UPPERCASE always from other units

[MEB]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units



"a" <a@libero.it> wrote in message
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|
| >
| >You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
| >actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
| >there!
|
|
| no, no, my situation is different
|
| That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT
| and I don't need it
|
|
| My situation is about only the first capitalized letter:
|
| I logged in XP, I created on XP drive the hallo.txt file
|
| I logged in W98 , in Explorer, it is shown as Hallo.txt
|
| I want it shown as hallo.txt (that is its original name)
|
| Note:
| Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly
| shown as hallo.txt

Beyond the issues related to XP and 9X in a networked or dual boot
situation:

Perhaps it would be viable to have you explain:
1. what programs you are using to design your pages;
2. upload your pages;
3. what type server your web page is hosted on [sounds like Apache or a
Linux].
4. whether you have access to, or can modify the .htaccess file and other
areas of the server.

In addition; from those knowledgeable:
a short discussion of issues related to MSDOS file names retained/handled in
XP verses 9X file/disk systems.
Though there has been a limited discussion, more exacting information would
definitely be conducive to resolving the issue.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[thanatoid]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

"BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in
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<SNIP>

> A solution to this could be scripted very quickly with
> about 10 lines of code.

God forbid a self-respecting geek would actually PROVIDE that
code for a user who has no clue about programming. It's just
about "I know and you don't", isn't it?


--
Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
on any computer in the world.

 

[thanatoid]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in
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>
> "thanatoid" wrote in message
> news:Xns99CCEED10481Ethanexit@66.250.146.158...
>> a <a@libero.it> wrote in
>> news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com:
>>
>> > hallo
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> > in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
>> > if their name is up to 8 char long
>> > note:
>> > if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
>> > lower case
>> > note
>> > the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown
>> > correctly
>> >
>> >
>> > How can I get the original lowercase filename
>> > from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>> > correctly displayed in W98?
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> Get a REAL file manager from www.ghisler.com
>> It will work forever in demo mode but I paid for it
>> because I could not live without it. Support independent
>> authors who write software that is your friend instead of
>> your enemy.
>>
>> I am PRETTY SURE your problem will disappear. Names appear
>> like you type them, and you have about 500 other features
>> WE can only dream of.
>>
>> --
>> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but
>> Vista on any computer in the world.
>
> First, before attending to actual reply. Your closing
> "tag", is that a fear, or a wish ? :-D

It's called a "signature"

Neither. I am just waiting and observing a pleasant future
unfold daily. I use 95B and 98SE Lite.

> Now:
> I had that program - Total Commander - long ago (before
> dual boot with XP), but had reason to un-install it

Didn't like the total control over your computer? Just like to
suffer? Insanity run in your family?

> , so
> therefore I cannot make any evaluation as to whether that
> would "fix" the problem that has been described.

It's a 1MB (or something) DL.

< However,
> at the present, I have looked at this uppercase naming
> problem via XYplorer, xplorer2, EFCommander, and other
> similar 3rd-party Windows Explorer replacements and they
> all (eventually) manifest the same problem as described.

That's because they are all modified Explorers, just like there
are 30 "browsers" which are just front ends with a few extra
features and eye candy (what's important *is* important) for
that OTHER torture device and spyware machine, IE/OE.

> Retuning once again to your suggestion: Am I mistaken in
> doubting that Total Commander would be any more successful
> at curing this issue than any of the other aforementioned
> file managers ?

Since I see no reason on earth why ANYONE except an expert
technician - who probably would not have started this thread -
would have two OS's installed on a computer (therefore, you may
correctly deduce that I have not done it) I can't answer that
question. You are going to have to do something yourself. I gave
you a good suggestion. Do what you want.

> I think there must be something that occurs when having two
> operating systems (on separate drives ?) and possibly
> because they are not hidden from each other (?) that's at
> the root of this. Obviously, I don't know the exact reason
> or the answer.

Who knows, who cares? If you want to avoid stuff like this, use
a Mac or Linux. They have their own problems, of course. I
learned computers on Windows 3.1 etc. so that's why I am still
using Windows but I would not install Xtra Problems or Disasta
if you held a gun to my head. I have *NO* MS "software" on
either system except the OS's and those are VERY heavily tweaked
with software by people who know how to program.


--
Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
on any computer in the world.

