Tricky Win98 Format

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Hello everyone,

It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
forgive any netiquette faux pas...

I have what might be a bit of a tricky format of a Win98 machine...

It's P200MMX with two HDs. The master drive is the older and slower of
the two, and contains the system files; the slave is the newer and
faster, and has windows installed on it.

I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
an internal backup, as storage only.

So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
importantly, in what order should I do it? I'm worried about
formatting the wrong drive first, and then being 'stuck' without
control of the machine to finish the format/reinstall.

As you can see I really don't know a lot about this kind of thing, and
although I've tried to research the different aspects of this problem
separately, the fact that what I'm trying to do is a little convoluted
isn't helping.

OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if this
has been answered before.

I'll check this group as often as I can (twice a week at least) and
give extra details/clarification as they're needed.

Thanking you in advance,

Wawrzyniec.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format



Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
> forgive any netiquette faux pas...
>
> I have what might be a bit of a tricky format of a Win98 machine...
>
> It's P200MMX with two HDs. The master drive is the older and slower of
> the two, and contains the system files; the slave is the newer and
> faster, and has windows installed on it.
>
> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
> like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
> an internal backup, as storage only.
>
> So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
> importantly, in what order should I do it? I'm worried about
> formatting the wrong drive first, and then being 'stuck' without
> control of the machine to finish the format/reinstall.
>
> As you can see I really don't know a lot about this kind of thing, and
> although I've tried to research the different aspects of this problem
> separately, the fact that what I'm trying to do is a little convoluted
> isn't helping.
>
> OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if this
> has been answered before.
>
> I'll check this group as often as I can (twice a week at least) and
> give extra details/clarification as they're needed.
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> Wawrzyniec.

Not too tricky.

FIRST save all your data to an external repositry and make sure you can read
it, formatting the drives will destroy ALL the material on the drives.

Swap the jumpers on the two drives so that the faster disk is the master and
the slower slave.

Boot your machine with a Win 98 boot disk (http://www.bootdisk.com).

Type FDISK then delete and recreate the required partion/s on each drive,
reboot the machine from the floppy.

Type Format c: /u, once C: is formatted do the same for D:.

Reboot the machine from the floppy, place the win98 CD in the CD drive, type
X: (where X: is the letter of your CD drive (probably E: in your case)) then
Enter, next type CD win98 and hie enter, next type SETUP and hit Enter and
you are on your way.

Once installed you will probaly need to instal motherboard, sound, video
etc. drives. Then you software and printer drives etc.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format

If retaining whatever's already on the hard disks is not an issue then it's
pretty straightforward. Before starting ...

Insure you have the product registration key required to do the reinstall.

Create an Emergency Boot Floppy, far right tab under Add/Remove Programs in
control panel under 98SE. Insure it works, e.g. use it to boot the pc (may
require changing boot order in BIOS) and also insure you can see files on a
cd after booting with the floppy, e.g. choose CD Rom support when starting
pc. Note - boot floppy creates a ram drive which pushes drive letter for CD
drive down one spot, e.g. if CD was E under Windows it's F when using boot
floppy at DOS prompt.

Insure you have device specific drivers you might need for your hardware and
that they've been copied onto floppy or burned to a cd for later use, e.g.
modem, network, video etc. drivers.

Shut down and change master/slave jumpers on hard disk.

Boot using floppy. Check (change) in FDISK that the "new" master hard disk
is marked Active (else it won't work to boot pc). Format both drives, e.g.
FORMAT C and FORMAT D. There's no real need to erase and recreate
partitions.

Run "SYS C:" to make primary hard disk bootable, e.g. has system files
required to boot. Note - not neccessary but I like to insure disk will boot
and removes need for floppy little earlier in sequence..

