Windows Vista Only Five More Days to Go!

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Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
> news:OkhSgotNJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B429EFA5150Athisnthatadelphianet@85.214.105.209...
>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
>>> news:#ZB7ZEtNJHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, it is very important to be updated or patched and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just the operating system but everything that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed on the computer. Windows has no central updating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> source and the user has to be checking constantly for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates to their programs or face the possibility of being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> key in your password. With Windows, you have to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OK" or nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel is kept away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>
>>> What is misleading about the above ? Nothing I see. Are you claiming
>>> that Ubuntu is not capable of doing those things ?
>>
>>
>> Which things? His original list? The stuff he missed out of what
>> Ubuntu will not do?
>
> Are you just acting like you didn't understand the question ? Or you
> really don't understand it ?
>
> But to appease you, what can't you do with it ? Tell me.
>
> That is, other than run s/w that is written for a different OS, or
> develop s/w for a different OS w/o running some type of virtualization.
>
> Which, incidentally, means nothing in this context, since really, s/w is
> but a tool used to produce/view some type of data, whether it be graphics
> files, audio, a document, an e-mail, etc. If a different application for
> a different OS can create/use/view/store/send & recevie the exact same
> data, then yes, it can do that task.


Read from the original post down and you will understand more the point I
was making which, I have to add, I will NOT be repeating..


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Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
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>>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>>
>>>> What is misleading about the above ? Nothing I see. Are you
>>>> claiming that Ubuntu is not capable of doing those things ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Which things? His original list? The stuff he missed out of what
>>> Ubuntu will not do?
>>
>> Are you just acting like you didn't understand the question ? Or you
>> really don't understand it ?
>>
>> But to appease you, what can't you do with it ? Tell me.
>>
>> That is, other than run s/w that is written for a different OS, or
>> develop s/w for a different OS w/o running some type of
>> virtualization.
>>
>> Which, incidentally, means nothing in this context, since really, s/w
>> is but a tool used to produce/view some type of data, whether it be
>> graphics files, audio, a document, an e-mail, etc. If a different
>> application for a different OS can create/use/view/store/send &
>> recevie the exact same data, then yes, it can do that task.
>
>
> Read from the original post down and you will understand more the
> point I was making which, I have to add, I will NOT be repeating..

Your point (whatever it was) is moot, once I changed the question for
your refusal to answer the first one. So there is no need to repeat it.

I'm guessing you won't tell me what you *can't* do with Ubuntu that
should have been on Alias' list. Because, other than the aforementioned
exceptions (did you understand those ?), there isn't anything.
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
> news:OkQsHYvNJHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>>>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is misleading about the above ? Nothing I see. Are you
>>>>> claiming that Ubuntu is not capable of doing those things ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which things? His original list? The stuff he missed out of what
>>>> Ubuntu will not do?
>>>
>>> Are you just acting like you didn't understand the question ? Or you
>>> really don't understand it ?
>>>
>>> But to appease you, what can't you do with it ? Tell me.
>>>
>>> That is, other than run s/w that is written for a different OS, or
>>> develop s/w for a different OS w/o running some type of
>>> virtualization.
>>>
>>> Which, incidentally, means nothing in this context, since really, s/w
>>> is but a tool used to produce/view some type of data, whether it be
>>> graphics files, audio, a document, an e-mail, etc. If a different
>>> application for a different OS can create/use/view/store/send &
>>> recevie the exact same data, then yes, it can do that task.
>>
>>
>> Read from the original post down and you will understand more the
>> point I was making which, I have to add, I will NOT be repeating..
>
> Your point (whatever it was) is moot, once I changed the question for
> your refusal to answer the first one. So there is no need to repeat it.
>
> I'm guessing you won't tell me what you *can't* do with Ubuntu that
> should have been on Alias' list. Because, other than the aforementioned
> exceptions (did you understand those ?), there isn't anything.


I stated it already.. read it again..