 

[a]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:58 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"a" <a@libero.it> wrote in message
>news:3nleh3djm606off750d08rrrs1j9581hqn@4ax.com...
>|
>| >
>| >You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
>| >actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
>| >there!
>|
>|
>| no, no, my situation is different
>|
>| That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT
>| and I don't need it
>|
>|
>| My situation is about only the first capitalized letter:
>|
>| I logged in XP, I created on XP drive the hallo.txt file
>|
>| I logged in W98 , in Explorer, it is shown as Hallo.txt
>|
>| I want it shown as hallo.txt (that is its original name)
>|
>| Note:
>| Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly
>| shown as hallo.txt
>
> Beyond the issues related to XP and 9X in a networked or dual boot
>situation:
>
> Perhaps it would be viable to have you explain:
>1. what programs you are using to design your pages;
>2. upload your pages;
>3. what type server your web page is hosted on [sounds like Apache or a
>Linux].
>4. whether you have access to, or can modify the .htaccess file and other
>areas of the server.

my hoster doesn't allow me to upload
files with their first letter capitalized and their names longer then 8.3
I can't change that in any way.

 

[PCR]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:10:16 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>a wrote:
|>| On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Tim Slattery
|>| <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:
|>|
|>|>a <a@libero.it> wrote:
|>|>
|>|>>How can I get the original lowercase filename
|>|>>from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
|>|>>correctly displayed in W98?
|>|>
|>|>I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
|>|>start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
|>|>See if any of the options listed there might help out.
|>|
|>| no, no, no, the situation is different
|>| (and your hint didn't work, and it couldn't)
|>|
|>| I log in XP
|>| I create a file with Notepad
|>| I save it on XP harddisk
|>| I name it "hallo.txt"
|>|
|>| then
|>|
|>| I log in w98
|>| I fire Explorer.exe
|>| I browse until I find the the previously created file on the XP
|>| harddisk it is displayed as "Hallo.txt"
|>
|>That is exactly what would happen-- IF you are unchecked to "Allow all
|>uppercase names" at "START button, Settings, Folder Options, View
|>tab".
|>
|>Explorer pretties up the DISPLAY of the name, by capitalizing the
|>first character & setting the others to be lower case. (But it doesn't
|>actually change the name itself.)
|
| AFAICS, your explanation is valid if the original file name is all
| caps, but the OP has stated that he/she saves her work using only
| lowercase file names.

Yea. It looks to me this is an XP problem. It doesn't handle file names
precisely the same as Win98 does, looks like. It isn't fully respecting
the advancement Windows instituted to provide the LFNs (Long File Names)
that Real DOS lacked! XP must be doing it a different way! (Now, I dimly
recall a distant thread that discussed this here once before-- but I
can't recall the details or whether there was a solution!)

I see elsewhere you said...

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| The DOS 8.3 file name would be all caps and the long file name would
| be mixed case. Maybe this is where multiple operating systems are
| becoming confused ??? Does this phenomenon still occur for file names
| that are longer than 8 characters? Is it possible that XP saves a
| short file name in traditional DOS 8.3 uppercase format without
| including a mixed case directory entry for its long equivalent?

Well, Roxana did post these possibilities for file names that are
affected...

Blabla.txt
Whatever pic.jpg
File1009.jpg

All of them will get switched to all upper-case, she said! So, this
phenonemon appears to affect both long & short file names. But when?
Does it happen even if the file is just opened to be read in XP? Or will
it only happen if the file is rewritten or renamed? I believe a (OP)
said the file name still will look good in XP, even after it has begun
to show up bad in Win98.

Hmmm... he may also be saying it only affects SFNs of files created on
the XP machine. I'll have to ask more questions of both of them. If this
is so, the problem may be that XP does not create a LFN for files whose
name would need it ONLY because it contains lower-case letters. A Real
DOS file name only can contain upper-case letters.

I'm trying real hard to collate both what Roxana & a have said & make
sense of it. What a puzzler!

 

[BD]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units


"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
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> "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in
> news:OrXbQMVEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> A solution to this could be scripted very quickly with
>> about 10 lines of code.
>
> God forbid a self-respecting geek would actually PROVIDE that
> code for a user who has no clue about programming. It's just
> about "I know and you don't", isn't it?
I wrote that code in 13 lines after I read the thread and would have posted
it EXCEPT that it's not written in a language that most people would be able
to use as a script. That is it's not vbs or js.
The only way for me to make it usable is to compile it to an executable and
for that they will have to ask for it. Then and only then will I upload the
file and provide a link to it.
>
>
> --
> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
> on any computer in the world.

