Re: FIX for ZoneAlarm & KB951748 issue released
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:20:01 -0700, Stinger
<Stinger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>Simply amazing to me how many of you responders hold such a cavalier
>attitude toward security. I challenge any of you to publicly post a static
>IP address available you can monitor, turn on that wonderful Windows firewall
>(since that's all you believe is needed) and sit back for a few days and
>watch what happens.
So - what's going to happen? Please enlighten us.
>You'll soon discover how vital a security becomes in
>your computer world.
I don't recall anyone claiming security isn't important.
>Do it the right way, like MOST consumers do without the
>aid of any router or other bandwidth protectors.
>
>Firewalls are mostly hype and snake oil. Thanks for that little chuckle.
Do you have any technical arguments to prove otherwise, or are you
just babbling?
>You don't mind if I share that statement with others in the real world
>outside of the protection of this forum?
Feel free.
>Sure, most computer users are small fish in a big see but not all of us..
>..obviously. I for one would rather be safe with my firewall protection
>than to take the word of someone that discounts security as easliy as the
>like of this group.
No one here forces you to stop using pseudo-security software.
>Oh and let's be real honest about something here. Internet Explorer is
>"bundled" with Windows, has been for a long time.
Really? - I guess that comes as a major chock to all of us...
>Windows is also the most common OS in the world.
It is? - You continue to surprise...
>But IE is nothing more than a GUI for viewing web
>pages.
Well... it's also an ActiveX rich web client if you ask me.
>Saying the DNS problem wasn't related to Windows (did you really say
>that??) is laughable.
I don't honestly think you understood what he said.
>Perhaps a better understanding of the actual DNS issue
>should be on your todo list. And on top of all that even implying a firewall
>isn't involved in this DNS issue is blasphemy.
Blasphemy? - Holy sh...
>What conduit is being used for this communication between your computer and web pages if it's not via
>ports? I'll quote a single line explaining part of the DNS process for those
>reading this that are tired of being directed to web sites --> "If the
>records are not stored locally, your computer queries (or contacts) your
>ISP's recursive DNS servers." Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand
>the Windows operating system does indeed have a major stake in this DNS
>problem.
Do you even understand the problem?
>If you still are riding on the boat down the river of denial, ask
>yourself one question.... Why was the patch even produced by MS if there
>wasn't a "problem" with the OS, hmm?
>
>Yea, firewalls are all hype and snake oil. That's an instant classic!
>
>You folks need to get out of the Microsoft world and step intto the real
>world every once in a while or you're limiting yourself.
It's hard to avoid MS products also in the real world ;-)
BTW, what you provided here lacks any technical arguments which makes
you sound more like a salesman than anything else. So what security
software company do you represent?