To save time later make a new folder on the newly formatted C drive and then
copy the Win98 folder off the install cd. e.g. example commands follow while
at the DOS prompt (probably A:\>), ignore comments after each line

C: (change to the C drive)
MD WIN98 (create a WIN98 folder)
CD WIN98 (change into that folder)
COPY F:\WIN98\*.* (C & D are hard disks, E is ram drive boot floppy
creates so F is cd drive)

You now have the install files all sitting on your hard disk in a WIN98
folder. Reboot pc without floppy in (why did SYS C: in earlier step). Once
pc is back to C:\> prompt change into the WIN98 folder (cd win98) and run
SETUP. Nice thing about copying folder from cd to hard disk is never have
annoyance of requiring Windows CD when installing drivers etc. sometime in
the future.

Think that's it.

<Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:96db6602-fff1-4664-a480-fb0daee6c3ef@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Hello everyone,
>
> It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
> forgive any netiquette faux pas...
>
> I have what might be a bit of a tricky format of a Win98 machine...
>
> It's P200MMX with two HDs. The master drive is the older and slower of
> the two, and contains the system files; the slave is the newer and
> faster, and has windows installed on it.
>
> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
> like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
> an internal backup, as storage only.
>
> So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
> importantly, in what order should I do it? I'm worried about
> formatting the wrong drive first, and then being 'stuck' without
> control of the machine to finish the format/reinstall.
>
> As you can see I really don't know a lot about this kind of thing, and
> although I've tried to research the different aspects of this problem
> separately, the fact that what I'm trying to do is a little convoluted
> isn't helping.
>
> OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if this
> has been answered before.
>
> I'll check this group as often as I can (twice a week at least) and
> give extra details/clarification as they're needed.
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> Wawrzyniec.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format


<Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:96db6602-fff1-4664-a480-fb0daee6c3ef@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Hello everyone,
>
> It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
> forgive any netiquette faux pas...
>
> I have what might be a bit of a tricky format of a Win98 machine...
>
> It's P200MMX with two HDs. The master drive is the older and slower of
> the two, and contains the system files; the slave is the newer and
> faster, and has windows installed on it.
>
> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
> like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
> an internal backup, as storage only.
>
> So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
> importantly, in what order should I do it? I'm worried about
> formatting the wrong drive first, and then being 'stuck' without
> control of the machine to finish the format/reinstall.
>
> As you can see I really don't know a lot about this kind of thing, and
> although I've tried to research the different aspects of this problem
> separately, the fact that what I'm trying to do is a little convoluted
> isn't helping.
>
> OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if this
> has been answered before.
>
> I'll check this group as often as I can (twice a week at least) and
> give extra details/clarification as they're needed.
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> Wawrzyniec.


Heck, I'd just format the faster drive
then clone the system drive to it.

xxcopy /clone should do the trick

http://www.xxcopy.com/index.htm


It should save a ton of time
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format

Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com wrote:

> It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
> forgive any netiquette faux pas...

Your netiquette will show once you start replying. Poor netiquette is
when you top-post, or when you include the entire post that you're
replying to instead of editing it to include only the specific content
you're replying to.

All of the 3 replies so far have shown poor netiquette.

Observe how I am constructing this reply as an example of good
netiquette.

> It's P200MMX with two HDs.
> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive).

If both drives are as old as your motherboard and CPU (ie circa 2000
or older) then you are advised to NOT keep using them. Your drives
have reached the end of their useful life and will most likely fail
within the next year. They probably have developed many bad sectors,
and are probably very noisy (ie they probably emit a very noticable
high-pitched tone that can affect your hearing over time - but that's
probably already happened by now).

Go out and purchase a new hard drive. Even if it's a 40 gb drive, you
can partition and format it as a 32 gb drive (your motherboard
probably isin't compatible with a drive larger than 32 gb).

> OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if
> this has been answered before.

Everybody that wants to alter the configuration of their old systems
is in a slightly different situation, but it always boils down to a
desire to re-use old hard drives, without considering that the hard
drive is the one system component that can be replaced, and that it
makes sense to replace it because they will fail, and replacing them
can be very inexpensive.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format


<Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:96db6602-fff1-4664-a480-fb0daee6c3ef@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
> like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
> an internal backup, as storage only.
>
> So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
> importantly, in what order should I do it?

