Tweakui setting question

PCR · Oct 12, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eXTfi7%23KJHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| ms wrote:
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
|| | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|| |
|| |> ms wrote:
|| |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|| |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|| |>|
|| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|| |>|
|| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|| |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|| |>|
|| |>| Advice?
|| |>
|| |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|| |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|| |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|| |> shortcut!
|| |>
|| |>| MS
|| |>
|| | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
|| |
|| | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
|| | those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
|| |
|| | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is
|| | there any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
||
|| I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head
|| if disaster should strike!
||
|| | ms
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|
| Well, I certainly don't want ms to enable viewing ALL extensions or
| disabling certain needed aspects for Windows other functions or
| files. Its a toss-up, either we supply something here or ms will
| likely look elsewhere as was done before, and then there potentially
| WOULD be a mess to cleanup. I didn't address other more potentially
| dangerous modifications, only those which might be associated with
| the desktop shortcuts {for the most part}, shortcuts and pifs.
|
| This isn't meant as derogatory towards ms or others... just trying
| to be as safe as possible, yet deal with the issue in some fashion.

(I didn't mean anything.) Now, I've noticed he cannot find...
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile

That should be present! But I'm leaving it in your hands! Here is what
mine looks like. It's a mysterious one with those CLSIDs. You see why I
won't mess with this...!?!...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
@="Shortcut"
"EditFlags"=dword:00000001
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\CLSID]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\IconHandler]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\DropHandler]
@="{00021401-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers\{00021401-0000-00
00-C000-000000000046}]
@=""

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| ~~

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PCR · Oct 12, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

ms wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:eXTfi7#KJHA.5328
| @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
|
|> ms wrote:
|>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920
|>| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
|>|
|>|> ms wrote:
|>|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop
|>|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then.
|>|>|
|>|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow.
|>|>|
|>|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is:
|>|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000
|>|>|
|>|>| Advice?
|>|>
|>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a
|>|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to
|>|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a
|>|> shortcut!
|>|>
|>|>| MS
|>|>
|>| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!"
|>|
|>| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but
|>| those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me.
|>|
|>| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is
|>| there any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows?
|>
|> I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head
|> if disaster should strike!
|>
|>| ms
|>
| I should clarify that this is a used machine, no new MS patches for
| probably 3 years, but as you suggested about a patch, maybe the
| previous owner had back then loaded a patch, that now my using
| Tweakui, the arrow can't be eliminated. Everybody's browsing habits
| are different, with mine, I ran a W98SE machine, after a reformat and
| new OS install, browsing with no patches for 8 months and no
| problems. At that time the power supply died, so that was the end of
| it.

Well, I don't want to mess with this arrow issue. But, maybe start by
asking TweakUI to give them back. What it did obviously is no longer
effective. And maybe you will get your missing Registry key back for MEB
to play with.

| ms

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PCR · Oct 12, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

FromTheRafters wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:efylAVMLJHA.5704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> FromTheRafters wrote:
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:em6CKO$KJHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> | [snip]
|> |
|> |> In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will
|> |> cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may
|> |> decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the
|> |> Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good!
|> |> Who knows whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
|> |> arrows will interfere with that process!?
|> |
|> | I assume that was a rhetorical question, but I am curious about
|> | it as a literal case. Surely, extracting the icon from the
|> | shell32.dll icon library (if that is where it resides) - editing
|> | it and embedding it back in would alleviate any complications that
|> | arise with any functional dependency on the reg key value.
|> | However, that would
|> | be an overly complicated method if a simple reg key deletion
|> | achieves the same result for the user - without complications.
|>
|> I understand there was more than one dastardly method to get rid of
|> arrows. But I don't know the details of them-- & I don't want to! I
|> love my arrows! I know for sure it isn't just one icon involved,
|> though. I can see more many different ones on my own desktop. It
|> even could be the arrow is drawn separately on top of a normal icon.
|> (I don't know.)
|
| It appears to be a transparent overlay on the original icon. To those
| that wish it gone - it is a blemish on the original icon.

