Games that are NOT fullscreen

Denaes

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I dont know what the fixation is on fullscreen. Ive always hated them. Thats the point of windows, to have windows.

Fast forward to me getting a widescreen laptop... now fullscreen games dont even work on my computer at all.

Anyone know of games that are NOT fullscreen? I prefer RPG/Strategy/Puzzle games that you can play in a window. Diablo II was great because of this :)
 
I think full screen is better. When you play a game you want to be immerse in it. You dont want to play and view your email, talk to your girlfriend on MSN (who would do that while playing ??:p)... games are made to be immersive.

Maybe some game dont need to be fullscreen (Civilization is one good exemple) but lets talk about FPS. Do you really have time to talk to your girlfriend while your snipping your friend at Half Life ?

Lets talk more technical... by having window... you can resize your window which means different resolution (of the window) so the game will have to support every size of the window and make sure theres absolutly NO GLITCH. This can be a lot of work... but even if they lock the window to a size... wont it be ugly ?

Full screen have been made to provide an immersion to a game and showing the window (not talking about background, start menu, etc. ) will simply be fully ugly.

I know some program can make a hard time to my computer my doing popup and (dont talk about old version of MSN who was poping you messages). But hey... when I play a game... its like having sex with my girl friend. I dont want to be bothered by anyone and by anything.

Some comments on what Ive said ?
 
Arch4ngel said:
But hey... when I play a game... its like having sex with my girl friend.

Some comments on what Ive said ?
Yeah, lol man, I dont mean to sound all Mr.Perfect and crap but u gotta watch your toungue a bit *shrugs* - There are 8/9 year olds lurking around (at least I remember last year there was)
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Well fullscreen/windowed... whatever you prefer. I prefer not to be disturbed while playing a game. Depends on the game - if its an RPG thats not real time, heck - put it in windowed mode and just chat away with your friends discussing what move you make next.

I guess its all dependent on the genre. Action/Real-time/FPSs are usually better in full screen. Strategy/RPGs could be played in windowed.
-The Pentium Guy
 
I dont know of any recent FPS games that cant also run in a window.
 
Pretty much every game out there can be run in windowed. Even games like EverQuest have hacks available thatll allow windowed mode.
 
Arch4ngel said:
I think full screen is better. When you play a game you want to be immerse in it. You dont want to play and view your email, talk to your girlfriend on MSN (who would do that while playing ??:p)... games are made to be immersive.

Maybe some game dont need to be fullscreen (Civilization is one good exemple) but lets talk about FPS. Do you really have time to talk to your girlfriend while your snipping your friend at Half Life ?
I find most games like that very droll. No offense to people who like them, but I can do without realistic realtime animation. Its probobly just me, but I get bored of them very quickly because the plot is normally non-existant or I just dont care about it.

I dont mean to knock those that do like those sorts of games. Thats just fine. Most people who like those games enjoy the head-to-head game much more than player vs computer anyway.



Lets talk more technical... by having window... you can resize your window which means different resolution (of the window) so the game will have to support every size of the window and make sure theres absolutly NO GLITCH. This can be a lot of work... but even if they lock the window to a size... wont it be ugly ?

Full screen have been made to provide an immersion to a game and showing the window (not talking about background, start menu, etc. ) will simply be fully ugly.

I know some program can make a hard time to my computer my doing popup and (dont talk about old version of MSN who was poping you messages). But hey... when I play a game... its like having sex with my girl friend. I dont want to be bothered by anyone and by anything.

Some comments on what Ive said ?
I have a widescreen laptop which means automatically 95% of fullscreen games wont work on my PC.

I also have two monitors. My 17" laptop widescreen monitor and 17" Flatscreen CRT.

I have two monitors because I like to do two things at once and/or spread out.

I watch movies on one monitor while I program. I program in one window and keep my helpfiles/ebooks/wepages open in the other for easy access.

Currently I have Visual Studio open to my "Test-Help" Solution, which I keep open in case I need to test out C# or VB code to help others on a forum. I have two documents open in MS Word - one is a book Im helping to edit and the other are the notes Im taking for editorial changes. I also have web browsers open and an mp3 player.

The last 4 games Ive purchased that Ive wanted to actually play wont even run unless I discconect my external monitor. Their "problemless full screen" is a huge hassle. It attempts to fullscreen across both monitors. Even if that 640x480 (whatever is standard) spread out across 12" high and 36" across really sucks. Even when I discconect my extra monitor everything is distorted because my screen is widescreen.

Doing it with an option or 3 for a window isnt that much harder once you have a game engine, mapping engine, ai engine, etc. 640x480 screen is still the same size to the computer wether it takes up the full screen or is in a window. It just means that on my computer itll take up 3/4ths of my screen and not distort.

Im not looking for full immersion and thats ok. The games I enjoy dont require that normally. a good puzzle game isnt any better/worse because I can watch a movie at the same time. My RPGs arnt any worse because I can go into my status screen and check my email really quick without wigging out the resolution and possibly corrupting my game.

Im a gamer, but not a video gamer. I play real roleplaying games in real life and I do get immersed into them. games on my computer are just something to blow off stress, relax or kill some time when my brain is fried.

