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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
> Linux is free.
> Linux applications are free.
>
> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
> desktop market?
>

Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.

Cheers

Ian
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of
>> the desktop market?
>>
> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.

Don't expect any truth from Moshe AKA flatfish. His only purpose in this
forum is to disrupt reasonable posts by spouting his lies and insulting
forum participants.

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

W3Schools has Linux hits at 3.6%. 42% of hits are from US, which is
heavily invested in Microsoft Windows, skewing numbers. Measure of
Internet usage can be sometimes useful in indicating trends, but usage of
Internet hits is not accurate. In other parts of the world, unlimited
or extended usage of Internet is not practical due to lack of
affordability of telecommunication services.

Current market share methodologies do not reflect installed base.

--
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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:08:24 +0100, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>> desktop market?
>>
>
> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian

Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded machines
in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.

Why would that happen if Linux is so great?

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Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>> Linux is free.
>> Linux applications are free.
>>
>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of
>> the desktop market?
>
>Depends on your definition of 'market'

Quit feeding the mentally-ill flatfish troll. It's been asking the same
asinine question for YEARS, and it knows very well the answers, even
answering the question himself, recently.
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:06:24 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

>> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
>> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
>> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
[...]
> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded
> machines in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>
> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?


Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.

In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's better.
Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.



-Thufir
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On 2008-07-09, thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:06:24 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
>>> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
>>> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
> [...]
>> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded
>> machines in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>>
>> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?
>
>
> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>
> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's better.
> Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.

....better yet.

Let's contemplate MS-DOS 5 vs. the original Macintosh.

All the 68K machines blew away kludge clones in any technical criteria.

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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

"thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> stated in post
p29dk.60506$kx.9105@pd7urf3no on 7/9/08 1:18 PM:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:06:24 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
>>> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
>>> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
> [...]
>> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded
>> machines in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>>
>> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?
>
>
> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.

I am not disagreeing - bit what do you think Linux offers over other common
alternatives ... other than price?
>
> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's better.
> Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.
>
>
>
> -Thufir



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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

In article <p29dk.60506$kx.9105@pd7urf3no>, thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:06:24 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
>>> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
>>> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
>[...]
>> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded
>> machines in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>>
>> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?
>Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>
>In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's better.
>Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.

Easy. Marketing. The classic triumph of form over substance :)
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:25:53 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:

>> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's
>> better. Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.
>
> ...better yet.
>
> Let's contemplate MS-DOS 5 vs. the original Macintosh.
>
> All the 68K machines blew away kludge clones in any technical criteria.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok :)

You're comparing hardware to hardware, or OS?



-Thufir
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:32:43 -0700, Snit wrote:

>> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>
> I am not disagreeing - bit what do you think Linux offers over other
> common alternatives ... other than price?


You're not agreeing, either. That is, your nuanced response confirms
where you're coming from. From previous threads I know that you're mac
head and either have no integrity or lack normal comprhension ability.

Mac's are fine, but this begs the question of why a mac head trolls a
Linux group.

What, do you really need a list? Even with such a list, all you would
reply with would be to babble on about how your students can't figure out
how to open a folder.



-Thufir
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

"thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> stated in post
rtddk.88260$gc5.84827@pd7urf2no on 7/9/08 6:20 PM:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:32:43 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>>
>> I am not disagreeing - bit what do you think Linux offers over other
>> common alternatives ... other than price?
>
> You're not agreeing, either.

Damn, you are quick! I am asking a question - and since so many people in
COLA draw silly conclusions and insist anyone who questions Linux must be
against it I figured I would clarify so only the most extreme morons would
not get it.

And, looking below, you do not.

What you do is spout of about the Mac... which is not even on topic (the
topic is *Linux*, do you not get that?) and then you openly lie about my
students (ah, you are obsessing over my professional life).

Then you wonder why you are not able to understand my other comments - you ,
someone who is completely unable to understand what you read.