1: Data: we assume you need save nothing, i.e. no
data from the old drives including ProductKey or
ProductID (numbers you must input during installation,
described in #3.)

1b. Test your boot floppy beforehand, i.e. boot from
the floppy and verify that it enables the CD drive(s)
under MS-DOS (required to instal Win98.) If in doubt,
download the correct boot floppy from www.bootdisk.com.
This sends you a single EXE file which you execute to
write the bootup files to a new blank formatted floppy.
This may lack one or two convenient utilities e.g.
CHKDSK or EDIT which you can add to the floppy.

2: Hardware. It does not matter how the two hard
drives are connected (master/slave settings) so long as
the OS finds only one Primary DOS partition (which will
be your C: drive.) This is done via FDISK on your booting
floppy i.e.
-- Load FDISK and identify which of your two HDDs is the
fast one. (Rename unambiguously if needed.)
-- Load the fast HDD and remove all partitions (drives).
-- Create one Primary DOS partition which will be your
C: drive, of appropriate size (2 Gb to 10 Gb depending
on drive space available and how you plan to instal.)
-- Make one Extended DOS partition using up the
rest of the drive space. You can make two or more
logical drives in this Ext DOS partition if you prefer.
(E.g. your Windows swap file (extended memory)
should be on the faster HDD, but not in drive C: if
there is any risk of C: filling up with data.)
-- Load the slow HDD, remove all partitions, make
all the drive space a single Ext DOS partition, and
make 2 or more logical drives within it if you prefer.
-- Reboot to execute all these changes to the
hard drives.
-- Each logical drive must be FORMATted before
you can write data to it or instal the OS.

3: Operating System installation: read first reliable
instructions at
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:475952DB.5AFA7FB4@Guy.com...

> > It's P200MMX with two HDs.
> > I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> > 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> > install, with system files and the program on the this one drive).
>
> If both drives are as old as your motherboard and CPU (ie circa 2000
> or older) then you are advised to NOT keep using them. Your drives
> have reached the end of their useful life and will most likely fail
> within the next year. They probably have developed many bad sectors,

The OP need not take this at face value. We have no reason to
suppose drives that have not yet generated a single bad sector
" probably have developed many bad sectors" and we need
not guess. Reputable HDD manufacturers distribute free on
their web sites diagnostic apps that will reliably indicate whether
a drive is suitable for further use.

> Go out and purchase a new hard drive. Even if it's a 40 gb drive, you
> can partition and format it as a 32 gb drive (your motherboard
> probably isin't compatible with a drive larger than 32 gb).

Users with slower CPUs are better advised to divide drive
space into several logical drives (e.g. max 10 Gb each),
planning ahead where various types of data will be stored, e.g.
C: drive 2 Gb for Windows only
D: drive 10 Gb for /Program Files
E: drive 10 Gb for /My Documents and all other data written
by apps in D: (e.g. income tax, family photos etc.)
F: drive for the Windows swap file (Extended Memory) and
for periodical backup (e.g. XXCOPY clone of drive C:,
e.g. cumulative backup of new or changed data from E:)

Archives of this NG include occasional discussion
along these lines.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Supposed Netiquette is a term spouted by parties who are ignorant of how
the Internet works and how information is collected by the search engines.
The only place it still applies are chat groups, or discussions which
contain no technical materials which needs referenced.

You generally find these statements by parties who love to talk theory;
or attempt ot place themselves above others by pointing to supposed
netiquette breach;
or spend large amounts of time posting in dozens of News Groups and forums
and wish to decrease their download times and increase rapid reading of
posts;
or of course the most obvious, those who do frequently chat [basically
worthless material] and that's what they carry with them as the belief of
how other discussions should be handled... when in reality, search engines
don't care about this figment of old forum ideals, they find and place
information based upon the actual materials contained within the individual
pages [that's each posting for groups such as this] found.
Remove that needed data, and what might have been a viable search results,
turns into a "gotta read the entire thread to understand" worthless rambling
in some thread which receives no attention, and fails to achieve the results
because the title provides the same basic information that hundreds of
thousands of other like discussions also contain. It might provide help for
one individual or a single discussion, whereas, had the data been retained,
it might have help thousands of others.

