How good is SP3?

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Re: How good is SP3?


"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message
news:gi7hf45srtigpbb38mkttavb24ogbfm13r@4ax.com...
> >Not true. Many of the updates you get via Windows Update are called
>>hotfixes, and they are installed routinely; no request to Microsoft is
>>required to get them.

>
> Traditionally, and per Microsoft's own Technet statement, a hotfix is
> something you usually obtain from Microsoft, not Windows Update.
> http://blogs.technet.com/hot/archive/2007/12/27/something-about-hotfix.aspx
>
> - Thee Chicago Wolf


From your own reference above:
"To get a hotfix, you may contact your Microsoft contact or get it from
web (Hotfix KB, download center, Windows Update, office Update, Service
Packs , etc)."
 
Re: How good is SP3?

Ben Stevenson wrote:
>My automatic updates have downloaded SP3 and asking me to install. I am
>afraid to do that as I have been hearing that it causes problems to the
>computer in many cases.
>
>I would appreciate some expert advise.
>
>TIA


I'm not an expert, But here is my experience with four computers -- DON'T DO
IT!!! SP3 is HORRIBLE. In July MS admitted that SP3 was causing the
following significant problem: "Device Manager may not show any devices and
Network Connections may not show any network connections."

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=953979

Perhaps take advantage of MS's offer of free tech support for SP3 through
April 2009 (very secretive offer - I found it through a third-party tech
website - can't find it readily through MS support website)

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131


Which they started this summer after admitting that SP3 was destroying
computers. Bug the hell out of them! Call them, email them, chat them up.

See also

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717



Background about my SP3 problems, in case you care....

SP3 has caused both device manager and connection problems on three of my
computers plus a different problem on my brand-new fourth computer. These
four computers have different antivirus programs on them, and are very
different ages (5 years, 3 years, 10 months, and two days old), and one is a
laptop. They have very different softwares on them. There is no explanation
related to MYSELF or my computers that would explain why all four of them
would be corrupted by SP3.

Having figured out how to uninstall SP3 on my brand-new machine, I WILL NOT
re-install SP3 until I get really solid confirmation that they have fixed its
problems.

The brand-new machine seems like a pretty good test subject -- absolutely no
software on it except MS software and McAfee and my HP printer software. It
immediately screwed up on day 2 of its life after downloading SP3
automatically -- as in, won't install the remaining 17 updates despite
numerous times turning off, turning back on, go to Update website directly;
turn firewall on, turn firewall off; etc etc etc and --

much much much worse -- refused to allow ANY program to open at all except
Internet Explorer and Outlook -- Error msg for everything was that it
couldn't locate usp10.dll. Yes, you heard me right - I could run no software
at all except Outlook (which I don't use) and IE.

Ironically, googling for a solution (using the one program that worked - IE),
when I used the search term "usp10.dll" it caused IE to crash every single
time. What the...??

I even got that same usp10.dll error msg when I right-clicked on Computer and
clicked on Properties. Would not open "Properties" at all.

So today I did a system restore to Friday (two days ago) and everything works
lovely. I turned off automatic updates. Will not reinstall SP3, thanks very
much.

1) SP3 made my 5-year old home desktop pretty useless by causing it to refuse
to browse the internet (on either IE or Firefox) -- though my internet
provider confirmed I was connected and they could even reset my modem from
their office. The error msg was that one you get when you're not connected to
the internet (even though it indicated it was connected, and when I plugged
my laptop into the same DSL cable it browsed the internet just fine).
Tried to do system restore but no dates old enough were available. So Dell
said "reinstall the OS." On a five year old computer - No thanks. Ordered a
new computer instead. See above for how that has gone.

2) SP3 made BOTH of the CD-ROM/DVD drives on my work desktop (10 months old)
stop working. Dell sent someone to replace the drives. Nope, they didn't work
either. Found I could SOMETIMES get one of them to work in safe mode. Too
late to do a system restore to pre-SP3 date. Dell (Gold Tech Support -- yeah
right) said, after hours of try this, try that -- reinstall your OS. NO THANK
YOU. What else do you have to offer? Oh, try this XP repair website. Ugh,
warning this, warning that -- basically, don't try this at home. I need my
computer every day at work, can't handle this! Frustrated, I waited for time
to do the complete backup and OS reinstall. Then, lo and behold, two days ago
there was an automatic update from MS and now ONE of the CD-ROM drives works.
Good enough for now. Sigh.