)

LOL-- unless they sit around with an apple on their heads for more than
an hour, everyone should love their arrows!

| Use the properties of the lnk file to browse for a new icon and
| check out the icon - an invisible rectangle with the arrow in the
| corner. I'm on XP right now and it resides in %systemroot%/
| system32/shell32.dll.

In Win98, it is in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHELL32.DLL. But I don't recommend
anyone fool with it!

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Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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MEB · Oct 12, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
@="Shortcut"
"EditFlags"=dword:00000001
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\piffile]
@="Shortcut to MS-DOS Program"
"EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00
"IsShortcut"=""
"NeverShowExt"=""

Depending upon the program and its settings, CASE does matter....

The change is at:
IsShortcut

to

IsNotShortcut

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"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:6lf8hkFbthnfU1@mid.individual.net...
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
| @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
| > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
| > http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
| > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
| >
|
|
| From that link:
| ---
| 2. SAFER :
| "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
| shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts in
| any way, start Regedit and go to:
| HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
| and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
|
| In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut" String
| Value.
| Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read "IsNotShortcut"
| (no quotes).
| Close Regedit and reboot.
| The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected icons as
| shortcuts and treats them accordingly.

"
| ---
|
| That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally RegSeeker to
| search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
|
| That key does not exist in my registry- ????
|
| Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers to
| Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any of the
| patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
|
| I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number, lots
| of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in 2002 did
| affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never patched for that in
| other W98 machines, never had a problem.
|
| Advice?
|
| ms

thanatoid · Oct 13, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:eNrvK9LLJHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> thanatoid wrote:

<SNIP>

>|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
>|> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
>|> -- than to worry about all of that!
>|
>| No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to
>| mind...
>
> I meant "you're dealing", not "your"-- I'm surprised you
> missed that!

Mustah been a'tha talk 'bout them arras!

> I'm not worried about directory structure or
> the properties of shortcuts. All of that is the same
> regardless of whether you've kept your arrows! Keep them--
> & use R-Drag too!

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | |
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | |

Close enough ;-) ?

<SNIP>

>|> Who knows
>|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
>|> arrows will interfere with that process!?
>|
>| I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking
>| about a MS OS.
>
> I possibly depends on the particular tweak. But I see no
> reason to test it!

Well, at least we agree on that!

>| Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY
>| reasons for partitions is that you backup or image C and
>| never have to worry about "system" again.
>| All your other stuff is organized according to your
>| preferences and can be backed up once a day or once a year
>| depending on how important it is and how often the content
>| is changed.
>
> Well, now that MS no longer offers updates for Win98,

I don't think I ever installed more than one or two, if that. As
an additional benefit, I have

NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS!
NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
ARROWS!
NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS!
NO ARROWS!

> that's mostly true, yea. Certain 3rd-party apps are doing
> periodic updates on C:, though, like NetZero & avast!.

It is - I thought /needless/ to mention - that after restoring
your last image (or however you do the C thing) you must then
update certain system drive changes and updates. And perhaps add
a program or two (or 15) you've added since and decided are
actually worth using, etc.

Then you can make a new image.

I used to labor under the illusion that I had the "perfect
setup" - icons stayed in their place (this was before I found
IconSaver), I had ALL the programs I could ever possibly need,.
etc... About 20 "perfect setup" CD images later... Stopped
counting... I just date them now.

Sigh.

> I've always hated missing my chance back in '87-- I
> waited too long & never got in!

My family - including yours truly - have always been /really/
brilliant with money. It's a miracle we don't live under a
bridge and I'm not doing this from the "hobo corner" of the
local library. I got into mutual funds about 6 weeks before that
crash. Although I must say that I seem to have done a pretty
good job of "diversifying" - only lost about 1 or 2 percent that
day, but since the money was my parents, they of course /made
me/ sell immediately. (See first sentence of this paragraph.)

OTOH, a have a friend who bought a bunch of MS stock in the late
70's.

Sigh (again).