 

[PCR]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

a wrote:
|>You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
|>actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
|>there!
|
|
| no, no, my situation is different

Yea, I agree with you now-- two things are involved.

| That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT
| and I don't need it

This means Explorer in Win98 really sees ALL capital letters in the
name. OR... it could mean... Explorer PRESUMES they are all capitalized.

| My situation is about only the first capitalized letter:

No. All the letters are capitalized or presumed to be capitalized. When
that "Allow all..." is checked, Explorer will not pretty up the name
(for display) by capitalizing the first letter & making the others
lower-case.

| I logged in XP, I created on XP drive the hallo.txt file
|
| I logged in W98 , in Explorer, it is shown as Hallo.txt

And I see you say, when you go back to XP, it shows up as "hallo.txt"
again. Also, you said earlier, when you create a long file name on XP--
it shows up just right even in Win98. Also, when you create one in
Win98, it shows up just fine in XP-- whether it is a short file name or
a long one.

THEREFORE... I think it is both a Win98 problem & an XP problem. When
JUST a SFN (Short File Name) exists-- Win98 will display it as all
upper-case letters. It presumes it is all upper-case, because that is
all Real DOS can handle, & it believes the name must have been created
in DOS. BUT Windows XP is putting mixed-case letters in there-- & NOT
creating a LFN (Long File Name) for it! If it created the LFN, Win98
would have picked up the proper case of the letters from there. Too bad
WinXP won't create the LFN when the reason to do it is only the case of
the letters! That's what I think it is! (And I dimly recall Blanton may
have said as much long ago too!)

The solution is to rename the file in Win98. Then, the LFN also will be
created, & the name will show up right in both 98 & XP. HOWEVER-- you
must also CHECK the "Allow all uppercase names" in the File Options of
Win98!

| I want it shown as hallo.txt (that is its original name)
|
| Note:
| Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly
| shown as hallo.txt

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[MEB]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units



"a" <a@libero.it> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:58 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
wrote:
|
| >
| >
| >"a" <a@libero.it> wrote in message
| >news:3nleh3djm606off750d08rrrs1j9581hqn@4ax.com...
| >|
| >| >
| >| >You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the
| >| >actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really
| >| >there!
| >|
| >|
| >| no, no, my situation is different
| >|
| >| That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT
| >| and I don't need it
| >|
| >|
| >| My situation is about only the first capitalized letter:
| >|
| >| I logged in XP, I created on XP drive the hallo.txt file
| >|
| >| I logged in W98 , in Explorer, it is shown as Hallo.txt
| >|
| >| I want it shown as hallo.txt (that is its original name)
| >|
| >| Note:
| >| Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly
| >| shown as hallo.txt
| >
| > Beyond the issues related to XP and 9X in a networked or dual boot
| >situation:
| >
| > Perhaps it would be viable to have you explain:
| >1. what programs you are using to design your pages;
| >2. upload your pages;
| >3. what type server your web page is hosted on [sounds like Apache or a
| >Linux].
| >4. whether you have access to, or can modify the .htaccess file and other
| >areas of the server.
|
| my hoster doesn't allow me to upload
| files with their first letter capitalized and their names longer then 8.3
| I can't change that in any way.
|

That leaves [per your part] the need for info on your programs used. Some
programs follow the Windows file naming scheme, others allow or convert to
lower case via options/settings.

As for the need for 8.3 names:
Often the failure is using *-* instead of *_* within a file name or having
blank spaces in the name.
Something like *my web page.htm* or *my-web-page.htm* fails, whereas
*my_web_page.htm* passes. Then there's always the user who tries to use
non-standard characters in the name, not realizing that the server may use
or add these for specific functions.

Most non-Microsoft servers generally follow the standards setup for the
Internet.
OTOH, Microsoft servers follow basic Windows ideas [yeah, let's let users
have web pages named like they see in Explorer on their systems, and as LONG
as possible [255c or more perhaps]. I have seen some page addresses almost
two hundred characters long [on Microsoft servers].... I mean REALLY, gees,
have they RTFM and RTFD on Internet standards... of course not, they live
in Microsoft's world of dreams ...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[MEB]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

Before this degrades into a um, whatever, how about *I* ask for it....

