ThePentiumGuy
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what on earth does that stand for
No one at this forum lately?
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PWNettle
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divil said:Senility?
Um. Yeah. My senses are deceiving me and it really takes ages to load these pages. Uh huh.
No. Im not that old and my faculties are fully in tact, thank you.
Paul
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What You See Is What You Get
Nerseus
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WYSIWYG = what you see is what you get, very common...
As for divils original comment about this site being "graphically intense", Id say thats mostly true. While the graphics are small, mostly 1k-8k, there are 84 of them (on this page). That means 84 connections back to the webserver assuming cacheing isnt working which, as divil pointed out, it probably isnt.
I dont think "graphical" means just JPG and GIF images. I would guess divil meant this website is very user interactive friendly with dropdown menus, hover images, quick reply boxes, etc. Those things all take space - 100k of pure source code for a simple 1 word post (I tested). There are certainly optimizations that can be made - using a separate CSS file rather than inlined styles for example. Some of these have been brought up in private - helpful comments that we all appreciate.
As for the original question: Why are there fewer people? I think someone (Bob maybe?) answered this awhile back. One factor is that its summer and "kids" arent in school as much, asking the questions they normally do.
I would like to hope that as time goes by, the more common answers or FAQ type questions can be found easier and hence less of the common posts. With a robust search available here and being able to search Google for posts, I would hope more people find the answers they need rather than post a question thats already been answered.
I dont think the original questions has much value by itself, other than for curiosity. I propose a different question: Does anyone feel like theyre not getting the answers they seek? If only 10 people used these forums but all 10 always found the answer they sought, I think the forums would be a success. As it is, I see most questions getting answered and generally in a very quick response time (within a day or so).
The other important question would be: Does anyone feel like theyre afraid to post a question? If so, why?
-nerseus
As for divils original comment about this site being "graphically intense", Id say thats mostly true. While the graphics are small, mostly 1k-8k, there are 84 of them (on this page). That means 84 connections back to the webserver assuming cacheing isnt working which, as divil pointed out, it probably isnt.
I dont think "graphical" means just JPG and GIF images. I would guess divil meant this website is very user interactive friendly with dropdown menus, hover images, quick reply boxes, etc. Those things all take space - 100k of pure source code for a simple 1 word post (I tested). There are certainly optimizations that can be made - using a separate CSS file rather than inlined styles for example. Some of these have been brought up in private - helpful comments that we all appreciate.
As for the original question: Why are there fewer people? I think someone (Bob maybe?) answered this awhile back. One factor is that its summer and "kids" arent in school as much, asking the questions they normally do.
I would like to hope that as time goes by, the more common answers or FAQ type questions can be found easier and hence less of the common posts. With a robust search available here and being able to search Google for posts, I would hope more people find the answers they need rather than post a question thats already been answered.
I dont think the original questions has much value by itself, other than for curiosity. I propose a different question: Does anyone feel like theyre not getting the answers they seek? If only 10 people used these forums but all 10 always found the answer they sought, I think the forums would be a success. As it is, I see most questions getting answered and generally in a very quick response time (within a day or so).
The other important question would be: Does anyone feel like theyre afraid to post a question? If so, why?
-nerseus
Nerseus said:
Not really afraid... but Its offputting when you ask a VB.Net question and there are constantly jabs and snyde comments made by certain people about the quality of the language (apparently based on past vb incarnations) or developers who use that language.
I dont mind bringing up a point, but just lashing out at any mention of VB?
I think thats more frustrating, but Ive taken some VB.Net specific questions over to the ExtremeVB boards (which arnt nearly as good for .net answers as Xtreme .Net) to avoid the hassle.
PlausiblyDamp
Administrator
Denaes said:
If you feel a post is offensive, abusive or down right insulting then please use the option to report the post to a moderator (cant remember what the links called). Although as moderators and admins we do our best to identify problem posts some will slip through, if you bring these posts to our attention then we can deal with them (and the poster if need be) much quicker.
Please dont let one or two individuals attitudes dissuade you from posting here - we would much prefer to have members who can post in a rational and level headed manner and as such improve the forums image to potential members in preference to overly opinionated and rude members (regardless of their technical knowledge).
Forum slowness
Im one of those unfortunates that have dial-up at home. I use an AMD 2800 with 56K modem and it takes 25 seconds per page (every page - and ive tried multiple browsers with cache-ing enabled). The old forum never took more than 5.