> The extra trouble this time
> is that some stocks are going to zero! I don't remember
> that happening back then! SO... likely I'll delay too long
> this time too-- damn!

I just wish I knew whether I should change all my money into
Euros or not.

<SNIP>

>| No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file
>| manager. I have mentioned my favorite enough times but
>| ANYTHING is better than WE.
>
> I like to stick with MS to be able to answer questions
> here. If I don't use Explorer, how will I be able to do
> that?

I didn't even /know/ there was an r-drag! I /did/ know there was
a shift-drag. (At least in Total Commander.)

You /don't need/ to know that crap when you use a 2-paner for
all file operations. But I guess there are people who find
hitting one key harder than spending 30 seconds or more screwing
around with the mouse.

The ONLY time I drag and drop is when I move a set of dirs into
the "create and burn ISO file" in Goldenhawk CDRWin. /Very/
occasionally when I move a single file out of a dir into the
previous branch, and when I am working in the other pane at the
same time.

Anyway, you tell them the truth - which I have typed more often
than I like to think about:

WE IS NOT A FILE MANAGER TOOL. IT IS A TORTURE DEVICE DESIGNED
TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THE LEAST POSSIBLE WITH THE MOST TROUBLE
POSSIBLE AND TO MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND LET
ALONE CONTROL YOUR MACHINE.

The ONLY thing I have found that Explorer can do that one or
another program can not is to set the icons for file types. I
tried to set htm and html to the same icon with WinAssociate,
and
html worked (icon #160) but for some reason htm insisted on
defaulting to the FIRST (#0) icon in my custom-made _desktop.dll
file (which I use instead of shell32.dll for my icon needs and
have for ages).

It /IS/ possible (and I sure as hell hope) that the reason for
this is that I was using an older version of WinAssociate!

Anyway, you can't /REMOVE/ WE and you can't kill its process -
but the above is the ONLY thing I ever do with it. Just like the
ONLY thing I ever do with IE is read chm help files. But I ran
across an app which converts chm to html and while I haven't had
time to try it yet, it may allow me to never ever see IE's ugly
mug again.

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votes decide everything.
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Franc Zabkar · Oct 13, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>---- Original Message ----
>From: "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
>Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question

>| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
>| "hide file types" is turned off:
>| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
>
>I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same 10
>I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you undo all
>10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the various
>shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!

I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue with
hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicised quite a few years
ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.

- Franc Zabkar
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MEB · Oct 13, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:h2f5f49mimr6d19m5610btq46v3tfvjfgu@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >---- Original Message ----
| >From: "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net>
| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
| >Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question
|
| >| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
| >| "hide file types" is turned off:
| >| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
| >
| >I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same 10
| >I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you undo all
| >10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the various
| >shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!
|
| I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
| the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue with
| hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicized quite a few years
| ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Yeah, but that shell scrap issue was easily and permanently remedied by a
simple file rename like:
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHSCRAP.DLL.org
which is something I've done on every 98 computer I ever worked on and
never had a complaint of something not working. Heck I even forget that I do
it...

I think I found some of the best info *back then* {2000-which still seems
available}:
http://www.pc-help.org/security/scrap.htm

Microsoft supposedly provided a fix for OutLook email hacks:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235309 which caused a number of problems,
and required {as usual} another update, which also didn't really work.

OE users were given this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267580/EN-US/ {**take note of the JAVA
caution at the bottom and the general file attachment caution**}

OE 6 gave the Security Option to disallow saving and opening attachments [as
if].

So yeah, I would agree, IF the user is capable of understanding what they
are seeing and what it means (and only then), then unhide ALL extensions....
just be sure they do know AND don't forget....

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Franc Zabkar · Oct 14, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:24:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
>http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
>DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>
>Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.

That gets rid of the arrows, but then my three-finger desktop
shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-x) stop working. :-(

- Franc Zabkar
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MEB · Oct 14, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style that
matters.

Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource hack....lots
of information on and some nice tools for image and other resource hacking
on the Net... don't forget to backup what your working on [and the registry]
BEFORE you start playing around...

