Windows Vista Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

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#1 Constant blue screens: Why is it that I get blue screens stemming from
my video card drivers, and check for a solution only to find that the issue
was supposedly fixed in SP1?!!!!

#2 Freezing: I'm getting Windows Vista freezing (sporadically, 30 second
lockups) after your last update?

#3 Booting: Why is it that I freeze 1/3 of the time I boot up my PC?

#4 Data Execution Prevention: I downloaded a piece of software from Steam
(Valve's product for gaming), and not ONLY does Steam get blocked by DEP even
though I've already told the O/S that the app is fine, but I can't run my
game as well?!!!!

#5 Security: I recently downloaded your "One Care" nonsense; there was a
day where I WOULD NOT remove a detected virus no matter how many times I told
it to. And why does it seem that my PC has become marginally slower since
I've downloaded your "One Care" nonsense?

#6 Hardware compat.: Since my PC shipped from the Dell factory, I've had
nothing but problems finding drivers and certain pieces of software that I'd
like to run with Windows Vista. You lure us in with DX10, but why is it that
my dxdiag (even though I've updated vid card, dx, and o/s) STILL say I'm
running 3 gigs RAM when the PC shipped with 4 gigs?!

FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS. Please fix it. Sooner would be better
than later. Oh and this is not a COMPLETE listing of every problem I've had
with Windows Vista. I can't keep a stable network connection to the other
WINDOWS VISTA!!!! PC in my house which I use to print from. You really make
file sharing a total maze!

I can just keep coming up with reasons why you should fix this jacked up
O/S, and you know and I know I'm not the only one. I HAVE YET to meet a
person who knows more than "email-internet-word" to say your O/S is good.
NOT EVEN ONE of my Vista clients at my last job were happy; none of my former
larger corporate clients were willing to cut over to it. I'm going to see
about obtaining a copy of XP (hopefully it's still available somewhere) and
VOIDING MY DELL WARRANTY just to get rid of this chaos that you call an O/S.
After working for a dell reseller for a year and a half, for me to actually
WANT to void my warranty is like committing PC murder, especially for a
heavily used gaming PC; but I just can't take it anymore. After a small
incident with the HD, I KNOW ALL MY HARDWARE IS GOOD.

Myself and Dell have spent countless hours on the phone for other Vista
users. I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has
given me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).
Once again Bill, don't think I'm the only one. Get your team in gear. Fix
your product. Leave XP alone UNTIL you fix your product. In a parody on the
words of my USMC drill instructor, "William Gates, the command was 'make a
next-generation O/S.' Correct yourself!"
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

"AWilliams@Techneto" <awilliams@techneto.com> wrote in message
news:14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com...
>
> #6 Hardware compat.: Since my PC shipped from the Dell factory,


idiot. contact DELL for why your DELL is a load of s#&t
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

On Jul 14, 7:19 am, "Gordon" <gordonbpar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> "AWilliams@Techneto" <awilli...@techneto.com> wrote in message
>
> news:14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com...
>
>
>
> > #6 Hardware compat.:  Since my PC shipped from the Dell factory,

>
> idiot. contact DELL for why your DELL is a load of s#&t


Don't call someone a idiot. It never seem to surprise me as to how
certain people are so brave behind a computer , though they wouldn't
never say such in person . With that being said , THAT MAKE YOU A
CLOWN .
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

In article <14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com>,
awilliams@techneto.com says...
> I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has
> given me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).


Your problems seem to indicate that your computer didn't ship with Vista
from Dell or that your computer is not compatible with Vista, it's not a
Microsoft problem.

If you're going to rant like you did, maybe a Mac is a good choice for
you - less options, less choices for hardware, etc....

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Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

Vista is not perfect and I am not going to make excuses or try to say it
is, however the problems you have could be caused by several things.

You must have the right Video drivers and have installed them correctly.
They WILL cause blue screens that look like something else. Find the
correct drivers from you video card maker's website - download them do
NOT run from the website. Reboot - uninstall the old drivers and do
nothing else, reboot again and install the new drivers from your (now)
local copy of the archive.

Same thing with motherboard drivers, although I have not found it
necessary to uninstall the old ones first.

Test your RAM. If you have added some yourself that is most likely where
the problems are coming from. Vista is very sensitive to RAM timings and
even a RAM test may not show this. The best way is to replace ALL RAM
with a matched set from a reliable source (Not Best Buy etc). If you
don't go with a matched set then at least order it all together from the
same online store. The reason I say Not Best Buy etc is because their
packaged RAM is unlikely to come from all one batch. I know you say it
shipped with 4 G but there's no guarantee that Dell tested compatibility
or function before shipping, or even that they knew what they were
doing. My "Gut Feeling" is that faulty or mismatched RAM will explain
much of what you see.