There are also those who foster this fallacy so they can post numerous
references to their own prior postings as if they are the premier authority
[you are locallized to their presentations rather than where that material
came from].

That is not stating one should not clip data in technical or informational
discussions which is not being addressed or has already been answered if
that is no longer being discussed, unless it is relevant to the continued
discussion.

As for where one posts, that depends upon what is presented. Such as this
is a deliberate top post but keeps the thread below it for posterity and
reference of why it was posted.

Note the below reference to netiquette and some other inadequately prepared
advise contained below which is a standard "consumerism" response. Re-use
your hard drives if possible, but backup, and prepare for future failures.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:475952DB.5AFA7FB4@Guy.com...
| Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com wrote:
|
| > It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
| > forgive any netiquette faux pas...
|
| Your netiquette will show once you start replying. Poor netiquette is
| when you top-post, or when you include the entire post that you're
| replying to instead of editing it to include only the specific content
| you're replying to.
|
| All of the 3 replies so far have shown poor netiquette.
|
| Observe how I am constructing this reply as an example of good
| netiquette.
|
| > It's P200MMX with two HDs.
| > I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
| > 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
| > install, with system files and the program on the this one drive).
|
| If both drives are as old as your motherboard and CPU (ie circa 2000
| or older) then you are advised to NOT keep using them. Your drives
| have reached the end of their useful life and will most likely fail
| within the next year. They probably have developed many bad sectors,
| and are probably very noisy (ie they probably emit a very noticable
| high-pitched tone that can affect your hearing over time - but that's
| probably already happened by now).
|
| Go out and purchase a new hard drive. Even if it's a 40 gb drive, you
| can partition and format it as a 32 gb drive (your motherboard
| probably isin't compatible with a drive larger than 32 gb).
|
| > OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if
| > this has been answered before.
|
| Everybody that wants to alter the configuration of their old systems
| is in a slightly different situation, but it always boils down to a
| desire to re-use old hard drives, without considering that the hard
| drive is the one system component that can be replaced, and that it
| makes sense to replace it because they will fail, and replacing them
| can be very inexpensive.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format

You don't want to do anything to the "old" drive except move it to the Slave
position on the IDE cable, change the jumper(s), etc. WHEN you need to start
up the old system, you'll have to switch it back to being the Master. Or,
you can use a third-party boot manager. Also, I'd leave this drive
disconnected until you've finished reinstalling Windows to the new drive.
Prevents possibly confusing issues.

You said the newer drive already has Windows installed. Is that correct? If
so, then I'm confused. If not, then once you've moved that drive to being
the Master, you treat it like any other drive and clean install Windows.
Lots of ways to do that, including the way I described to another person a
couple of days ago (subject: "Install Win98 SE".)

But MAINLY, before you do ANYTHING, you want to make sure that any files you
want to save are on the old drive, since it's the one you aren't going to
wipe.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

<Deus0Factus0Sum@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:96db6602-fff1-4664-a480-fb0daee6c3ef@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Hello everyone,
>
> It's been a very long time since I've been on Usenet, so please
> forgive any netiquette faux pas...
>
> I have what might be a bit of a tricky format of a Win98 machine...
>
> It's P200MMX with two HDs. The master drive is the older and slower of
> the two, and contains the system files; the slave is the newer and
> faster, and has windows installed on it.
>
> I'd like to format both drives, click the newer faster one onto
> 'master' and install windows (98) onto it in full (i.e. a normal
> install, with system files and the program on the this one drive). I'd
> like to switch the older and slower HD to slave and leave it as just
> an internal backup, as storage only.
>
> So my question is, what should I do, and I guess at least as
> importantly, in what order should I do it? I'm worried about
> formatting the wrong drive first, and then being 'stuck' without
> control of the machine to finish the format/reinstall.
>
> As you can see I really don't know a lot about this kind of thing, and
> although I've tried to research the different aspects of this problem
> separately, the fact that what I'm trying to do is a little convoluted
> isn't helping.
>
> OK, I've searched this group as well as I can, but apologies if this
> has been answered before.
>
> I'll check this group as often as I can (twice a week at least) and
> give extra details/clarification as they're needed.
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> Wawrzyniec.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format