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:laq9f4526esqqqebfg6l131sh5au8hv795@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:24:30 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
| >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
| >DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
| >
| >Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut.
|
| That gets rid of the arrows, but then my three-finger desktop
| shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-x) stop working. :-(
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PCR · Oct 14, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:eNrvK9LLJHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
|> thanatoid wrote:
|
| <SNIP>
|
|>|> Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to
|>|> know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut
|>|> -- than to worry about all of that!
|>|
|>| No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to
|>| mind...
|>
|> I meant "you're dealing", not "your"-- I'm surprised you
|> missed that!
|
| Mustah been a'tha talk 'bout them arras!

Hmph!

|> I'm not worried about directory structure or
|> the properties of shortcuts. All of that is the same
|> regardless of whether you've kept your arrows! Keep them--
|> & use R-Drag too!
|
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
|| | | | | | | | |
| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
| | | | | | | | |
|
| Close enough ;-) ?
............................................... ^
Put some HEADS on those...!... |

| <SNIP>
|
|>|> Who knows
|>|> whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut
|>|> arrows will interfere with that process!?
|>|
|>| I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking
|>| about a MS OS.
|>
|> I possibly depends on the particular tweak. But I see no
|> reason to test it!
|
| Well, at least we agree on that!

Very good, then.

|>| Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY
|>| reasons for partitions is that you backup or image C and
|>| never have to worry about "system" again.
|>| All your other stuff is organized according to your
|>| preferences and can be backed up once a day or once a year
|>| depending on how important it is and how often the content
|>| is changed.
|>
|> Well, now that MS no longer offers updates for Win98,
|
| I don't think I ever installed more than one or two, if that.

Very bad-- very, very bad! That's WORSE than killing arrows almost!

| As
| an additional benefit, I have
|
|
|
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS! NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO ARROWS! NO
| ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!
| NO ARROWS!

Go back up, & fix your arrow heads then-- for heaven's sake! For all the
reasons I've already said! I mean it this time!

|> that's mostly true, yea. Certain 3rd-party apps are doing
|> periodic updates on C:, though, like NetZero & avast!.
|
| It is - I thought /needless/ to mention - that after restoring
| your last image (or however you do the C thing) you must then
| update certain system drive changes and updates. And perhaps add
| a program or two (or 15) you've added since and decided are
| actually worth using, etc.
|
| Then you can make a new image.

Absolutely. But my own full system backup (which really is less than
full now that I've split partitions) is a clone of C:-- not an image!
So, occasionally, I just copy changes over from C: to the D:clone. It's
great, unless I wait too long & forget what I've done. Also, some
changes are difficult to decipher; so, I'd have to do the full clone
again.

| I used to labor under the illusion that I had the "perfect
| setup" - icons stayed in their place (this was before I found
| IconSaver), I had ALL the programs I could ever possibly need,.
| etc... About 20 "perfect setup" CD images later... Stopped
| counting... I just date them now.
|
| Sigh.

I understand.

|> I've always hated missing my chance back in '87-- I
|> waited too long & never got in!
|
| My family - including yours truly - have always been /really/
| brilliant with money. It's a miracle we don't live under a
| bridge and I'm not doing this from the "hobo corner" of the
| local library. I got into mutual funds about 6 weeks before that
| crash. Although I must say that I seem to have done a pretty
| good job of "diversifying" - only lost about 1 or 2 percent that
| day, but since the money was my parents, they of course /made
| me/ sell immediately. (See first sentence of this paragraph.)

That's sadder than my own story. I never got in at all, so never rode
the market from the 2,000's to the 14,000's. But you & your family got
in just long enough to loose 50% or so of your dough-- taking the rest
out to miss the ride up! Yikes! Do they still talk to you?

Back then, we could have bought at the low OR at the high & still looked
good today. But we don't have 20 years anymore to try it that way now!
So, we really need to catch the real low this time! And yesterday it
wen't up 936 points! God-- I hate it! Now, at today's close it's fairly
well held yesterday's gain-- sheesh, down only 76 points! Sounds like
another missed bottom to me!

| OTOH, a have a friend who bought a bunch of MS stock in the late
| 70's.
|
| Sigh (again).

