Re: Scandisk and external 320GB USB HD
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:37:07 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >| The SiS 7001 / 7002 controllers are on the motherboard. The SiS 7001
| >| is the 1.1 controller, and the SiS 7002 is 2.0.
| >|
| >| I have been struggling to get the drive to connect at USB 2.0. No
| >| matter what I do, Usbview always shows that the device is attached to
| >| the SiS 7001. :-(
| >
| > Is it possible to disable that 7001 in Device Manager forcing 2.0 [or
| >remove the 7001]?
|
| The problem is that I don't know whether the chipset is switching
| between USB controllers on its own, or whether the driver is doing it.
Did you try something like filemon or regmon by sysinternals to observe
what was going on?
Potential registry settings?
|
| Anyway, I disabled both USB 1.1 controllers in DM and got a blue
| screen error (openhci.sys) when I launched usbview.exe. I launched it
| a second time and this time I saw that the SiS 7001 entries were still
| present but there were no data associated with them. The USB 2.0
| controller showed up as usual but the HD was not attached to it.
So you were apparently using the 1.1 aspect, killed that, BSODed, restarted
the computer, and the 2.0 didn't kick in?
Did you do a *Find New Harware* to correct registry, VMM, and other
aspects?
|
| >Or did you check to see what Device Manger shows [like its
| >not configured to use 1.1 compatibility or something]?
|
| I don't see anything like that.
Opps, my error, sometimes I forget what I'm discussing...
|
| >| FWIW, I'm using the Orangeware driver. It installs OK, but maybe it is
| >| not enabled for SiS controllers. ??? BTW, USB 2.0 is enabled in the
| >| BIOS.
| >
| >Q: Can you tell me briefly about your driver?
|
| >The USB 2.0 software drivers give the user the ability to utilize USB 2.0
| >High Speed devices with their NEC, Intel and many more devices. These
| >software drivers are compatible with the Mac OS X, and with the Windows
98,
| >98SE, Me, 2000, XP and Server 2003.
| >
| >The software driver is customized with the customer's unique subvendor
and
| >subdevice ID numbers. The customization process requires that the USB 2.0
| >device have an EEPROM chip. The customer programs the EEPROM chip with
its
| >unique subvendor and subdevice ID combination. OrangeWare engineers
program
| >the ID combination directly into the software code preventing the
software
| >driver from operating on any unlicensed hardware. The software driver
must
| >detect the unique subvendor and subdevice ID combination in the EEPROM
chip
| >and match it with one of the combinations programmed in the software code
in
| >order for the driver to work.
|
| >
http://www.orangeware.com/developers/faq_usb2.html
|
| Thanks for that. I had already noticed that and I can confirm that the
| subvendor and subdevice IDs that appear in my registry are not
| supported in OrangeWare's INF file. I had considered editing the INF
| to include them, but after reading OrangeWare's FAQ I decided that it
| would be pointless. I'll do it anyway, though, as I'm getting
| desperate.
|
| BTW, I looked around the southbridge chip for the EEPROM but found
| only unpopulated IC locations. Maybe the southbridge is internally
| programmed for ECS by SiS ???
|
| FWIW, my M571 socket 7 board has the same SiS 7001 controller but its
| sub IDs are zeroes.
|
| >| Anyway, despite my initial enthusiasm, it looks like any HD testing is
| >| going to be unbearably slow. If it's going to take a whole day for
| >| scandisk to run, then it's not worth pursuing this idea.
| >
| > Looks that way, particularly with your USB limited access.
|
| Well, USB 1.1 maxes out at 12 Mbit/s, so this would mean that it would
| take about 2.5 days to fill the whole disc with data. :-(
|
| > If you noted, there is another offering on MGDX that supplies an
| >alternative using the old Helix Nuts & Bolts disk maintenance utilities
| >[which were a heck of a lot faster than default Microsoft tools]. Then
| >again, I have no indication [or test results] they would even work upon
| >disks as large as those being tested...
| >
http://www.mdgx.com/files/diskmind.php
| >
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm
| >
http://www.mdgx.com/files/DISKMIND.EXE
| >FROM THE INCLUDED DISKMIND.txt:
| >DMindr32 + DmDOS support FAT12, FAT16 + FAT32.
| >Both should *theoretically* support all (E)IDE/(U)DMA/(P)ATA/SATA hard
| >drives/partitions up to 2 TB (TeraBytes). More testing is needed. [?]
| >DMindr32 supports Long File Names (LFNs).
| >DmDOS does NOT support LFNs because native MS-DOS does NOT support LFNs
| >without a dedicated tool like DOSLFN (free open source):
| >
http://www.geocities.com/jadoxa/doslfn/
| >loaded in memory (as TSR) from native MS-DOS command line [or
autoexec.bat]
| >
| >REFERENCED HERE:
|
>http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46581&view=findpost&p=323675
| >
| > I do remember [back in the day] there was some trick involved, where you
| >could replace the default scandisk with these tools.. [but what, my
memory
| >isn't that good /renaming to scandisk or something\]
|
| I'll have to get to this later because at the moment I can't keep my
| external HD or enclosure from hanging. Originally I thought it was an
| Explorer issue, but now I have managed to make it hang while running
| Xcopy in a DOS box on my socket 7 machine.