Don Phillipson wrote:

> > > It's P200MMX with two HDs.
> >
> > If both drives are as old as your motherboard and CPU (ie circa
> > 2000 or older) then you are advised to NOT keep using them.
> > Your drives have reached the end of their useful life and will
> > most likely fail within the next year.
> > They probably have developed many bad sectors,
>
> The OP need not take this at face value.

Don and the OP are advised to do a little research of their own and
discover the average and typical lifespans of hard drives of various
vintages.

> We have no reason to suppose drives that have not yet generated
> a single bad sector

The odds of such a supposition are against you.

> Reputable HDD manufacturers distribute free on their web sites
> diagnostic apps that will reliably indicate whether
> a drive is suitable for further use.

I don't dispute that, and I look forward to the OP performing such a
test and posting the results back here. It not even necessary to use
manufacturer-specific software for that purpose.

I stand by my generic advice, which is that the OP obtain a new (or
reasonably new) 20 or 40 gb drive, install 98 on it, and copy personal
files from his ancient drives onto the new drive, and put the old
drives in a shoe box in the closet.

> Users with slower CPUs are better advised to divide drive
> space into several logical drives (e.g. max 10 Gb each),

I find such a strategy to be quaint - reminiscent of the pre-windows
era where the creation of many logical drives had some utility.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Full-quoter MEB wrote:

> Supposed Netiquette is a term spouted by parties who are ignorant
> of how the Internet works

Tell us how the Internet works Meb.

> and how information is collected by the search engines.

Ah, we're back to the old argument are we? That we musn't edit posts
to make them more readable for the purpose and audience at hand - that
instead we must preserve and full-quote entire threads for the sake of
posterity.

No matter that search engines (google groups being perhaps the only
one) doesn't show quoted material by default.

> The only place it still applies are chat groups, or discussions
> which contain no technical materials which needs referenced.

Usenet threads can be read in full on google. So why must every post
contain an entire capsule of the thread up to that point?

(rest of mindless and pointless drivel deleted)
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Yeah, so you're back to the same dimwitted display of your intellect as
always... want to post in USENET, good go there and post... don't let the
door hit you in the butt on the way out..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4759ED09.48867927@Guy.com...
| Full-quoter MEB wrote:
|
| > Supposed Netiquette is a term spouted by parties who are ignorant
| > of how the Internet works
|
| Tell us how the Internet works Meb.
|
| > and how information is collected by the search engines.
|
| Ah, we're back to the old argument are we? That we musn't edit posts
| to make them more readable for the purpose and audience at hand - that
| instead we must preserve and full-quote entire threads for the sake of
| posterity.
|
| No matter that search engines (google groups being perhaps the only
| one) doesn't show quoted material by default.
|
| > The only place it still applies are chat groups, or discussions
| > which contain no technical materials which needs referenced.
|
| Usenet threads can be read in full on google. So why must every post
| contain an entire capsule of the thread up to that point?
|
| (rest of mindless and pointless drivel deleted)
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

More absolute brilliance by 98 Guy, once again show the sheer depth of, ah,
how vacant a mind can be...

Let's see Google shares run around $714.00 [12-07-07] per, because Google
knows how much that in formation and data means...

Google FULLY shows ALL the message because that's one of the things that
cause people to use the service... please point out and post the link to ANY
USENET group or service which has garnered the same market share that Google
has related to USENET viewing and USENET search results THAT DID NOT COME
THROUGH GOOGLE ...

While you're at it post any USENET service which has the same or more users
compared to Google Groups, which is NOT available ON or through Google
Groups which posts those full messages. Then explain why YOU think people
searching through this group should be REQUIRED to read ENTIRE THREADS to
find the information they seek.