Yea. One's got to know TWO things, when to get in-- & when to get back
out!

|> The extra trouble this time
|> is that some stocks are going to zero! I don't remember
|> that happening back then! SO... likely I'll delay too long
|> this time too-- damn!
|
| I just wish I knew whether I should change all my money into
| Euros or not.

I don't know. But this crisis is worldwide!

| <SNIP>
|
|>| No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file
|>| manager. I have mentioned my favorite enough times but
|>| ANYTHING is better than WE.
|>
|> I like to stick with MS to be able to answer questions
|> here. If I don't use Explorer, how will I be able to do
|> that?
|
| I didn't even /know/ there was an r-drag! I /did/ know there was
| a shift-drag. (At least in Total Commander.)

R-Drag is in "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pp.174-177. Very
important! The rules of drag/drop are inscrutable otherwise-- it's
different for shortcuts/files/folders AND source/destination AND whether
one holds an ALT/CTRL/SHIFT/whatever key or not-- maybe even TWO keys at
once!

BEST do all your drag/drop with the R-Mouse button for the choices!

| You /don't need/ to know that crap when you use a 2-paner for
| all file operations. But I guess there are people who find
| hitting one key harder than spending 30 seconds or more screwing
| around with the mouse.

Why? If the panes are of different drives, rules vary from when they are
of the same drive. A folder, for instance, is moved to the former &
copied to the latter. Also, it's different depending what is being
dragged. An L-Dragged application file will possibly create shortcuts in
some destinations but not in others. There are 3 pages of such rules you
can totally forget JUST by using the R-Mouse button!

| The ONLY time I drag and drop is when I move a set of dirs into
| the "create and burn ISO file" in Goldenhawk CDRWin. /Very/
| occasionally when I move a single file out of a dir into the
| previous branch, and when I am working in the other pane at the
| same time.

STILL-- that's a bad habit! Get used to the R-Mouse or some day you will
regret it!

| Anyway, you tell them the truth - which I have typed more often
| than I like to think about:
|
| WE IS NOT A FILE MANAGER TOOL. IT IS A TORTURE DEVICE DESIGNED
| TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THE LEAST POSSIBLE WITH THE MOST TROUBLE
| POSSIBLE AND TO MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND LET
| ALONE CONTROL YOUR MACHINE.
|
| The ONLY thing I have found that Explorer can do that one or
| another program can not is to set the icons for file types. I
| tried to set htm and html to the same icon with WinAssociate,
| and
| html worked (icon #160) but for some reason htm insisted on
| defaulting to the FIRST (#0) icon in my custom-made _desktop.dll
| file (which I use instead of shell32.dll for my icon needs and
| have for ages).
|
| It /IS/ possible (and I sure as hell hope) that the reason for
| this is that I was using an older version of WinAssociate!

I don't know. When I go to...

"START, Settings, Folder Options, HTML Document"

...., the extension for it is both HTM & HTML. Therefore, they share the
same icon, which seems to be the 1st icon in
C:\PROGRA~1\INTERN~1\iexplore.exe. But I am able to change it to
another. I guess, to get two separate icons, you'd have to split them
out of HTML Document somehow.

| Anyway, you can't /REMOVE/ WE and you can't kill its process -
| but the above is the ONLY thing I ever do with it. Just like the
| ONLY thing I ever do with IE is read chm help files. But I ran
| across an app which converts chm to html and while I haven't had
| time to try it yet, it may allow me to never ever see IE's ugly
| mug again.