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Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in news:OkvCTsvNJHA.1488
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>> I'm guessing you won't tell me what you *can't* do with Ubuntu that
>> should have been on Alias' list. Because, other than the aforementioned
>> exceptions (did you understand those ?), there isn't anything.
>
>
> I stated it already.. read it again..

Just admit that you can't answer the question.
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns9B42BA568B4DAthisnthatadelphianet@85.214.105.209...
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
> news:OkhSgotNJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B429EFA5150Athisnthatadelphianet@85.214.105.209...
>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
>>> news:#ZB7ZEtNJHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, it is very important to be updated or patched and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just the operating system but everything that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed on the computer. Windows has no central updating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> source and the user has to be checking constantly for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates to their programs or face the possibility of being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> key in your password. With Windows, you have to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OK" or nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel is kept away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>
>>> What is misleading about the above ? Nothing I see. Are you claiming
>>> that Ubuntu is not capable of doing those things ?
>>
>>
>> Which things? His original list? The stuff he missed out of what
>> Ubuntu will not do?
>
> Are you just acting like you didn't understand the question ? Or you
> really don't understand it ?
>
> But to appease you, what can't you do with it ? Tell me.
>
> That is, other than run s/w that is written for a different OS, or
> develop s/w for a different OS w/o running some type of virtualization.

Why are you even posting? Since you can't run any software on any OS, you
have no reason to post. All you are capable of doing is posting.

Get a real job.
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns9B42CA5B0F81Ethisnthatadelphianet@85.214.105.209...
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in
> news:OkvCTsvNJHA.1488
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>>> I'm guessing you won't tell me what you *can't* do with Ubuntu that
>>> should have been on Alias' list. Because, other than the aforementioned
>>> exceptions (did you understand those ?), there isn't anything.
>>
>>
>> I stated it already.. read it again..
>
> Just admit that you can't answer the question.


I have already answered the question but it was not the answer you were
hoping for.. gee, that's tough..


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Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can only
>>>>>>>>>> deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones. Hence, it
>>>>>>>>>> is very important to be updated or patched and not just the
>>>>>>>>>> operating system but everything that is installed on the
>>>>>>>>>> computer. Windows has no central updating source and the user
>>>>>>>>>> has to be checking constantly for updates to their programs or
>>>>>>>>>> face the possibility of being compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to key
>>>>>>>>>> in your password. With Windows, you have to click on "OK" or
>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware. Unlike
>>>>>>>>>> Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a browser
>>>>>>>>>> like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the kernel is kept
>>>>>>>>>> away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu, or
>>>>>>>>> what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger. Why
>>>>>>>> is that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to own up
>>>>>>>> to your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If
>>>>>>>> you're one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows Only
>>>>>>>> software, keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of
>>>>>>> their friends use, and they can help each other out with problems..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all the
>>>>>> time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which you said
>>>>>> the Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than just CAD..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I didn't. I
>>>>>> said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the
>>>>>> panoramic monitors available today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>
>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>
>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>
>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>
>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said,
>>>> Pidgin will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which room
>>>> you are going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>
>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>
>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo Windows
>>>> Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available from
>>>>> the same store as people by their computers..
>>>>
>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those who do
>>>> probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too while
>>>>> one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu picture.
>>>>> You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what kind of
>>>>> service do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>
>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>
>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the
>>>> technical work that went into creating it, the bugs, the patches,
>>>> everything. That would take you a long time, now wouldn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>
>> Some do, some don't.
>>
>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from
>>> others because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin
>>> looks like. These people do not understand technical terms. They use
>>> visuals like 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>
>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>
>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT
>>> found in any XP installation..
>>
>> Never said they were.
>>
>>>
>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't use
>>> them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get your
>>> anti-MS message across.
>>
>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>
>>>
>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable at
>>> any level..
>>
>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run out
>> of a credible argument.
>>
>>>
>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other OS.
>>> Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu has to
>>> be released every six months. Each version is effectively a service
>>> pack.
>>>
>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for some.
>>>
>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs before
>>> recommending a platform change..
>>
>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone
>> without considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who
>> needs to get down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>
>
> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>
> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
> insulting part..
>

You don't reply to context and only do exactly what you say I do.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mick Murphy wrote:
> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as get into
> Yahoo Chat via it..