You will only see just over 3GB available unless you are running Vista
64 bit. No 32 bit operating system will show more than that unless using
a kinds of paging method normally only found in server versions. That is
the whole point of Microsoft producing the 64 bit version.

Yes One Care is a waste of space, but at least it does not do more
damage than viruses like Norton, McAfee and lately Trend have been
doing. I hope they soon fix Trend, the others have been a lost cause for
years.

I've never seen a problem with Steam, especially not involving DEP. You
will have to turn off the Firewall for certain ports though - is that
maybe the cause of your trouble? I think you need to open port 27015 and
maybe a couple of others in that range. I am sure Valve have the numbers
somewhere. (I am thinking of the Half Life series of games here, others
not by Valve themselves will differ).

Hope this helps a bit, you should not be seeing these problems as often
as you apparently are.

I would download an ISO and burn a CD and let it run for a few hours...
http://www.memtest86.com/





AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
> #1 Constant blue screens: Why is it that I get blue screens stemming from
> my video card drivers, and check for a solution only to find that the issue
> was supposedly fixed in SP1?!!!!
>
> #2 Freezing: I'm getting Windows Vista freezing (sporadically, 30 second
> lockups) after your last update?
>
> #3 Booting: Why is it that I freeze 1/3 of the time I boot up my PC?
>
> #4 Data Execution Prevention: I downloaded a piece of software from Steam
> (Valve's product for gaming), and not ONLY does Steam get blocked by DEP even
> though I've already told the O/S that the app is fine, but I can't run my
> game as well?!!!!
>
> #5 Security: I recently downloaded your "One Care" nonsense; there was a
> day where I WOULD NOT remove a detected virus no matter how many times I told
> it to. And why does it seem that my PC has become marginally slower since
> I've downloaded your "One Care" nonsense?
>
> #6 Hardware compat.: Since my PC shipped from the Dell factory, I've had
> nothing but problems finding drivers and certain pieces of software that I'd
> like to run with Windows Vista. You lure us in with DX10, but why is it that
> my dxdiag (even though I've updated vid card, dx, and o/s) STILL say I'm
> running 3 gigs RAM when the PC shipped with 4 gigs?!
>
> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS. Please fix it. Sooner would be better
> than later. Oh and this is not a COMPLETE listing of every problem I've had
> with Windows Vista. I can't keep a stable network connection to the other
> WINDOWS VISTA!!!! PC in my house which I use to print from. You really make
> file sharing a total maze!
>
> I can just keep coming up with reasons why you should fix this jacked up
> O/S, and you know and I know I'm not the only one. I HAVE YET to meet a
> person who knows more than "email-internet-word" to say your O/S is good.
> NOT EVEN ONE of my Vista clients at my last job were happy; none of my former
> larger corporate clients were willing to cut over to it. I'm going to see
> about obtaining a copy of XP (hopefully it's still available somewhere) and
> VOIDING MY DELL WARRANTY just to get rid of this chaos that you call an O/S.
> After working for a dell reseller for a year and a half, for me to actually
> WANT to void my warranty is like committing PC murder, especially for a
> heavily used gaming PC; but I just can't take it anymore. After a small
> incident with the HD, I KNOW ALL MY HARDWARE IS GOOD.
>
> Myself and Dell have spent countless hours on the phone for other Vista
> users. I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has
> given me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).
> Once again Bill, don't think I'm the only one. Get your team in gear. Fix
> your product. Leave XP alone UNTIL you fix your product. In a parody on the
> words of my USMC drill instructor, "William Gates, the command was 'make a
> next-generation O/S.' Correct yourself!"
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

The fact is, Vista works fine on millions of computers. The fact that it
doesn't on yours suggests the problem is with your hardware (or hardware
drivers), not the OS itself.

In fact, your experiences are absolutely typical of a computer which is
unsuitable for running Vista. Did you upgrade it yourself? If so, go back
to XP. If not, get it back to Dell for a refund.

Funny how people like you blame everything but themselves, isn't it?

SteveT
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:19:45 +0100, "Gordon"
<gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>"AWilliams@Techneto" <awilliams@techneto.com> wrote in message
>news:14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com...
>>
>> #6 Hardware compat.: Since my PC shipped from the Dell factory,

>
>idiot. contact DELL for why your DELL is a load of s#&t


Hey Gordo... those how can I be more stupid and obnoxious lessons
Frank is giving you are starting to pay off, your ignorant sack of wet
****.
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

AWilliams@Techneto wrote:

>
> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.


Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:05:03 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com>,
>awilliams@techneto.com says...
>> I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has
>> given me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).

>
>Your problems seem to indicate that your computer didn't ship with Vista
>from Dell or that your computer is not compatible with Vista, it's not a
>Microsoft problem.


Oh I get it... If Vista keeps crashing it isn't Microsoft's fault.
Wow, good defense!
>
>If you're going to rant like you did, maybe a Mac is a good choice for
>you - less options, less choices for hardware, etc....


Hey Bozo, reporting problems it what the newsgroup is for. Funny how
all the fanboy idiots rather shove their pointy heads up their ass and
try to blame every problem on anyone other than Microsoft. You get
paid to be that loyal or you an idiot by choice?
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

In article <uxc6Bjb5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
aka@masked&anonymous.de says...
> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>
> >
> > FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.

>
> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
> also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
> www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.


Strange, several of the systems I tested it on didn't support the video
card, and several others didn't hold video settings between restarts.

Oh, and it takes a LONG Time to install and updates too.


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Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

In article <4pmm74doaae1f23fn44vqgqm79jr4si4n3@4ax.com>,
bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net says...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:05:03 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
> >In article <14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com>,
> >awilliams@techneto.com says...
> >> I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has
> >> given me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).

> >
> >Your problems seem to indicate that your computer didn't ship with Vista
> >from Dell or that your computer is not compatible with Vista, it's not a
> >Microsoft problem.

>
> Oh I get it... If Vista keeps crashing it isn't Microsoft's fault.
> Wow, good defense!


I see now, you're just a angry bitter troll and don't really want any
help or a solution.

Did you miss the part about checking to see if your computer was
compatible with VISTA?

Did you miss the part that suggests you might have a hardware issue?

> >If you're going to rant like you did, maybe a Mac is a good choice for
> >you - less options, less choices for hardware, etc....

>
> Hey Bozo, reporting problems it what the newsgroup is for. Funny how
> all the fanboy idiots rather shove their pointy heads up their ass and
> try to blame every problem on anyone other than Microsoft. You get
> paid to be that loyal or you an idiot by choice?


Ranting is not reporting, trolling is not reporting, it's just rude
comments that get you rude comments directed back to you.

I see that you could not provide any information about your computer,
seems to indicate you're just a troll and your tone confirms it.

--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

Leythos wrote:
> In article <uxc6Bjb5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
> aka@masked&anonymous.de says...
>> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>>
>>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.

>> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
>> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
>> also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
>> www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.

>
> Strange, several of the systems I tested it on didn't support the video
> card, and several others didn't hold video settings between restarts.


Not strange. You're technically inept. You didn't even notice that the
OP has a Dell, obviously or you wouldn't have made this absurd statement.

>
> Oh, and it takes a LONG Time to install and updates too.


No, it takes YOU a long time. It takes me less than an hour to install,
get updates and install all the programs I want that aren't installed by
default.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?


"/Alias**" <aka@masked&anonymous.de> wrote in message
news:%2346CvMc5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <uxc6Bjb5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
>> aka@masked&anonymous.de says...
>>> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>>>
>>>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.
>>> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
>>> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
>>> also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
>>> www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.

>>
>> Strange, several of the systems I tested it on didn't support the video
>> card, and several others didn't hold video settings between restarts.

>
> Not strange. You're technically inept. You didn't even notice that the OP
> has a Dell, obviously or you wouldn't have made this absurd statement.
>
>>
>> Oh, and it takes a LONG Time to install and updates too.

>
> No, it takes YOU a long time. It takes me less than an hour to install,
> get updates and install all the programs I want that aren't installed by
> default.
>
> Alias
>
>

So why do you need to update Ubuntu? Isn't it perfect out of the box?
Doesn't it just work like you suggest? So every 6 months they release a new
version riddled with bugs, then you still have hundreds of updates. Sounds
like crap to me.
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:20:06 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "/Alias**" <aka@masked&anonymous.de> wrote in message
> news:%2346CvMc5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <uxc6Bjb5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
>>> aka@masked&anonymous.de says...
>>>> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.
>>>> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good
>>>> choice and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your
>>>> hardware, it also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs.
>>>> Check it out at www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>> Strange, several of the systems I tested it on didn't support the
>>> video card, and several others didn't hold video settings between
>>> restarts.

>>
>> Not strange. You're technically inept. You didn't even notice that the
>> OP has a Dell, obviously or you wouldn't have made this absurd
>> statement.
>>
>>
>>> Oh, and it takes a LONG Time to install and updates too.