Good luck-- but I'm against it!

| --
| Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the
| votes decide everything.
| - Josef Stalin

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · Oct 14, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

MEB wrote:
| "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| news:h2f5f49mimr6d19m5610btq46v3tfvjfgu@4ax.com...
|| On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:32 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
|| finger to keyboard and composed:
||
|| >---- Original Message ----
|| >From: "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net>
|| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 09:41 PM
|| >Subject: Re: Tweakui setting question
||
|| >| There are several other file types which remain hidden even though
|| >| "hide file types" is turned off:
|| >| http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/May/0184.html
|| >
|| >I had a quick look. The 10 items Rollyson posted look like the same
|| >10 I've got. I'll have to examine it more closely later. Did you
|| >undo all 10 "NeverShowExt" & with not a single regret or just the
|| >various shortcuts? But it doesn't appear to be necessary anymore!
||
|| I went through the registry on my own many years ago and "unhid" all
|| the file types I could find. So far no problems. In fact an issue
|| with hidden ShellScrap file types was well publicized quite a few
|| years ago. That's what prompted me to look for others.

Yes, I see what MEB has posted, & I've seen it before. I always did mean
to investigate it more fully. More below.

But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
add...!...

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
AlwaysShowExt ""

....but, it left...

NeverShowExt ""

....there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!

|| - Franc Zabkar
|| --
|| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
| Yeah, but that shell scrap issue was easily and permanently remedied
| by a simple file rename like:
| C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHSCRAP.DLL.org
| which is something I've done on every 98 computer I ever worked on
| and never had a complaint of something not working. Heck I even
| forget that I do it...

I haven't fully decided to do that. I HATE killing off capabilities--
even those I rarely if ever use!

| I think I found some of the best info *back then* {2000-which still
| seems available}:
| http://www.pc-help.org/security/scrap.htm

Well, when I click the two demos he put in there (under the Browser
section), they both open up as text in IExplore, instead of execuring. I
guess that means I'm safe enough at sites. Also, when I insert a scrap
as an attachment into a post (or read one I've sent to myself), the
extension is added to the filename in an Attach box. And, if I try to
open it, it says "Opening Text.txt.shs"-- & I get a warning it could be
a dangerous file. So, looks like I am good as is.

It might have been a problem pre-IE6 SP1, maybe-- but it doesn't seem to
be one now!

| Microsoft supposedly provided a fix for OutLook email hacks:
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235309 which caused a number of
| problems, and required {as usual} another update, which also didn't
| really work.
|
| OE users were given this:
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/267580/EN-US/ {**take note of the JAVA
| caution at the bottom and the general file attachment caution**}
|
| OE 6 gave the Security Option to disallow saving and opening
| attachments [as if].
|
| So yeah, I would agree, IF the user is capable of understanding what
| they are seeing and what it means (and only then), then unhide ALL
| extensions.... just be sure they do know AND don't forget....
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~

--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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Franc Zabkar · Oct 15, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:20:00 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
>extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
>add...!...
>
>HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
>AlwaysShowExt ""
>
>...but, it left...
>
>NeverShowExt ""
>
>...there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
>didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!

I only have AlwaysShowExt, not NeverShowExt.

When I create a zero-byte file with an SHS extension, Explorer
displays the extension and identifies the file type as "Scrap object".

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PCR · Oct 15, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:20:00 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>But are you sure can un-hide .shs? I've tried by checking "Always show
|>extension" for Scrap Object in Folder Options-- & that failed. It did
|>add...!...
|>
|>HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ShellScrap
|>AlwaysShowExt ""
|>
|>...but, it left...
|>
|>NeverShowExt ""
|>
|>...there too. Even manually renaming the latter to "X-NeverShowExt"
|>didn't do it, either! The extension won't show up in Explorer!
|
| I only have AlwaysShowExt, not NeverShowExt.
|
| When I create a zero-byte file with an SHS extension, Explorer
| displays the extension and identifies the file type as "Scrap object".

Huh. That doesn't work for me. Anyhow, I doubt I really need it for the
reasons I've already said. OK, thanks.

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
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Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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pcrrcp@netzero.net

ms · Oct 15, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:u1qmlYNLJHA.4796
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

Thanks for the data.

> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile]
> @="Shortcut"
> "EditFlags"=dword:00000001
> "IsShortcut"=""
> "NeverShowExt"=""
>
> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\piffile]
> @="Shortcut to MS-DOS Program"
> "EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00
> "IsShortcut"=""
> "NeverShowExt"=""
>

Using RegEdit, here is what I have:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.lnk

under it,
ShellEx, under it one folder B62E612.......

