAware / HJT / AOL 9 Security Edition S
> E
>
> I don't know if "Auto Updates" has ever worked correctly since I haven't
> used it before....As I mentioned, I've always used the Windows Update (v6)
> site which requires a fresh scan each time etc......
>
> I have Auto Updates set to "Notify" me---only.....Correct---No auto d/l or
> install....
>
> Taking your example of the 3 available updates and I choose only
> one.....Here's what I did-----(1)---I unchecked the 2 I didn't want (that
> left the 1 checked that I did want......(2)---I clicked on
> "Download"....(3)---A screen saying---"Hide Updates / Updates that aren't
> selected wil not be downloaded....box to check or not---Don't notify me
> about these updates again / Ok (vs) Cancel".....(4) If I click
> "Cancel"--that little "Hide Updates" screen disappears and nothing
> happens.....(5)---If I click "Ok"---
> --that little "Hide Updates" screen disappears....On this---When I hover
> the
> mouse over the Gold Shield in the Sys Tray it says something
> like--"Downloading update--0%".....That 0% stays----forever......On a 2
> minute d/l for example---I let it do whatever it was doing for a good half
> hour and it remained at 0%....
>
> I tried this for 2 different updates and each time was the same.....
>
> As you can see I use AVG....But---your mention of McAfee rings a bell
> because of my being on AOL.....AOL offers McAfee.......Parts of AOL's
> security package were mandatory while others were optional.... I've always
> accepted only the parts that were "mandatory" etc.....Recently AOL
> changed
> the way they handle their security package and issued a (nagging) daily
> reminder to update....When I finally allowed the update, I realized it
> wasn't just a minor update but an all new McAfee package....Even though I
> didn't allow the d/l of the new package, I'm not sure if some part of
> McAfee isn't already in the system as part of the AOL package.....
>
> Hopefully, I've clarified this.....Thanks so much for all your time to
> help
> me....
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> I'm not sure I understand the problem.
>>
>> Please state your Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3). Has Automatic
>> Updates
>> ever worked properly?
>>
>> I assume Automatic Updates is set to the Notify Only option (no updates
>> are
>> downloaded or installed without your approval). If that's not correct,
>> STOP HERE and tell me what the setting is.
>>
>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>
>> Let's say Automatic Updates offers three (3) updates. You approve one
>> (1)
>> to download and choose to Hide the other two (2). Does the one you
>> approved ever download and prompt you to install it? If so, does it
>> install successfully?
>>
>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
>> firewall
>> (if any)?
>>
>> Was a Norton or McAfee application ever installed on the machine?
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> vwdrv1 wrote:
>>> I can get updates without any problem when I use the "windows update"
>>> (update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us).....In
>>> fact,
>>> that's what I've always used....But, because that requires scanning for
>>> needed updates each time, I thought I would try the "automatic
>>> updates".....
>>>
>>> I've never had to do any re-install or repair etc so I'm not quite sure
>>> how
>>> that info applies.....
>>>
>>>> CrystalBall© sez...
>>>>
>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>> Microsoft
>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>> installation:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>
>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>> installs.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Update-specific newsgroup:
>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate
>>>>
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>>
>>>> vwdrv1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi All---I have win sec center set to notify only...When I click on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Gold
>>>>> Shield in the Sys Tray, it brings up "Automatic Updates / Choose
>>>>> updates
>>>>> to d/l"
>>>>>
>>>>> When I select an update to d/l and install (unchecking the ones I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> want), I click "Download"......I get a pop-up titled "Hide Updates"
>>>>> with
>>>>> a
>>>>> choice of "OK" or "Cancel"...If I click OK, nothing
>>>>> happens.....Hovering
>>>>> the mouse over the gold shield in the sys tray says the d/l is @
>>>>> 0%.....It
>>>>> remains @0%.....
>>>>>
>>>>> If I bring up the "Choose Updates to d/l" screen again, all are still
>>>>> there except the one I had chosen to d/l.....
[Crossposted to Windows Update newsgroup]
> Dell Dimension 2300 / Pent 4 / WinXP-SP2 / IE 7 / Office 2000 / AVG
> 8(Free)
> / Windows Firewall / SpybotS&D / AdAware / HJT / AOL 9 Security Edition S
> E
1. Since AOL 9.0 Security Edition includes McAfee VirusScan (and possibly
the McAfee firewall), so you do NOT want AVG Free AV installed (and you
don't want the Windows Firewall enabled if the AOL/McAfee suite includes its
own firewall). Please take the necessary steps/make the necessary
corrections before proceeding below.
2. Now open Security Center and tell me the reported status for (a) the
anti-virus; (b) the firewall; and (c) Automatic Updates. (The first 2
should show ON in green; the last should show CHECK SETTINGS in yellow since
"Notify Only" is selected).
If Security Center is not monitoring the status of anti-virus and/or
firewall, correct this via "Change the way Security Center alerts me" in
left pane.
