Unable to boot/start win98 computer

[Brian A.]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
> Hi Brian,
> I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
> came up wih this that looks like mine.
> http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm

I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find the
BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.

>
> Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
> anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>
> Lew



--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



> --
> LJB
>
>
> "Brian A." wrote:
>
>> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get the
>> machine back in order.
>> Glen stated:
>> <quote>
>> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> </quote>
>>
>> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>>
>> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also show
>> some
>> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
>> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the FSB
>> may
>> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
>> to......
>>
>> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
>> safe
>> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
>> CR2032
>> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
>> different.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Glen,
>> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
>> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)?? Should
>> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> > --
>> > LJB
>> >
>> >
>> > "glee" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you did
>> >> the
>> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the language
>> >> may
>> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >>
>> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
>> >> battery
>> >> holder or its clips.
>> >>
>> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
>> >> CR2032
>> >> Lithium battery.
>> >>
>> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >>
>> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
>> >> your
>> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >>
>> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
>> >> BIOS
>> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then Exit
>> >> Saving Changes.
>> >>
>> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >>
>> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >>
>> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >>
>> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues to
>> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery for
>> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
>> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE as
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did something
>> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT MENU
>> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is nothing
>> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
>> >> >> > supply.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The Soft
>> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS battery
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit Saving
>> >> >> Changes
>> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly detect
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized) defaults in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> BIOS setup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
>> >> >> coin-type
>> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized) defaults,
>> >> >> save
>> >> >> changes and exit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows welcome
>> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
>> >> >> > Widows application.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
>> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
>> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
>> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC printer
>> >> >> driver
>> >> >> file.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver and
>> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site. If
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you can
>> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on the
>> >> >> NEC
>> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from the
>> >> >> Printers control panel.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is not
>> >> >> critical
>> >> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
>> >> >> Brian's
>> >> >> reply for the atmsys error.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to catch
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with Notepad
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> Sysedit.
>> >> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
>> >> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> system.drv=system.drv
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen that allows
>> >> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers here and I
>> >> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode and tried
>> >> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the system does not
>> >> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded piece but I
>> >> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

 

[MEB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
| I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
| additional information.
| I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly lists
the
| processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor is
Intel
| Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu. The
CPU
| Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
should
| be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
|
| Lew
|
|
|
|
| --
| LJB
|



Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT BH6
Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area, NOT
the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very top] as
SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....

The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU then
it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the Front
Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly as
you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a 450]
at 233.
This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to check
with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
examination.
Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless identified
accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were all
correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low select
was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the early
non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to 100mhz. or
perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the Turbo
setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU unless
that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to be
manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
{though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100 max.}].

Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors you
will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of errors...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


|
| "glee" wrote:
|
| > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults" for
the optimized
| > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they called
the "failsafe"
| > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
| >
| > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what the
choices are
| > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
choices? Give
| > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
| >
| > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
earlier posts.
| > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only mentioned
the first
| > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing according
to the
| > messages you receive at startup?
| > --
| > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| >
| >
| > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
| > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we
can get the
| > > machine back in order.
| > > Glen stated:
| > > <quote>
| > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
| > > </quote>
| > >
| > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
| > >
| > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should
also show
| > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
| > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and
the CPU
| > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
that the FSB
| > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match
the RAM
| > > to......
| > >
| > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be
on the safe
| > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
mentioned the
| > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
occasions that
| > > one's different.
| > >
| > > --
| > >
| > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| > >
| > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
| > >
| > >
| > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
| > >> Hi Glen,
| > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
correct
| > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
| > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence,
the
| > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
Should
| > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
| > >> --
| > >> LJB
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> "glee" wrote:
| > >>
| > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so,
when you did
| > >>> the
| > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
language may
| > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
Defaults".
| > >>>
| > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to
break the
| > >>> battery
| > >>> holder or its clips.
| > >>>
| > >>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common
is the
| > >>> CR2032
| > >>> Lithium battery.
| > >>>
| > >>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
| > >>>
| > >>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
Discharge from your
| > >>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
| > >>>
| > >>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults
in the BIOS
| > >>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being
shown, then Exit
| > >>> Saving Changes.
| > >>>
| > >>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
| > >>>
http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
| > >>>
| > >>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
| > >>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
| > >>>
| > >>> How to replace the CMOS battery
| > >>>
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
| > >>>
| > >>> CMOS battery 2032
| > >>>
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
| > >>>
| > >>> --
| > >>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > >>>
| > >>>
| > >>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > >>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
| > >>> > Hi Glen,
| > >>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
continues to
| > >>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
| > >>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
battery for
| > >>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it
on the
| > >>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
| > >>> > --
| > >>> > LJB
| > >>> >
| > >>> >
| > >>> > "glee" wrote:
| > >>> >
| > >>> >> Replies inline....
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > >>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
| > >>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has
Win98 SE as
| > >>> >> >the
| > >>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously
did something
| > >>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately
comes on:
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU
SOFT MENU
| > >>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
| > >>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
| > >>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there
is nothing
| > >>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed
and power
| > >>> >> > supply.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed.
The Soft
| > >>> >> Menu
| > >>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your
CMOS battery
| > >>> >> may
| > >>> >> be
| > >>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to
Exit Saving
| > >>> >> Changes
| > >>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to
properly detect
| > >>> >> the
| > >>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
defaults in
| > >>> >> the
| > >>> >> BIOS setup.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard
(usually a
| > >>> >> coin-type
| > >>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
defaults,
| > >>> >> save
| > >>> >> changes and exit.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
welcome
| > >>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run
Windows or a
| > >>> >> > Widows application.
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
file, but
| > >>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
associated
| > >>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
device
| > >>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the
missing file.
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
printer
| > >>> >> driver
| > >>> >> file.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
driver and
| > >>> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support
site. If you
| > >>> >> no
| > >>> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it
you can
| > >>> >> correctly
| > >>> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall
shortcut on the NEC
| > >>> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the
printer from the
| > >>> >> Printers control panel.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so
it is not
| > >>> >> critical
| > >>> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled
first. See
| > >>> >> Brian's
| > >>> >> reply for the atmsys error.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able
to catch it
| > >>> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode,
with Notepad or
| > >>> >> Sysedit.
| > >>> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
| > >>> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
| > >>> >> to
| > >>> >> system.drv=system.drv
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen
that allows
| > >>> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers
here and I
| > >>> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode
and tried
| > >>> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
| > >>> >> >
| > >>> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the
system does not
| > >>> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded
piece but I
| > >>> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >> --
| > >>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>> >>
| > >>>
| > >>>
| > >
| >
| >
| >

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi MEB,
I found your note buried in the rest of the notes and when I read
through it I went into the CMOS and changed the processor speed to 450/100.
Now when I boot up the error message "the computer is unworkable or has been
changed " no longer appears!!! And in order to get into the BIOS I must now
click DEL before the boot continues. Previously the computer would hang up
at "the computer is unworkable line" and sat there until I chose the next
step, either the DEL key to get to the BIOS or the F1 key that would take me
to this screen:

"Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
Widows application.

The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
the device file no longer exists.

If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
application using its uninstall or setup program.

If you still want to use the application associated with this device
file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.

asivmsvc.vxd"

However instead of having to click the F1 key to go further the computer now
boots directly to this screen (above) and then hangs up; and as before if I
hit any key a brief screen comes on that says "error loading lmouse.drv...you
must reinstall Windows". As you will note in my original note this error
message referred to the "atsmy.drv", now changed to "lmouse.drv".
Anyway changing the BIOS to the correct CPU speed has helped. In the
BIOS the CPU SOFT MENU line which is the first line as you know is still
outlined with exclamation marks fore and aft.
Thanks for the help. I guess the others will pick up this change and I
await further thoughts from everyone.

Lew

--
LJB


"MEB" wrote:

> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
> | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
> | additional information.
> | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly lists
> the
> | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor is
> Intel
> | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu. The
> CPU
> | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
> should
> | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
> |
> | Lew
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> | LJB
> |
>
>
>
> Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT BH6
> Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area, NOT
> the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very top] as
> SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
>
> The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU then
> it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the Front
> Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly as
> you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a 450]
> at 233.
> This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to check
> with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
> examination.
> Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless identified
> accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were all
> correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low select
> was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the early
> non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to 100mhz. or
> perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the Turbo
> setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
> Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU unless
> that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
> several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
> Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to be
> manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
> {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100 max.}].
>
> Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors you
> will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
> going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of errors...
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
> |
> | "glee" wrote:
> |
> | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults" for
> the optimized
> | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they called
> the "failsafe"
> | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
> | >
> | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what the
> choices are
> | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
> choices? Give
> | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
> | >
> | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
> earlier posts.
> | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only mentioned
> the first
> | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing according
> to the
> | > messages you receive at startup?
> | > --
> | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | >
> | >
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we
> can get the
> | > > machine back in order.
> | > > Glen stated:
> | > > <quote>
> | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> | > > </quote>
> | > >
> | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> | > >
> | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should
> also show
> | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and
> the CPU
> | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
> that the FSB
> | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match
> the RAM
> | > > to......
> | > >
> | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be
> on the safe
> | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
> mentioned the
> | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
> occasions that
> | > > one's different.
> | > >
> | > > --
> | > >
> | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> | > >
> | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> | > >> Hi Glen,
> | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
> correct
> | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence,
> the
> | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
> Should
> | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> | > >> --
> | > >> LJB
> | > >>
> | > >>
> | > >> "glee" wrote:
> | > >>
> | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so,
> when you did
> | > >>> the
> | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
> language may
> | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> Defaults".
> | > >>>
> | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to
> break the
> | > >>> battery
> | > >>> holder or its clips.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common
> is the
> | > >>> CR2032
> | > >>> Lithium battery.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
> Discharge from your
> | > >>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults
> in the BIOS
> | > >>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being
> shown, then Exit
> | > >>> Saving Changes.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> | > >>>
> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> | > >>>
> | > >>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> | > >>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to replace the CMOS battery
> | > >>>
> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> | > >>>
> | > >>> CMOS battery 2032
> | > >>>
> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> | > >>>
> | > >>> --
> | > >>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > >>>
> | > >>>
> | > >>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> > Hi Glen,
> | > >>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
> continues to
> | > >>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> | > >>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
> battery for
> | > >>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it
> on the
> | > >>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> | > >>> > --
> | > >>> > LJB
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> > "glee" wrote:
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >> Replies inline....
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has
> Win98 SE as
> | > >>> >> >the
> | > >>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously
> did something
> | > >>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately
> comes on:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU
> SOFT MENU
> | > >>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> | > >>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> | > >>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there
> is nothing
> | > >>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed
> and power
> | > >>> >> > supply.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed.
> The Soft
> | > >>> >> Menu
> | > >>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your
> CMOS battery
> | > >>> >> may
> | > >>> >> be
> | > >>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to
> Exit Saving
> | > >>> >> Changes
> | > >>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to
> properly detect
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
> defaults in
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> BIOS setup.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard
> (usually a
> | > >>> >> coin-type
> | > >>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
> defaults,
> | > >>> >> save
> | > >>> >> changes and exit.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
> welcome
> | > >>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run
> Windows or a
> | > >>> >> > Widows application.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
> file, but
> | > >>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
> associated
> | > >>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
> device
> | > >>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the
> missing file.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
> printer
> | > >>> >> driver
> | > >>> >> file.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
> driver and

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi Brian and Glen,
Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
file........asivmscv.vxd".