ShellNew, under it
Default value not set

Command RunDLL32 AppWiz.Cpl,NewLinkHere %2

But nothing that looks like your message.

ms

> Depending upon the program and its settings, CASE does matter....
>
> The change is at:
> IsShortcut
>
> to
>
> IsNotShortcut
>

MEB · Oct 15, 2008

ms · Oct 16, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:eDbHaVzLJHA.5060
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Is that 98FE/GOLD or SE?
>
> IF SE: Are you running a registry protection program perhaps?
>

SE, no registry protection programs

BTW, what MS patch effected the shortcut settings? If I knew it, I could
search about it, maybe uninstall it and Tweakui would work normally.

ms

Franc Zabkar · Oct 16, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:26 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style that
>matters.
>
> Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource hack....lots
>of information on and some nice tools for image and other resource hacking
>on the Net... don't forget to backup what your working on [and the registry]
>BEFORE you start playing around...

I'd already looked into it but decided it was too much effort, and
possibly beyond me. The icon editing/extraction software I had found
didn't seem to be able to patch icons into existing executables.

Anyway, I finally patched shell32.dll (version 4.72.3812.600) by hand.
The arrows can be eliminated by replacing the 128 byte block of data
at offset 0xFB5E0 with a block of 0xFF bytes.

I came to this conclusion by extracting the arrow icon from
shell32.dll and comparing it with the blank icon from tweakui.cpl.

This Wikipedia article also helped:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ico

This is the hacked file:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)

I'll remove it in a few days.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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PCR · Oct 16, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:26 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Yeah, as usual, its a toss-up. Its whatever serves your usage style
|>that matters.
|>
|> Franc, you being who you are, might want to try the resource
|>hack....lots of information on and some nice tools for image and
|>other resource hacking on the Net... don't forget to backup what your
|>working on [and the registry] BEFORE you start playing around...
|
| I'd already looked into it but decided it was too much effort, and
| possibly beyond me. The icon editing/extraction software I had found
| didn't seem to be able to patch icons into existing executables.
|
| Anyway, I finally patched shell32.dll (version 4.72.3812.600) by hand.
| The arrows can be eliminated by replacing the 128 byte block of data
| at offset 0xFB5E0 with a block of 0xFF bytes.
|
| I came to this conclusion by extracting the arrow icon from
| shell32.dll and comparing it with the blank icon from tweakui.cpl.
|
| This Wikipedia article also helped:
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ico
|
| This is the hacked file:
| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/shell32.zip (488KB)
|
| I'll remove it in a few days.

Remove it now! No one should kill his shortcut arrows!

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
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Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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Lee · Oct 16, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

On Oct 12, 3:29 pm, ms <m...@invalid.com> wrote:
> "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
> > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
> >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
> > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>
> From that link:
> ---
> 2. SAFER :
> "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
> shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts in
> any way, start Regedit and go to:
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
> and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
>
> In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut" String
> Value.
> Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read "IsNotShortcut"
> (no quotes).
> Close Regedit and reboot.
> The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected icons as
> shortcuts and treats them accordingly.

"
> ---
>
> That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally RegSeeker to
> search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>
> That key does not exist in my registry- ????
>
> Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers to
> Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any of the
> patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
>
> I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number, lots
> of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in 2002 did
> affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never patched for that in
> other W98 machines, never had a problem.
>
> Advice?
>
> ms

Look again under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile instead. It should be
there.

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/rtf/en/5285.htm
Q313829 is the culprit right enough. But it's more popularly known as
"Security Update, March 7, 2002". Used to be one could do:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=313829
and get the right information but that now leads one on a wild goose
chase to the wrong OS and the wrong update to boot.

Even
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-014.mspx
goes to the wrong update but with the right OS at least.

