Computer Booting Speeding

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Re: Computer Booting Speeding

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:58:51 +0200, Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OnKW%23rfLJHA.3764@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> You can disable these start-up items most like from within the software.
>> Alternatively by using Autoruns.
>>
>> A safer way than msconfig to disable / remove unwanted start up items is
>> to use Autoruns.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx
>
> I'm curious. What's "unsafe" about using msconfig? If the OP leaves his
> virus scanner (and perhaps firewall) active then I can see no danger.
> Furthermore, all actions are fully reversible.

For the experienced user msconfig is "safe" to use.
However, the authors of AutoRuns Dr. Mark Russinovich
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/techfellow/Russinovich/default.mspx
and Bryce Cogswell assert that "AutoRuns goes way beyond the MSConfig
utility bundled with Windows Me and XP."
I would argue that this particular utility is better, versatile and more
user friendly than msconfig. It may not be a 'pure native' MSFT product but
it certainly fires on all cylinders! Also, the inexperienced will find this
utility far more educational than msconfig.
BTW, 'native' MSFT products may not necessarily superior to 'non-native'
products; Windows Live On Care, Defragment and Back-Up applications just
stick out like dog balls :-)
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

Kayman wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:58:51 +0200, Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>
>
>>"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:OnKW%23rfLJHA.3764@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>You can disable these start-up items most like from within the software.
>>>Alternatively by using Autoruns.
>>>
>>>A safer way than msconfig to disable / remove unwanted start up items is
>>>to use Autoruns.
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx
>>
>>I'm curious. What's "unsafe" about using msconfig? If the OP leaves his
>>virus scanner (and perhaps firewall) active then I can see no danger.
>>Furthermore, all actions are fully reversible.
>
>
> For the experienced user msconfig is "safe" to use.
> However, the authors of AutoRuns Dr. Mark Russinovich
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/techfellow/Russinovich/default.mspx
> and Bryce Cogswell assert that "AutoRuns goes way beyond the MSConfig
> utility bundled with Windows Me and XP."
> I would argue that this particular utility is better, versatile and more
> user friendly than msconfig. It may not be a 'pure native' MSFT product but
> it certainly fires on all cylinders! Also, the inexperienced will find this
> utility far more educational than msconfig.
> BTW, 'native' MSFT products may not necessarily superior to 'non-native'
> products; Windows Live On Care, Defragment and Back-Up applications just
> stick out like dog balls :-)

That is all true but it doesn't mean that Autoruns is completely safe to
use, one wrong move in there and the computer may not reboot or the
computer may not fire on all cylinders when it does reboots! People who
use Autoruns should pay attention to what they are disabling or they may
quickly get themselves in a fine mess, certainly novices and less
experienced users need to be careful when using this utility and they
should not be led to believe that making changes with this utility is
completely safe, it isn't!

John
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

Daave

My choice of words seems to have generated some debate. All changes are
to a certain extent unsafe, especially when the user is inexperienced.
Your point is well made. I think I may slightly amend my standard
message to place more emphasisis on disabling over using the delete
option.

Where Autoruns scores is that it provides a more complete list than
msconfig. The interface is also more user friendly and, as someone else
has pointed out, it can contribute to the user learning more about
individual entries. However, I do not feel that either Autoruns or
Msconfig should be used to change service settings. It is better to
access the list of Services in Administrative Tools to do this.

The delete option is not reversible so the user needs to be certain that
removal is the right thing to do. Disabling as an intermediate step is
sensible if the user is unsure. It's use is most appropriate when the
uninstall option of software has left remnants. It is not in my view
appropriate for system items. What is a "system item" could lead us to
long debate and I suggest that is left for another occasion.


