Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

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Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them and
run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine to do a
full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal services.

I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of vendors
who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering they
could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to do
it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine, so
I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of scale.

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Will
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

"Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them and
> run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine to do
> a
> full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal services.

I wouldn't expose the company knownledge, license keys, personal data to any
provider. It depends on what's stored on this server, though.

> I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of vendors
> who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering they
> could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to do
> it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine

I would spend this +30 bucks to the inhouse solution. If you need access to
the TS from the wild, get a router with protocol-based QoS, so the tcp/3389
traffic gets preferred. For security, you could shift the default 3389 rdp
port somewhere else or use VPN/SSh to get into the network.

> I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of scale.

Outsourcing to save 1 dollar per day?

-jolt
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

$30 a day that includes the hardware to run your VM, the network
connectivity, the firewall, the ISP, the power consumption, the building
expenses, etc etc etc

I'm thinking you missed some critical pieces in your calculations :)

Jeff Pitsch
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services


"Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
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> Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them and
> run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine to do
> a
> full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal services.
>
> I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of vendors
> who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering they
> could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to do
> it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine, so
> I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of scale.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

"jolteroli" <jolt1976@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> > I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of vendors
> > who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering they
> > could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to
do
> > it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine
>
> I would spend this +30 bucks to the inhouse solution. If you need access
to
> the TS from the wild, get a router with protocol-based QoS, so the
tcp/3389
> traffic gets preferred. For security, you could shift the default 3389 rdp
> port somewhere else or use VPN/SSh to get into the network.
>
> > I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of
scale.
>
> Outsourcing to save 1 dollar per day?

It's not about money primarily. I would outsource to save hassle of
maintaining backups, constantly watching for uptime of machines, etc.
Saving one trip to the office at 3am to bring back up a server by itself is
worth outsourcing.

I agree with you that critical resources would stay in house.

--
Will
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

"Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
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> $30 a day that includes the hardware to run your VM, the network
> connectivity, the firewall, the ISP, the power consumption, the building
> expenses, etc etc etc
>
> I'm thinking you missed some critical pieces in your calculations :)

Maybe. Then again there are companies doing web hosting at $5/month for
hundreds of MB of dataspace, and who can imagine how they make the economics
of that work.

--
Will


> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
> news:ze2dnXSRu-GPbB3VnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com...
> > Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them
and
> > run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine to
do
> > a
> > full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal services.
> >
> > I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of
vendors
> > who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering they
> > could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to
do
> > it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine,
so
> > I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of
scale.
> >
> > --
> > Will
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

data space <> servers and the critical uptime that is required for such.
Your comparing apples to oranges.


"Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
> news:OxO1auZ6IHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> $30 a day that includes the hardware to run your VM, the network
>> connectivity, the firewall, the ISP, the power consumption, the building
>> expenses, etc etc etc
>>
>> I'm thinking you missed some critical pieces in your calculations :)
>
> Maybe. Then again there are companies doing web hosting at $5/month for
> hundreds of MB of dataspace, and who can imagine how they make the
> economics
> of that work.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:ze2dnXSRu-GPbB3VnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them
> and
>> > run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine to
> do
>> > a
>> > full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal
>> > services.
>> >
>> > I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of
> vendors
>> > who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering
>> > they
>> > could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost to
> do
>> > it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual machine,
> so
>> > I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of
> scale.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will
>
>
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

"Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
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> data space <> servers and the critical uptime that is required for such.
> Your comparing apples to oranges.

A web server is a critical resource to most companies who pay those
companies $5 to $30/month to run the web server.

--
Will


> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
> news:ePSdncmmMKD3qx_VnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@giganews.com...
> > "Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
> > news:OxO1auZ6IHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> $30 a day that includes the hardware to run your VM, the network
> >> connectivity, the firewall, the ISP, the power consumption, the
building
> >> expenses, etc etc etc
> >>
> >> I'm thinking you missed some critical pieces in your calculations :)
> >
> > Maybe. Then again there are companies doing web hosting at $5/month
for
> > hundreds of MB of dataspace, and who can imagine how they make the
> > economics
> > of that work.
> >
> > --
> > Will
> >
> >
> >> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
> >> news:ze2dnXSRu-GPbB3VnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> > Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to them
> > and
> >> > run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine
to
> > do
> >> > a
> >> > full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal
> >> > services.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of
> > vendors
> >> > who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering
> >> > they
> >> > could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost
to
> > do
> >> > it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual
machine,
> > so
> >> > I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of
> > scale.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Will
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

> It's not about money primarily. I would outsource to save hassle of
> maintaining backups, constantly watching for uptime of machines, etc.
> Saving one trip to the office at 3am to bring back up a server by itself
> is worth outsourcing.

Ok I understand, but somehow the solutions stays odd to me. You must
have a failover ISP and the connection must be fast enough,
latency/bandwidth. Here in germany it is often a problem to even get two
independent lines and that is also pretty expensive ~600 euro for two
symetric 2MBit lines, +traffic*euro/traffic. If the worst comes to the
worst, the staff
solely can play hearts on windows thin clients.

If the TSP (Terminal Service Provider) makes regular backup, one must
restore the right tape/file. Either you do it your self or you call in the
24/7 service line and tell them which files/trees. You could connect also to
your company and do the same. Ack, 3am hurts...

Sorry Will, I don't get the point of outsourcing TS, since our approach is
to
be as independent of 3rd parties as possible. I don't want talk it bad. We
have no experiences with such a solution neither I've worried about all the
gotchas. Maybe it's worth a try.

However, wish you luck Will.

-jolt
 
Re: Third Parties Who Run Windows Virtual Machines as Outsourced Service?

I'm sorry but if you're paying $5 - $30 for a simply hosting company then no
it's not critical. yes it may be critical to them but in the end you get
what you pay for. The agreements that go with these types of service are
very specific in what they are liable for and it is typically very little.
No guarantees of uptime, no guarantees of data preservations, etc etc etc.

Jeff Pitsch
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services


"Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
> news:u1NBJeg6IHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> data space <> servers and the critical uptime that is required for such.
>> Your comparing apples to oranges.
>
> A web server is a critical resource to most companies who pay those
> companies $5 to $30/month to run the web server.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:ePSdncmmMKD3qx_VnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > "Jeff Pitsch" <jeff@jeffpitschconsulting.com> wrote in message
>> > news:OxO1auZ6IHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> $30 a day that includes the hardware to run your VM, the network
>> >> connectivity, the firewall, the ISP, the power consumption, the
> building
>> >> expenses, etc etc etc
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking you missed some critical pieces in your calculations :)
>> >
>> > Maybe. Then again there are companies doing web hosting at $5/month
> for
>> > hundreds of MB of dataspace, and who can imagine how they make the
>> > economics
>> > of that work.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will
>> >
>> >
>> >> "Will" <westes-usc@noemail.nospam> wrote in message
>> >> news:ze2dnXSRu-GPbB3VnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com...
>> >> > Are there any ISPs who would take a virtual machine we supply to
>> >> > them
>> > and
>> >> > run it on their premises, occasionally stopping the virtual machine
> to
>> > do
>> >> > a
>> >> > full image backup? We would access the computer by terminal
>> >> > services.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm looking for this at a rate of under $30/month. I'm aware of
>> > vendors
>> >> > who would do this for $300/month, which seems laughable considering
>> >> > they
>> >> > could run 20 virtual machines on a $5K server. We figured our cost
> to
>> > do
>> >> > it internally on our own servers around $60/month per virtual
> machine,
>> > so
>> >> > I'm hoping someone out there has cheaper electricity and economy of
>> > scale.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Will
>
>
 
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