And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM programs.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can only
>>>>>>>>>> deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones. Hence, it
>>>>>>>>>> is very important to be updated or patched and not just the
>>>>>>>>>> operating system but everything that is installed on the
>>>>>>>>>> computer. Windows has no central updating source and the user
>>>>>>>>>> has to be checking constantly for updates to their programs or
>>>>>>>>>> face the possibility of being compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to key
>>>>>>>>>> in your password. With Windows, you have to click on "OK" or
>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware. Unlike
>>>>>>>>>> Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a browser
>>>>>>>>>> like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the kernel is kept
>>>>>>>>>> away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu, or
>>>>>>>>> what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger. Why
>>>>>>>> is that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to own up
>>>>>>>> to your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If
>>>>>>>> you're one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows Only
>>>>>>>> software, keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of
>>>>>>> their friends use, and they can help each other out with problems..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all the
>>>>>> time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which you said
>>>>>> the Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than just CAD..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I didn't. I
>>>>>> said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the
>>>>>> panoramic monitors available today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>
>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>
>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>
>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>
>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said,
>>>> Pidgin will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which room
>>>> you are going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>
>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>
>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo Windows
>>>> Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available from
>>>>> the same store as people by their computers..
>>>>
>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those who do
>>>> probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too while
>>>>> one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu picture.
>>>>> You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what kind of
>>>>> service do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>
>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>
>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the
>>>> technical work that went into creating it, the bugs, the patches,
>>>> everything. That would take you a long time, now wouldn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>
>> Some do, some don't.
>>
>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from
>>> others because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin
>>> looks like. These people do not understand technical terms. They use
>>> visuals like 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>
>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>
>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT
>>> found in any XP installation..
>>
>> Never said they were.
>>
>>>
>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't use
>>> them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get your
>>> anti-MS message across.
>>
>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>
>>>
>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable at
>>> any level..
>>
>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run out
>> of a credible argument.
>>
>>>
>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other OS.
>>> Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu has to
>>> be released every six months. Each version is effectively a service
>>> pack.
>>>
>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for some.
>>>
>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs before
>>> recommending a platform change..
>>
>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone
>> without considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who
>> needs to get down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>
>
> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.

Not true.

>
> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
> insulting part..

What wild claims? You refuted nothing except that you can go to a chat
room using YM in Windows and claimed it couldn't be done in Ubuntu,
which, of course, is not true so, sir, are making the wild claims and
have refuted nothing.

Alias
>
 
Re: Ubuntu Always Sucks

Re: Ubuntu Always Sucks

measekite wrote:

Snip lying crap that has been refuted many times but Yanaire won't reply
to the refutation and only repost his lying crap.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Alias wrote:
> Mick Murphy wrote:
>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as get
>> into Yahoo Chat via it..
>
> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM programs.
>
> Alias