3a. Now read this KB article:
How to read the WindowsUpdate.log file
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093
3b. Now open WindowsUpdate.log (not Windows_Update.log, if found), scroll to
the very bottom, then start scrolling upwards and examining the log for
errors (including error numbers) that may be associated with the update you
chose to download but which hasn't (yet). Tell me what you find (especially
if you find "Update is not allowed to download due to regulation").
--
~PA Bear
vwdrv1 wrote:
> Pa Bear....Here's the info about my system......It is included in my
> 'signature' on this forum.....I have no idea why it's not being included
> in
> my posts since it does appear on the "Post a question" screen and the
> "Reply" screen (that I'm filling out right now for
> example)....Anyway--I'll
> copy it into here to be sure......
>
> Dell Dimension 2300 / Pent 4 / WinXP-SP2 / IE 7 / Office 2000 / AVG
> 8(Free)
> / Windows Firewall / SpybotS&D / AdAware / HJT / AOL 9 Security Edition S
> E
>
> I don't know if "Auto Updates" has ever worked correctly since I haven't
> used it before....As I mentioned, I've always used the Windows Update (v6)
> site which requires a fresh scan each time etc......
>
> I have Auto Updates set to "Notify" me---only.....Correct---No auto d/l or
> install....
>
> Taking your example of the 3 available updates and I choose only
> one.....Here's what I did-----(1)---I unchecked the 2 I didn't want (that
> left the 1 checked that I did want......(2)---I clicked on
> "Download"....(3)---A screen saying---"Hide Updates / Updates that aren't
> selected wil not be downloaded....box to check or not---Don't notify me
> about these updates again / Ok (vs) Cancel".....(4) If I click
> "Cancel"--that little "Hide Updates" screen disappears and nothing
> happens.....(5)---If I click "Ok"---
> --that little "Hide Updates" screen disappears....On this---When I hover
> the
> mouse over the Gold Shield in the Sys Tray it says something
> like--"Downloading update--0%".....That 0% stays----forever......On a 2
> minute d/l for example---I let it do whatever it was doing for a good half
> hour and it remained at 0%....
>
> I tried this for 2 different updates and each time was the same.....
>
> As you can see I use AVG....But---your mention of McAfee rings a bell
> because of my being on AOL.....AOL offers McAfee.......Parts of AOL's
> security package were mandatory while others were optional.... I've always
> accepted only the parts that were "mandatory" etc.....Recently AOL
> changed
> the way they handle their security package and issued a (nagging) daily
> reminder to update....When I finally allowed the update, I realized it
> wasn't just a minor update but an all new McAfee package....Even though I
> didn't allow the d/l of the new package, I'm not sure if some part of
> McAfee isn't already in the system as part of the AOL package.....
>
> Hopefully, I've clarified this.....Thanks so much for all your time to
> help
> me....
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> I'm not sure I understand the problem.
>>
>> Please state your Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3). Has Automatic
>> Updates
>> ever worked properly?
>>
>> I assume Automatic Updates is set to the Notify Only option (no updates
>> are
>> downloaded or installed without your approval). If that's not correct,
>> STOP HERE and tell me what the setting is.
>>
>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>
>> Let's say Automatic Updates offers three (3) updates. You approve one
>> (1)
>> to download and choose to Hide the other two (2). Does the one you
>> approved ever download and prompt you to install it? If so, does it
>> install successfully?
>>
>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party
>> firewall
>> (if any)?
>>
>> Was a Norton or McAfee application ever installed on the machine?
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> vwdrv1 wrote:
>>> I can get updates without any problem when I use the "windows update"
>>> (update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us).....In
>>> fact,
>>> that's what I've always used....But, because that requires scanning for
>>> needed updates each time, I thought I would try the "automatic
>>> updates".....
>>>
>>> I've never had to do any re-install or repair etc so I'm not quite sure
>>> how
>>> that info applies.....
>>>
>>>> CrystalBall© sez...
>>>>
>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>> Microsoft
>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>> installation:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>
>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>> installs.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Update-specific newsgroup:
>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate
>>>>
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>>
>>>> vwdrv1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi All---I have win sec center set to notify only...When I click on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Gold
>>>>> Shield in the Sys Tray, it brings up "Automatic Updates / Choose
>>>>> updates
>>>>> to d/l"
>>>>>
>>>>> When I select an update to d/l and install (unchecking the ones I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> want), I click "Download"......I get a pop-up titled "Hide Updates"
>>>>> with
>>>>> a
>>>>> choice of "OK" or "Cancel"...If I click OK, nothing
>>>>> happens.....Hovering
>>>>> the mouse over the gold shield in the sys tray says the d/l is @
>>>>> 0%.....It
>>>>> remains @0%.....
>>>>>
>>>>> If I bring up the "Choose Updates to d/l" screen again, all are still
>>>>> there except the one I had chosen to d/l.....