Lew
--
LJB


"Brian A." wrote:

> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Brian,
> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>
> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find the
> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>
> >
> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
> >
> > Lew
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
> > --
> > LJB
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >
> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get the
> >> machine back in order.
> >> Glen stated:
> >> <quote>
> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> </quote>
> >>
> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> >>
> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also show
> >> some
> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the FSB
> >> may
> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
> >> to......
> >>
> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
> >> safe
> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
> >> CR2032
> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
> >> different.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)?? Should
> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> >> > --
> >> > LJB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you did
> >> >> the
> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the language
> >> >> may
> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >>
> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
> >> >> battery
> >> >> holder or its clips.
> >> >>
> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> Lithium battery.
> >> >>
> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> >> >>
> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
> >> >> your
> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> >> >>
> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
> >> >> BIOS
> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then Exit
> >> >> Saving Changes.
> >> >>
> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> >> >>
> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> >> >>
> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues to
> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery for
> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Replies inline....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE as
> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did something
> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT MENU
> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is nothing
> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
> >> >> >> > supply.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The Soft
> >> >> >> Menu
> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS battery
> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit Saving
> >> >> >> Changes
> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly detect
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized) defaults in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
> >> >> >> coin-type
> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized) defaults,
> >> >> >> save
> >> >> >> changes and exit.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows welcome
> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
> >> >> >> > Widows application.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC printer
> >> >> >> driver
> >> >> >> file.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver and
> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site. If
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you can
> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on the
> >> >> >> NEC
> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from the
> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is not
> >> >> >> critical
> >> >> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
> >> >> >> Brian's
> >> >> >> reply for the atmsys error.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to catch
> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with Notepad
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> Sysedit.
> >> >> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
> >> >> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> system.drv=system.drv
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen that allows
> >> >> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers here and I
> >> >> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode and tried
> >> >> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the system does not
> >> >> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded piece but I
> >> >> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

MEB,
As an addendum to my post I have the User's Manual for the BH6
motherboard and there is a photo of the first page in the CMOS and it shows
exclamation marks fore of aft of the Soft Menu (!!Soft Menu!!) so obviously
this is the default presentation.
Lew
--
LJB


"MEB" wrote:

> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
> | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
> | additional information.
> | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly lists
> the
> | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor is
> Intel
> | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu. The
> CPU
> | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
> should
> | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
> |
> | Lew
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> | LJB
> |
>
>
>
> Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT BH6
> Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area, NOT
> the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very top] as
> SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
>
> The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU then
> it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the Front
> Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly as
> you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a 450]
> at 233.
> This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to check
> with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
> examination.
> Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless identified
> accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were all
> correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low select
> was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the early
> non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to 100mhz. or
> perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the Turbo
> setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
> Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU unless
> that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
> several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
> Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to be
> manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
> {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100 max.}].
>
> Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors you
> will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
> going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of errors...
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
> |
> | "glee" wrote:
> |
> | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults" for
> the optimized
> | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they called
> the "failsafe"
> | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
> | >
> | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what the
> choices are
> | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
> choices? Give
> | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
> | >
> | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
> earlier posts.
> | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only mentioned
> the first
> | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing according
> to the
> | > messages you receive at startup?
> | > --
> | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | >
> | >
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we
> can get the
> | > > machine back in order.
> | > > Glen stated:
> | > > <quote>
> | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> | > > </quote>
> | > >
> | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> | > >
> | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should
> also show
> | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and
> the CPU
> | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
> that the FSB
> | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match
> the RAM
> | > > to......
> | > >
> | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be
> on the safe
> | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
> mentioned the
> | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
> occasions that
> | > > one's different.
> | > >
> | > > --
> | > >
> | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> | > >
> | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> | > >> Hi Glen,
> | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
> correct
> | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence,
> the
> | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
> Should
> | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> | > >> --
> | > >> LJB
> | > >>
> | > >>
> | > >> "glee" wrote:
> | > >>
> | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so,
> when you did
> | > >>> the
> | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
> language may
> | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> Defaults".
> | > >>>
> | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to
> break the
> | > >>> battery
> | > >>> holder or its clips.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common
> is the
> | > >>> CR2032
> | > >>> Lithium battery.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
> Discharge from your
> | > >>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults
> in the BIOS
> | > >>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being
> shown, then Exit
> | > >>> Saving Changes.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> | > >>>
> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> | > >>>
> | > >>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> | > >>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to replace the CMOS battery
> | > >>>
> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> | > >>>
> | > >>> CMOS battery 2032
> | > >>>
> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> | > >>>
> | > >>> --
> | > >>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > >>>
> | > >>>
> | > >>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> > Hi Glen,
> | > >>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
> continues to
> | > >>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> | > >>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
> battery for
> | > >>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it
> on the
> | > >>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> | > >>> > --
> | > >>> > LJB
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> > "glee" wrote:
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >> Replies inline....
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has
> Win98 SE as
> | > >>> >> >the
> | > >>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously
> did something
> | > >>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately
> comes on:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU
> SOFT MENU
> | > >>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> | > >>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> | > >>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there
> is nothing
> | > >>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed
> and power
> | > >>> >> > supply.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed.
> The Soft
> | > >>> >> Menu
> | > >>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your
> CMOS battery
> | > >>> >> may
> | > >>> >> be
> | > >>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to
> Exit Saving
> | > >>> >> Changes
> | > >>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to
> properly detect
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
> defaults in
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> BIOS setup.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard
> (usually a
> | > >>> >> coin-type
> | > >>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
> defaults,
> | > >>> >> save
> | > >>> >> changes and exit.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
> welcome
> | > >>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run
> Windows or a
> | > >>> >> > Widows application.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
> file, but
> | > >>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
> associated
> | > >>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
> device
> | > >>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the
> missing file.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
> printer
> | > >>> >> driver
> | > >>> >> file.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
> driver and

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Brian,
The Word Processor article references this line:

ATM.SYSTEM.DRV=SYSTEM.DRV

that I have never seen in the system.ini folder. And as previously
mentioned I have made the line change to SYSTEM.DRV=SYSTEM.DRV.

Lew
--
LJB


"Brian A." wrote:

> I'll be gosh darned! Earlier I was thinking the "asivmsvc.vxd" (Adobe System
> Information) might have to do with Adobe but I backed away when NEC was mentioned.
> I've see it mentioned as being used in other apps, Adobe being one of them, but not
> as much.
> Now I've run into this which has to do with atmsy.drv (Adobe Type Manager) and puts
> me back on that track. BTW Glen, 2 out of 3 files were mentioned in Lew's orig.
> post, the 2 mentioned here, not lmouse.drv.
>
> Lew, if you have the second line in System.ini under [Boot] as mention in the
> article, it may get one issue tossed on the roadside.
>
> Word Processor Files Won't Open in Works for Windows
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99835
>
> Please keep in mind to provide all of the other info requested.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:O40Nc7qKIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults" for the optimized
> > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they called the
> > "failsafe" settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
> >
> > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what the choices are
> > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your choices? Give
> > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
> >
> > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your earlier posts.
> > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only mentioned the first
> > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing according to the
> > messages you receive at startup?
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get the
> >> machine back in order.
> >> Glen stated:
> >> <quote>
> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> </quote>
> >>
> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> >>
> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also show
> >> some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the FSB
> >> may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
> >> to......
> >>
> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the safe
> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
> >> CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that
> >> one's different.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> >>> Hi Glen,
> >>> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
> >>> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> >>> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
> >>> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)?? Should
> >>> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> >>> --
> >>> LJB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "glee" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you did
> >>>> the
> >>>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the language may
> >>>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >>>>
> >>>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
> >>>> battery
> >>>> holder or its clips.
> >>>>
> >>>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
> >>>> CR2032
> >>>> Lithium battery.
> >>>>
> >>>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> >>>>
> >>>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from your
> >>>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> >>>>
> >>>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the BIOS
> >>>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then Exit
> >>>> Saving Changes.
> >>>>
> >>>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> >>>> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> >>>>
> >>>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> >>>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> How to replace the CMOS battery
> >>>> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> >>>>
> >>>> CMOS battery 2032
> >>>> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >>>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> >>>> > Hi Glen,
> >>>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues to
> >>>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> >>>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery for
> >>>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
> >>>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > LJB
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "glee" wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Replies inline....
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >>>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> >>>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE as
> >>>> >> >the
> >>>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did something
> >>>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT MENU
> >>>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> >>>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> >>>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is nothing
> >>>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
> >>>> >> > supply.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The Soft
> >>>> >> Menu
> >>>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS battery
> >>>> >> may
> >>>> >> be
> >>>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit Saving
> >>>> >> Changes
> >>>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly detect
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized) defaults in
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> BIOS setup.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
> >>>> >> coin-type
> >>>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized) defaults,
> >>>> >> save
> >>>> >> changes and exit.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows welcome
> >>>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
> >>>> >> > Widows application.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
> >>>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
> >>>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
> >>>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC printer
> >>>> >> driver
> >>>> >> file.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver and
> >>>> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site. If you
> >>>> >> no
> >>>> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you can
> >>>> >> correctly
> >>>> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on the NEC
> >>>> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from the
> >>>> >> Printers control panel.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is not
> >>>> >> critical
> >>>> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
> >>>> >> Brian's
> >>>> >> reply for the atmsys error.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to catch it
> >>>> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with Notepad or
> >>>> >> Sysedit.
> >>>> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
> >>>> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> system.drv=system.drv
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen that allows
> >>>> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers here and I
> >>>> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode and tried
> >>>> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the system does not
> >>>> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded piece but I
> >>>> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --
> >>>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Okay, you are hopefully, almost there...

I'll let the original helpers or others work with you on the rest of the
corrections.

As a "heads up" on what they and you will be doing [DO NOT try ANYTHING
until the full recovery plan is outlined] (Note specifically 3 and the
HOWEVER below):

1. You will be returning ALL prior manual modifications to the original
values [from DOS if possible].

2. You will be installing/returning to an older registry before the errors
occurred [hopefully one is available].

3. You MAY be uninstalling and reinstalling some drivers, as you have
*defaulted* the BIOS, which may not have been the original configuration
[though with CMOS loss and/or battery replacement, much of that would likely
have occurred anyway]. They will need to review aspects within the BIOS for
correct settings [such as PNP OS, PCI assignments, AGP settings/memory, hard
drive settings, Power Management, etc.], you will have to follow their
advise EXACTLY.

4. You MAY be cleaning old entries from the registry [may have to use SAFE
Mode prior to ANY normal boot].

HOWEVER, as was originally suggested, the reason for this original hardware
failure should be addressed FIRST, that being, the apparent need to replace
your BIOS/CMOS battery. What you have accomplished with this CPU speed/FSB
check/reset, is to ensure POST can occur without error. That seems to have
been accomplished, but all will be lost the next time the power goes down,
or the computer is unplugged, or a *brown out* or power fluctuation causes
loss of CMOS...
Again, please STOP trying to enter Windows, as EVERY time you do, it makes
it infinitely more difficult to correct potential issues, and creates more
[for instance: Windows may be REMOVING/deleting driver files]...