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message
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|
| "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
| news:Xns99CD810CED3C0thanexit@66.250.146.158...
| > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in
| > news:OrXbQMVEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
| >
| > <SNIP>
| >
| >> A solution to this could be scripted very quickly with
| >> about 10 lines of code.
| >
| > God forbid a self-respecting geek would actually PROVIDE that
| > code for a user who has no clue about programming. It's just
| > about "I know and you don't", isn't it?
| I wrote that code in 13 lines after I read the thread and would have
posted
| it EXCEPT that it's not written in a language that most people would be
able
| to use as a script. That is it's not vbs or js.
| The only way for me to make it usable is to compile it to an executable
and
| for that they will have to ask for it. Then and only then will I upload
the
| file and provide a link to it.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
| > on any computer in the world.
|
|

 

[BD]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units


"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Before this degrades into a um, whatever, how about *I* ask for it....
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
No problem
http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCas.zip

 

[MEB]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units



"BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message
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|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eS2zmkeEIHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > Before this degrades into a um, whatever, how about *I* ask for it....
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > ________
| No problem
| http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCas.zip
|
|

Thank you, that's much appreciated.

Interesting code, was it compiled on/for XP? I get a "linked to missing
export KERNEL32.DLL, GetProcessIoCounters" in WinSE.. noted the reference to
uxtheme [among others] in the file.

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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[BD]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Thank you, that's much appreciated.
>
No problem.
> Interesting code, was it compiled on/for XP? I get a "linked to missing
> export KERNEL32.DLL, GetProcessIoCounters" in WinSE.. noted the reference
> to
> uxtheme [among others] in the file.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
Interesting? Pretty basic is more like it. Like I said, it's 13 lines with
a file dialog and error handling included. There is really only 2 lines
that are required for the name change.
It was compiled on XP. I'm going to lay down for a bit and when I get up
I'll recompile the code for ANSI and post a separate link. I forgot to
change my auto-compile settings so it compiled in unicode.
9x systems do not have Unicode support but it will work fine on XP and the
OP has both.

 

[PCR]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

Roxana wrote:
| Try to answer here as best as, and as much as, I can at this time
| (I'm still in 98se and try to avoid use of XP as much as possible).

OK. But it's OK for you to drop this, if it's a lot of trouble going
back/forth. It seems you are happy enough just to rename them in Win98--
which I think is the only cure, anyhow. More below.

| <inline>
| "PCR" wrote in message news:ORK1bMSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> Roxana wrote:

....snip
|> | Yes, it appears it does that.... But for now,
|> | let me be specific (as I was less than exact) in what I'm referring
|> | to. For example, I have files created in - and initially displayed
|> | in - W98se as:
|> | Blabla.txt
|> | Whatever pic.jpg
|> | File1009.jpg
|>
|> What is the setting for "Allow all uppercase names" when they show up
|> like that? That's exactly what they would look like in Explorer, if
|> the box is unchecked.
|
| W98se: Files and Folders: Allow all uppercase names. *checked*

OK-- keep that checkmark in that box, at least for the rest of these
experiments!

If you created the files spelt with lower-case letters in Win98, you are
getting BOTH a SFN (short) & a LFN (long) created for them. I would
think -- because they have the LFN -- XP would let them be, then.

|> | Then, after some back and forth between XP-radiation's-ville and
|> | W98se fallout shelter, I will then see in W98se (in Explorer/ some
|> | folder/ whatever):
|> | BLABLA.TXT
|> | WHATEVER PIC.JPG
|> | FILE1009.JPG
|>
|> Hmm. It could only show up this way in Explorer, if they really were
|> spelt like that AND the "Allow all..." option is checked.
|
| Which it is (in w98se). Again, it is *checked* (allowed)

Yea, good-- keep that checkmark in there, or you will see just one
capital letter!

It goes against my theory (that I posted to a) that XP could cause the
long one (WHATEVER PIC.JPG) to show up as all capitals when viewed on
the Win98 machine-- or even the other two! But especially the long one!

So, maybe verify it...?...

(A) Boot the Win98 machine, & create two files, spelt just like this...

Filename.txt
LongFileName.txt

(B) Copy them both to the XP drive.
Do the originals & the copies still look good?