And ICQ among others.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ge0e17$q6g$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it all
>>>>>>>>>>> comes from the same source and a little orange star appears when
>>>>>>>>>>> any updates or patches are available. It's a known fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> anti virus apps and anti malware apps can only deal with nasties
>>>>>>>>>>> that are known, not the new ones. Hence, it is very important to
>>>>>>>>>>> be updated or patched and not just the operating system but
>>>>>>>>>>> everything that is installed on the computer. Windows has no
>>>>>>>>>>> central updating source and the user has to be checking
>>>>>>>>>>> constantly for updates to their programs or face the possibility
>>>>>>>>>>> of being compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to key in
>>>>>>>>>>> your password. With Windows, you have to click on "OK" or
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware. Unlike
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a browser like
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is with Internet Explorer and the kernel is kept away
>>>>>>>>>>> and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu, or
>>>>>>>>>> what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger. Why is
>>>>>>>>> that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to own up to
>>>>>>>>> your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If you're
>>>>>>>>> one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows Only software,
>>>>>>>>> keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of their
>>>>>>>> friends use, and they can help each other out with problems..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all the
>>>>>>> time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which you said the
>>>>>>> Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than just
>>>>>>>> CAD..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I didn't. I
>>>>>>> said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the panoramic
>>>>>>> monitors available today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>>
>>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said, Pidgin
>>>>> will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which room you are
>>>>> going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>>
>>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo Windows
>>>>> Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available from the
>>>>>> same store as people by their computers..
>>>>>
>>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those who do
>>>>> probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too while
>>>>>> one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu picture.
>>>>>> You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what kind of service
>>>>>> do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>>
>>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the technical
>>>>> work that went into creating it, the bugs, the patches, everything.
>>>>> That would take you a long time, now wouldn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>>
>>> Some do, some don't.
>>>
>>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from others
>>>> because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin looks like.
>>>> These people do not understand technical terms. They use visuals like
>>>> 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>>
>>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>>
>>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT found
>>>> in any XP installation..
>>>
>>> Never said they were.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't use
>>>> them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get your
>>>> anti-MS message across.
>>>
>>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable at
>>>> any level..
>>>
>>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run out
>>> of a credible argument.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other OS.
>>>> Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu has to be
>>>> released every six months. Each version is effectively a service pack.
>>>>
>>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for some.
>>>>
>>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs before
>>>> recommending a platform change..
>>>
>>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone without
>>> considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who needs to get
>>> down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>
>>
>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>
> Not true.
>
>>
>> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
>> insulting part..
>
> What wild claims? You refuted nothing except that you can go to a chat
> room using YM in Windows and claimed it couldn't be done in Ubuntu, which,
> of course, is not true so, sir, are making the wild claims and have
> refuted nothing.
>
> Alias
>>


You can't read and comprehend.. read what I said again, but do it slowly..


--
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How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ge0ej1$s4h$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Alias wrote:
>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as get
>>> into Yahoo Chat via it..
>>
>> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM
>> programs.
>>
>> Alias
>
> And ICQ among others.
>
> Alias


But users of the various messengers want what their friends have..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ge0ej1$s4h$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as
>>>> get into Yahoo Chat via it..
>>>
>>>
>>> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM
>>> programs.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> And ICQ among others.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
>
> But users of the various messengers want what their friends have..
>
>
That is just far to complicated for alias to deal with.
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ge0e17$q6g$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are
>>>>>>>>>>>> twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can
>>>>>>>>>>>> only deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, it is very important to be updated or patched and not
>>>>>>>>>>>> just the operating system but everything that is installed
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the computer. Windows has no central updating source and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the user has to be checking constantly for updates to their
>>>>>>>>>>>> programs or face the possibility of being compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> key in your password. With Windows, you have to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>> "OK" or nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> browser like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel is kept away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu,
>>>>>>>>>>> or what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>> Why is that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to
>>>>>>>>>> own up to your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If
>>>>>>>>>> you're one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows Only
>>>>>>>>>> software, keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of
>>>>>>>>> their friends use, and they can help each other out with
>>>>>>>>> problems..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all the
>>>>>>>> time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which you said
>>>>>>>> the Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than just
>>>>>>>>> CAD..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I didn't.
>>>>>>>> I said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the
>>>>>>>> panoramic monitors available today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said,
>>>>>> Pidgin will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which
>>>>>> room you are going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo
>>>>>> Windows Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available from
>>>>>>> the same store as people by their computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those who
>>>>>> do probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too
>>>>>>> while one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu
>>>>>>> picture. You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what
>>>>>>> kind of service do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the
>>>>>> technical work that went into creating it, the bugs, the patches,
>>>>>> everything. That would take you a long time, now wouldn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>>>
>>>> Some do, some don't.
>>>>
>>>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from
>>>>> others because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin
>>>>> looks like. These people do not understand technical terms. They
>>>>> use visuals like 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>>>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT
>>>>> found in any XP installation..
>>>>
>>>> Never said they were.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't use
>>>>> them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get your
>>>>> anti-MS message across.
>>>>
>>>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable
>>>>> at any level..
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run
>>>> out of a credible argument.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other OS.
>>>>> Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu has
>>>>> to be released every six months. Each version is effectively a
>>>>> service pack.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for
>>>>> some.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs
>>>>> before recommending a platform change..
>>>>
>>>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone
>>>> without considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who
>>>> needs to get down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>
>> Not true.
>>
>>>
>>> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
>>> insulting part..
>>
>> What wild claims? You refuted nothing except that you can go to a chat
>> room using YM in Windows and claimed it couldn't be done in Ubuntu,
>> which, of course, is not true so, sir, are making the wild claims and
>> have refuted nothing.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>
>
> You can't read and comprehend.. read what I said again, but do it slowly..
>
>