Im just wondering, with 2-3 monitors becomming more commonplace (cheaper to get 3 15" CRTs and an extra 2 crappy video cards than one 23" CRT) as well as odd screen sizes due to widescreen laptops and the newer plasma TVs you can hook up to your computer, how the video game industry will change to accodate them.
 
wyrd said:
Pretty much every game out there can be run in windowed. Even games like EverQuest have hacks available thatll allow windowed mode.
VolteFace said:
I dont know of any recent FPS games that cant also run in a window.
FPS is first person shooter, not frames per second right?

Im sitting on two simulation games I cant play, Baulders Gate, Arcanum, 3 puzzle games where they thought it would be cute to go full screen...

You know how sad it is when I download a PSX and GBA emulator becuase theyre the only way I can play a game on my computer?

GBA is annoying because I love my SP, but I dont have a rom cartridge, so I cant play my game on my computer AND SP, its one or the other. I wish they had a way to download the saved data to your GBA... probobly is some expensive cart reader/writer...

For the most part Ive been playing older FF games on my computer... FF7, 8, Tactics. I have a few other "hardly touched" PS games I can play as well. But it just annoys me that I cant play some of the games that I love because I have an odd video configuration under windows 2000. windows XP Home handled my video solution a little better, but I had no IIS for ASP.Net
 
Perhaps there is some sort of video driver fix you can get or something. I have dual monitors and only the left one is used in fullscreen mode.
 
A tale of two monitors.

VolteFace said:
Perhaps there is some sort of video driver fix you can get or something. I have dual monitors and only the left one is used in fullscreen mode.
NVidia gives me the runaround. Because I bought it through Dell, its their problem. Dell gives me the runaround because its only guaranteed to work on XP and Im running windows 2000 professional. Besides they have no in depth knowledge of NVidia and what would cause/not cause that sort of problem.

When I got my computer, I had XP Home on it. I never used the 2x monitor because it worked awfully. because one is a widescreen and the other is a regular screen, it would cause the fullscreen to be larger than the display, causing it to scroll down and right about an inch. Also because it carried over the taskbar, the time and bar would constantly be gone and I hated having the screen scroll and jerk around as I navigated.

So I thought 2 monitors was stupid.

Then I found my old Windows 2000 Pro disc and put that on my computer. It was okay, but my trackpad and one set of mice buttons on the laptop didnt work with it. Again, no dell support as it was windows 2000.

I threw XP Home back on because I wasnt going to do any ASP.Net apps anytime soon. It was like magic. both screens were perfect. It seperated everything perfectly. Fullscreen would always take fullscreen on the computer monitor. It was kinda annoying that whenever I would run a DVD/video, the external monitor would automatically be pirated into a fullscreen mode. Made it annoying trying to watch a movie and try to do something. But the taskbar and clock were kept to the laptop screen. That was nice.

But alas, things come to an end. I thought I was going to start learning ASP.Net apps again, my XP Home got seriously wigged by spyware and spyapps. I decided to reinstall using 2000 pro because I had a cd with service pack 4 on it. That would save so much time vs downloading, installing and restarting 20 times with XP.

I got ALL of the up to date bios and driverupdates, everything. Now something doesnt feel "solid" about my installation and thats saying something since Windows 2000 Pro was my favorite OS. I used to be able to keep it up and running for weeks without a reboot. But this time its... tainted. It requires reboots, memory leaks abound. I see the IIS services hogging memory. Even worse, my second monitor is all wiggy.

THIS time, it decides that the only matching resolution is to magically cut an inch off the top and bottom of the monitor. So its like having a 17" monitor with a 14" viewable area. It tries to keep up with the laptop monitor instead of being its own monitor and makes text tinier and hard to read... kinda defeating the purpose of having an extra monitor for documentation.

I noticed that my configuration under Properties->Settings->Monitor (that controls resolution) is severely limited. NVidia software is providing 100% of the support. My taskbar is spanning both screens.

As I search the internet, I only see props for XP being native in handling multiple monitors and being truely top notch.

I also just found Cirri and some other utility that lets you develop ASP.Net on XP home. Im starting to back things up on my external harddrive for my move back to XP Home. Maybe thatll fix my problems to a degree.

As a note, the only fullscreen gaming fix I have is to activate both monitors, make the external one the primary monitor - then turn off the monitor sharing. It gives me a normal sized monitor for fullscreen apps. But if I keep both monitors on, it really distorts the resolution on my laptop and things look wider and squater.

So Ill probobly be making a move back to XP home...

I also have a beta (or is it alpha?) of Longhorn. Is that even worth me asking?
 
I played Baldurs Gate religiously (both I and II). I know for a fact they both support windowed mode.

As for drivers, just make sure you have the latest. Go to www.nvidia.com and download them from there.

So long as your computer is still under Dell warranty, they must help you solve your problem. Depending on the type of warranty you got, you can even have a technician come out to your house and fix it for you. 99% of the time though they should be able to help you over the phone.

