Re: Defrag Error Notice
Hi John:
Just as a side note about the prior posting saying to try PerfectDisk Pro
2008 on a trial basis.
Well I downloaded and installed it and have been playing around with it etc.
Anyway just now I went back to Windows Defrag and ran it just for the heck
of it and guess what....it ran to completion!
Here is the report which looks like to me still has some files in the
Pagefile and MFT area's, but like I said it ran all the way through to
completion with the Error Notice.
Volume (C
Volume size = 227 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 16.55 GB
Free space = 210 GB
Percent free space = 92 %
Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation
Total files = 73,432
Average file size = 278 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00
Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.50 GB
Total fragments = 1
Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,447
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0
Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 107 MB
MFT record count = 80,152
Percent MFT in use = 72 %
Total MFT fragments = 2
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None
Do you have any idea as to how this happened? I wonder if it will continue
without the Error Notice??
ColTom2
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O%23ysscS7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Sorry for the delay, I had to do a bit of experimentation and research.
Here are my findings.
1- The defragmentation report does not report the size of the MFT Zone,
it only reports the size of the actual MFT.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/174619/en-us
2- While I was able to create a partition with a fragmented MFT, I was
not able to create one with a Reserved MFT Zone of less than 12.5% of
the partition size. The NTFSinfo tool reported the expected 12% MFT
zone, like so:
MFT Information
---------------
MFT size : 18 MB (0% of drive)
MFT start cluster : 788838
MFT zone clusters : 2326016 - 3506048
MFT zone size : 4609 MB (12% of drive)
MFT mirror start : 4739171
This expected MFT zone size (12% of drive) differs from the information
that was reported when you ran the tool on your computer, so I did some
searching to see if I could find out why your MFT Zone might be so
small. The answer was provided in a blog on the Diskeeper site:
The Mystery of the Disappearing MFT Reserved Zone!
http://www.diskeeperblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_mystery_of.html
Bottom line is "Don't worry about it!" It's perfectly normal, there is
nothing wrong with your MFT. Although it is better to have the MFT in a
single segment, 3 segments is not the end of the world, it shouldn't
make any noticeable difference in the performance of the file system.
I notice that there is another file shown as being fragmented in your
defrag report, that is a file in use that the defragmenter can't defrag.
You can use PageDefrag to try to defrag the last few in use files that
the Windows defragmenter can't defrag:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx
John
ColTom2 wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Thanks so much for bearing with me. Here is the report:Microsoft Windows
> XP [Version 5.1.2600]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Tom and Kitty>ntfsinfo C
>
> NTFS Information Dump V1.01
> Copyright (C) 1997 Mark Russinovich
> http://www.sysinternals.com
>
> Volume Size
> -----------
> Volume size : 232322 MB
> Total sectors : 475797104
> Total clusters : 59474638
> Free clusters : 55208862
> Free space : 215659 MB (92% of drive)
>
> Allocation Size
> ----------------
> Bytes per sector : 512
> Bytes per cluster : 4096
> Bytes per MFT record : 1024
> Clusters per MFT record: 0
>
> MFT Information
> ---------------
> MFT size : 107 MB (0% of drive)
> MFT start cluster : 786432
> MFT zone clusters : 3871072 - 3899488
> MFT zone size : 111 MB (0% of drive)
> MFT mirror start : 960887
>
> Meta-Data files
> ---------------
>
> Hopefully the above will tell you what you needed to know in finding a
> resolution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ColTom2
>
>
> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:eTvY7GP7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> At the Command Prompt if the file that you want to execute is not in a
> folder defined in the %PATH% environment variable you have to use the
> fully qualified path to the file:
>
> C:\"Folder Path To Unzipped File\ntfsinfo.exe"
>
> or you have to navigate to the folder where the file is located and run
> the file from the containing folder.
>
> You can place the file ntfsinfo.exe in the System32 folder and try to
> run the command again, it should run as System32 is in the %PATH%
> variable. Or you can place the file in the root folder (C:\) and at the
> command prompt use the cd\ command to change to the root folder and run
> the command there.
>
> John
>
> ColTom2 wrote:
>
>
>>Hi John:
>>
>> Thanks for your reply and here is how it all got started. I ran Windows
>>Update yesterday and installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0 with it. Shortly
>>thereafter I tried to defrag and started getting these errors which I had
>>never gotten before. I uninstalled the Windows Desktop Search 4.0, but it
>>did nothing to correct this error.
>>
>> I have not converted any FAT32 files or drive to NFTS.