Ah, that code and EEPROM activity/identity is also related to the actual
device.......
|
| Tomorrow I intend to hook up the kit to my friend's XP / USB 2.0 PC.
| That should help me narrow down the problem.
Well don't forget that WILL at least add information to the first track of
the disk,,,, remember??
|
| <snip>
|
| >| I'm using the files provided with the Maximus Decim driver set.
| >|
| >| Driver: USBNTMAP.SYS
| >| File Size: 7136 (0x1BE0)
| >| File Date: 2/17/2003 6:29 AM
| >| Company Name: Microsoft Corporation
| >| File Version: 4.90.3000
| >|
| >| Driver: USBSTOR.SYS
| >| File Size: 21040 (0x5230)
| >| File Date: 2/17/2003 6:29 AM
| >| Company Name: Microsoft Corporation
| >| File Version: 4.90.3000.1
| >
| > Hmm, that didn't help me, I show those in the 23E and the 31 version.
Which
| >version did you use?
|
| I can't remember, but my usbstor.inf file has this annotation:
|
| ;Maximus Decim modified - 06/14/2006, 01.02
I only have the 23E, 24 update, and the 31 versions locally so I can't tell
you what the full 24 would have been, BUT within the two full versions
usbstor.inf:
23E -
;Maximus Decim modified - 06/14/2006, 01.02
31 -
;Maximus Decim modified - 06/14/2006, 01.02
;Maximus Decim modified - 08/31/2006, 01.03 add iPod, fix Sony Digital
Camera
;Maximus Decim modified - 09/02/2006, 01.04 add LayoutFile
;Maximus Decim modified - 25/01/2007, 01.05 add wdmstub, remove USB FDD,
add CnMemory
;Maximus Decim modified - 07/03/2007, 01.06 remove wdmstub,
There were warnings regarding the 31 that ALL USB drivers, hubs, etc.,
needed removed BEFORE installing, but looking within the zip and the
contained files and INFs, I think that was not only advisable, but for full
effect of what this version addressed. It was a MAJOR new driver
setup/generic support ... designed to address a number of issues observed
concerning the older versions, and difficulties *cross driving* [necessity
to use extra/other drivers] USB devices. I wish I could say I tested it, but
I have no present USB 2.0 devices.
|
| >| > Are there other USB devices attached which might be affecting the
| >bandwidth
| >| >or power available [e.g., keyboard, printer, modem, etc., and device
| >| >positioning/assigment/settings; any additional hub involved]?
| >|
| >| No, its purely a 1.1 versus 2.0 issue. I have a USB printer, but it's
| >| turned off.
| >
| > I think your correct, iron that out and you will at least have full
| >bandwidth..
|
| There are two 1.1 root hubs with three ports each. The printer is on a
| different hub.
|
| >| >| What's complicating things is that, if I play around with Explorer
| >| >| while the batch is running, the directory structure can become
| >| >| corrupted, and sometimes the machine, or HD, hangs. Otherwise, if I
| >| >| leave things alone, then the batch completes without incident. It
took
| >| >| me a while to figure this out, but I still don't understand why it
| >| >| happens.
| >| >|
| >| >| - Franc Zabkar
| >|
| >| > Did you setup or run these batches with standard, or background, or
| >| >modified priority settings?
| >| > Did you setup or run these batches with automatic pause, or other
| >| >re-assignment, should the system and/or applications require more
memory
| >or
| >| >priority?
| >| > Did you setup or run these batches with exclusive, standard, or
modified
| >| >memory settings?
| >| > Are you allowing or using or attempting any visual aspects within or
| >| >related to running these batches [e.g., DOS box, monitoring, or
| >otherwise]?
| >|
| >| I'm just running them in a Windows DOS box with nothing else running
| >| in the background. No special settings.
| >
| > Well I would attempt to setup something else, though that's likely hit
or
| >miss... then again you're really only testing for your intended use >
DivX
| >and 98, will they play well together with this large disk...
|
| I've copied a bunch of test AVI files to the drive and had them
| playing just fine via the USB 1.1 port on my $40 supermarket DVD
| player.
|
| My next step is to determine whether the DVD player will recognise
| more than one partition, and whether it has any file limits, etc.
|
| Incidentally there were no hangs while I was playing these files
| through my DVD. Maybe it's a write issue.
I would think its more the attempts in these two hard drive discussions, to
use DOS... makes me question whether its a DOS test or Windows.... if it is
DOS, then your in an entirely OLD world ... really, what do you expect,
everything to run properly and fast??? There is a whole other set of
limitations and constraints in that area.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
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