Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem
"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message
news:46a21502$0$4735$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
| MEB wrote:
| > "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message
| > news:469ec6c5$0$16589$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
| > | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| > | > "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message
| > | > news:469bcc41$0$12188$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
| > | >> Rick Chauvin wrote:
| > | >>> Just a fyi & fwiw......
| > | >>>
| > | >>> Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play..
| > | >>>
| > | >>> ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get
| > | >>> shutdown problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise
the
| > | >>> drivers work fine.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do
better,
| > but
| > | >>> the shutdown problems were still there along with other problems;
| > | >>> otherwise the drivers do work okay.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my
setup
| > | >>> is back to normal with no problems per-sey.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> Rick
| > | >> Thanks for the follow through and updates Rick. No, I haven't had
time
| > | >> for the massive driver test (hope to sometime this week), so I
can't
| > say
| > | >> anything about the unofficial 82.69 installation yet. Although, if
| > | >> you're not having much success, I'm guessing I won't either. May
have
| > | >> to try the 77.72 package.
| > | >
| > | > It can't hurt to try the 82.69 really, and just becasue I had issues
| > with it
| > | > does not mean you will since your setup is different.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >> FWIW, I DO think it's BFG's fault. They marketed this card to work
| > with
| > | >> older MB's, AGP and 98SE and their tech support didn't support at
all.
| > | >
| > | > I understand you point and support that.
| > | >
| > | >> Actually claiming to have conquered the shutdown problem on 98SE
with a
| > | >> different BIOS version on a different card during their own testing
and
| > | >> then - "allegedly" planning for an exchange with me. And that's
the
| > | >> last I heard from them. After repeated emails and months of
| > | >> frustration. Obviously they had no fix and were just humping me.
| > | >
| > | > Can't hurt to call them again, keep your position friendly but firm
with
| > it
| > | > though so that they don't turn off to you, you will get more mileage
| > doing it
| > | > that way - you know what I mean.
| > | >
| > | >> If the 82.16 driver package never worked with 98SE and the 7800GS
AGP,
| > | >> then they shouldn't have promoted that it would. Let alone
including
| > | >> the disc with the retail package.
| > | >
| > | > I'm not taking their side and just talking outloud here, but have
seen
| > | > situations with other software's where something would work for
hundreds
| > of
| > | > people but an isolated problem would only show up just for one and
there
| > is no
| > | > way for them to have known that until it happened. Keep the
pressure on
| > them,
| > | > lightly. Also, make sure you go through all the Shutdown links
around
| > here and
| > | > try everything first before going on since there were many things
that
| > solve
| > | > shutdown problems with W98 and some worked for others where others
| > worked for
| > | > some - get a handle on them all. Mine was somewhat different since
it
| > was a
| > | > protection error and so that falls into the next subject category,
but
| > it's a
| > | > reaction with my unique setup and the newer drivers.
| > | >
| > | > Rick
| > | >
| > |
| > | Hello again Rick and MEB,
| > |
| > | Well, no luck with 82.69. It wouldn't even install. Declaring a
| > | warning that read, "The driver installation package has NOT detected
any
| > | Nvidia chips in this machine!" Go figure. So, I'm back to 82.16 just
| > | to write this and the protection errors on shutdown resume. Any other
| > | ideas would be appreciated.
| > |
| > | I'll tell you one thing - I will NEVER buy anything BFG or Nvidia
again
| > | as long as I live!
| > |
| > | Thanks again.
| > |
| > |
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| >
| > To be fair, most manufacturers are in the same boat as we [the users]
are,
| > no Microsoft support, and per this discussion, no nVidia support. Same
holds
| > true for all the now *niche* manufacturers that continue attempting
support
| > for 9X/ME. So all that's accomplished has to potentially come from the
| > users... and geeks. Unless they are old established manufacturers, they
have
| > to rely on their likely inexperienced driver/hardware people.