3) SP3 made my CD-ROM on my laptop (3 years old) stop working. Sigh.

BE CAREFUL!!!! (By the way, if you Google this issue you will see that
Symantec is being given part of the blame, and I certainly have had other
problems with Symantec, but my work desktop didn't have Symantec when it
screwed up -- it had AVG -- and my brand-new computer had McAfee, not
Symantec, when it screwed up. So I lay ALL the blame at MS's feet.)
 
Re: How good is SP3?

Ridiculous. Millions have installed SP3. If your computer is clean you won't
have any problems.
"mdugan" <u47009@uwe> wrote in message news:8be9a15531507@uwe...
> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>>My automatic updates have downloaded SP3 and asking me to install. I am
>>afraid to do that as I have been hearing that it causes problems to the
>>computer in many cases.
>>
>>I would appreciate some expert advise.
>>
>>TIA

>
> I'm not an expert, But here is my experience with four computers -- DON'T
> DO
> IT!!! SP3 is HORRIBLE. In July MS admitted that SP3 was causing the
> following significant problem: "Device Manager may not show any devices
> and
> Network Connections may not show any network connections."
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=953979
>
> Perhaps take advantage of MS's offer of free tech support for SP3 through
> April 2009 (very secretive offer - I found it through a third-party tech
> website - can't find it readily through MS support website)
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
>
> Which they started this summer after admitting that SP3 was destroying
> computers. Bug the hell out of them! Call them, email them, chat them up.
>
> See also
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>
>
>
> Background about my SP3 problems, in case you care....
>
> SP3 has caused both device manager and connection problems on three of my
> computers plus a different problem on my brand-new fourth computer. These
> four computers have different antivirus programs on them, and are very
> different ages (5 years, 3 years, 10 months, and two days old), and one is
> a
> laptop. They have very different softwares on them. There is no
> explanation
> related to MYSELF or my computers that would explain why all four of them
> would be corrupted by SP3.
>
> Having figured out how to uninstall SP3 on my brand-new machine, I WILL
> NOT
> re-install SP3 until I get really solid confirmation that they have fixed
> its
> problems.
>
> The brand-new machine seems like a pretty good test subject -- absolutely
> no
> software on it except MS software and McAfee and my HP printer software.
> It
> immediately screwed up on day 2 of its life after downloading SP3
> automatically -- as in, won't install the remaining 17 updates despite
> numerous times turning off, turning back on, go to Update website
> directly;
> turn firewall on, turn firewall off; etc etc etc and --
>
> much much much worse -- refused to allow ANY program to open at all except
> Internet Explorer and Outlook -- Error msg for everything was that it
> couldn't locate usp10.dll. Yes, you heard me right - I could run no
> software
> at all except Outlook (which I don't use) and IE.
>
> Ironically, googling for a solution (using the one program that worked -
> IE),
> when I used the search term "usp10.dll" it caused IE to crash every single
> time. What the...??
>
> I even got that same usp10.dll error msg when I right-clicked on Computer
> and
> clicked on Properties. Would not open "Properties" at all.
>
> So today I did a system restore to Friday (two days ago) and everything
> works
> lovely. I turned off automatic updates. Will not reinstall SP3, thanks
> very
> much.
>
> 1) SP3 made my 5-year old home desktop pretty useless by causing it to
> refuse
> to browse the internet (on either IE or Firefox) -- though my internet
> provider confirmed I was connected and they could even reset my modem from
> their office. The error msg was that one you get when you're not connected
> to
> the internet (even though it indicated it was connected, and when I
> plugged
> my laptop into the same DSL cable it browsed the internet just fine).
> Tried to do system restore but no dates old enough were available. So
> Dell
> said "reinstall the OS." On a five year old computer - No thanks. Ordered
> a
> new computer instead. See above for how that has gone.
>
> 2) SP3 made BOTH of the CD-ROM/DVD drives on my work desktop (10 months
> old)
> stop working. Dell sent someone to replace the drives. Nope, they didn't
> work
> either. Found I could SOMETIMES get one of them to work in safe mode. Too
> late to do a system restore to pre-SP3 date. Dell (Gold Tech Support --
> yeah
> right) said, after hours of try this, try that -- reinstall your OS. NO
> THANK
> YOU. What else do you have to offer? Oh, try this XP repair website. Ugh,
> warning this, warning that -- basically, don't try this at home. I need my
> computer every day at work, can't handle this! Frustrated, I waited for
> time
> to do the complete backup and OS reinstall. Then, lo and behold, two days
> ago
> there was an automatic update from MS and now ONE of the CD-ROM drives
> works.
> Good enough for now. Sigh.
>
> 3) SP3 made my CD-ROM on my laptop (3 years old) stop working. Sigh.
>
> BE CAREFUL!!!! (By the way, if you Google this issue you will see that
> Symantec is being given part of the blame, and I certainly have had other
> problems with Symantec, but my work desktop didn't have Symantec when it
> screwed up -- it had AVG -- and my brand-new computer had McAfee, not
> Symantec, when it screwed up. So I lay ALL the blame at MS's feet.)
>
 