Side note: Google.com helps me solve most of my problems. More than likely theres someone else out there with the same type of issue that youre having, and searching with google will help you find them. Youd be amazed on the info. that can be gathered with that lovely search engine.

As for things to try, follow this;

- Right click on game icon, go to properties.
- Click shortcut tab.
- In the target text box, type -w or -window at the end of the path (ie; "c:\some\path\game.exe" -w)
- Click OK.
- Attempt to start game.

On a lot of games thatll automatically start them in windowed. I had to do this for Diablo II (since there was no in-game option for it), and also Counter-Strike because the in-game windowed option wasnt working.
 
Thanks for the 411 on trying to get games windowed.

Bauldars Gate (DVD with sword coast) and Icewind Dale both wont install on my computer. At all. the Setup process just dies and hangs. Nothing loads or happens and I have to kill the process in my Task Manager.

Im almost afraid to try Fallout 1 or 2 (same company, but older games)... Maybe Ill try Arcanum or install some of the old Wizardry games.

Its starting to look like the only games I can get to run (win2kPro sp4) are pirated games (emulation roms mostly) and playstation games. Im half tempted to find a pirated version of Bauldars Gate online. I own the DVD and BioWare seems to have their heads up their bums in respect to XP/2000 with their games. They really have no solutions. Im sure some 12 year old cracker/hacker has come up with some solutions :D

I think its actually humorous that I have more stability playing playstation games in an emulator on my computer than running games written for the computer
 
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Sounds like youre in need of a reformat. :P The freezing on installation should not happen.

Call tech support and have them walk you through a reformat. Be sure to back up important files. :)
 
I know how to reformat my hard drive silly :p

I need to get a windows Key to install XP on my machine. Dell keeps telling me to "Repair" and Im like: "Hey, I get paid to be a computer consultant, network admin, computer programmer, etc, trust me when I tell you that a "OS Repair" will only repair certain OS related problems."

Ive only had this install of Win2kPro for like 3 weeks and just "feels" unstable or wrong. I dont know. When I use my computer, I get the feeling of how stable it is.

I want to install XP Home, all my programming software and ghost the hard drive to prevent having to download and install over and over. The good thing about a Laptop is that your hardware configuration doesnt change very often :)
 
Dell didnt give you the Windows XP key? Ew. Id demand a refund! :)

Denaes said:
I know how to reformat my hard drive silly :p

I need to get a windows Key to install XP on my machine. Dell keeps telling me to "Repair" and Im like: "Hey, I get paid to be a computer consultant, network admin, computer programmer, etc, trust me when I tell you that a "OS Repair" will only repair certain OS related problems."

Ive only had this install of Win2kPro for like 3 weeks and just "feels" unstable or wrong. I dont know. When I use my computer, I get the feeling of how stable it is.

I want to install XP Home, all my programming software and ghost the hard drive to prevent having to download and install over and over. The good thing about a Laptop is that your hardware configuration doesnt change very often :)
 
wyrd said:
Dell didnt give you the Windows XP key? Ew. Id demand a refund! :)
They say its available upon request. I got another "Key" on the CD Sleeve, which I thought was the key. But its not.

I remember some other OEM places wouldnt even give you an OS disc, but a system restore disc. Which ment if your hard drive crashed you had to send it to them or request an actual OS disc. Compaq did that in the past, but I dont think they do that anymore.

I dont want a refund for my computer. I LOVE my laptop!! I just want to OWN my OS.

I threw away my old win98/95 cds and all I have is windows 2000 pro and XP Home.

What with XP sp2 comming out and me finding a BETTER solution for developing ASP.Net apps than running IIS constantly, I want to give XP Home another shot.
 
Civ2 is probably the best game ever as well!

I brought my computer off Dell as well, and whenever i get a problem, the very nice man in india who doesnt speak English, always blames any problem on the fact i am running XP and not the ME that it came with. So if i know its not software related i just tell them i am running ME (as if?).

The tint was coming off my monitor screen, so i phoned up to get another monitor sent through, and intially he tried blaming it on the OS? Whats that about? Another time my Msoft mouse stopped working, i phoned up and they sent through a Logitech one - so i phoned back up and according to our very nice English speaking man (yeah right) Logitech and Msoft are the same company!

You cant get the license key? lol - makes you wonder why people pirate software really doesnt it? Its far less hassle!
 
speaking of windows vs. fullscreen. when you run a game in fullscreen mode does it use less resources if say in windowed mode.. same resolution of course. I wonder if your video card is still processing the windows gui as well as the fullscreen game.
 
neodammer said:
speaking of windows vs. fullscreen. when you run a game in fullscreen mode does it use less resources if say in windowed mode.. same resolution of course. I wonder if your video card is still processing the windows gui as well as the fullscreen game.
I know things are still running in the background, but arnt being drawn from what I can tell.

I know on Bauldars Gate which I finally got running, can run full screen or windowed. It warns as you turn it to windowed that itll make the game go slower.

::shrug::
 
That makes sense. I think there should be an option in Windows or Video card settings that when in Full Screen mode to either "trim down" explorer.exe or pause it while the full screen is focused.
 
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