Now fully explain to the world why the heck you think why what you or any
other USENET user spouting about Netiquette, means squat on this "help
forum" or on Google, and why YOUR advise pursuant thereto should be followed
in THIS forum or on Google.. do tell... I'm rather sure NO ONE on this
planet is interested ...

BTW: I quoted NONE of your garbage [this, once again, displays how willing
you are to falsely state material fact in a vain attempt at some
recognition] in either of these posts, so all those wonderful USENET groups
who echo this, won't show ANYTHING you posted [per your statement] [note the
lines above the sig, guess what that does out in USENET land and some News
Readers, duh] BUT Google will hold the material for posterity. So contrary
to your previous ignorant posting, top posting IS good netiqutte,
particularly if the previous post held nothing of value.

SO again, 98 Guy, do try to spend some time finding out what the real world
is all about... that dream world of yours seems to be transparent in the
light...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4759ED09.48867927@Guy.com...
| Full-quoter MEB wrote:
|
| > Supposed Netiquette is a term spouted by parties who are ignorant
| > of how the Internet works
|
| Tell us how the Internet works Meb.
|
| > and how information is collected by the search engines.
|
| Ah, we're back to the old argument are we? That we musn't edit posts
| to make them more readable for the purpose and audience at hand - that
| instead we must preserve and full-quote entire threads for the sake of
| posterity.
|
| No matter that search engines (google groups being perhaps the only
| one) doesn't show quoted material by default.
|
| > The only place it still applies are chat groups, or discussions
| > which contain no technical materials which needs referenced.
|
| Usenet threads can be read in full on google. So why must every post
| contain an entire capsule of the thread up to that point?
|
| (rest of mindless and pointless drivel deleted)
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Full-quoter MEB wrote:

> ... want to post in USENET, good go there and post...

You realize that you too are posting to USENET - or don't you?

> don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out..

The door broke when it hit your ass, but I guess you didn't feel it.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies


TSK,TSK,, shame on you.
Apparently you REALLY don't know how this forum and the USENET works... {I
apologize to Microsoft for using their server this one time for this
purpose.}
I created two posts... one specifically for USENET, and one for THIS server
and forum [echoed on USENET]... what you posted DID NOT appear IN THIS FORUM
[this server] due to its filter policy... you really need to clean up your
language and remember THIS is a forum that might be used by children.
Though judging by your mental capabilities: do your parents know what you
are posting out here, and are they aware of your mental instability; and/or,
do the people in that mental institution know; or is it parens patriae or
guardian ad litem or some other custodial responsibilities in play,
regardless, perhaps your medications need modified ...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

MEB wrote:

> Apparently you REALLY don't know how this forum and the USENET
> works...

And as usual, you won't stick your neck out and explain it, for fear
of being wrong (which you are in this case).

> {I apologize to Microsoft for using their server this one time
> for this purpose.}

Owe Gaud. A nice, fake attempt at self deprecation.

> I created two posts... one specifically for USENET, and one for
> THIS server and forum [echoed on USENET]...

Why do you insist on some sort of artificial distinction?

MS carries the group, allows posting to it, and accepts posts
propagated to it.

Then it censors the **** out of it for local consumption.

> Sorry, what you posted DID NOT appear IN THIS FORUM
> [this server] due to its filter policy...

Would you mind being more specific? Which post of mine?

And if it was removed, how do you know? Do you read news using 2
different servers? If so - why?

> you really need to clean up your language and remember THIS
> is a forum that might be used by children.

And you're setting a good example with your constant insults and
put-downs?

If my posts frustrate you, you could explain why. Instead you resort
to juvenile mouthy insults.

> Though judging by your mental capabilities:

Like that.

> are they aware of your mental instability;

and that.

> do the people in that mental institution know;

You just don't stop.

> perhaps your medications need modified ...

I think many people here know you are a usenet troll MEB.

You never cease at providing examples. Your next post will no doubt
contain more.