(C) Boot the XP-machine.
Do all the names still look good?

(D) Rename just the originals that are on the Win98 drive.
You may rename to exactly the same names.

(E) Just open & close both the files on the XP-partition.

(F) Boot the Win98 machine.

How do all of the names look now?

....snip
|> If you absolutely must use XP, best check for some weird setting in
|> it that could be respelling your file names. Does it have a "Folder
|> Options, View tab"?
|
| It has some sort of something like that (accessed via a different menu
| option than in 98se)
|
| What are the options in there, then?
|
| I cannot tell right now... I'm in w98se. I'll see later, OK ?

OK, I see you posted that elsewhere. There was nothing useful.

|> Can it be XP
|> has one that really does respell a file name, instead of just
|> changing the way it displays in Explorer?
|
| Hard to know. I seldom use it (I swear). hehe

Good. Save it for the day Win98 crumbles to dust!

| And remember to put on your tinfoil hat
|> when sitting at an XP-machine! All of here do!
........................................................... ^ us
|
| You bet !

Very good!

....snip
|> I haven't sat at an XP-machine long enough to know or for my
|> earlobes to turn purple & fall onto my toes! Are you sure you just
|> look at them in XP? Does it happen every time?
|
| Maybe some are moved back and forth from time to time (Never any
| System type stuff, mind you.). For instance, lets say I'm doing some
| photo editing or some music / video editing. It sometimes seems
| better for me to copy or move a given file from 98se over to XP for
| that purpose.

Once you copy it to XP, XP has to create its file name. But why won't it
just copy what already is there?

|>
|> Another possible way file names could become all upper-case is to
|> copy them in True DOS. Do you ever Reboot in MS-DOS Mode & do things
|> to the files there?
|
| I've re-booted in MS-DOS on occasion, but have ultra rarely done any
| file type stuff in that mode. Usually, I'd only boot into MS-DOS to
| do something like a Deltree of TIF's.

OK. That's not it, then.

|>
|> |> | Maybe it's a vexing -never to go away problem -, only
|> |> | resolved by constant application of a bulk renaming utility. lol
|> |> | :-/
|> |>
|> |> Yea. If you want the original Windows folders & files to actually
|> |> be spelled differently, you must do it yourself or find something
|> |> like that.
|> |
|> | Which is what I've had to do on more than one occasion. :-/
|>
|> That sounds like a big pain!
|
| It's a smallish PITA. There are worse problems with PC's than that, of
| course. It's probably the fact that one can use a bulk renaming
| utility in ... well, bulk, which makes it less annoying than it
| sounds. <g> But still, it is annoying, and one must do something
| about it/them, or else live with them as they become uppercase..

It is good you are content with that. I doubt anyone will find another
solution! This is from your other post...

| Does XP actually manage filename protocol differently than 9x; who
| knows ?

Yep. I think that's it. But when? And will it do it to all names-- long
ones & short ones? Does it matter on which machine they are first
created?

| Is this issue solely limited to the way W98se *displays*
| these file names which only *appear* to be uppercase when in 98se
| (after something, somewhere, somehow has changed them so 98se sees
| them as such) ?

No. Because it shows up messed up when "Allow all..." is checked,
something actually has happened to the name itself-- I think!
Apparently, the actual case of the letters do not change, because XP
still sees them as lower-case. BUT something about the name has changed
that prevents Win98 from seeing the case of the letters.

| Whatever the case/cause may be (not filename "case"), 98se still
| *defacto* displays some filenames which have mysteriously become
| changed to a FULLY UPPERCASE name, and that's bad enough. These
| changed filenames can also be manually re-named back to Lowercase in
| W98se. So, ultimately, the "appearance" of the filename is changed -
| somehow, somewhere.

Renaming them in Win98 makes the case understandable to Win98 again.

| I know this much: Regardless of whatever OS I use - whether 98se or
| XP - I never name files in FULL UPPERCASE, excepting for the first
| letter of a file (or the first letter of each individual word of a
| given multiword file).

Yea. Me too.

| I may occasionally have reason to name a folder in FULL UPPERCASE in
| either OS, but that's my limit of uppercase naming convention.
|
| It's baffling, as well as being confusing to properly describe in
| words.