>>
>> I downloaded the Zip file for the NFTSInfo utility and extracted file
>>"ntfsinfo.exe" to the same folder as the zip file. I doubled clicked on it
>>thinking that would install it before trying to run from Cmd Prompt. A
>>black
>>screen briefly appeared and went away. I then went to Cmd Prompt and typed
>>in "NFTSInfo C" and I am getting an error that says "is not recognized as
>>an
>>internal or external command, operable program or batch file."
>>
>> Maybe you can tell me what I am doing wrong here.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>news:uW2PWBN7IHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>Unfortunately Anfrew E. sent you a fool's errand! His instructions will
>>do nothing to change the defrag error report that you are receiving.
>>
>>The error that you see is that the Master File Table is in 3 fragments.
>> The Windows XP defragmenter cannot defrag the MFT, you have to use
>>third party tools if you want to defragment it. The question that comes
>>to mind is "why is such a small MFT already fragmented"? Did you
>>convert your drive from FAT32 to NTFS? I'm also not 100% sure how to
>>interpret the reported size of the MFT and its % usage, certainly the
>>MFT zone must be much, much, bigger than 107MB, that may be the actual
>>usage inside the MFT zone, but it would be helpful if you could confirm
>>the MFT actual size and MFT zone size with the use of the small (28KB)
>>SysInternals NTFSInfo utility:
>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897424.aspx
>>
>>NTFSInfo must be run from the Command Prompt, run it and verify the MFT
>>Information and see how big the MFT Zone actually is.
>>
>>John
>>
>>ColTom2 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Andrew:
>>>
>>> I have accomplished your instructions five times and still am getting
>>>defrag error notice. I assume that your "click set 2X" meant click on set
>>>two times.
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea as to why I am still getting error notice?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>"Andrew E." <eckrichco@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0BBAB569-075E-4423-8188-87DEC44C3B8E@microsoft.com...
>>> 3rd party utilities are hardly the way to go,in cmd run:CLEANMGR Then:
>>>Defrag C: Once thru,exit cmd,open system
>>>properties,advanced,performance,
>>>virtual memory,change,set C: to "no page file" click set 2X,close
>>>out,restart
>>>pc.Back in xp,open cmd,type
efrag C: Close when thru,reopen system,set
>>>page file to:"let system manage" click set 2X,close out,restart pc...It
>>>might
>>>take a time or two,but the fragmented files will end....
>>>
>>>"ColTom2" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi:
>>>>
>>>>I am running Windows XP Media Center (2005) SP3 on a Sony desktop
>>>>VGC-RA716G and just today starting getting this defrag error notice. I
>>>>might
>>>>add that it started after I had installed Windows Desktop Search 4.0,
>>>>but
>>>>I
>>>>uninstalled it and am now still getting the same error notice. Also I
>>>>installed the Desktop Search 4.0 on my Toshiba laptop and have had no
>>>>related problems with it defragging.
>>>>
>>>>The Defrag Error Notice reads as follows:
>>>>" Some files on the volume could not be defragged. Please check the
>>>>defragmetation report for the list of these files".
>>>>
>>>>Here is a copy of defrag report:
>>>>Volume (C
>>>> Volume size = 227 GB
>>>> Cluster size = 4 KB
>>>> Used space = 15.97 GB
>>>> Free space = 211 GB
>>>> Percent free space = 92 %
>>>>
>>>>Volume fragmentation
>>>> Total fragmentation = 0 %
>>>> File fragmentation = 0 %
>>>> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>>>>
>>>>File fragmentation
>>>> Total files = 72,031
>>>> Average file size = 269 KB
>>>> Total fragmented files = 1
>>>> Total excess fragments = 11
>>>> Average fragments per file = 1.00
>>>>
>>>>Pagefile fragmentation
>>>> Pagefile size = 1.50 GB
>>>> Total fragments = 1
>>>>
>>>>Folder fragmentation
>>>> Total folders = 6,383
>>>> Fragmented folders = 1
>>>> Excess folder fragments = 0
>>>>
>>>>Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
>>>> Total MFT size = 107 MB
>>>> MFT record count = 78,627
>>>> Percent MFT in use = 71 %
>>>> Total MFT fragments = 3
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
>>>>None
>>>>
>>>>As you can tell from the above report it appears to be one file and it
>>>>is
>>>>not identified as it says "None".
>>>>
>>>>I also ran System Restore back to yesterday and ran Defrag in Safe Mode
>>>>and still am getting this error notice.In addition I ran CHKDSK and it
>>>>said
>>>>the volume was clean.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to find a solution on the web, but found none. Hopefully
>>>>somebody
>>>>has an answer to this problem that apparently has happened many time
>>>>before.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>ColTom2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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