Should I tell Microsoft that you are using their server to post
harassing messages to or about other users?

Message-ID: <O35cb4cOIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
NNTP-Posting-Host: AC88B121.ipt.aol.com 172.136.177.33
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:10:35 -0500

Do you think AOL will shield you from identification should Microsoft
want to prosecute you for such use of their server?

> {I apologize to Microsoft for using their server this one
> time for this purpose.}

I don't think such an admission would work Maurice Brahier. I'm going
to bring this and other such posts to Microsoft's notice as an example
of how you are violating the terms of service of their server, and the
potential civil or criminal illegality of the content of your posts
and how it makes Microsoft a party to them.

Why don't you tell us what the laws are in Ohio when it comes to
defamation, harassment, torment, slander and libel?
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

If you feel that is necessary, make your case, that will bring attention to
your posts in which you admit to criminal activities. I will, however,
apprise you that is not in your best interest.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies


"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OaTj77UOIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Yeah, so you're back to the same dimwitted display of your intellect as
> always... want to post in USENET, good go there and post... don't let
> the
> door hit you in the butt on the way out..
<snip>

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:O35cb4cOIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
<snip>
> I created two posts... one specifically for USENET, and one for THIS
> server
> and forum [echoed on USENET]... what you posted DID NOT appear IN THIS
> FORUM
> [this server] due to its filter policy... you really need to clean up
> your
> language and remember THIS is a forum that might be used by children.
> Though judging by your mental capabilities: do your parents know what
> you
> are posting out here, and are they aware of your mental instability;
> and/or,
> do the people in that mental institution know; or is it parens patriae
> or
> guardian ad litem or some other custodial responsibilities in play,
> regardless, perhaps your medications need modified ...

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e$2bnqVOIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
<snip>
> SO again, 98 Guy, do try to spend some time finding out what the real
> world
> is all about... that dream world of yours seems to be transparent in the
> light...

It would appear, that you have posted on Usenet, despite your assertion
that Microsoft Public news groups are not part of it. Any ISP News Server
can carry Microsoft *public* groups, but they usually only add them, when
customers request them. If you don't want to post to Usenet, then stop
posting, as per your petty response to 98 Guy.
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Maurice Brahier wrote:

> If you feel that is necessary, make your case, that will bring
> attention to your posts in which you admit to criminal activities.
> I will, however, apprise you that is not in your best interest.

Is there any particular reason you broke with your usual habbit and
did not fully quote my post in your reply?
 
Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

Re: Tricky Win98 Format - Netiquette falicies

WHHHOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHH, right over your head, I see that demonstration was
lost upon you as well.. to bad...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________


"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:eQ3KBtgOIHA.5264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OaTj77UOIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > Yeah, so you're back to the same dimwitted display of your intellect as
| > always... want to post in USENET, good go there and post... don't let
| > the
| > door hit you in the butt on the way out..
| <snip>
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:O35cb4cOIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| <snip>
| > I created two posts... one specifically for USENET, and one for THIS
| > server
| > and forum [echoed on USENET]... what you posted DID NOT appear IN THIS
| > FORUM
| > [this server] due to its filter policy... you really need to clean up
| > your
| > language and remember THIS is a forum that might be used by children.
| > Though judging by your mental capabilities: do your parents know what
| > you
| > are posting out here, and are they aware of your mental instability;
| > and/or,
| > do the people in that mental institution know; or is it parens patriae
| > or
| > guardian ad litem or some other custodial responsibilities in play,
| > regardless, perhaps your medications need modified ...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:e$2bnqVOIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| <snip>
| > SO again, 98 Guy, do try to spend some time finding out what the real
| > world
| > is all about... that dream world of yours seems to be transparent in the
| > light...
|
| It would appear, that you have posted on Usenet, despite your assertion
| that Microsoft Public news groups are not part of it. Any ISP News Server
| can carry Microsoft *public* groups, but they usually only add them, when
| customers request them. If you don't want to post to Usenet, then stop
| posting, as per your petty response to 98 Guy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 

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