For a review of battery replacement refer back to Glen's 11-19-2007 post
[this discussion] related to such, and/or:

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/cmos_battery.htm

Okay, guys I'll be *waiting in the wings* [PS. the BIOS settings are
generally the same as would be for any Award BIOS].

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:FD155F9B-D0F3-4131-8044-D3D356F33E9E@microsoft.com...
| Hi MEB,
| I found your note buried in the rest of the notes and when I read
| through it I went into the CMOS and changed the processor speed to
450/100.
| Now when I boot up the error message "the computer is unworkable or has
been
| changed " no longer appears!!! And in order to get into the BIOS I must
now
| click DEL before the boot continues. Previously the computer would hang
up
| at "the computer is unworkable line" and sat there until I chose the next
| step, either the DEL key to get to the BIOS or the F1 key that would take
me
| to this screen:
|
| "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
| Widows application.
|
| The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
| the device file no longer exists.
|
| If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
| application using its uninstall or setup program.
|
| If you still want to use the application associated with this device
| file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
|
| asivmsvc.vxd"
|
| However instead of having to click the F1 key to go further the computer
now
| boots directly to this screen (above) and then hangs up; and as before if
I
| hit any key a brief screen comes on that says "error loading
lmouse.drv...you
| must reinstall Windows". As you will note in my original note this error
| message referred to the "atsmy.drv", now changed to "lmouse.drv".
| Anyway changing the BIOS to the correct CPU speed has helped. In the
| BIOS the CPU SOFT MENU line which is the first line as you know is still
| outlined with exclamation marks fore and aft.
| Thanks for the help. I guess the others will pick up this change and
I
| await further thoughts from everyone.
|
| Lew
|
| --
| LJB
|
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
| > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
| > | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
| > | additional information.
| > | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly
lists
| > the
| > | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor
is
| > Intel
| > | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu.
The
| > CPU
| > | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
| > should
| > | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
| > |
| > | Lew
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | LJB
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| > Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT
BH6
| > Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area,
NOT
| > the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very
top] as
| > SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
| >
| > The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU
then
| > it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the
Front
| > Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly
as
| > you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a
450]
| > at 233.
| > This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to
check
| > with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
| > examination.
| > Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless
identified
| > accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were
all
| > correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low
select
| > was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the
early
| > non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to
100mhz. or
| > perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the
Turbo
| > setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
| > Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU
unless
| > that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
| > several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
| > Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to
be
| > manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
| > {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100
max.}].
| >
| > Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors
you
| > will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
| > going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of
errors...
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > ________
| >
| >
| > |
| > | "glee" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults"
for
| > the optimized
| > | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they
called
| > the "failsafe"
| > | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
| > | >
| > | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what
the
| > choices are
| > | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
| > choices? Give
| > | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
| > | >
| > | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
| > earlier posts.
| > | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only
mentioned
| > the first
| > | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing
according
| > to the
| > | > messages you receive at startup?
| > | > --
| > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
| > | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so
we
| > can get the
| > | > > machine back in order.
| > | > > Glen stated:
| > | > > <quote>
| > | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
Defaults".
| > | > > </quote>
| > | > >
| > | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
| > | > >
| > | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It
should
| > also show
| > | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
| > | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model
and
| > the CPU
| > | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
| > that the FSB
| > | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to
match
| > the RAM
| > | > > to......
| > | > >
| > | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out
to be
| > on the safe
| > | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
| > mentioned the
| > | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
| > occasions that
| > | > > one's different.
| > | > >
| > | > > --
| > | > >
| > | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| > | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| > | > >
| > | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
| > | > >> Hi Glen,
| > | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
| > correct
| > | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the
same
| > | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes
precedence,
| > the
| > | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv,
etc)??
| > Should
| > | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything??
Thanks
| > | > >> --
| > | > >> LJB
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >> "glee" wrote:
| > | > >>
| > | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If
so,
| > when you did
| > | > >>> the
| > | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized
Defaults...the
| > language may
| > | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
| > Defaults".
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not
to
| > break the
| > | > >>> battery
| > | > >>> holder or its clips.
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most
common
| > is the
| > | > >>> CR2032
| > | > >>> Lithium battery.
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
| > Discharge from your
| > | > >>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized
Defaults
| > in the BIOS
| > | > >>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being
| > shown, then Exit
| > | > >>> Saving Changes.
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
| > | > >>>
| >
http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
| > | > >>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> How to replace the CMOS battery
| > | > >>>
| >
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> CMOS battery 2032
| > | > >>>
| >
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> --
| > | > >>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>>
| > | > >>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > | > >>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
| > | > >>> > Hi Glen,
| > | > >>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
| > continues to
| > | > >>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
| > | > >>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find
the
| > battery for
| > | > >>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have
seen it
| > on the
| > | > >>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
| > | > >>> > --
| > | > >>> > LJB
| > | > >>> >
| > | > >>> >
| > | > >>> > "glee" wrote:
| > | > >>> >
| > | > >>> >> Replies inline....
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > | > >>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
| > | > >>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that
has
| > Win98 SE as
| > | > >>> >> >the
| > | > >>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I
obviously
| > did something
| > | > >>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately
| > comes on:
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please
recheck-CPU
| > SOFT MENU
| > | > >>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
| > | > >>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
| > | > >>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but
there
| > is nothing
| > | > >>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating
Speed
| > and power
| > | > >>> >> > supply.
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is
installed.
| > The Soft
| > | > >>> >> Menu
| > | > >>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like
your
| > CMOS battery
| > | > >>> >> may
| > | > >>> >> be
| > | > >>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option
to
| > Exit Saving
| > | > >>> >> Changes
| > | > >>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to
| > properly detect
| > | > >>> >> the
| > | > >>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or
optimized)
| > defaults in
| > | > >>> >> the
| > | > >>> >> BIOS setup.
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard
| > (usually a
| > | > >>> >> coin-type
| > | > >>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or
optimized)
| > defaults,
| > | > >>> >> save
| > | > >>> >> changes and exit.
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief
Windows
| > welcome
| > | > >>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to
run
| > Windows or a
| > | > >>> >> > Widows application.
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this
device
| > file, but
| > | > >>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling
the
| > associated
| > | > >>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with
this
| > device
| > | > >>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the
| > missing file.
| > | > >>> >> >
| > | > >>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a
NEC
| > printer
| > | > >>> >> driver
| > | > >>> >> file.
| > | > >>> >>
| > | > >>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC
printer
| > driver and

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi MEB,
Should I replace the battery which is a CR2032? There is a tight clip
holding it in place that will be challenge to extract the battery and
maintain the clip. I thought that since changing the CPU speed to 450/100
and the boot now not hanging up at the "unworkable CPU" line this would mean
there is not a battery problem?? I honestly don't know how the wrong CPU
speed got into the BIOS but will refrain from starting up Windows until
further help comes along from you or Brian and Glen. I guess they will pick
up the newer posts even though they are not at the end of the thread?
LJB


"MEB" wrote:

> Okay, you are hopefully, almost there...
>
> I'll let the original helpers or others work with you on the rest of the
> corrections.
>
> As a "heads up" on what they and you will be doing [DO NOT try ANYTHING
> until the full recovery plan is outlined] (Note specifically 3 and the
> HOWEVER below):
>
> 1. You will be returning ALL prior manual modifications to the original
> values [from DOS if possible].
>
> 2. You will be installing/returning to an older registry before the errors
> occurred [hopefully one is available].
>
> 3. You MAY be uninstalling and reinstalling some drivers, as you have
> *defaulted* the BIOS, which may not have been the original configuration
> [though with CMOS loss and/or battery replacement, much of that would likely
> have occurred anyway]. They will need to review aspects within the BIOS for
> correct settings [such as PNP OS, PCI assignments, AGP settings/memory, hard
> drive settings, Power Management, etc.], you will have to follow their
> advise EXACTLY.
>
> 4. You MAY be cleaning old entries from the registry [may have to use SAFE
> Mode prior to ANY normal boot].
>
> HOWEVER, as was originally suggested, the reason for this original hardware
> failure should be addressed FIRST, that being, the apparent need to replace
> your BIOS/CMOS battery. What you have accomplished with this CPU speed/FSB
> check/reset, is to ensure POST can occur without error. That seems to have
> been accomplished, but all will be lost the next time the power goes down,
> or the computer is unplugged, or a *brown out* or power fluctuation causes
> loss of CMOS...
> Again, please STOP trying to enter Windows, as EVERY time you do, it makes
> it infinitely more difficult to correct potential issues, and creates more
> [for instance: Windows may be REMOVING/deleting driver files]...
>
> For a review of battery replacement refer back to Glen's 11-19-2007 post
> [this discussion] related to such, and/or:
>
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/cmos_battery.htm
>
> Okay, guys I'll be *waiting in the wings* [PS. the BIOS settings are
> generally the same as would be for any Award BIOS].
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________
>
>
> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:FD155F9B-D0F3-4131-8044-D3D356F33E9E@microsoft.com...
> | Hi MEB,
> | I found your note buried in the rest of the notes and when I read
> | through it I went into the CMOS and changed the processor speed to
> 450/100.
> | Now when I boot up the error message "the computer is unworkable or has
> been
> | changed " no longer appears!!! And in order to get into the BIOS I must
> now
> | click DEL before the boot continues. Previously the computer would hang
> up
> | at "the computer is unworkable line" and sat there until I chose the next
> | step, either the DEL key to get to the BIOS or the F1 key that would take
> me
> | to this screen:
> |
> | "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
> | Widows application.
> |
> | The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
> | the device file no longer exists.
> |
> | If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
> | application using its uninstall or setup program.
> |
> | If you still want to use the application associated with this device
> | file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
> |
> | asivmsvc.vxd"
> |
> | However instead of having to click the F1 key to go further the computer
> now
> | boots directly to this screen (above) and then hangs up; and as before if
> I
> | hit any key a brief screen comes on that says "error loading
> lmouse.drv...you
> | must reinstall Windows". As you will note in my original note this error
> | message referred to the "atsmy.drv", now changed to "lmouse.drv".
> | Anyway changing the BIOS to the correct CPU speed has helped. In the
> | BIOS the CPU SOFT MENU line which is the first line as you know is still
> | outlined with exclamation marks fore and aft.
> | Thanks for the help. I guess the others will pick up this change and
> I
> | await further thoughts from everyone.
> |
> | Lew
> |
> | --
> | LJB
> |
> |
> | "MEB" wrote:
> |
> | > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
> | > | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
> | > | additional information.
> | > | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly
> lists
> | > the
> | > | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor
> is
> | > Intel
> | > | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu.
> The
> | > CPU
> | > | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
> | > should
> | > | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
> | > |
> | > | Lew
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | LJB
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT
> BH6
> | > Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area,
> NOT
> | > the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very
> top] as
> | > SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
> | >
> | > The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU
> then
> | > it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the
> Front
> | > Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly
> as
> | > you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a
> 450]
> | > at 233.
> | > This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to
> check
> | > with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
> | > examination.
> | > Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless
> identified
> | > accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were
> all
> | > correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low
> select
> | > was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the
> early
> | > non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to
> 100mhz. or
> | > perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the
> Turbo
> | > setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
> | > Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU
> unless
> | > that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
> | > several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
> | > Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to
> be
> | > manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
> | > {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100
> max.}].
> | >
> | > Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors
> you
> | > will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
> | > going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of
> errors...
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > ________
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > | "glee" wrote:
> | > |
> | > | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults"
> for
> | > the optimized
> | > | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they
> called
> | > the "failsafe"
> | > | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
> | > | >
> | > | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what
> the
> | > choices are
> | > | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
> | > choices? Give
> | > | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
> | > | >
> | > | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
> | > earlier posts.
> | > | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only
> mentioned
> | > the first
> | > | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing
> according
> | > to the
> | > | > messages you receive at startup?
> | > | > --
> | > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> | > | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so
> we
> | > can get the
> | > | > > machine back in order.
> | > | > > Glen stated:
> | > | > > <quote>
> | > | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> Defaults".
> | > | > > </quote>
> | > | > >
> | > | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It
> should
> | > also show
> | > | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> | > | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model
> and
> | > the CPU
> | > | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
> | > that the FSB
> | > | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to
> match
> | > the RAM
> | > | > > to......
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out
> to be
> | > on the safe
> | > | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
> | > mentioned the
> | > | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
> | > occasions that
> | > | > > one's different.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > --
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> | > | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> | > | > >
> | > | > >
> | > | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> | > | > >> Hi Glen,
> | > | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
> | > correct
> | > | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the
> same
> | > | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes
> precedence,
> | > the
> | > | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv,
> etc)??
> | > Should
> | > | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything??
> Thanks
> | > | > >> --
> | > | > >> LJB
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >> "glee" wrote:
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If
> so,
> | > when you did
> | > | > >>> the
> | > | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized
> Defaults...the
> | > language may
> | > | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> | > Defaults".
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not