> That is, your nuanced response confirms where you're coming from. From
> previous threads I know that you're mac head and either have no integrity or
> lack normal comprhension ability.
>
> Mac's are fine, but this begs the question of why a mac head trolls a
> Linux group.
>
> What, do you really need a list?

Need? What the heck are you talking about?

> Even with such a list, all you would reply with would be to babble on about
> how your students can't figure out how to open a folder.

Please do not lie about me or my students. Thanks!

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never a reason." - Bill Gates
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

"thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> stated in post
1jddk.67155$Jx.46253@pd7urf1no on 7/9/08 6:09 PM:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:25:53 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>>> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's
>>> better. Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.
>>
>> ...better yet.
>>
>> Let's contemplate MS-DOS 5 vs. the original Macintosh.
>>
>> All the 68K machines blew away kludge clones in any technical criteria.
>
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok :)

At least this time you recognize you have no idea.

That is a *huge* step up for you.

> You're comparing hardware to hardware, or OS?





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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:32:43 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>>
>> I am not disagreeing - bit what do you think Linux offers over other
>> common alternatives ... other than price?
>
>
> You're not agreeing, either. That is, your nuanced response confirms
> where you're coming from. From previous threads I know that you're mac
> head and either have no integrity or lack normal comprhension ability.
>
> Mac's are fine, but this begs the question of why a mac head trolls a
> Linux group.
>
> What, do you really need a list? Even with such a list, all you would
> reply with would be to babble on about how your students can't figure out
> how to open a folder.
>
>
>
> -Thufir

You seem determined not to answer the question. I guess you are an
"advocate" rather than an advocate.
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

"Hadron" <hadronquark@googlemail.com> stated in post
g54e6h$tjs$1@registered.motzarella.org on 7/10/08 12:36 AM:

> thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:32:43 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> Linux is great, it's the better mousetrap.
>>>
>>> I am not disagreeing - bit what do you think Linux offers over other
>>> common alternatives ... other than price?
>>
>>
>> You're not agreeing, either. That is, your nuanced response confirms
>> where you're coming from. From previous threads I know that you're mac
>> head and either have no integrity or lack normal comprhension ability.
>>
>> Mac's are fine, but this begs the question of why a mac head trolls a
>> Linux group.
>>
>> What, do you really need a list? Even with such a list, all you would
>> reply with would be to babble on about how your students can't figure out
>> how to open a folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Thufir
>
> You seem determined not to answer the question. I guess you are an
> "advocate" rather than an advocate.

He babbled about Mac (Macs! What? Not even a part of the subject!) and
then lies about my students.


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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Andrew Halliwell wrote:
> Ian Thompson-Bell <ruffrecords@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded machines
>>> in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>>>
>> Where is this reported?
>>
>>> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?
>>>
>> You obviously never heard of Yellow Dog Linux.
>
> Think you man red flag linux.
> Yellowdog's the one for PowerPC, isn't it?

Quite possibly. Linux is so widespread now it is difficult to keep track ;-)

CHeers

Ian
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:39:51 +0100, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:08:24 +0100, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> Linux has been around for 15+ years.
>>>> Linux is free.
>>>> Linux applications are free.
>>>>
>>>> So, the question is why is Linux still sitting at below 1 percent of the
>>>> desktop market?
>>>>
>>> Depends on your definition of 'market'. Most of these surveys consider
>>> only the US and Northern Europe. If you were to include South America,
>>> China and Africa I think you would find the figure is much higher.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ian
>>
>> Well it's been reported already that inexpensive Linux preloaded machines
>> in China are quickly converted to Windows XP machines.
>>
>
> Where is this reported?

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39168398,00.htm

" In emerging markets, where desktop Linux enjoys wider popularity, the
trend is even starker. Around 80 percent of the time, Linux will be removed
for a pirated copy of Windows. Pirated copies sell for around $1 in the
streets of Shanghai and other cities in Asia and Eastern Europe, but can
also be bought in stores selling brand name PCs."

Amongst other places....