--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Daave wrote:
> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23NpYqdiLJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> Daave wrote:
>>> Gerry wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> A safer way than msconfig to disable / remove unwanted start up
>>>>>> items is to use Autoruns.
>>>
>>> Pegasus wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm curious. What's "unsafe" about using msconfig? If the OP
>>>>> leaves his virus scanner (and perhaps firewall) active then I can
>>>>> see no danger. Furthermore, all actions are fully reversible.
>>>
>>> Gerry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Removal using Autoruns is less likely to lead to problems leading
>>>> to a damaged registry.
>>>
>>> Since all msconfig actions are fully reversible, how is using it
>>> more likely to result in a damaged registry? I can see how it may
>>> result in
>>> junk entries. That is, if you use msconfig to disable a startup
>>> program like qttask, you will eventually get another entry for it
>>> that is enabled. But I'm not sure this causes any actual damage!
>
>> You can disable but not remove an item. To remove an item the
>> user is tempted to use regedit to remove the unwanted item. This can
>> lead to serious problems for an inexperienced user if they get it
>> wrong.
>
> If an inexperienced user is tempted to use regedit, I see this more
> as a case of PEBKAC. I think that Autoruns is a more thorough utility
> than msconfig, but I wouldn't say it's safer. Although I hear what
> you're saying, I just can't make the leap to assign the blame to
> msconfig. Cars may be more dangerous if the driver is drunk, but it's
> not the car that made the driver drink!
>
> Does Autoruns have the ability to undo the deletion of an entry? If
> not, I would like to suggest a program that does:
>
> Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel:
> http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml
>
> Then again, the ability to undo the delete disappears if another step
> is deliberately taken (similar to the idea of emptying the Recycle
> Bin). In this case, Pegasus raises a good point: Msconfig makes it
> impossible to delete a startup item or service. It's always waiting
> in the wings to be re-enabled if the user has a change of heart. In
> the final analysis, that might be safer (or just more convenient).
>
> That being said, I still like Autoruns!
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

Pegasus

My original post was to help Shrikant solve his problem. I did not
invite a minute examination and line by questioning of my approach by
another expert. You decided to do that and I do not see why I should
rollover without answering the very detailed points you made. Given that
I did not initiate or seek an exchange it is hard to see how you see my
response as trying to score points. It was a rebuttal of your detailed
critique of my post.

I will look into your step by step approach to using msconfig in
conjunction with time. Thank you. It is not something I have thought to
try.

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Obr9RelLJHA.2164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> xxxx See below
>>
>
> Since this appears to develop into a point scoring exercise, I won't
> continue with this thread other than answering your repeated question
> "how do you know". To see how msconfig operates, I recommend you do
> this:
> 1. Launch regedit.exe.
> 2. Locate a specific service, e.g. Windows Time. Its details are
> located here.
> HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time
> 3. Examine the msconfig location here:
> HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig
> Note that the Windows Time service is absent.
> 4. Use msconfig to deactivate Windows Time.
> 5. Look at the two above registry location. The Windows Time service
> was moved from the Services key to the MSConfig key. It is
> therefore no longer operative.
> 6. Use msconfig to reactivate Windows Time.
> 7. Look at the two above registry location. The Windows Time service
> was returned from the MSConfig key to the Services key.
>
> The same principle is used for tasks. It is now clear that msconfig
> will truly turn off startup tasks and services in a fully reversible
> mode. I recommend you repeat this exercise with Autoruns. I suspect
> it uses the same mechanism.
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding


"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Pegasus
>
> My original post was to help Shrikant solve his problem. I did not invite
> a minute examination and line by questioning of my approach by another
> expert. You decided to do that and I do not see why I should rollover
> without answering the very detailed points you made. Given that I did not
> initiate or seek an exchange it is hard to see how you see my response as
> trying to score points. It was a rebuttal of your detailed critique of my
> post.
>
> I will look into your step by step approach to using msconfig in
> conjunction with time. Thank you. It is not something I have thought to
> try.

You asked several times "How do you know?". I answered your questions.