 

[Brian A.]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eLWJGLzKIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
> | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
> | additional information.
> | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly lists
> the
> | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor is
> Intel
> | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu. The
> CPU
> | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
> should
> | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
> |
> | Lew
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> | LJB
> |
>
>
>
> Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT BH6
> Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area, NOT
> the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very top] as
> SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
>
> The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU then
> it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the Front
> Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly as
> you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a 450]
> at 233.
> This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to check
> with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
> examination.

This helps somewhat confirm my suspicion as I mention in a response, now that I see
your mention of the 2 available defaults. If you know and for clarification, if the
FSB is set at (66) it is only runing at 2/3 of the total speed, correct? And
wouldn't that be dealing with the AGP?

> Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless identified
> accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were all
> correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low select
> was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the early
> non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to 100mhz. or
> perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the Turbo
> setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...

If I believe correctly the high/low was for overclocking as I understand that board
was an overclockers dream.
I agree on the Turbo, from what I've read basically useless.

> Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU unless
> that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
> several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
> Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to be
> manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
> {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100 max.}].
>
> Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors you
> will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
> going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of errors...
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> ________


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>
>
> |
> | "glee" wrote:
> |
> | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults" for
> the optimized
> | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they called
> the "failsafe"
> | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
> | >
> | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what the
> choices are
> | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
> choices? Give
> | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
> | >
> | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
> earlier posts.
> | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only mentioned
> the first
> | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing according
> to the
> | > messages you receive at startup?
> | > --
> | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | >
> | >
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we
> can get the
> | > > machine back in order.
> | > > Glen stated:
> | > > <quote>
> | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> | > > </quote>
> | > >
> | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> | > >
> | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should
> also show
> | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and
> the CPU
> | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
> that the FSB
> | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match
> the RAM
> | > > to......
> | > >
> | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be
> on the safe
> | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
> mentioned the
> | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
> occasions that
> | > > one's different.
> | > >
> | > > --
> | > >
> | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> | > >
> | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> | > >> Hi Glen,
> | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
> correct
> | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence,
> the
> | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
> Should
> | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> | > >> --
> | > >> LJB
> | > >>
> | > >>
> | > >> "glee" wrote:
> | > >>
> | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so,
> when you did
> | > >>> the
> | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
> language may
> | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> Defaults".
> | > >>>
> | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to
> break the
> | > >>> battery
> | > >>> holder or its clips.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common
> is the
> | > >>> CR2032
> | > >>> Lithium battery.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
> Discharge from your
> | > >>> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults
> in the BIOS
> | > >>> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being
> shown, then Exit
> | > >>> Saving Changes.
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> | > >>>
> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> | > >>>
> | > >>> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> | > >>> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> | > >>>
> | > >>> How to replace the CMOS battery
> | > >>>
> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> | > >>>
> | > >>> CMOS battery 2032
> | > >>>
> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> | > >>>
> | > >>> --
> | > >>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > >>>
> | > >>>
> | > >>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> > Hi Glen,
> | > >>> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
> continues to
> | > >>> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> | > >>> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
> battery for
> | > >>> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it
> on the
> | > >>> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> | > >>> > --
> | > >>> > LJB
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> > "glee" wrote:
> | > >>> >
> | > >>> >> Replies inline....
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> | > >>> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> | > >>> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has
> Win98 SE as
> | > >>> >> >the
> | > >>> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously
> did something
> | > >>> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately
> comes on:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU
> SOFT MENU
> | > >>> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> | > >>> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> | > >>> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there
> is nothing
> | > >>> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed
> and power
> | > >>> >> > supply.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed.
> The Soft
> | > >>> >> Menu
> | > >>> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your
> CMOS battery
> | > >>> >> may
> | > >>> >> be
> | > >>> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to
> Exit Saving
> | > >>> >> Changes
> | > >>> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to
> properly detect
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
> defaults in
> | > >>> >> the
> | > >>> >> BIOS setup.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard
> (usually a
> | > >>> >> coin-type
> | > >>> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
> defaults,
> | > >>> >> save
> | > >>> >> changes and exit.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
> welcome
> | > >>> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run
> Windows or a
> | > >>> >> > Widows application.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
> file, but
> | > >>> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
> associated
> | > >>> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
> device
> | > >>> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the
> missing file.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
> printer
> | > >>> >> driver
> | > >>> >> file.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
> driver and
> | > >>> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support
> site. If you
> | > >>> >> no
> | > >>> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it
> you can
> | > >>> >> correctly
> | > >>> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall
> shortcut on the NEC
> | > >>> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the
> printer from the
> | > >>> >> Printers control panel.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so
> it is not
> | > >>> >> critical
> | > >>> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled
> first. See
> | > >>> >> Brian's
> | > >>> >> reply for the atmsys error.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able
> to catch it
> | > >>> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode,
> with Notepad or
> | > >>> >> Sysedit.
> | > >>> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
> | > >>> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
> | > >>> >> to
> | > >>> >> system.drv=system.drv
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen
> that allows
> | > >>> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers
> here and I
> | > >>> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode
> and tried
> | > >>> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
> | > >>> >> >
> | > >>> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the
> system does not
> | > >>> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded
> piece but I
> | > >>> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >> --
> | > >>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>> >>
> | > >>>
> | > >>>
> | > >
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

 

[Brian A.]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
> Hi Brian and Glen,
> Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
> does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
> message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
> boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
> file........asivmscv.vxd".
>
> Lew
> --
> LJB

Missing .vxd files:
Error Message: Cannot Find a Device File That May Be Needed to Run Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q132008

Err Msg: Cannot Find a Device File That May Be Needed to Run...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q166832

”Unable to Load the Dynamic Link Library” Error Message When You Install Drivers or
Utilities
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q302590

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Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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>
>
> "Brian A." wrote:
>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Brian,
>> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
>> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
>> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>>
>> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find
>> the
>> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>>
>> >
>> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
>> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>> >
>> > Lew
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > LJB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
>> >> the
>> >> machine back in order.
>> >> Glen stated:
>> >> <quote>
>> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> </quote>
>> >>
>> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> >>
>> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
>> >> show
>> >> some
>> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
>> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the FSB
>> >> may
>> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
>> >> to......
>> >>
>> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
>> >> safe
>> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
>> >> CR2032
>> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
>> >> different.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
>> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)?? Should
>> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you
>> >> >> did
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the language
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
>> >> >> battery
>> >> >> holder or its clips.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
>> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> Lithium battery.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
>> >> >> BIOS
>> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then
>> >> >> Exit
>> >> >> Saving Changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >> >>
>> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
>> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE
>> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
>> >> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT MENU
>> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
>> >> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
>> >> >> >> > supply.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The
>> >> >> >> Soft
>> >> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
>> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
>> >> >> >> Saving
>> >> >> >> Changes
>> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
>> >> >> >> detect
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized) defaults
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
>> >> >> >> coin-type
>> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> defaults,
>> >> >> >> save
>> >> >> >> changes and exit.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows welcome
>> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > Widows application.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file,
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
>> >> >> >> > associated
>> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
>> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
>> >> >> >> > file.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC printer
>> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> file.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site. If
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you can
>> >> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on the
>> >> >> >> NEC
>> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is not
>> >> >> >> critical
>> >> >> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
>> >> >> >> Brian's
>> >> >> >> reply for the atmsys error.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to
>> >> >> >> > catch
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with
>> >> >> >> Notepad
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> Sysedit.
>> >> >> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
>> >> >> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> system.drv=system.drv
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen that
>> >> >> >> > allows
>> >> >> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers here and
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode and tried
>> >> >> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the system does
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded piece but I
>> >> >> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

 

[glee]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the 233/66
setting instead of the 450/100.

You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the cause
of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it is
weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the computer OFF
for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also the date
will be off....usually slow.

Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.

Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not the Soft
Menu)?

Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers installed,
you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed, you
need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.

Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other pointing
device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you need
to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.

Post back with whether you have these devices installed.

How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?

Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
> Hi Brian and Glen,
> Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
> does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
> message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
> boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
> file........asivmscv.vxd".
>
> Lew
> --
> LJB
>
>
> "Brian A." wrote:
>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Brian,
>> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
>> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
>> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>>
>> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find
>> the
>> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>>
>> >
>> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
>> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>> >
>> > Lew
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > LJB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
>> >> the
>> >> machine back in order.
>> >> Glen stated:
>> >> <quote>
>> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> </quote>
>> >>
>> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> >>
>> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
>> >> show
>> >> some
>> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
>> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the
>> >> FSB
>> >> may
>> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
>> >> to......
>> >>
>> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
>> >> safe
>> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
>> >> CR2032
>> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
>> >> different.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
>> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
>> >> > Should
>> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you
>> >> >> did
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
>> >> >> language
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
>> >> >> battery
>> >> >> holder or its clips.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
>> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> Lithium battery.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
>> >> >> BIOS
>> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then
>> >> >> Exit
>> >> >> Saving Changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >> >>
>> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
>> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE
>> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
>> >> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT
>> >> >> >> > MENU
>> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
>> >> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
>> >> >> >> > supply.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The
>> >> >> >> Soft
>> >> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
>> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
>> >> >> >> Saving
>> >> >> >> Changes
>> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
>> >> >> >> detect
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> defaults in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
>> >> >> >> coin-type
>> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> defaults,
>> >> >> >> save
>> >> >> >> changes and exit.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
>> >> >> >> > welcome
>> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows
>> >> >> >> > or a
>> >> >> >> > Widows application.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file,
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
>> >> >> >> > associated
>> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
>> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
>> >> >> >> > file.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
>> >> >> >> printer
>> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> file.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site.
>> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you
>> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> NEC
>> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> critical
>> >> >> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
>> >> >> >> Brian's
>> >> >> >> reply for the atmsys error.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to
>> >> >> >> > catch
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with
>> >> >> >> Notepad
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> Sysedit.
>> >> >> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
>> >> >> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> system.drv=system.drv
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > The system then shuts down but if I reboot I have a new screen that
>> >> >> >> > allows
>> >> >> >> > me to go into the safe mode. But there are only basic drivers here
>> >> >> >> > and I
>> >> >> >> > can't do much. I have gone to the HELP section in safe mode and tried
>> >> >> >> > several of the suggestions that have not resolved the problem.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I want to reinstall Windows98 SE but in the Safe Mode the system does
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > seem to recognize my CD drive. I know this is a long winded piece but
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > appreciate any help from you experts in cyberspace. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