Re: How good is SP3?

Unknown wrote:
>Ridiculous. Millions have installed SP3. If your computer is clean you won't
>have any problems.
>>>My automatic updates have downloaded SP3 and asking me to install. I am
>>>afraid to do that as I have been hearing that it causes problems to the

>[quoted text clipped - 116 lines]
>> screwed up -- it had AVG -- and my brand-new computer had McAfee, not
>> Symantec, when it screwed up. So I lay ALL the blame at MS's feet.)



I see. You must know better than I. Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful,
well-documented response.
 
Re: How good is SP3?

You are absolutely correct. You are NOT an expert. Your advice 'DON'T DO IT'
is absolutely the wrong thing to say.
Your comment SP3 is HORRIBLE comes from someone with no expertise, is
fearful, and would rather complain
than seek help if unsure. Microsoft explained why Device Manager may not
show any devices etc.
Do you expect Microsoft to test their updates with every possible virus
program? That would take years.
I suggest you THINK instead of posting such idiotic scare statements..
"mdugan" <u47009@uwe> wrote in message news:8be9a15531507@uwe...
> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>>My automatic updates have downloaded SP3 and asking me to install. I am
>>afraid to do that as I have been hearing that it causes problems to the
>>computer in many cases.
>>
>>I would appreciate some expert advise.
>>
>>TIA

>
> I'm not an expert, But here is my experience with four computers -- DON'T
> DO
> IT!!! SP3 is HORRIBLE. In July MS admitted that SP3 was causing the
> following significant problem: "Device Manager may not show any devices
> and
> Network Connections may not show any network connections."
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=953979
>
> Perhaps take advantage of MS's offer of free tech support for SP3 through
> April 2009 (very secretive offer - I found it through a third-party tech
> website - can't find it readily through MS support website)
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
>
> Which they started this summer after admitting that SP3 was destroying
> computers. Bug the hell out of them! Call them, email them, chat them up.
>
> See also
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>
>
>
> Background about my SP3 problems, in case you care....
>
> SP3 has caused both device manager and connection problems on three of my
> computers plus a different problem on my brand-new fourth computer. These
> four computers have different antivirus programs on them, and are very
> different ages (5 years, 3 years, 10 months, and two days old), and one is
> a
> laptop. They have very different softwares on them. There is no
> explanation
> related to MYSELF or my computers that would explain why all four of them
> would be corrupted by SP3.
>
> Having figured out how to uninstall SP3 on my brand-new machine, I WILL
> NOT
> re-install SP3 until I get really solid confirmation that they have fixed
> its
> problems.
>
> The brand-new machine seems like a pretty good test subject -- absolutely
> no
> software on it except MS software and McAfee and my HP printer software.
> It
> immediately screwed up on day 2 of its life after downloading SP3
> automatically -- as in, won't install the remaining 17 updates despite
> numerous times turning off, turning back on, go to Update website
> directly;
> turn firewall on, turn firewall off; etc etc etc and --
>
> much much much worse -- refused to allow ANY program to open at all except
> Internet Explorer and Outlook -- Error msg for everything was that it
> couldn't locate usp10.dll. Yes, you heard me right - I could run no
> software
> at all except Outlook (which I don't use) and IE.
>
> Ironically, googling for a solution (using the one program that worked -
> IE),
> when I used the search term "usp10.dll" it caused IE to crash every single
> time. What the...??
>
> I even got that same usp10.dll error msg when I right-clicked on Computer
> and
> clicked on Properties. Would not open "Properties" at all.
>
> So today I did a system restore to Friday (two days ago) and everything
> works
> lovely. I turned off automatic updates. Will not reinstall SP3, thanks
> very
> much.
>
> 1) SP3 made my 5-year old home desktop pretty useless by causing it to
> refuse
> to browse the internet (on either IE or Firefox) -- though my internet
> provider confirmed I was connected and they could even reset my modem from
> their office. The error msg was that one you get when you're not connected
> to
> the internet (even though it indicated it was connected, and when I
> plugged
> my laptop into the same DSL cable it browsed the internet just fine).
> Tried to do system restore but no dates old enough were available. So
> Dell
> said "reinstall the OS." On a five year old computer - No thanks. Ordered
> a
> new computer instead. See above for how that has gone.
>
> 2) SP3 made BOTH of the CD-ROM/DVD drives on my work desktop (10 months
> old)
> stop working. Dell sent someone to replace the drives. Nope, they didn't
> work
> either. Found I could SOMETIMES get one of them to work in safe mode. Too
> late to do a system restore to pre-SP3 date. Dell (Gold Tech Support --
> yeah
> right) said, after hours of try this, try that -- reinstall your OS. NO
> THANK
> YOU. What else do you have to offer? Oh, try this XP repair website. Ugh,
> warning this, warning that -- basically, don't try this at home. I need my
> computer every day at work, can't handle this! Frustrated, I waited for
> time
> to do the complete backup and OS reinstall. Then, lo and behold, two days
> ago
> there was an automatic update from MS and now ONE of the CD-ROM drives
> works.
> Good enough for now. Sigh.
>
> 3) SP3 made my CD-ROM on my laptop (3 years old) stop working. Sigh.
>
> BE CAREFUL!!!! (By the way, if you Google this issue you will see that
> Symantec is being given part of the blame, and I certainly have had other
> problems with Symantec, but my work desktop didn't have Symantec when it
> screwed up -- it had AVG -- and my brand-new computer had McAfee, not
> Symantec, when it screwed up. So I lay ALL the blame at MS's feet.)
>
 
