On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

[Robert A. Macy]

I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
liked in Win98.

So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

Robert

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Windows Update. After installing IE 6.1. Earlier versions of IE work, though
I'm not sure how early, but you want to make it as up to date as possible,
right? (Not that you *can* update Win98 to current standards.)

Or, if you want the whole thing on two CDs, Microsoft's own Security Updates
CD from Feb. 2004 and all subsequent Updates from Windows Update for Win98,
98SE and ME, then email me at:
updates_at_grystmill.com

I email you my mailing address, you send me $3 to cover packaging and
postage, and I send you the CDs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:9851ed8d-5e40-4295-9eed-df0e80c0ffbc@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>
> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
> liked in Win98.
>
> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>
> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>
> Robert

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Once you format the WinXP machine and manage to get Win98 installed &
working properly (...) :

1. Download/install IE6 SP1 and reboot twice:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e1550cb-5e5d-48f5-b02b-20b602228de6

2. Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Robert A. Macy wrote:
> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>
> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
> liked in Win98.
>
> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>
> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>
> Robert

 

[Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Robert A. Macy wrote:
> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>
> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
> liked in Win98.
>
> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>
> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>
> Robert

There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of
the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

What makes you assume that. Bill?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Robert A. Macy wrote:
>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>>
>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
>> liked in Win98.
>>
>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>>
>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>>
>> Robert
>
> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of
> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great
over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win
3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called, "critical
updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the headaches that
HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I did install one or
two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that point (before some of the
newer ones started creating some problems in some cases, including removing
previously available features, etc (most in the name of "clamping down on
security", to help protect the user from himself

That said, IMO:
The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6
SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it musta
been IE 5.5).

Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I visit
or connect to.
(I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more
"protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I
dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.
Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well know
by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye out for
any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.


Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> What makes you assume that. Bill?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Robert A. Macy wrote:
>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>>>
>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
>>> liked in Win98.
>>>
>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>>>
>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of
>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

 

[thanatoid]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in
news:9851ed8d-5e40-4295-9eed-df0e80c0ffbc@25g2000prz.googlegro
ups.com:

> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>
> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost
> features I liked in Win98.
>
> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>
> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary
> updates?
>
> Robert

Here:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

--
[from a recent conversation]
thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?
Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?

I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.
Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my
Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but the
few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing on
the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience. Of
course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious about
installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.

You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a
rattlesnake might get you. In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake
bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an
Update might mess up your system.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eGikiYlCJHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great
> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win
> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,
> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the
> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I
> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that point
> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some
> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in the
> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from himself
>
>
> That said, IMO:
> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6
> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it
> musta been IE 5.5).
>
> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I
> visit or connect to.
> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more
> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I
> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.
> Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well
> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye out
> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.
>
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> What makes you assume that. Bill?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:
>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
>>>> liked in Win98.
>>>>
>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>>>>
>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out
>>> of
>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.
>
>

 

[Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?
>
> I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.
> Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my
> Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but the
> few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing
> on
> the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience.

Exactly. And for what? (rhetorical) Been burned a couple of times
with some updates (and/or miffed at some features removed as a consequence
of installing the updates), and that was enough. And not just on one
occasion, either!

> Of course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious
> about
> installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.
>
> You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a
> rattlesnake might get you.

Not at all. I'm a risk taker on some things - those worthwhile (to me)
things. And you of all people should know that by now, by all the times
I've ended up using scanreg /restore (in Win98), or restoring an image (in
the case of XP), for all of my experiments.

> In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake
> bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an
> Update might mess up your system.

Nope. I have zero interest in "microsoft's (so-called) "updates". They
hold little value for me. I've "walked that walk" before on a few
occasions, and, thanks but no thanks. I don't need - or want - the (often
consequent) "anomalies", and the loss of some previously available
capabilities or features, all taken away in the name of "security". True
security "comes from within", meaning, from how one takes care of their
computer, and from their own computer usage.

> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eGikiYlCJHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great
>> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win
>> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,
>> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the
>> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I
>> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that
>> point
>> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some
>> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in the
>> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from
>> himself
>>
>>
>> That said, IMO:
>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or
>> IE6
>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it
>> musta been IE 5.5).
>>
>> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I
>> visit or connect to.
>> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more
>> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I
>> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.
>> Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well
>> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye
>> out
>> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.
>>
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> What makes you assume that. Bill?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:
>>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
>>>>> liked in Win98.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out
>>>> of
>>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Try making a living as a computer repair person selling *that* line <g>. The
great unwashed expect the machine to do everything for them. They'll call
when the machine doesn't do what it's expected to do, and we all know why
that usually is, like 99.9999% of the time, right? You can spend the whole
visit telling them all about maintenance and security *practices*, a full
blown seminar, and they won't hear a word. Next time you hear from them
it's, "Hey, I got a new computer. That old one didn't work anymore. But
there's all this garbage on here and my all my old apps and games aren't
working, especially Kazaa. I need you to fix it and set it up for me."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23eMTDvmCJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?
>>
>> I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.
>> Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my
>> Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but
>> the
>> few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing
>> on
>> the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience.
>
> Exactly. And for what? (rhetorical) Been burned a couple of times
> with some updates (and/or miffed at some features removed as a consequence
> of installing the updates), and that was enough. And not just on one
> occasion, either!
>
>> Of course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious
>> about
>> installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.
>>
>> You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a
>> rattlesnake might get you.
>
> Not at all. I'm a risk taker on some things - those worthwhile (to me)
> things. And you of all people should know that by now, by all the times
> I've ended up using scanreg /restore (in Win98), or restoring an image (in
> the case of XP), for all of my experiments.
>
>> In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake
>> bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an
>> Update might mess up your system.
>
> Nope. I have zero interest in "microsoft's (so-called) "updates". They
> hold little value for me. I've "walked that walk" before on a few
> occasions, and, thanks but no thanks. I don't need - or want - the
> (often consequent) "anomalies", and the loss of some previously available
> capabilities or features, all taken away in the name of "security".
> True security "comes from within", meaning, from how one takes care of
> their computer, and from their own computer usage.
>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:eGikiYlCJHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly
>>> great
>>> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and
>>> Win
>>> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,
>>> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the
>>> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I
>>> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that
>>> point
>>> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some
>>> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in
>>> the
>>> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from
>>> himself
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, IMO:
>>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or
>>> IE6
>>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
>>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it
>>> musta been IE 5.5).
>>>
>>> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I
>>> visit or connect to.
>>> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more
>>> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I
>>> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by
>>> me.
>>> Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well
>>> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye
>>> out
>>> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>> What makes you assume that. Bill?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:
>>>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
>>>>>> liked in Win98.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out
>>>>> of
>>>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.
>
>

 

[Ron Badour]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

Before you start, ensure that there are W98 drivers for your hardware as
there may not be any available. XP may be slow if there is insufficient
ram installed and/or there are a ton of unneeded programs being started at
boot and running in the background.
--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:9851ed8d-5e40-4295-9eed-df0e80c0ffbc@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.
>
> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I
> liked in Win98.
>
> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....
>
> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?
>
> Robert

 

[letterman@invalid.com]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>That said, IMO:
>The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6
>SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
>maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it musta
>been IE 5.5).
>

Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that
means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade
installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have
stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird
things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6
is a POS.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."
> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> That said, IMO:
>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or
>> IE6
>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it
>> musta
>> been IE 5.5).
>>
>
> Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that
> means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade
> installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have
> stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird
> things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6
> is a POS.

Well, I sure misremembered that, so thanks for the update. I use K-Meleon
sometimes (esp. on the wikipedia site, since it sometimes messes with my TIF
cache for IE), instead of Firefox, since it seems a lot faster. But
K-Meleon isn't quite as polished as Firefox, of course.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

For years, now, I've used, and know lots of people who use, IE6.1 on Windows
98 with nary a problem. The problem in your case is most likely between your
ears.

Windows 98 SE comes with IE 5, (version 5.00.2614.3500, March '99) and was
upgraded to 5.01 SP1and SP2 the following winter. IE 5.5 came out in
mid-2000 and IE6.1, last build, was released on September 9, 2002. almost 6
years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_5


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:lo9nb4d4ilnqnovf6e1a8410netr9sbe50@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."
> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>That said, IMO:
>>The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6
>>SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But
>>maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it
>>musta
>>been IE 5.5).
>>
>
> Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that
> means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade
> installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have
> stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird
> things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6
> is a POS.
>