 

[glee]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

You probably need to replace the battery after the number of years it has been in
use. If you are worried about breaking the retaining clip, you can always take it
to a reputable local shop to have the battery installed. See my other reply.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:7FC60CBA-9AA1-499E-9D70-200CF0A6DE06@microsoft.com...
> Hi MEB,
> Should I replace the battery which is a CR2032? There is a tight clip
> holding it in place that will be challenge to extract the battery and
> maintain the clip. I thought that since changing the CPU speed to 450/100
> and the boot now not hanging up at the "unworkable CPU" line this would mean
> there is not a battery problem?? I honestly don't know how the wrong CPU
> speed got into the BIOS but will refrain from starting up Windows until
> further help comes along from you or Brian and Glen. I guess they will pick
> up the newer posts even though they are not at the end of the thread?
> LJB
>
>
> "MEB" wrote:
>
>> Okay, you are hopefully, almost there...
>>
>> I'll let the original helpers or others work with you on the rest of the
>> corrections.
>>
>> As a "heads up" on what they and you will be doing [DO NOT try ANYTHING
>> until the full recovery plan is outlined] (Note specifically 3 and the
>> HOWEVER below):
>>
>> 1. You will be returning ALL prior manual modifications to the original
>> values [from DOS if possible].
>>
>> 2. You will be installing/returning to an older registry before the errors
>> occurred [hopefully one is available].
>>
>> 3. You MAY be uninstalling and reinstalling some drivers, as you have
>> *defaulted* the BIOS, which may not have been the original configuration
>> [though with CMOS loss and/or battery replacement, much of that would likely
>> have occurred anyway]. They will need to review aspects within the BIOS for
>> correct settings [such as PNP OS, PCI assignments, AGP settings/memory, hard
>> drive settings, Power Management, etc.], you will have to follow their
>> advise EXACTLY.
>>
>> 4. You MAY be cleaning old entries from the registry [may have to use SAFE
>> Mode prior to ANY normal boot].
>>
>> HOWEVER, as was originally suggested, the reason for this original hardware
>> failure should be addressed FIRST, that being, the apparent need to replace
>> your BIOS/CMOS battery. What you have accomplished with this CPU speed/FSB
>> check/reset, is to ensure POST can occur without error. That seems to have
>> been accomplished, but all will be lost the next time the power goes down,
>> or the computer is unplugged, or a *brown out* or power fluctuation causes
>> loss of CMOS...
>> Again, please STOP trying to enter Windows, as EVERY time you do, it makes
>> it infinitely more difficult to correct potential issues, and creates more
>> [for instance: Windows may be REMOVING/deleting driver files]...
>>
>> For a review of battery replacement refer back to Glen's 11-19-2007 post
>> [this discussion] related to such, and/or:
>>
>> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/cmos_battery.htm
>>
>> Okay, guys I'll be *waiting in the wings* [PS. the BIOS settings are
>> generally the same as would be for any Award BIOS].
>>
>> --
>> MEB
>> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> ________
>>
>>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:FD155F9B-D0F3-4131-8044-D3D356F33E9E@microsoft.com...
>> | Hi MEB,
>> | I found your note buried in the rest of the notes and when I read
>> | through it I went into the CMOS and changed the processor speed to
>> 450/100.
>> | Now when I boot up the error message "the computer is unworkable or has
>> been
>> | changed " no longer appears!!! And in order to get into the BIOS I must
>> now
>> | click DEL before the boot continues. Previously the computer would hang
>> up
>> | at "the computer is unworkable line" and sat there until I chose the next
>> | step, either the DEL key to get to the BIOS or the F1 key that would take
>> me
>> | to this screen:
>> |
>> | "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or a
>> | Widows application.
>> |
>> | The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file, but
>> | the device file no longer exists.
>> |
>> | If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the associated
>> | application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> |
>> | If you still want to use the application associated with this device
>> | file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing file.
>> |
>> | asivmsvc.vxd"
>> |
>> | However instead of having to click the F1 key to go further the computer
>> now
>> | boots directly to this screen (above) and then hangs up; and as before if
>> I
>> | hit any key a brief screen comes on that says "error loading
>> lmouse.drv...you
>> | must reinstall Windows". As you will note in my original note this error
>> | message referred to the "atsmy.drv", now changed to "lmouse.drv".
>> | Anyway changing the BIOS to the correct CPU speed has helped. In the
>> | BIOS the CPU SOFT MENU line which is the first line as you know is still
>> | outlined with exclamation marks fore and aft.
>> | Thanks for the help. I guess the others will pick up this change and
>> I
>> | await further thoughts from everyone.
>> |
>> | Lew
>> |
>> | --
>> | LJB
>> |
>> |
>> | "MEB" wrote:
>> |
>> | > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> | > news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
>> | > | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
>> | > | additional information.
>> | > | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly
>> lists
>> | > the
>> | > | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor
>> is
>> | > Intel
>> | > | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu.
>> The
>> | > CPU
>> | > | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
>> | > should
>> | > | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
>> | > |
>> | > | Lew
>> | > |
>> | > |
>> | > |
>> | > |
>> | > | --
>> | > | LJB
>> | > |
>> | >
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT
>> BH6
>> | > Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area,
>> NOT
>> | > the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very
>> top] as
>> | > SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
>> | >
>> | > The processor speed and setup is crutial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU
>> then
>> | > it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the
>> Front
>> | > Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly
>> as
>> | > you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a
>> 450]
>> | > at 233.
>> | > This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to
>> check
>> | > with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
>> | > examination.
>> | > Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless
>> identified
>> | > accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were
>> all
>> | > correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low
>> select
>> | > was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the
>> early
>> | > non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to
>> 100mhz. or
>> | > perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the
>> Turbo
>> | > setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
>> | > Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU
>> unless
>> | > that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
>> | > several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
>> | > Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to
>> be
>> | > manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
>> | > {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100
>> max.}].
>> | >
>> | > Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors
>> you
>> | > will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
>> | > going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of
>> errors...
>> | >
>> | > --
>> | > MEB
>> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> | > ________
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > |
>> | > | "glee" wrote:
>> | > |
>> | > | > Actually, some BIOS setup programs used the name "Setup Defaults"
>> for
>> | > the optimized
>> | > | > defaults. Of the setups I have seen that used that term, they
>> called
>> | > the "failsafe"
>> | > | > settings "BIOS Defaults". It can get confusing.
>> | > | >
>> | > | > Lew, to be clear, please look in your BIOS setup and tell us what
>> the
>> | > choices are
>> | > | > for loading default settings.....what are the names it uses for your
>> | > choices? Give
>> | > | > us that info along with the info Brian has requested.
>> | > | >
>> | > | > Also, you are adding stuff now that I don't recall seeing in your
>> | > earlier posts.
>> | > | > You mention "atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc" where before you only
>> mentioned
>> | > the first
>> | > | > file. What are the "etc" files? How many files are missing
>> according
>> | > to the
>> | > | > messages you receive at startup?
>> | > | > --
>> | > | > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> | > | >
>> | > | >
>> | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>> | > | > news:ePgvM$nKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> | > | > > Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> | > | > > Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so
>> we
>> | > can get the
>> | > | > > machine back in order.
>> | > | > > Glen stated:
>> | > | > > <quote>
>> | > | > > The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
>> Defaults".
>> | > | > > </quote>
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It
>> should
>> | > also show
>> | > | > > some other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> | > | > > Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model
>> and
>> | > the CPU
>> | > | > > installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me
>> | > that the FSB
>> | > | > > may have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to
>> match
>> | > the RAM
>> | > | > > to......
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out
>> to be
>> | > on the safe
>> | > | > > side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
>> | > mentioned the
>> | > | > > CR2032 is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare
>> | > occasions that
>> | > | > > one's different.
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > --
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> | > | > > Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> | > | > > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> | > | > > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > >
>> | > | > > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> | > | > > news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> | > | > >> Hi Glen,
>> | > | > >> Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
>> | > correct
>> | > | > >> processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the
>> same
>> | > | > >> "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes
>> precedence,
>> | > the
>> | > | > >> problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv,
>> etc)??
>> | > Should
>> | > | > >> I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything??
>> Thanks
>> | > | > >> --
>> | > | > >> LJB
>> | > | > >>
>> | > | > >>
>> | > | > >> "glee" wrote:
>> | > | > >>
>> | > | > >>> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If
>> so,
>> | > when you did
>> | > | > >>> the
>> | > | > >>> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized
>> Defaults...the
>> | > language may
>> | > | > >>> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
>> | > Defaults".
>> | > | > >>>
>> | > | > >>> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi Brian,
I had previously seen article 132008 which is the only one that seems to
refer to the "asivmsvc.vxd" file. I don't recall doing anything that would
relate to resolution #1 in the article. Resolution #2 does not fit either
since there is no missing device driver with a .386 extension.
I would be perfectly happy to reinstall Windows 98 (I have the CD) if I
could because I have most of the data stored on an older Orb backup disc and
could restore from there. However in Safe Mode my CD-ROM drive is not
recognized by the computer although the light goes on and in Device Manager
it is correctly listed.
I hope we are not at an impasse especially since there was some progress
made by changing the CPU speed and thereby removing one of the errors on
boot.