Shall we call you Palin now that you've established that you won't reply
to content and never, ever, answer a straight question with a straight
answer?

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ge0ej1$s4h$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as
>>>> get into Yahoo Chat via it..
>>>
>>> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM
>>> programs.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> And ICQ among others.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> But users of the various messengers want what their friends have..
>
>

Another sweeping generalization. I have friends who use ICQ. I have
other friends who use Windows Live Messenger and yet others who use AIM
or Yahoo. With Pidgin, I can IM with all of them and only use one
program. And, as Windows Live Messenger is one of the main sources of
malware and screws up XP's defrag, they would be better off getting
their friends to use Ubuntu.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Frank wrote:
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ge0ej1$s4h$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as
>>>>> get into Yahoo Chat via it..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM
>>>> programs.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> And ICQ among others.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> But users of the various messengers want what their friends have..
>>
>>
> That is just far to complicated for alias to deal with.

No, Ubuntu is far too complicated for either of you to deal with.

Alias
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ge1h0k$747$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ge0ej1$s4h$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>>>> Alias, you get your Yahoo mail through Yahoo Messenger, as well as get
>>>>> into Yahoo Chat via it..
>>>>
>>>> And with Pidgin you can do the same thing with MSN, Yahoo and AIM
>>>> programs.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> And ICQ among others.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> But users of the various messengers want what their friends have..
>>
>>
>
> Another sweeping generalization. I have friends who use ICQ. I have other
> friends who use Windows Live Messenger and yet others who use AIM or
> Yahoo. With Pidgin, I can IM with all of them and only use one program.
> And, as Windows Live Messenger is one of the main sources of malware and
> screws up XP's defrag, they would be better off getting their friends to
> use Ubuntu.
>
> Alias


No sweeping generalization at all. You should get yourself in a chat room
and try to sell yourself there..

Why not get them to use Trillian? I have tried and failed because people
want what others have got. They feel safer that way..


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Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

"Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ge1grb$747$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ge0e17$q6g$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones. Hence, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is very important to be updated or patched and not just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system but everything that is installed on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. Windows has no central updating source and the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be checking constantly for updates to their programs or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> face the possibility of being compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to key
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your password. With Windows, you have to click on "OK" or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by malware. Unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows, the Linux kernel is not intertwined with a browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Windows is with Internet Explorer and the kernel is kept
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away and protected from the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger. Why
>>>>>>>>>>> is that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to own up
>>>>>>>>>>> to your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If
>>>>>>>>>>> you're one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows Only
>>>>>>>>>>> software, keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of
>>>>>>>>>> their friends use, and they can help each other out with
>>>>>>>>>> problems..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all the
>>>>>>>>> time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which you said
>>>>>>>>> the Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than just
>>>>>>>>>> CAD..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I didn't. I
>>>>>>>>> said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the
>>>>>>>>> panoramic monitors available today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said,
>>>>>>> Pidgin will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which room
>>>>>>> you are going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo Windows
>>>>>>> Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available from
>>>>>>>> the same store as people by their computers..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those who do
>>>>>>> probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too while
>>>>>>>> one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu picture.
>>>>>>>> You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what kind of
>>>>>>>> service do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the
>>>>>>> technical work that went into creating it, the bugs, the patches,
>>>>>>> everything. That would take you a long time, now wouldn't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>>>>
>>>>> Some do, some don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from
>>>>>> others because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin
>>>>>> looks like. These people do not understand technical terms. They use
>>>>>> visuals like 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>>>>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT
>>>>>> found in any XP installation..
>>>>>
>>>>> Never said they were.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't use
>>>>>> them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get your
>>>>>> anti-MS message across.
>>>>>
>>>>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable at
>>>>>> any level..
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run out
>>>>> of a credible argument.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other OS.
>>>>>> Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu has to
>>>>>> be released every six months. Each version is effectively a service
>>>>>> pack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for
>>>>>> some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs before
>>>>>> recommending a platform change..
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone
>>>>> without considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who
>>>>> needs to get down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>
>>> Not true.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
>>>> insulting part..
>>>
>>> What wild claims? You refuted nothing except that you can go to a chat
>>> room using YM in Windows and claimed it couldn't be done in Ubuntu,
>>> which, of course, is not true so, sir, are making the wild claims and
>>> have refuted nothing.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>
>>
>> You can't read and comprehend.. read what I said again, but do it
>> slowly..
>>
>>
>
> Shall we call you Palin now that you've established that you won't reply
> to content and never, ever, answer a straight question with a straight
> answer?
>
> Alias


You and your little friend twisted and turned away from what was originally
stated. You were the ones who couldn't come up with a straight answer..

I don't worry about it because others can see what you are doing. Now, run
along back to your favourite pastime..


--
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How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Re: Only Five More Days to Go!