Uhuh.

| As I'd earlier hinted at, there are other areas where XP pro and 98se
| 'collide in strange fashion'. The Recycle Bin(s) are one area which
| readily come to mind, but I just don't want to "go there' right now.

I know about that one too, but no solution.

| I should have added - though I'm not sure if this makes any
| difference - that XP is on a second hard drive.

I see. But it probably makes no difference. When XP boots, both drives
belong to XP. When 98 boots, both drives belong to it.

 

[BD]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message
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> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eS2zmkeEIHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > Before this degrades into a um, whatever, how about *I* ask for it....
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > ________
> | No problem
> | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCas.zip
> |
> |
>
> Thank you, that's much appreciated.
>
> Interesting code, was it compiled on/for XP? I get a "linked to missing
> export KERNEL32.DLL, GetProcessIoCounters" in WinSE.. noted the reference
> to
> uxtheme [among others] in the file.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
>
>
Here is the link for the ANSI version
http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip

BD

 

[Roxana]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:51:08 -0600, "Roxana"
> <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >I've seen similar activity from my near identical setup such as yours is.
> >It's very annoying, as what are all lowercase in W98se, somehow later get
to
> >be entirely uppercase - including the file extension - when examined in
> >W98se at some later time.... doubtless, after I've opened the folder or
> >files in XPsp2.
>
> The DOS 8.3 file name would be all caps and the long file name would
> be mixed case. Maybe this is where multiple operating systems are
> becoming confused ??? Does this phenomenon still occur for file names
> that are longer than 8 characters? Is it possible that XP saves a
> short file name in traditional DOS 8.3 uppercase format without
> including a mixed case directory entry for its long equivalent?
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Generally, I seem to recollect W98se displaying these "altered to FULL
UPPERCASE" filenames as rather short ones, leaning towards the 8-character
end. FILE1046.JPG would be one example. SAFARI22.JPG is another instance.

I cannot mentally see or recollect any instances where a name was actually
longer, now that you've mentioned it.

As for your questions, I'm sorry, but I haven't any idea. *ggg*

Roxana

 

[Roxana]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units


"a" <a@libero.it> wrote:
> >Roxana wrote:
> >As I'd earlier hinted at, there are other areas where XP pro and 98se
> >'collide in strange fashion'. The Recycle Bin(s) are one area which
readily
> >come to mind
>
> I confirm.

OK thanks. So that one isn't just a figment of my imagination. I'm somewhat
relieved. :-D

Roxana

 

[PA Bear]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

BD wrote:
> Tim Slattery wrote:
>> a <a@libero.it> wrote:
>>
>>> How can I get the original lowercase filename
>>> from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
>>> correctly displayed in W98?
>>
>> I don't a Win98 machine in front of me to check this out, but I'd
>> start by checking View|Folder Options, View tab in Windows Explorer.
>> See if any of the options listed there might help out.
>>
> Hi Tim;
> IIRC in Folder Options there is a setting to allow/disallow folder names
> in upper case.

You can run (away to sea), but you can't hide from us, Dundat! Howzaguy,
anyway? (glee squealed on you)
--
~Robear

 

[Roxana]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

<top post>

You're timbre is too abrasive for me to care to deal with your 'reply'.
Roxana
--------------------------EOP--------------------------

