US Election 2004

[ThePentiumGuy]

Both Kennedys and Perot (a group of very intelligent folks) opposed this family and look what happened to them.

Oh man... Politics is muddy.... I had no idea that things were like this even in todays world (sheesh, the world seems like a dangerious place now ;p)

Rifter1818: Im gonna have to say that your post is very biased. Heh, no further comment.

In my opinion, there will be terrorists, no matter what. There will always be people who hate each other, this is human nature. Although we can wage war on countries to stop terror, this will lead to a huge waste of resources ... sort of like a phyrrich victory - because terrorists, unforuntatly, will always exist. Theres no real way to stop them. So my opinion is opposite to Bushs, we must stay on the defensive against terrorists. While were attacking them, they could be planning a large scale attack on us. So, to wrap things up - the war on terror might help reduce the amount of terrorists, but (agreeing with rifter1818), theres a high chance that it will cause even more to occur.

Im beginning to notice that were distrupting the Balance of Power set forth by the treaty of Westphalia (I beleive). Ever wonder why France isnt supporting us in this war? There are a multitude of reasons, but I beleive that the main reason is that the US is gaining too much power (Im not saying this is bad, Im just stating a fact). As weve seen in history, well probably be attacked () sooner or later, by other countries which beleive that were gaining too much power.
For example, when France was about to inherit Spain (sorry, forgot the date), all the major countries in Europe (feeling that France was gaining too much power) attacked France and created the treaty of Utrect, basically claiming that the ruler of France (Louis XIVs son) cannot inherit both Spain and France, it must be passed down through different descendants. A quick comment on this, if this war does happen, I dont expect (nor want) it to be in my lifetime .

So, I beleive that putting down our nuclear weapons will be probably the best solution(hence, not upsetting the balance of power). That does not mean that we shouldnt stay on the defensive.

Now, about the whole Monarchy vs Checks and Balances issue - I agree with Jay1b when he said that 2/3 of absolute monarchs are corrupt. Checks and balances (hence, Democratic Republic) may be the best way to go. About the "placing power into the peoples hands" issue - yeah that would be cool, but imagine how crazy it would get. The government acts (or should act, according to Locke) for the good of the people. Theres a lot of information that the government knows that we dont - this is only for our benefit. Id say let the govt handle this... seriously.

Cest my 2p.

-The Pentium Guy

 

[rifter1818]

Rifter1818: Im gonna have to say that your post is very biased. Heh, no further comment.

I agree compleatly, note i started my post with "Im sorry im oppinioned so here it goes."[on a side note should have read oppinionated but thats my quality english at work]

In my opinion, there will be terrorists, no matter what. There will always be people who hate each other, this is human nature.

Very true, however if one wanted to really stop terrorists, they would attack them but instead would attack thier backing. A single radical leader isnt really that much of a threat, now if he has thousands of people backing him there might be a slight problem. Dont focus on the leader as the problem the problem is people (en mass) are following him. In other words instead of sending bombs send aid, make the general public agree with your cause and less of them will join in against you.

... A quick comment on this, if this war does happen, I dont expect (nor want) it to be in my lifetime .

One way to insure that it does happen in your lifetime might be [for the US]to continue invading countries with stratigic resources.

As for economic/goverment systems, my suggestion has allways been a community level (or maybe province/state level) elected communism (yes you can have democratic communisms(well more socialism but that difference is mostly in how communism has been slanderd to try and justify the cold war)) which then makes up a parlement like system with equality between each community leader and no "top dog" it might be harder to get some things done but it makes it much harder for large scale corruption.

 

[Nerseus]

I mostly skimmed these posts - no time to read them all.
For those interested, check out this link to Alex De Tocquevilles Democracy In America. While it IS a hard read, its very inciteful. The most interesting part is that it was written at the time the USA was "born", and from a Frenchmans perspective. Its mostly unbiased - hes no sure whether democracy will work or not.

Personally, I think it works as good as anything. Its funny to hear someone talk about power hungry leaders in a democracy... as if there arent power hungry leaders in any government (dictatorship anyone?).

I dont mind if no one reads this - it would be only fair

-ner

 

[mike55]

Europe would vote for anyone but bush...

 

[Nerseus]

I cant believe anyone whos seen Farenheit 9/11 would vote for Bush, or so Ive heard. I havent seen the movie yet...

If you like Nader or the "Red vs. Blue" series, check this out:
Real Life vs. Internet. About halfway through there are two sketches about "Talking Politics": real world versus the internet.