LJB




--
LJB


"Brian A." wrote:

> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Brian and Glen,
> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
> >
> > Lew
> > --
> > LJB
>
> Missing .vxd files:
> Error Message: Cannot Find a Device File That May Be Needed to Run Windows
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q132008
>
> Err Msg: Cannot Find a Device File That May Be Needed to Run...
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q166832
>
> ”Unable to Load the Dynamic Link Library” Error Message When You Install Drivers or
> Utilities
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q302590
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >
> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi Brian,
> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
> >>
> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find
> >> the
> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
> >> >
> >> > Lew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > --
> >> > LJB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
> >> >> the
> >> >> machine back in order.
> >> >> Glen stated:
> >> >> <quote>
> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >> </quote>
> >> >>
> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> >> >>
> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
> >> >> show
> >> >> some
> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the FSB
> >> >> may
> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
> >> >> to......
> >> >>
> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
> >> >> safe
> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
> >> >> different.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)?? Should
> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you
> >> >> >> did
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the language
> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
> >> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
> >> >> >> BIOS
> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then
> >> >> >> Exit
> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE
> >> >> >> >> >as
> >> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
> >> >> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT MENU
> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
> >> >> >> >> > nothing
> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
> >> >> >> >> > supply.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The
> >> >> >> >> Soft
> >> >> >> >> Menu
> >> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
> >> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
> >> >> >> >> Saving
> >> >> >> >> Changes
> >> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
> >> >> >> >> detect
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized) defaults
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
> >> >> >> >> coin-type
> >> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
> >> >> >> >> defaults,
> >> >> >> >> save
> >> >> >> >> changes and exit.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows welcome
> >> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows or
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > Widows application.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file,
> >> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
> >> >> >> >> > associated
> >> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
> >> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
> >> >> >> >> > file.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC printer
> >> >> >> >> driver
> >> >> >> >> file.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site. If
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you can
> >> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on the
> >> >> >> >> NEC
> >> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is not
> >> >> >> >> critical
> >> >> >> >> to fix right now.....your other problems need to be handled first. See
> >> >> >> >> Brian's
> >> >> >> >> reply for the atmsys error.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > If I click any key the next screen is very brief but I was able to
> >> >> >> >> > catch
> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> > with a camera and it reads: "error loading: atmsys.drv"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As mentioned by Brian, open the system.ini file in Safe Mode, with
> >> >> >> >> Notepad
> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> Sysedit.
> >> >> >> >> Under the [boot] heading, change the line:
> >> >> >> >> system.drv=atmsys.drv
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> system.drv=system.drv
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>

 

[MEB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer


well I thought I was outa here but:::

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:eyhknk$KIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eLWJGLzKIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
| > news:1457DB46-C91B-4BC9-8823-2A61338A9AF8@microsoft.com...
| > | I've reviewed the correspondence again and will attempt to provide the
| > | additional information.
| > | I previously stated that the BIOS (in CPU Soft Menu) correctly
lists
| > the
| > | processor and I went back to this area to be certain. The processor
is
| > Intel
| > | Pentium III 450 MHz MMX and that is what is listed in the soft menu.
The
| > CPU
| > | Operating Speed however is only at 233 (66) and I don't know if that
| > should
| > | be 450 instead?? I doubt if this is a factor however??
| > |
| > | Lew
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | LJB
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| > Just one more clarification, as I happen to be running the newer ABIT
BH6
| > Rev. 2 on one of these systems. SOFT MENU is the CPU/PCI/FSB setup area,
NOT
| > the area for normal BIOS setup. It will be shown [likely at the very
top] as
| > SOFT MENU, which you are to highlight and enter ....
| >
| > The processor speed and setup is crucial... IF you have a 450 mhz. CPU
then
| > it MUST Post as such [its not at 233]... In Soft Menu: check that the
Front
| > Side Bus [two defaults available - 450/66 or 450/100] is set correctly
as
| > you are presently at about half the supposed CPU speed [if actually a
450]
| > at 233.
| > This makes me think you have the 450/100, though it would be best to
check
| > with a DOS CPU test tool for the actual ID, or preferably by physical
| > examination.
|
| This helps somewhat confirm my suspicion as I mention in a response, now
that I see
| your mention of the 2 available defaults. If you know and for
clarification, if the
| FSB is set at (66) it is only running at 2/3 of the total speed, correct?
And
| wouldn't that be dealing with the AGP?

Works for both PCI and AGP. If one used the board in an overclock attempt
[user defined - non-default], one could not only change the CPU multiplier
[if not locked] and FSB, but also the BUS multipliers as well. Using either
1/1 or 2/3 for AGP {where 2/3 meant *CPU bus speed* divided by 3 times 2 -
1/1 used only with 66FSB AND AGP card at 66MHz {AGP 1.0 - 2x 4x}} as well as
the PCI. The limitation, as I'm sure you know, are the PCI cards installed
and whether they could also be overclocked, e.g., run at a faster frequency.
For instance, various PCI clocks may be offered {1/2; 1/3; 1/4} for a given
*Front Side Bus* speed.
A good example, given in the ABIT manual, explained it fairly well: "when
you select 117MHz (1/3) it means the PCI clock is 39MHz. If you set it to
117MHz (1/4) the PCI clock is 29MHz." So if the PCI card flaked out at the
faster clock, drop it back and it should work.
For instance: the PNY 5500FX PCI on a 133MHz FSB is set at 1/4 to give it
the 33MHz PCI standard [my present video card, it would work at 44 but the
other PCI cards can't].

These with the inclusion of USER defined soft set CPU core voltage,
provided just about everything a tweaker of that era needed in one menu. No
need to jumper anything. All in all, a pretty decent INTEL 440BX based
board.

|
| > Those LOCKED Intel processors would not *properly* boot unless
identified
| > accurately [or user defined] AND the FSB, AND PCI bus multiplier were
all
| > correct [or at least within a small overclock range]. The High/low
select
| > was only really useful for tweaking purposes unless dealing with the
early
| > non locked processors, where one would or could change a 66mhz to
100mhz. or
| > perhaps 83mhz or something {or a 100 to 66}.. and stay away from the
Turbo
| > setting [make sure its Off or disabled]...
|
| If I believe correctly the high/low was for overclocking as I understand
that board
| was an overclockers dream.

For its day... considering this board has run 24/7/365 [save for a month or
so] and ALWAYS in some overclocked mode since I bought it, I think it could
be safely said it was an overclocker's dream. Add in that for awhile it was
running cyclic Winstone/WinBench and 3dMark tests [while overclocked] for
application, video, and hard drive results, and I must admit, I have been
rather amazed. Killed a few video cards, a processor, a power supply, and
some memory chips, but the board still chugs along [knock on wood].
In comparison, the FIC Super7 [also once a prime overclockers board] is
still running, but an Elpina, Epox, Gigabit, and a couple others fried like
chickens.

And yes you are correct, either your board had the high/low 66/100 signal
soft set or you were taping off a CPU slot1 stripe, or scraping one away, or
some other modification to bypass the CPU limitor {before in chip locks-
shut off of the high/low select signal}.

| I agree on the Turbo, from what I've read basically useless.

Yeah, it tweaks EVERYTHING up 2.5% all at one time [on the ABIT boards],,,
AGP, voltages, etc... not a good idea for any length of time. Of course its
a built in tester,, think your CPU is getting flaky,, turbo it ... think a
capacitor is about to blow, turbo it ... just make sure you remove your PCI
cards first... and use DOS or some other OS tools for the tests

Anyway,, think we've taken up enough space in the thread, and there's a
computer to be fixed ;&. uhm just ask for ideas ... nothing works better
than a "clean boot" for the brain ...

|
| > Don't think, however, that you have the correct speed for the CPU unless
| > that is what it booted to before [or you know it for a fact]. I have had
| > several Intel CPUs which defaulted to slower speeds [properly shown as
| > Intel, but the BIOS thought they were a different CPU...] which had to
be
| > manually configured [for instance, this 733 which will default to a 450
| > {though that's because its a 133 FSB and BX boards default to 100
max.}].
| >
| > Again, the more you screw around with things in WINDOWS the more errors
you
| > will have if the CPU is wrong. It may try to boot, but each time VMM is
| > going to be removing drivers or reconfiguring causing all kinds of
errors...
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > ________
|
|
| --
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
|
|
|
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

 

[Brian A.]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Thanks for the clarification and now onto....

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi Glen,
I was able to locate the original installation discs for Logitech mouse
and the NEC printer and installed both. On boot the computer went straight
through to a Safe Mode presentation and the CD-ROM drive became functional.
I went ahead and reinstalled Windows 98 and was able to boot normally with
some minor IRQ and hardware errors primarily associated with the monitor
display. I have been able to transfer the files I wanted on older 5.25
floppies to the 3.5's and access them on my XP computer. So I am in business
again so to speak. There was one instance when the atsym.drv problem
recurred but I was able to change it in sytem.ini and a normal boot returned
to allow me to complete my goals. Special thanks to you and Brian for
helping me get though this debacle and returning the computer to a functional
state.
I have a housekeeping question. When I started this thread and then
checked back to see if there were any responses I could not find it listed
anywhere. I finally put my name in the Search box and it was found and I
saved the URL. I have just repeated the exercise going to discussion groups
and Windows 98 and do not see the thread. What is the secret?? Hope you all
had a good Thanksgiving.
Lew

A

--
LJB


"glee" wrote:

> That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
> Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the 233/66
> setting instead of the 450/100.
>
> You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the cause
> of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it is
> weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the computer OFF
> for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
> system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also the date
> will be off....usually slow.
>
> Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.
>
> Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not the Soft
> Menu)?
>
> Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
> SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers installed,
> you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed, you
> need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
> SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.
>
> Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other pointing
> device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you need
> to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.
>
> Post back with whether you have these devices installed.
>
> How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?
>
> Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>
>
> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Brian and Glen,
> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
> >
> > Lew
> > --
> > LJB
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >
> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi Brian,
> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
> >>
> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to find
> >> the
> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
> >> >
> >> > Lew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > --
> >> > LJB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
> >> >> the
> >> >> machine back in order.
> >> >> Glen stated:
> >> >> <quote>
> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >> </quote>
> >> >>
> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> >> >>
> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
> >> >> show
> >> >> some
> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the
> >> >> FSB
> >> >> may
> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
> >> >> to......
> >> >>
> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on the
> >> >> safe
> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned the
> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that one's
> >> >> different.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
> >> >> > Should
> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when you
> >> >> >> did
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
> >> >> >> language
> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break the
> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is the
> >> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge from
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in the
> >> >> >> BIOS
> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown, then
> >> >> >> Exit
> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window continues
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on the
> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98 SE
> >> >> >> >> >as
> >> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
> >> >> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT
> >> >> >> >> > MENU
> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
> >> >> >> >> > nothing
> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and power
> >> >> >> >> > supply.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The
> >> >> >> >> Soft
> >> >> >> >> Menu
> >> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
> >> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
> >> >> >> >> Saving
> >> >> >> >> Changes
> >> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
> >> >> >> >> detect
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
> >> >> >> >> defaults in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
> >> >> >> >> coin-type
> >> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
> >> >> >> >> defaults,
> >> >> >> >> save
> >> >> >> >> changes and exit.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
> >> >> >> >> > welcome
> >> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows
> >> >> >> >> > or a
> >> >> >> >> > Widows application.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device file,
> >> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
> >> >> >> >> > associated
> >> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this device
> >> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
> >> >> >> >> > file.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
> >> >> >> >> printer
> >> >> >> >> driver
> >> >> >> >> file.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer driver
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site.
> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you
> >> >> >> >> can
> >> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> NEC
> >> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer from
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is
> >> >> >> >> not

 

[glee]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Glad things are working for you.

Re: you last question....the secret is to NOT use the crappy web forum interface to
read and post questions and replies. Use Outlook Express as a newsgroup reader, or
some other third-party newsreader.