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Roxana" wrote in
> news:esL2FQUEIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
> >
> > "thanatoid" wrote in message
> > news:Xns99CCEED10481Ethanexit@66.250.146.158...
> >> a <a@libero.it> wrote in
> >> news:2em9h35hjknpueoeb291275hi1b6psqbbi@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > hallo
> >>
> >> <SNIP>
> >>
> >> > in Explorer are always shown in uppercase
> >> > if their name is up to 8 char long
> >> > note:
> >> > if the name is longer, eg: 12 char , it is shown in
> >> > lower case
> >> > note
> >> > the files on the w98 same harddisk are always shown
> >> > correctly
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How can I get the original lowercase filename
> >> > from onther harddisk (or pen drive)
> >> > correctly displayed in W98?
> >>
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> Get a REAL file manager from www.ghisler.com
> >> It will work forever in demo mode but I paid for it
> >> because I could not live without it. Support independent
> >> authors who write software that is your friend instead of
> >> your enemy.
> >>
> >> I am PRETTY SURE your problem will disappear. Names appear
> >> like you type them, and you have about 500 other features
> >> WE can only dream of.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but
> >> Vista on any computer in the world.
> >
> > First, before attending to actual reply. Your closing
> > "tag", is that a fear, or a wish ? :-D
>
> It's called a "signature"
>
> Neither. I am just waiting and observing a pleasant future
> unfold daily. I use 95B and 98SE Lite.
>
> > Now:
> > I had that program - Total Commander - long ago (before
> > dual boot with XP), but had reason to un-install it
>
> Didn't like the total control over your computer? Just like to
> suffer? Insanity run in your family?
>
> > , so
> > therefore I cannot make any evaluation as to whether that
> > would "fix" the problem that has been described.
>
> It's a 1MB (or something) DL.
>
> < However,
> > at the present, I have looked at this uppercase naming
> > problem via XYplorer, xplorer2, EFCommander, and other
> > similar 3rd-party Windows Explorer replacements and they
> > all (eventually) manifest the same problem as described.
>
> That's because they are all modified Explorers, just like there
> are 30 "browsers" which are just front ends with a few extra
> features and eye candy (what's important *is* important) for
> that OTHER torture device and spyware machine, IE/OE.
>
> > Retuning once again to your suggestion: Am I mistaken in
> > doubting that Total Commander would be any more successful
> > at curing this issue than any of the other aforementioned
> > file managers ?
>
> Since I see no reason on earth why ANYONE except an expert
> technician - who probably would not have started this thread -
> would have two OS's installed on a computer (therefore, you may
> correctly deduce that I have not done it) I can't answer that
> question. You are going to have to do something yourself. I gave
> you a good suggestion. Do what you want.
>
> > I think there must be something that occurs when having two
> > operating systems (on separate drives ?) and possibly
> > because they are not hidden from each other (?) that's at
> > the root of this. Obviously, I don't know the exact reason
> > or the answer.
>
> Who knows, who cares? If you want to avoid stuff like this, use
> a Mac or Linux. They have their own problems, of course. I
> learned computers on Windows 3.1 etc. so that's why I am still
> using Windows but I would not install Xtra Problems or Disasta
> if you held a gun to my head. I have *NO* MS "software" on
> either system except the OS's and those are VERY heavily tweaked
> with software by people who know how to program.
>
>
> --
> Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista
> on any computer in the world.

 

[Roxana]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units


"BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message
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> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eq4LygfEIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >
> >
> > Thank you, that's much appreciated.
> >
> No problem.
> > Interesting code, was it compiled on/for XP? I get a "linked to missing
> > export KERNEL32.DLL, GetProcessIoCounters" in WinSE.. noted the
reference
> > to
> > uxtheme [among others] in the file.
> >
> > --
> > MEB
> > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> > ________
> Interesting? Pretty basic is more like it. Like I said, it's 13 lines
with
> a file dialog and error handling included. There is really only 2 lines
> that are required for the name change.
> It was compiled on XP. I'm going to lay down for a bit and when I get up
> I'll recompile the code for ANSI and post a separate link. I forgot to
> change my auto-compile settings so it compiled in unicode.
> 9x systems do not have Unicode support but it will work fine on XP and the
> OP has both.
>
>
Might I ask how one/ if one could employ this ? (Having 98se as main
operating system; use WinXP pro - dual-booted - on rare occasions).
Would one require your intended/prospective 9x ANSI version to rectify this,
or would running (?) the XP coded unicode version in WinXP suffice ?

Thank you very much.
Roxana

 

[BD]

Re: UPPERCASE always from other units

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message
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>
> "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message
> news:eb1$UqfEIHA.4748@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Might I ask how one/ if one could employ this ? (Having 98se as main
> operating system; use WinXP pro - dual-booted - on rare occasions).
> Would one require your intended/prospective 9x ANSI version to rectify
> this,
> or would running (?) the XP coded unicode version in WinXP suffice ?
>
> Thank you very much.
> Roxana
>
If you are running it XP then the regular version will do it. If you are
running in 98 Then you need the ANSI version (which should also work in XP).
I posted that link as well

Just run the exe file, browse to the folder containing the files that you
want changed, select the files, slect OK and the selected files will be
changed. I didn't bother making this app folder recursive. That requires a
few more lines of code and I don't think that for what the OP needed that it
was worth adding in. If you have files to chang in more than 1 folder then
just run the app again for each folder.

BD