If you dont know anything about "Red vs. Blue", its NOT political in any way. Id say its about as far from politics as you can get and about as funny as it gets (on the internet). The full link is:
http://www.redvsblue.com/home.php

-ner

 

[ThePentiumGuy]

Europe would vote for anyone but bush...

Yeah, I can understand why...

I guess (im reading the results right now) that bush is the winner, its 269-238 or something.. bush needs 1 more vote from the electoral collage to win.

I guess you europeans will hate us now ?

I do beleive that well get some jobs back, but the majority of jobs will be sent to asia where the quality of work is the same, but you have to pay them a lot less. Seemingly, only the "needed" jobs will be here (doctors, lawyers, policemen....etc), and the "unneeded jobs" such as as software ...etc will be sent to asia. Totally understandable, but eh.. we need some plan "against" this... or spread some propoganda about government benefits if employers use americain employees.

I sense another war coming with North Korea [or possibly with Afghanistan/Iraq again]. If we do have those wars, therell be a major backdoor draft or a real draft... or the army will just create a crapload of advertisements and propoganda ;p.

-The Pentium Guy

 

[samsmithnz]

WARNING: Major Rant/ Steam ahead

The thing is, theres a difference between waging war against terrorists and waging war. Does anyway really HONESTLY think America is safer now that were in Iraq? Were breeding more terrorists there and other Arab countries that are pissed we are there than before. And I dont blame them, if America was aggressively taken over by China, wed all do the same thing.

And its not Arabs that hate Americans, EVERYONE hates Americans now, because of their foreign policies. Even Canadians crunge when they see what America is doing. America needs to leave the world alone and concentrate on its own problems, imagine if all those Billions had been spent on health reform or on ANYTHING domestically. All the jobs that could have been created, all the highways that could be fixed, all the schools that could have had new books, or the poor neighbourhoods that could have had new scholarships for disadvantaged kids.

All you ****ers out there who have big SUVs for no reason (except to drive across town to walmart) are the reason the US feels it needs to be in the middle east in the first place. The US needs to pull everyone back to the states and stop worrying about parts of the world that dont directly affect it. Why is the US being such a hippocrate about Iran and North Koreas Nuclear programs? Why do we think that their leaders are any more of nutcases than George Bush? At least those leaders (although they maybe admittenly repressive), havent attacked other countries on hunches.

Id understand if Iraq was Mexico or even Columbia, but everything about Iraq just seems so wrong. Greedy ****ing rich republicans is what I say.

Im sorry, Im really pissed today at Americans (over 50% of you), for making a ****ty decision. Im packing my bags up and moving to Canada...

Only time will tell what will become of this. :-\

 

[samsmithnz]

I do beleive that well get some jobs back, but the majority of jobs will be sent to asia where the quality of work is the same, but you have to pay them a lot less. Seemingly, only the "needed" jobs will be here (doctors, lawyers, policemen....etc), and the "unneeded jobs" such as as software ...etc will be sent to asia. Totally understandable, but eh.. we need some plan "against" this... or spread some propoganda about government benefits if employers use americain employees.

A lot more software jobs will goto India and China, weve just opened an office in India, where the MBA grads with the same experience work for 1/4 of the price researching. But not all software jobs will go overseas, there are some things you have to be in the office to fix, and customer service is becoming more important, some companies are pulling back those call centers because the level of support isnt the same, and its an important factor when buying computers these days.

 

[ThePentiumGuy]

A lot more software jobs will goto India and China, weve just opened an office in India

YES - Im indian.

Eh... I have a feeling somethings up. According to a (probably bullshti) statement made by Kerry, bush has accepted almost every bill passed to him, he hasnt vetoed one. It IS possible that he got elected because they can ... (this is really crappy wording but..) "manipulate" him by passing whatever bill they want. Blah.. Ill cut it out with my crazy ideas.

What we need is a "good" president, the presidents weve had so far are ... id have to say "Moderate": Bush Kerry and Gore fall into this category Id say. We just need someone who really does know what hes doing. I wouldnt call either of the candidates "good"... if i could vote, id choose the "lesser of the 2 evils" - which, imo, is Kerry (someones probably angry at me for not mentioning Nader ).

-The Pentium Guy

 

[Sc0pe]

What we need is a "good" president, the presidents weve had so far are ... id have to say "Moderate"
-The Pentium Guy

Find a way to bring back Ronald Reagan.

 

[neodammer]

The main reason for me supporting Kerry *yes I know elections are over* is because of the shere language barrier Bush seems to have. The leader of a nation should have superb language skills.

 

[DiverDan]

Bushs third grade language elevates his second grade mentality!

No sour grapes here...

 

[ThePentiumGuy]

Well what can you do now? We all can sit back and be entertained for the next four years!!!