How to set up Outlook Express (OE) as a newsreader program to access the Microsoft
forums:
http://www.rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/resources/communities.htm#setupmsnews

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:CB649FE7-D0D1-4B88-9072-A838559D8911@microsoft.com...
> Hi Glen,
> I was able to locate the original installation discs for Logitech mouse
> and the NEC printer and installed both. On boot the computer went straight
> through to a Safe Mode presentation and the CD-ROM drive became functional.
> I went ahead and reinstalled Windows 98 and was able to boot normally with
> some minor IRQ and hardware errors primarily associated with the monitor
> display. I have been able to transfer the files I wanted on older 5.25
> floppies to the 3.5's and access them on my XP computer. So I am in business
> again so to speak. There was one instance when the atsym.drv problem
> recurred but I was able to change it in sytem.ini and a normal boot returned
> to allow me to complete my goals. Special thanks to you and Brian for
> helping me get though this debacle and returning the computer to a functional
> state.
> I have a housekeeping question. When I started this thread and then
> checked back to see if there were any responses I could not find it listed
> anywhere. I finally put my name in the Search box and it was found and I
> saved the URL. I have just repeated the exercise going to discussion groups
> and Windows 98 and do not see the thread. What is the secret?? Hope you all
> had a good Thanksgiving.
> Lew
>
> A
>
> --
> LJB
>
>
> "glee" wrote:
>
>> That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
>> Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the 233/66
>> setting instead of the 450/100.
>>
>> You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the
>> cause
>> of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it is
>> weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the computer
>> OFF
>> for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
>> system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also the
>> date
>> will be off....usually slow.
>>
>> Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.
>>
>> Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not the
>> Soft
>> Menu)?
>>
>> Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
>> SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers installed,
>> you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed, you
>> need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
>> SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.
>>
>> Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other
>> pointing
>> device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you
>> need
>> to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.
>>
>> Post back with whether you have these devices installed.
>>
>> How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?
>>
>> Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>>
>>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Brian and Glen,
>> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
>> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
>> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
>> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
>> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
>> >
>> > Lew
>> > --
>> > LJB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Brian,
>> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
>> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
>> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>> >>
>> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to
>> >> find
>> >> the
>> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
>> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>> >> >
>> >> > Lew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> machine back in order.
>> >> >> Glen stated:
>> >> >> <quote>
>> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> >> </quote>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
>> >> >> show
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the
>> >> >> CPU
>> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the
>> >> >> FSB
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
>> >> >> to......
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> safe
>> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that
>> >> >> one's
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
>> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
>> >> >> > Should
>> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> did
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
>> >> >> >> language
>> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
>> >> >> >> Defaults".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> BIOS
>> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown,
>> >> >> >> then
>> >> >> >> Exit
>> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
>> >> >> >> > continues
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
>> >> >> >> > battery
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98
>> >> >> >> >> >SE
>> >> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
>> >> >> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes
>> >> >> >> >> > on:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT
>> >> >> >> >> > MENU
>> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
>> >> >> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and
>> >> >> >> >> > power
>> >> >> >> >> > supply.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed.
>> >> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> >> Soft
>> >> >> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
>> >> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
>> >> >> >> >> Saving
>> >> >> >> >> Changes
>> >> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
>> >> >> >> >> detect
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> >> defaults in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> coin-type
>> >> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> >> defaults,
>> >> >> >> >> save
>> >> >> >> >> changes and exit.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
>> >> >> >> >> > welcome
>> >> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run
>> >> >> >> >> > Windows
>> >> >> >> >> > or a
>> >> >> >> >> > Widows application.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
>> >> >> >> >> > file,
>> >> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
>> >> >> >> >> > associated
>> >> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
>> >> >> >> >> > device
>> >> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
>> >> >> >> >> > file.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
>> >> >> >> >> printer
>> >> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> >> file.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
>> >> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site.
>> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you
>> >> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> NEC
>> >> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer
>> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is
>> >> >> >> >> not

 

[Brian A.]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:CB649FE7-D0D1-4B88-9072-A838559D8911@microsoft.com...
> Hi Glen,
> I was able to locate the original installation discs for Logitech mouse
> and the NEC printer and installed both. On boot the computer went straight
> through to a Safe Mode presentation and the CD-ROM drive became functional.
> I went ahead and reinstalled Windows 98 and was able to boot normally with
> some minor IRQ and hardware errors primarily associated with the monitor
> display.

Was it a new install (format hd) or an install over the top?
Have you cleared up the IRQ problems?

I have been able to transfer the files I wanted on older 5.25
> floppies to the 3.5's and access them on my XP computer. So I am in business
> again so to speak. There was one instance when the atsym.drv problem
> recurred but I was able to change it in sytem.ini and a normal boot returned
> to allow me to complete my goals. Special thanks to you and Brian for
> helping me get though this debacle and returning the computer to a functional
> state.

If all is well without issue, glad to hear it and you're welcome.

> I have a housekeeping question. When I started this thread and then
> checked back to see if there were any responses I could not find it listed
> anywhere. I finally put my name in the Search box and it was found and I
> saved the URL. I have just repeated the exercise going to discussion groups
> and Windows 98 and do not see the thread. What is the secret??

As Glen mentioned, get away from the web based CDO crap.

Hope you all
> had a good Thanksgiving.

Sure did, quite full-filling.

> Lew
>
> A
>
> --
> LJB


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



>
>
> "glee" wrote:
>
>> That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
>> Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the 233/66
>> setting instead of the 450/100.
>>
>> You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the
>> cause
>> of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it is
>> weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the computer
>> OFF
>> for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
>> system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also the
>> date
>> will be off....usually slow.
>>
>> Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.
>>
>> Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not the
>> Soft
>> Menu)?
>>
>> Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
>> SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers installed,
>> you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed, you
>> need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
>> SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.
>>
>> Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other pointing
>> device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you need
>> to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.
>>
>> Post back with whether you have these devices installed.
>>
>> How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?
>>
>> Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>>
>>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Brian and Glen,
>> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
>> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
>> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
>> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
>> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
>> >
>> > Lew
>> > --
>> > LJB
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Brian,
>> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
>> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
>> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>> >>
>> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to
>> >> find
>> >> the
>> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
>> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>> >> >
>> >> > Lew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> machine back in order.
>> >> >> Glen stated:
>> >> >> <quote>
>> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> >> </quote>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
>> >> >> show
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
>> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the
>> >> >> FSB
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
>> >> >> to......
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> safe
>> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that
>> >> >> one's
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
>> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
>> >> >> > Should
>> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> did
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
>> >> >> >> language
>> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
>> >> >> >> Defaults".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> BIOS
>> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown,
>> >> >> >> then
>> >> >> >> Exit
>> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
>> >> >> >> > continues
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98
>> >> >> >> >> >SE
>> >> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
>> >> >> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT
>> >> >> >> >> > MENU
>> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
>> >> >> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and
>> >> >> >> >> > power
>> >> >> >> >> > supply.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The BIOS setup program has forgotten what processor is installed. The
>> >> >> >> >> Soft
>> >> >> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> >> >> allows you to choose the processor speed. It sounds like your CMOS
>> >> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> dying, causing the system to lose its settings.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Often just entering the BIOS setup, then choosing the option to Exit
>> >> >> >> >> Saving
>> >> >> >> >> Changes
>> >> >> >> >> (even though you made no changes) will allow the system to properly
>> >> >> >> >> detect
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> processor again. You may need to also load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> >> defaults in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> BIOS setup.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You may need to replace the CMOS battery on the motherboard (usually a
>> >> >> >> >> coin-type
>> >> >> >> >> battery), then enter the BIOS setup and load setup (or optimized)
>> >> >> >> >> defaults,
>> >> >> >> >> save
>> >> >> >> >> changes and exit.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Do you happen to know what processor is installed?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > If I click the F1 button the computer goes to the brief Windows
>> >> >> >> >> > welcome
>> >> >> >> >> > screen and then to another screen that is this:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "Cannot find a device file that may be needed to run Windows
>> >> >> >> >> > or a
>> >> >> >> >> > Widows application.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > The windows registry or SYSTEM.INI file refers to this device
>> >> >> >> >> > file,
>> >> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> >> > the device file no longer exists.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If you deleted this file on purpose, try uninstalling the
>> >> >> >> >> > associated
>> >> >> >> >> > application using its uninstall or setup program.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If you still want to use the application associated with this
>> >> >> >> >> > device
>> >> >> >> >> > file, try reinstalling that application to replace the missing
>> >> >> >> >> > file.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > asivmsvc.vxd"
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> In answer to this portion of your question, asivmsvc.vxd is a NEC
>> >> >> >> >> printer
>> >> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> >> file.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Once you get the system working you can reinstall the NEC printer
>> >> >> >> >> driver
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> software from its disc, or from a download from the NEC support site.
>> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> >> longer use and had removed the NEC printer, after reinstalling it you
>> >> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> >> >> uninstall it via Add/Remove Programs or via the Uninstall shortcut on
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> NEC
>> >> >> >> >> printer's Start Menu> Programs menu. Don't just remove the printer
>> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> Printers control panel.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The error messge does not affect the running of your system, so it is
>> >> >> >> >> not

 

[LewB]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

Hi Brian,
Several problems remain but minor compared to what I started with.

"Was it a new install (format hd) or an install over the top?
Have you cleared up the IRQ problems?"

I installed over the top. I was fearful of fomatting everything and not
having use of my CD-ROM drive to do a fresh install. That shouldn't happen
but with my original problem I had no CD-ROM function until you folks helped.

"Have you cleared up the IRQ problems?"

Not really IRQ. The monitor shares input/output memory range with another
device that I can't identify but still is functional. I cannot change the
monitor setings and it runs in 640/480 mode with no font control etc.

Lew

--
LJB


"Brian A." wrote:

> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> news:CB649FE7-D0D1-4B88-9072-A838559D8911@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Glen,
> > I was able to locate the original installation discs for Logitech mouse
> > and the NEC printer and installed both. On boot the computer went straight
> > through to a Safe Mode presentation and the CD-ROM drive became functional.
> > I went ahead and reinstalled Windows 98 and was able to boot normally with
> > some minor IRQ and hardware errors primarily associated with the monitor
> > display.
>
> >
> I have been able to transfer the files I wanted on older 5.25
> > floppies to the 3.5's and access them on my XP computer. So I am in business
> > again so to speak. There was one instance when the atsym.drv problem
> > recurred but I was able to change it in sytem.ini and a normal boot returned
> > to allow me to complete my goals. Special thanks to you and Brian for
> > helping me get though this debacle and returning the computer to a functional
> > state.
>
> If all is well without issue, glad to hear it and you're welcome.
>
> > I have a housekeeping question. When I started this thread and then
> > checked back to see if there were any responses I could not find it listed
> > anywhere. I finally put my name in the Search box and it was found and I
> > saved the URL. I have just repeated the exercise going to discussion groups
> > and Windows 98 and do not see the thread. What is the secret??
>
> As Glen mentioned, get away from the web based CDO crap.
>
> Hope you all
> > had a good Thanksgiving.
>
> Sure did, quite full-filling.
>
> > Lew
> >
> > A
> >
> > --
> > LJB
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > "glee" wrote:
> >
> >> That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
> >> Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the 233/66
> >> setting instead of the 450/100.
> >>
> >> You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the
> >> cause
> >> of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it is
> >> weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the computer
> >> OFF
> >> for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
> >> system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also the
> >> date
> >> will be off....usually slow.
> >>
> >> Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.
> >>
> >> Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not the
> >> Soft
> >> Menu)?
> >>
> >> Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
> >> SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers installed,
> >> you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed, you
> >> need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
> >> SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.
> >>
> >> Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other pointing
> >> device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you need
> >> to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.
> >>
> >> Post back with whether you have these devices installed.
> >>
> >> How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?
> >>
> >> Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >>
> >>
> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi Brian and Glen,
> >> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
> >> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
> >> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and it
> >> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
> >> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
> >> >
> >> > Lew
> >> > --
> >> > LJB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi Brian,
> >> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web I
> >> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
> >> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to
> >> >> find
> >> >> the
> >> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not done
> >> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lew
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
> >> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can get
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> machine back in order.
> >> >> >> Glen stated:
> >> >> >> <quote>
> >> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
> >> >> >> </quote>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should also
> >> >> >> show
> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
> >> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the CPU
> >> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that the
> >> >> >> FSB
> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the RAM
> >> >> >> to......
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be on
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> safe
> >> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen mentioned
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that
> >> >> >> one's
> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
> >> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the correct
> >> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
> >> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
> >> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
> >> >> >> > Should
> >> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so, when
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> did
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
> >> >> >> >> language
> >> >> >> >> may
> >> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
> >> >> >> >> Defaults".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to break
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common is
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> CR2032
> >> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic Discharge
> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> BIOS
> >> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown,
> >> >> >> >> then
> >> >> >> >> Exit
> >> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
> >> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
> >> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
> >> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
> >> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
> >> >> >> >> > continues
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
> >> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the battery
> >> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it on
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
> >> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> >> > LJB
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has Win98
> >> >> >> >> >> >SE
> >> >> >> >> >> >as
> >> >> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
> >> >> >> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes on:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU SOFT
> >> >> >> >> >> > MENU
> >> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
> >> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
> >> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there is
> >> >> >> >> >> > nothing
> >> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and
> >> >> >> >> >> > power
> >> >> >> >> >> > supply.