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ge1grb$747$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias ;-)" <iamalias@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ge0e17$q6g$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gdvoco$vl$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:gdvker$ar0$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:gdvfv5$c8q$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv7c4$tgt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gdv5qs$jth$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can download the new Ubuntu, Intrepid Ibex, from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surf the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burn CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rip CDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen to music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scan and print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presentations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML editing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a dictionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit images.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create .PDF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create and use a data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including Windows Live Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reasons that Ubuntu is more secure than Windows are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twofold:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. When *anything* in Ubuntu needs updating or patching,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it all comes from the same source and a little orange star
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears when any updates or patches are available. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known fact that anti virus apps and anti malware apps can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only deal with nasties that are known, not the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence, it is very important to be updated or patched and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just the operating system but everything that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed on the computer. Windows has no central updating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source and the user has to be checking constantly for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates to their programs or face the possibility of being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In Ubuntu, when anything wants to install, you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key in your password. With Windows, you have to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OK" or nothing at all as is evidenced by drive by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malware. Unlike Windows, the Linux kernel is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intertwined with a browser like Windows is with Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explorer and the kernel is kept away and protected from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the user account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have missed items out of what you can't do with Ubuntu,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or what is next to impossible..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You still haven't replied to my post about Yahoo Messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is that? Is it because you posted LIES and don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> own up to your mistakes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Programs you can't use with Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most video games.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialized programs like CAD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, if you're a gamer, keep an XP box around for games. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're one of the less than 1% of users that need Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only software, keep an XP box around for that too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People like Yahoo Messenger because it is the same as all of
>>>>>>>>>>> their friends use, and they can help each other out with
>>>>>>>>>>> problems..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No different from Pidgin. I IM with Windows Yahoo users all
>>>>>>>>>> the time. Neither can take you directly to Yahoo Chat which
>>>>>>>>>> you said the Windows version will and it won't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Programs that don't work with Ubuntu go much further than
>>>>>>>>>>> just CAD..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And had I said "just" CAD, you would have a point but I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't. I said "like" CAD.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, setting up dual displays is anything but easy..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't have dual displays, especially with the
>>>>>>>>>> panoramic monitors available today.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At least give people the whole picture..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to own up to lying about Yahoo?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yahoo messenger will take you into Yahoo chat..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Open Yahoo Messenger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Click on the Messenger tab
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Halfway down the list is ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YAHOO CHAT..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I stand corrected. I don't know anyone that uses it. That said,
>>>>>>>> Pidgin will do the same thing, albeit you have to know to which
>>>>>>>> room you are going. It will also do it for MSN and ICQ groups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check up stuff before typing lies..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said Pidgin can't do it and you were wrong. I said Yahoo
>>>>>>>> Windows Messenger can't do it and I was wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "like CAD" or almost any other commercial program available
>>>>>>>>> from the same store as people by their computers..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These programs are not used by many people. Period. And those
>>>>>>>> who do probably already have an XP box with it/them loaded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, most people don't have dual displays, and a good job too
>>>>>>>>> while one is sitting on Ubuntu..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't have the decency to give people the whole Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>> picture. You lack integrity and technical know how. Just what
>>>>>>>>> kind of service do you offer other than the obvious?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See above. I'm not offering a service here at all, other than
>>>>>>>> promoting Ubuntu for non geeks like me. No one is an expert in
>>>>>>>> "technical know how" and I have never claimed to be one. Do you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, give us the "whole picture" of Vista, including all the
>>>>>>>> technical work that went into creating it, the bugs, the
>>>>>>>> patches, everything. That would take you a long time, now
>>>>>>>> wouldn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo users help each other..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some do, some don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if one of them switched to Pidgin, they would not get help from
>>>>>>> others because the others would not have a visual on what Pidgin
>>>>>>> looks like. These people do not understand technical terms. They
>>>>>>> use visuals like 'fourth one along which looks like a phone'..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, the users you are referring to are your retarded relatives and
>>>>>> friends. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Programs and applications on the store shelves are definitely NOT
>>>>>>> found in any XP installation..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never said they were.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You tailor your arguments too much with this 'most people don't
>>>>>>> use them'. You don't care if they do or don't as long as you get
>>>>>>> your anti-MS message across.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Less than 1% is what I said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You deliberately mislead computer users, and that is unacceptable
>>>>>>> at any level..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I don't. You are lying, which is typical of MVPs when they run
>>>>>> out of a credible argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re Vista patches, yes, Vista gets patches, as does every other
>>>>>>> OS. Every OS has bugs, so much so that apart from patches, Ubuntu
>>>>>>> has to be released every six months. Each version is effectively
>>>>>>> a service pack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re technical know how, try calling in at your local Pharmacia for
>>>>>>> some.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might also want to learn to assess a computer users needs
>>>>>>> before recommending a platform change..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't explain Vista at all but you recommend it to everyone
>>>>>> without considering their needs. IOW, you're a lying hypocrite who
>>>>>> needs to get down off his high moral horse and join the rest of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend what is best for the user. You just mislead people.
>>>>
>>>> Not true.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All you do is make wild claims, which when refuted, you start the
>>>>> insulting part..
>>>>
>>>> What wild claims? You refuted nothing except that you can go to a
>>>> chat room using YM in Windows and claimed it couldn't be done in
>>>> Ubuntu, which, of course, is not true so, sir, are making the wild
>>>> claims and have refuted nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can't read and comprehend.. read what I said again, but do it
>>> slowly..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Shall we call you Palin now that you've established that you won't
>> reply to content and never, ever, answer a straight question with a
>> straight answer?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> You and your little friend twisted and turned away from what was
> originally stated. You were the ones who couldn't come up with a
> straight answer..
>
> I don't worry about it because others can see what you are doing. Now,
> run along back to your favourite pastime..
>
>

Yep, you're a Palin in spades.

Don't reply to my posts any more, troll, as you will not receive a reply.

Alias
 

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