| >
| > Okay, comparing the two files; 82.69 - nvagp.inf *verses* the 82.16 -
| > nvaml.inf:
| > They are basically the same [per UEdit32 side by side compare] except
for
| > the shortened *headers*, the registry tweaks, some added modes to each
| > card/chip, and more supported card/chips in the 69; and several empty
| > settings in the 16.
| > NVAML does appear to indicate that your card was a manual addition, as
the
| > cards between 6800 and the 7800 GS [your card] are not included [hence
it is
| > not an official nVidia universal driver, but another hack/attempt to
support
| > 98].
| >
| > If you're still into testing a potential driver and still have both
files:
| > replace the nvagp.inf in the 82.69 with the nvaml.inf from 82.16, make
sure
| > you remove all traces of the old 16 nVidia driver [which means going to
the
| > pci 640x480 VGA first], and try the installation with the newly modified
| > 82.69 version. Note also, that gives an older International version due
to
| > the inclusion of those International *Help* files included with the
82.69
| > file verses the 82.16. If you wish to spend the time, you could swap the
all
| > the newer files from one to the other...
| >
| > This will also likely *require* that you use the INF file to install
rather
| > than the setup or self-extractor/self installation , [unless the setup
files
| > are also swapped]... I did NOT test this though. All of the newer
"important
| > files" are the 82.69 version. [In fact, I still question why you got
that
| > installer error,, but ... heck if your really into it, a cut and paste
of
| > the reg tweaks from 69 into the nvaml, would just about make the two
infs
| > equal in that regard]
| >
| > Here is the standard install, though you will be required to un-install
the
| > old driver, then you should restart once more [after] to fully
installing
| > the default VGA driver [I usually recommend a start into Safe Mode also,
| > seems to clear and reset some extra stuff. Also kill the 386 swap file
from
| > DOS mode, so it can be recreated WITHOUT any potential residuals]. THEN
| > proceed to the nVidia install section using the INF install method.
| >
| > Installation instructions
| > -------------------------
| > Windows 98
| > ----------
| >
| > To prepare for installation of the drivers
| >
| > 1 Start Microsoft Windows 98.
| >
| > 2 Click the Start button, point to Settings, and click Control Panel.
| >
| > 3 Double-click Display, and click the Settings tab.
| >
| > 4 Click Advanced, click the Adapter tab, then click Change.
| >
| > 5 Click Next, click Display a list of all the drivers in a specific
| > location, so
| > you can select the driver you want, then click Next.
| >
| > 6 Select Show all Hardware button, then select the Standard display
types
| > from
| > the Manufacturers list.
| >
| > 7 Select Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA) from the list, then select
| > Next.
| >
| > 8 Click Next to install the driver, then click Finish.
| >
| > 9 Click Apply, then click Close.
| >
| > 10 Click Yes when Windows asks if you wish to restart the computer.
| >
| >
| >
| > To install the drivers
| >
| > 1 Click the Start button, point to Settings, and click Control Panel.
| >
| > 2 Double-click Display, and click the Settings tab.
| >
| > 3 Click Advanced, click the Adapter tab, then click Change.
| >
| > 4 Click Next, click Display a list of all the drivers in a specific
| > location, so
| > you can select the driver you want, then click Next.
| >
| > 5 Click Have Disk, select or type the path to the folder containing the
| > driver
| > files, then click OK.
| >
| > Windows should find files for your NVIDIA graphics chip. If Windows
| > cannot
| > find the files, check that the path name for the driver files is
correct.
| >
| > 6 If Windows found the files, click OK, then click Next.
| >
| > Windows copies the files to the hard disk.
| >
| > 7 Click Finish, click Apply, then click Close.
| >
| > 8 Click Yes when Windows asks if you wish to restart the computer.
| >
| > ----------
| >
| > Meanwhile, I think I'm going to look for other potential drivers...
| >
|
| Thank you for the detailed instructions MEB. Unfortunately do to sudden
| family related travel plans it may be a while before I can try it. Just
| wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate your efforts and even if
| it takes several months for me to apply your ideas, I will definitely
| post back and let you know how it goes.
|
| Thanks again.
|
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