And Im part of the XVBT site and am one of those who dont complain -- I just dont go there as much anymore. Perhaps others are the same way. There is a similiar thread over there about a fall off in traffic after the re-skinning and the admins tried to trot out a bunch of statistics to prove no slowdown.
I think its both the behind the scenes stuff (PHP,CSS, etc) and the graphics (combined) that are contributing to "bloat". A "lite" version of the forum would be very welcome (maybe bring back the old version in a slightly revised form that it could be optionally used without disturbing the internal structures of the new version)
But the main reason I dont come here is that most of the people I deal with use Win98SE and dont see any reason to upgrade. Yes, you can run .Net stuff under 98, but they wont even shell out enough money to get a Win2K license (let alone WinXP) for me to develop at work.
I tried submitting a couple .Net sample programs I developed at home to the IT department, but they took one look at the size of the runtime and balked at having to install it over the network. *sigh*
But Ill keep stopping by now and then...hope to see more DirectX stuff
Im one of those unfortunates that have dial-up at home. I use an AMD 2800 with 56K modem and it takes 25 seconds per page (every page - and ive tried multiple browsers with cache-ing enabled). The old forum never took more than 5.
And Im part of the XVBT site and am one of those who dont complain -- I just dont go there as much anymore. Perhaps others are the same way. There is a similiar thread over there about a fall off in traffic after the re-skinning and the admins tried to trot out a bunch of statistics to prove no slowdown.
I think its both the behind the scenes stuff (PHP,CSS, etc) and the graphics (combined) that are contributing to "bloat". A "lite" version of the forum would be very welcome (maybe bring back the old version in a slightly revised form that it could be optionally used without disturbing the internal structures of the new version)
But the main reason I dont come here is that most of the people I deal with use Win98SE and dont see any reason to upgrade. Yes, you can run .Net stuff under 98, but they wont even shell out enough money to get a Win2K license (let alone WinXP) for me to develop at work.
I tried submitting a couple .Net sample programs I developed at home to the IT department, but they took one look at the size of the runtime and balked at having to install it over the network. *sigh*
But Ill keep stopping by now and then...hope to see more DirectX stuff
I have found a few .net forums and see this one as the better one of them all. I dont particullay like the ones where they give you stars or ratings and that stuff. It sort of takes away the purpose of helping others in good way and not just to get recognition.
There are sometimes I feel reluctant to put up a post because I think its something so simple, I should be getting it worked out myself. But in general, I have learnt more from this site than all of the others combined.
I do get annoyed at the posts who asked a question and then want someone else to code it for them, not so the small snippets but rather a largish function/sub that may take someone 30 or more minutes to perfect.
Speed wise I dont have any hassles. Im on cable and when it goes slower than normal, I just figure its the ISP having a lot of traffic at the time.
There are sometimes I feel reluctant to put up a post because I think its something so simple, I should be getting it worked out myself. But in general, I have learnt more from this site than all of the others combined.
I do get annoyed at the posts who asked a question and then want someone else to code it for them, not so the small snippets but rather a largish function/sub that may take someone 30 or more minutes to perfect.
Speed wise I dont have any hassles. Im on cable and when it goes slower than normal, I just figure its the ISP having a lot of traffic at the time.
alp0001
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The numbers show the facts of whats currently going on.hDC_0 said:
I dont think anyone has mentioned this, but there are options to turn off the "extra features" in the Options Profile. Try disabling a few of the visible post elements (like avatars)...this should speed things up a little bit.
As for me, I have no problems at either site. Of course Im using a fast connection though, so I really shouldnt say anything in this thread.
Divil
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PWNettle said:
It was a joke. Note the smiley.
Seriously though, youre not having any speed problems with the site. Nor are a lot of other people. Thats great, and youre very fortunate. However a lot of people are not so fortunate and thats something were going to look at addressing - even if we can make simple changes like moving CSS in to its own file so it gets cached, every little helps.
As alp0001 noted, one can go to the preferences and disable certain features which may help in some areas. The navigation template of the site will still be pretty heavy though, for the time being. Personally I enjoy seeing peoples avatars but am less of a fan of gradients, popup menus and other widgets everywhere.
To throw my opinion in to the other issue, and second what a few staff have already said - if anyone reading this _ever_ feels any reluctance to make a post here based on expected responses from other members, please send me or another mod/admin a private message so we can discuss it. We want to make this the #1 site for .net questions, both in friendliness and in technical knowledge of regulars.
If anyone ever feels antagonised or put down, make sure you report it. Us moderators usually notice these things but like anything, sometimes things fall through the cracks.
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