>>
>> No, it takes YOU a long time. It takes me less than an hour to install,
>> get updates and install all the programs I want that aren't installed
>> by default.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>

> So why do you need to update Ubuntu? Isn't it perfect out of the box?


Um, *nothing* is perfect.

> Doesn't it just work like you suggest? So every 6 months they release a
> new version riddled with bugs, then you still have hundreds of updates.
> Sounds like crap to me.


Ubuntu is constantly being improved, unlike Windows which took seven
years for a new version. Even Gates said that was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
too long.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:00:50 -0500, Ringmaster wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:05:03 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>>In article <14269F4C-CFED-44BE-840C-5B840D3611EA@microsoft.com>,
>>awilliams@techneto.com says...
>>> I just can't continue to deal with all the problems this O/S has given
>>> me, and I'm either going back to XP, or going elsewhere (namely Mac).

>>
>>Your problems seem to indicate that your computer didn't ship with Vista
>>from Dell or that your computer is not compatible with Vista, it's not a
>>Microsoft problem.

>
> Oh I get it... If Vista keeps crashing it isn't Microsoft's fault. Wow,
> good defense!
>>
>>If you're going to rant like you did, maybe a Mac is a good choice for
>>you - less options, less choices for hardware, etc....

>
> Hey Bozo, reporting problems it what the newsgroup is for. Funny how all
> the fanboy idiots rather shove their pointy heads up their ass and try
> to blame every problem on anyone other than Microsoft. You get paid to
> be that loyal or you an idiot by choice?


He was born that way.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

/Alias** wrote:

<snipped the rant>

Once you start locking in on someone with the <stalk>, you turn silly
and start beating your chest, about your worthless accomplishments.
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:53 -0400, the wrote:

> /Alias** wrote:
>
> <snipped the rant>
>
> Once you start locking in on someone with the <stalk>, you turn silly
> and start beating your chest, about your worthless accomplishments.


Shouldn't you be spanking a monkey or something?

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:20:06 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:

>
>"/Alias**" <aka@masked&anonymous.de> wrote in message
>news:%2346CvMc5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <uxc6Bjb5IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
>>> aka@masked&anonymous.de says...
>>>> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.
>>>> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
>>>> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
>>>> also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
>>>> www.ubuntu.com You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>> Strange, several of the systems I tested it on didn't support the video
>>> card, and several others didn't hold video settings between restarts.

>>
>> Not strange. You're technically inept. You didn't even notice that the OP
>> has a Dell, obviously or you wouldn't have made this absurd statement.
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, and it takes a LONG Time to install and updates too.

>>
>> No, it takes YOU a long time. It takes me less than an hour to install,
>> get updates and install all the programs I want that aren't installed by
>> default.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>

>So why do you need to update Ubuntu? Isn't it perfect out of the box?
>Doesn't it just work like you suggest? So every 6 months they release a new
>version riddled with bugs, then you still have hundreds of updates. Sounds
>like crap to me.


Windows has been updated for over twenty years... and it still is a
piece of crap that crashes all the time. You were saying?
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTER ANOTHER?

/Alias** wrote:

> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>
>>
>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.

>
>
> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware, it
> also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
> www.urbuttoo.com You'll be glad you did.
>
> Alias


Yeah sure...first go to the ubuntu forums and you'll see at least 28
pages+ of freezing problems. ubuntu is a toy POS os for broke losers
like you.
 
Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

Re: Microsoft - Why have I had nothing but issues ONE AFTERANOTHER?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:02:34 -0700, fb wrote:

> /Alias** wrote:
>
>> AWilliams@Techneto wrote:
>>
>>
>>> FINAL ANALYSIS: YOUR O/S SUCKS.

>>
>>
>> Then get a real operating system already. Ubuntu would be a good choice
>> and not only is it FREE and will have no problems with your hardware,
>> it also comes with access to over 24,000 FREE programs. Check it out at
>> www.urbuttoo.com You'll be glad you did.
>>
>> Alias

>
> Yeah sure...first go to the ubuntu forums and you'll see at least 28
> pages+ of freezing problems. ubuntu is a toy POS os for broke losers
> like you.


I have never had Ubuntu freeze and I've been using it since version 6.10.
I never had it freeze on the dozens of computers I've installed Ubuntu
on, including the three computers I personally own.

I have had Windows freeze and these groups are filled with people who
have had Windows freeze. So, once again, you're talking out your ass and
reveal how little you know about both Ubuntu and Windows but what else is
new, troll?

Alias
 
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