Re: How good is SP3?

>From your own reference above:
>"To get a hotfix, you may contact your Microsoft contact or get it from
>web (Hotfix KB, download center, Windows Update, office Update, Service
>Packs , etc)."


I can read fine and I know what it said before I sent it. Here, allow
me to make it evidently more clear:

Take the recent "Patch Tuesday" KB release, as pushed out via WU:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956803

Notice the statement: "GDR service branches contain only those fixes
that are widely released to address widespread, critical issues. QFE
service branches contain hotfixes in addition to widely released
fixes." GDR (General Deployment Releases) versus QFE (Quick Fix
Engineering).

Now...

Take a look at a Hotfix KB page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956588

Notice any difference? The word Hotfix is mentioned only one time in
the GDR patch from KB956803. How about in KB956803? Not only is it
plastered everywhere in the page, it explicitly stated on the top of
the page. This is not the case with KB956803. My contention is that a
HOTFIX is not the same as a general deployment PATCH as obtained via
WU. I don't particularly agree with the mention of Windows Update on
the Hotfix page I pointed you too only for the reason that SOMETIMES a
Hotfix will be tested enough to where it does become a general
deployment patch and available via WU. This is not always the case. If
you carefully examine the patches integrated into SP3, you'll find
HUNDREDS that were Hotfixes (as per KB956588) that never made it to
Windows Update or a General Deployment state. I'm just making the
distinction that a Hotfix is not always a patch or released as GDR.
That's all I'm saying'.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Re: How good is SP3?

I read the post from "mdugan" of 10/20 of all the problems he had and I do
feel worried. Some friends have also told me of problems. What would you
advise?
Thanks

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:OpFwY60LJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Ben Stevenson" <casiopie963@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e5NKgv0LJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> My automatic updates have downloaded SP3 and asking me to install. I am
>> afraid to do that as I have been hearing that it causes problems to the
>> computer in many cases.
>>
>> I would appreciate some expert advise.
>>
>> TIA

>
>
> I would say do it, but follow these precautions.
>
> Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
> http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/950717
>
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
>
> Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
>
> Download Windows XP Service Pack 3 here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
>
> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for Service Pack 3:
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gpr
> --
>
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP Outlook Express
> Imperial Beach, CA
>
 
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