If you prefer not to get involved in a detailed discussion about the merits
of one versus the other product then using neutral statements would be a
good starting point. Instead of writing

"A safer way than msconfig . . ." you might have writen:
"An alternative way than msconfig . . ."
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

Pegasus

I am interested in helping others, not pursuing the topic with you
because it is obvious your mind is closed. You have your views and are
not receptive to the views of others. That's the way it is with you and
nothing I can say will produce any change.


--



Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23DBEYmuLJHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Pegasus
>>
>> My original post was to help Shrikant solve his problem. I did not
>> invite a minute examination and line by questioning of my approach
>> by another expert. You decided to do that and I do not see why I
>> should rollover without answering the very detailed points you made.
>> Given that I did not initiate or seek an exchange it is hard to see
>> how you see my response as trying to score points. It was a rebuttal
>> of your detailed critique of my post.
>>
>> I will look into your step by step approach to using msconfig in
>> conjunction with time. Thank you. It is not something I have thought
>> to try.
>
> You asked several times "How do you know?". I answered your questions.
>
> If you prefer not to get involved in a detailed discussion about the
> merits of one versus the other product then using neutral statements
> would be a good starting point. Instead of writing
>
> "A safer way than msconfig . . ." you might have writen:
> "An alternative way than msconfig . . ."
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:33:55 -0300, John John (MVP) wrote:

> Kayman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:58:51 +0200, Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:OnKW%23rfLJHA.3764@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>You can disable these start-up items most like from within the software.
>>>>Alternatively by using Autoruns.
>>>>
>>>>A safer way than msconfig to disable / remove unwanted start up items is
>>>>to use Autoruns.
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Autoruns.mspx
>>>
>>>I'm curious. What's "unsafe" about using msconfig? If the OP leaves his
>>>virus scanner (and perhaps firewall) active then I can see no danger.
>>>Furthermore, all actions are fully reversible.
>>
>>
>> For the experienced user msconfig is "safe" to use.
>> However, the authors of AutoRuns Dr. Mark Russinovich
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/techfellow/Russinovich/default.mspx
>> and Bryce Cogswell assert that "AutoRuns goes way beyond the MSConfig
>> utility bundled with Windows Me and XP."
>> I would argue that this particular utility is better, versatile and more
>> user friendly than msconfig. It may not be a 'pure native' MSFT product but
>> it certainly fires on all cylinders! Also, the inexperienced will find this
>> utility far more educational than msconfig.
>> BTW, 'native' MSFT products may not necessarily superior to 'non-native'
>> products; Windows Live On Care, Defragment and Back-Up applications just
>> stick out like dog balls :-)
>
> That is all true but it doesn't mean that Autoruns is completely safe to
> use,

Correct, I didn't state the contrary but emphasized user-friendliness,
versatility and the educational advantage over msconfig thus making
AutoRuns a better tool to work with.

> one wrong move in there and the computer may not reboot or the
> computer may not fire on all cylinders when it does reboots!

Yes, but this is not unique to AutoRuns.

> People who use Autoruns should pay attention to what they are
> disabling or they may quickly get themselves in a fine mess,
> certainly novices and less experienced users need to be careful when
> using this utility and they should not be led to believe that making
> changes with this utility is completely safe, it isn't!

None of these utilities are 'completely safe'! Inexperienced users should
familiarize themselves with this utility prior engaging their clicking
finger; which really applies to all configuration tools.
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding


"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eyGIaxwLJHA.5692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Pegasus
>
> I am interested in helping others, not pursuing the topic with you
> because it is obvious your mind is closed. You have your views and are
> not receptive to the views of others. That's the way it is with you and
> nothing I can say will produce any change.
>
> Gerry

This thread is a perfect illustration of "Gerry's Law": If you don't agree
with me then your mind is closed.
 
Re: Computer Booting Speeding

"Kayman" <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:OraBGYyLJHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[snip discussion of pros and cons of msconfig and AutoRuns]

> None of these utilities are 'completely safe'! Inexperienced users
> should
> familiarize themselves with this utility prior engaging their clicking
> finger; which really applies to all configuration tools.

Very succinct and correct!
 
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