 

[glee]

Re: Unable to boot/start win98 computer

That's not the monitor, that's the display adapter (video card). Monitors do not
have input/output memory ranges.

If you cannot change your display from 640x480 and cannot change the color
resolution, you don't have the correct display drivers installed. Is this something
that occurred after you did the over-install, or was it like this before that?

Go to Control Panel> Display> Settings tab> Advanced button> Adapter tab.
What adapter is listed there as the installed adapter?

Download, install, and run EVEREST Free Edition:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html

You can use it to find the true identity of your display adapter so you can download
drivers for it if needed.

Why did you overinstall Windows in the first place? I thought we had gotten your
various error messages cleared up.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
news:3DCA256C-35AE-4E2C-87BC-45B1DBBDC542@microsoft.com...
> Hi Brian,
> Several problems remain but minor compared to what I started with.
>
> "Was it a new install (format hd) or an install over the top?
> Have you cleared up the IRQ problems?"
>
> I installed over the top. I was fearful of fomatting everything and not
> having use of my CD-ROM drive to do a fresh install. That shouldn't happen
> but with my original problem I had no CD-ROM function until you folks helped.
>
> "Have you cleared up the IRQ problems?"
>
> Not really IRQ. The monitor shares input/output memory range with another
> device that I can't identify but still is functional. I cannot change the
> monitor setings and it runs in 640/480 mode with no font control etc.
>
> Lew
>
> --
> LJB
>
>
> "Brian A." wrote:
>
>> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> news:CB649FE7-D0D1-4B88-9072-A838559D8911@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Glen,
>> > I was able to locate the original installation discs for Logitech mouse
>> > and the NEC printer and installed both. On boot the computer went straight
>> > through to a Safe Mode presentation and the CD-ROM drive became functional.
>> > I went ahead and reinstalled Windows 98 and was able to boot normally with
>> > some minor IRQ and hardware errors primarily associated with the monitor
>> > display.
>>
>> >
>> I have been able to transfer the files I wanted on older 5.25
>> > floppies to the 3.5's and access them on my XP computer. So I am in business
>> > again so to speak. There was one instance when the atsym.drv problem
>> > recurred but I was able to change it in sytem.ini and a normal boot returned
>> > to allow me to complete my goals. Special thanks to you and Brian for
>> > helping me get though this debacle and returning the computer to a functional
>> > state.
>>
>> If all is well without issue, glad to hear it and you're welcome.
>>
>> > I have a housekeeping question. When I started this thread and then
>> > checked back to see if there were any responses I could not find it listed
>> > anywhere. I finally put my name in the Search box and it was found and I
>> > saved the URL. I have just repeated the exercise going to discussion groups
>> > and Windows 98 and do not see the thread. What is the secret??
>>
>> As Glen mentioned, get away from the web based CDO crap.
>>
>> Hope you all
>> > had a good Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Sure did, quite full-filling.
>>
>> > Lew
>> >
>> > A
>> >
>> > --
>> > LJB
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "glee" wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's why I was asking if you had the correct processor selected in the Soft
>> >> Menu....not what it says it is, but what is selected. You were using the
>> >> 233/66
>> >> setting instead of the 450/100.
>> >>
>> >> You may not need to replace the CMOS battery yet, but it is likely that's the
>> >> cause
>> >> of the initial problem with the BIOS settings change. You can determine if it
>> >> is
>> >> weak by observing if you lose the BIOS settings again after having the
>> >> computer
>> >> OFF
>> >> for *at least* an overnight period, or longer. Also, if it is weak, after the
>> >> system has been shut off overnight or for a day, the time and possibly also
>> >> the
>> >> date
>> >> will be off....usually slow.
>> >>
>> >> Given the age of the BH-6 board, it is due for a battery replacement.
>> >>
>> >> Do you now have the BIOS set to Setup Defaults (in the main BIOS Setup, not
>> >> the
>> >> Soft
>> >> Menu)?
>> >>
>> >> Regarding your other errors,the ASIVMSVC.VXD file appears to be part of an NEC
>> >> SuperScript printer driver package. If you have one of these printers
>> >> installed,
>> >> you need to reinstall the driver. If you don't have one of these installed,
>> >> you
>> >> need to get rid of the troublesome entry in the Registry, or reinstall the NEC
>> >> SuperScript driver, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs.
>> >>
>> >> Likewise the LMOUSE missing file....if you have a Logitech mouse or other
>> >> pointing
>> >> device, you need to reinstall the driver. If there is no Logitech mouse, you
>> >> need
>> >> to get rid of the Registry entry calling that file.
>> >>
>> >> Post back with whether you have these devices installed.
>> >>
>> >> How is Windows currently performing after you get past these error messages?
>> >>
>> >> Are there any errors or problems shown when you look in Device Manager?
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> news:E52C1BB3-7E43-4B69-8525-329D4C823304@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Brian and Glen,
>> >> > Please note my post to MEB I just sent. He suggested that the CPU speed
>> >> > does not match up in the BIOS so I changed it to 450/100 and the error
>> >> > message on booting (the computer is unworkable,etc) no longer comes up and
>> >> > it
>> >> > boots directly to the page that says "cannot find a device
>> >> > file........asivmscv.vxd".
>> >> >
>> >> > Lew
>> >> > --
>> >> > LJB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:5110AA95-62ED-412C-BA80-AC3AC968F333@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hi Brian,
>> >> >> > I sent a longer note earlier but looking for my motherboard on the Web
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > came up wih this that looks like mine.
>> >> >> > http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/bh6.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've seen that already along with many other pages like it, I'm trying to
>> >> >> find
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> BIOS setting docs which are eluding me at the moment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hope this helps along with the other info I sent earlier. I have not
>> >> >> > done
>> >> >> > anything further pending comments/suggestions from you and GLen.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Lew
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Brian A." wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Lew, Lew, Lew. What are we going to do with you?
>> >> >> >> Please read the responses carefully and follow them explicitly so we can
>> >> >> >> get
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> machine back in order.
>> >> >> >> Glen stated:
>> >> >> >> <quote>
>> >> >> >> The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe Defaults".
>> >> >> >> </quote>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You loaded the Default Setup, no, no, no.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I notice you mention the Soft Menu shows the correct CPU. It should
>> >> >> >> also
>> >> >> >> show
>> >> >> >> some
>> >> >> >> other settings such as the AGP, RAM, FSB, etc.
>> >> >> >> Could you please provide the Motherboard manufacturer/make/model and the
>> >> >> >> CPU
>> >> >> >> installed so I/we can look up information on it. It appears to me that
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> FSB
>> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> have been changed from what it should be to match the CPU to match the
>> >> >> >> RAM
>> >> >> >> to......
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Batteries are cheap enough, may as well pick one up to swap out to be
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> safe
>> >> >> >> side. Make sure you get the correct one for your mobo, as Glen
>> >> >> >> mentioned
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> >> is the most prominent one around, yet there are the rare occasions that
>> >> >> >> one's
>> >> >> >> different.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
>> >> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:06C4EA41-94A6-4B1E-87D2-1B0D01745075@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> >> > Responding to your last reply the BIOS Soft Menu does show the
>> >> >> >> > correct
>> >> >> >> > processor and I entered "Load Setup Defaults" and saved but the same
>> >> >> >> > "unworkable CPU" line comes up on reboot. Which takes precedence, the
>> >> >> >> > problem with CMOS or the file problem ("atmsy.drv; lmouse.drv, etc)??
>> >> >> >> > Should
>> >> >> >> > I proceed to install a new battery in view of everything?? Thanks
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Is the BIOS setup Soft Menu showing the correct processor? If so,
>> >> >> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> did
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> "routine", did you Load Setup Defaults (or Optimized Defaults...the
>> >> >> >> >> language
>> >> >> >> >> may
>> >> >> >> >> vary)? The idea is to NOT load the "BIOS defaults" or "FailSafe
>> >> >> >> >> Defaults".
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> If you do replace the battery, you need to be very careful not to
>> >> >> >> >> break
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> battery
>> >> >> >> >> holder or its clips.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You must use the exact battery number replacement...the most common
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> CR2032
>> >> >> >> >> Lithium battery.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You must turn off AND UNPLUG the computer first.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You must follow proper ESD procedures to avoid ElectroStatic
>> >> >> >> >> Discharge
>> >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> your
>> >> >> >> >> body that could damage you motherboard's electronics.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> After replacing the battery, you may need to Load Optimized Defaults
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> BIOS
>> >> >> >> >> setup again, and also make sure the correct processor is being shown,
>> >> >> >> >> then
>> >> >> >> >> Exit
>> >> >> >> >> Saving Changes.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> How to Avoid Destroying a Computer With Electrostatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Destroying-a-Computer-With-Electrostatic-Discharge
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> How to replace the CMOS battery
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/tutorial/article/how-to-replace-the-cmos-battery
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> CMOS battery 2032
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=CMOS+battery+2032&um=1&ie=UTF-8
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:835B9238-F568-4166-9F1A-33221AEC4C93@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >> >> >> > I tried the "exit with savings" routine but the boot window
>> >> >> >> >> > continues
>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > show that the CPU is unworkable or has been changed.
>> >> >> >> >> > The processor is a Pentium III 450 MHz. I'll try to find the
>> >> >> >> >> > battery
>> >> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> >> > replacement. I've not done that before but believe I have seen it
>> >> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > motherboard. Thanks for the input.
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> > LJB
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Replies inline....
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "LewB" <whoislew@hotmail.com(sparethespam)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> news:7DA990A9-2165-4BAA-A1B5-F032CD4E0C5D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I am trying to rescue some old files from a computer that has
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Win98
>> >> >> >> >> >> >SE
>> >> >> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS. The computer did function until recently and I obviously did
>> >> >> >> >> >> > something
>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrong. Now when I power up this error message immediately comes
>> >> >> >> >> >> > on:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > "CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck-CPU
>> >> >> >> >> >> > SOFT
>> >> >> >> >> >> > MENU
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter SETUP
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Award Modular BIOS v4.5lPG, An Energy Star Ally
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Pentium III CPU at 300 MHz"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > If I go into CMOS via DEL there is a CPU SOFT MENU II but there
>> >> >> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> >> >> >> > there to effect a change; only lists the CPU operating Speed and
>> >> >> >> >> >> > power
>> >> >> >> >> >> > supply.