>> Why would that happen if Linux is so great?
>>
>
> You obviously never heard of Yellow Dog Linux.

Evidently neither have you.

Yellow Dog Linux is used to run Linux on a Mac....



> Cheers
>
> Ian

This is like shooting humans in a barrel.....


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

And just this afternoon another amusing ditty - perhaps explaining why
the windows lobby are a little quieter than usual:

"Many customers may be experiencing issues connecting to the internet. We
believe this is due to a recent Windows update which can conflict with
some security software. Customers unable to browse the internet should
try disabling their firewall and antivirus software temporarily."


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I've replaced my 'old joke' signature because a better man than me told
me to ;-)
 
Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

On 2008-07-10, thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:25:53 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>>> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's
>>> better. Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.
>>
>> ...better yet.
>>
>> Let's contemplate MS-DOS 5 vs. the original Macintosh.
>>
>> All the 68K machines blew away kludge clones in any technical criteria.
>
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok :)
>
> You're comparing hardware to hardware, or OS?

Both.

Not having a flat memory space was such a drag once I finally
got around to getting a kludge clone. I am still holding a
grudge over the manual memory management shenanigans of WinDOS.

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JEDIDIAH
<jedi@nomad.mishnet>
wrote
on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:02 -0500
<slrng7cst2.psq.jedi@nomad.mishnet>:
> On 2008-07-10, thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:25:53 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>>> In a utopia, sure, Linux would be the dominant OS *because* it's
>>>> better. Instead, ask *why* an inferior OS is dominant.
>>>
>>> ...better yet.
>>>
>>> Let's contemplate MS-DOS 5 vs. the original Macintosh.
>>>
>>> All the 68K machines blew away kludge clones in any technical criteria.
>>
>>
>> I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok :)

Motorola chip series -- 68000, 68010, 68020, 68030, etc.
Popular in the Mac, Amiga, and Atari.

>>
>> You're comparing hardware to hardware, or OS?
>
> Both.
>
> Not having a flat memory space was such a drag once I finally
> got around to getting a kludge clone. I am still holding a
> grudge over the manual memory management shenanigans of WinDOS.
>

And they are still there. An old game of mine -- Delta-V
-- needs over *600K* of conventional RAM to start.
Win95 can't run it. Even FreeDOS has problems; it will
load and play the first few "runs" [+] in QEMU, but
universally crashes on one particular such, presumably
because it runs out of conventional RAM.

The registers are instructive; while the 68000 wasn't
perfect (it had 8 D and 8 A registers [*], so wasn't
perfectly orthogonal, at least at the beginning; I don't
know if one can use MOV.L 8(D4),A7 now, for example),
it was far better than the kludgy 8080-compatible crap
(AX, BX, CX, DX, SI, DI, BP, PC) the 8086 had.

To its credit later versions of the 80x86 series now
allow addressing modes such as [EAX], and a 32-bit (4GB)
generally flat address space (one still has to set up
the segment registers).

[*] two of the A registers (A6=SP, A7=PC) are dedicated.
D0, like the 8086's AX or EAX, by convention was used
for function returns.

[+] the game is basically a primitive first-person
shoot-em-up where one is expected to fly in a trench;
the "framing story" of "netrunners" is mildly
interesting if rather silly.

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It's a question of when.
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Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

Bruce Sinclair wrote:

> Easy. Marketing. The classic triumph of form over substance :)
Easy, but wrong!

The very reason is continuity. Microsoft *new* it like no other to KEEP
their customers from DOS3.0 to Windows XP.

The double path Windows 95 and NT was absolutely brilliant!

Where others jeopardized their customers confidence with excessive
hardware requirements or insufficient compatibility with legacy
applications.

Windows made the decision and reached effortless the critical mass.

Now Microsoft seems to have forgotten with Vista this wise strategy.

....and Linux begins to be able to handle correctly most of the
applications of it's competitor, providing an acceptable level of user
friendliness.

The challenge now is to keep up, just that!
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