Best stick with the Windows Update Catalog in these latter days of any
support for 9x boxes and take note that this is really the only update
that is known more for it's alternate title than it's Q (or KB) number
- thank goodness.
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

But this patch doesn't have a go back method to it so unless you do it
manually, it can't be done. Shell32.dll is the only file added to the
system in this update so it's certainly simple if done in DOS mode,
but Windows will object as it's always in use.

A third method to hide shortcut arrows does exist and works well and
that is to hide the process dll from Windows so that it can't display
the arrow. Normally the Class CLSID\{63B51F81-
C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1} has an InProcServer32 pointing to the
shell32.dll file. But if one removes that text from the registry, the
arrows do not get shown - simple. No side effects in the past 5 years
that I've been running this one either.

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{63B51F81-
C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1}\InProcServer32]
@="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
"ThreadingModel"="Both"

Just remove the
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
text and you'll have no arrows. Put it back and you do.

dunno why no one wants to remember this one...

ms · Oct 17, 2008

Re: Tweakui setting question

Lee <melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:e0bc16b1-4211-467c-bcb4-3227009b4c82@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 12, 3:29 pm, ms <m...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772
>> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>> > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here:
>> >http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm
>> > DITCH THOSE ARROWS!
>>
>> From that link:
>> ---
>> 2. SAFER :
>> "To safely hack the Registry to permanently remove those funky little
>> shortcut arrows, without adversely affecting your program shortcuts
>> in any way, start Regedit and go to:
>> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>> and to: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Piffile
>>
>> In each of these folders the right hand pane has the "IsShortcut"
>> String Value.
>> Right-click on it, select Rename, and change it to read
>> "IsNotShortcut" (no quotes).
>> Close Regedit and reboot.
>> The arrows are gone now, but Windows still sees all the affected
>> icons as shortcuts and treats them accordingly.

"
>> ---
>>
>> That sounded useful, used RegEditPlus, then RegSeek, finally
>> RegSeeker to search for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Lnkfile
>>
>> That key does not exist in my registry- ????
>>
>> Then I noted some MS patches had been installed, the help data refers
>> to Q313829, I can't relate the app note number to the number of any
>> of the patches, planned to uninstall the patch if necessary.
>>
>> I searched for Q313829. I don't find a MS appnote with that number,
>> lots of hits in Google, but can only say that "some" patch back in
>> 2002 did affect shell.dll, supposed to cure a exploit. I never
>> patched for that in other W98 machines, never had a problem.
>>
>> Advice?
>>
>> ms
>
> Look again under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\lnkfile instead. It should be
> there.
>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/rtf/en/52
> 85.htm Q313829 is the culprit right enough. But it's more popularly
> known as "Security Update, March 7, 2002". Used to be one could do:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=313829
> and get the right information but that now leads one on a wild goose
> chase to the wrong OS and the wrong update to boot.
>
> Even
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-014.mspx
> goes to the wrong update but with the right OS at least.
>
> Best stick with the Windows Update Catalog in these latter days of any
> support for 9x boxes and take note that this is really the only update
> that is known more for it's alternate title than it's Q (or KB) number
> - thank goodness.
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
>
> But this patch doesn't have a go back method to it so unless you do it
> manually, it can't be done. Shell32.dll is the only file added to the
> system in this update so it's certainly simple if done in DOS mode,
> but Windows will object as it's always in use.
>
> A third method to hide shortcut arrows does exist and works well and
> that is to hide the process dll from Windows so that it can't display
> the arrow. Normally the Class CLSID\{63B51F81-
> C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1} has an InProcServer32 pointing to the
> shell32.dll file. But if one removes that text from the registry, the
> arrows do not get shown - simple. No side effects in the past 5 years
> that I've been running this one either.
>
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{63B51F81-
> C868-11D0-999C-00C04FD655E1}\InProcServer32]
> @="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
> "ThreadingModel"="Both"
>
> Just remove the
> "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\SHELL32.DLL"
> text and you'll have no arrows. Put it back and you do.
>
> dunno why no one wants to remember this one...
>

Thanks, Lee

This is a backup computer for me, so I will save your data for later.

ms

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