Windows Vista How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

[Stephan Rose]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:54:33 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Stephan
>
> Those who blame non-Windows OS for hardware incompatibility have gotten it
> wrong then.. with any OS, it is generally the job of the hardware
> manufacturer to produce drivers..

Now here is something I can agree with you on. =)

Or at the very least, hardware manufacturers could provide documentation
for their hardware so someone else can write the drivers if they don't
want to.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

 

[Mr. Happy]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Spirit wrote:

> This is where you are DEAD WRONG? Windows, because of its
> popularity, is attacked more often. It is NOT because it in inherently
> more susceptible. Seems folks that write the malware really like to
> see it do as much damage as possible.
>
> Saying that Linux has less to worry about presently is true. Saying its
> because its a fundamentally more sound OS is not even close.
>
Spirit, really there's no argument. Linux is indeed more secure than
Windows. Why do you think that Microsoft developed UAC, if it isn't an
effort to try and lock down the kernel space from the user space which is
what Linux has had all along? Hopefully, Microsoft will succeed with making
Windows more secure than its been by implementing UAC. It's unfortunate
that it annoys end-users so they can simply turn it off, essentially
defeating Microsoft's intentions.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got proof? Didn't think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>> Got proof it is? Didn't think so?
>>>>> You're pathetic!
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, insults and a lack of reading comprehension on your part do not
>>>> qualify as proof.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> How stupid can one person be? hahaha...no need to ask. Hey butt
>>> munch, prove your statement or STFU!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> Um, insults and a lack of reading comprehension on your part do not
>> qualify as proof.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Stop back pedaling bozo and just provide the proof...or else craw back
> under that rock you keep coming out from under and stay there!
> Frank

You need to provide the proof, not me.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

MICHAEL wrote:
>
> * Alias:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u9nl1pvvHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root
>>>>>> kit or any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you think the term "root kit" came from? Is there a root
>>>>> user in Windows?
>>>>>
>>>> Hence the need for a firewall which Ubuntu provides. Oops.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> Oops...Oops...Oops...could you possibly shove your feet any further down
>>> your throat?
>> Um, I never said a firewall wasn't necessary and thinking about it isn't
>> either being as it comes bundled with Ubuntu.
>
> Vista also comes with a firewall.
>
>>> Try harder!
>>> Oops!
>>> You're a real side show freak.
>>> Frank
>
> I removed the your other remark about Frank,
> you should remove the post.
>
> I would have thought such was not even possible from you.
>
>
> -Michael

Let's see. Frank lies about me and says I am a side show freak and a
fugitive and you say nothing. I strike back and you have a hissy fit.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> He'll get no more responses from me.. I don't associate with anybody who
> makes remarks like that..

Promises, promises.

Alias
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:%23YRiWuxvHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> * Alias:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u9nl1pvvHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root
>>>>>>> kit or any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you think the term "root kit" came from? Is there a root
>>>>>> user in Windows?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hence the need for a firewall which Ubuntu provides. Oops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> Oops...Oops...Oops...could you possibly shove your feet any further
>>>> down
>>>> your throat?
>>>
>>> Um, I never said a firewall wasn't necessary and thinking about it isn't
>>> either being as it comes bundled with Ubuntu.
>>
>> Vista also comes with a firewall.
>>
>>>> Try harder!
>>>> Oops!
>>>> You're a real side show freak.
>>>> Frank
>>
>> I removed the your other remark about Frank,
>> you should remove the post.
>>
>> I would have thought such was not even possible from you.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Word has it that you're a pedophile.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Sorry pal not my bag but it appears the guilt of your sins can't keep
> your mouth shut, huh?
> You are a admitted pedophile.
> That's why you won't use your real name.
> You've got wants & warrants out for you for molesting children in the USA!
> They tolerate that crap in spain?
> I hope the parents or relatives of the kids you're molesting catch you
> and beat your slim ball a*s to near death.
> You are a real side show freak!
> Pathetic...you're absolutely a pathetic human being!
> Frank

Projecting will get you nowhere.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Are you actually Alias?
> With your disrespectful hijacking comments yesterday and now this.
> You have stooped to a new low.
> It is becoming more apparent (if you are actually Alias) your intention
> is more of disruption that inform or educate and this post of yours is
> proof.
>
> You are bordering on slander but I suppose that is also acceptable in
> the country you fearfully live.
>
> Or perhaps the facts are so disturbing to your love for Linux that you
> feel the need to do anything at all as long as your Linux agenda is
> carried out?
>
> What happened when you said "Word has it that you're a pedophile." in a
> Linux newsgroup?
>

Why aren't you showing moral outrage for the lies Frank has posted about
me? Double standard?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Kerry Brown wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:OL0nsXxvHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:u9nl1pvvHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root
>>>> kit or any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do you think the term "root kit" came from? Is there a root
>>> user in Windows?
>>>
>>
>> Hence the need for a firewall which Ubuntu provides. Oops.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> I used to have a little bit of respect for you. Back in the day in the
> XP newsgroup you occasionally helped people and often had constructive
> criticism of Microsoft. Even when we disagreed I felt a dialogue was
> still possible and sometimes enjoyed debating you. Since Vista has been
> released you have settled into a troll like stance where debate with you
> is not possible. I don't know what changed in your life but please take
> a bit of friendly advice. Lighten up, enjoy life a little, and don't
> worry so much about who is using what OS. Ubuntu is a decent enough
> distro of Linux for a beginner. Personally I prefer other distros but I
> am starting to appreciate Ubuntu Feisty. That said it's just an OS. It
> has problems and flaws just like any other complex computer program. It
> is not an alternative for most home users of Windows. When they have a
> problem there are fewer experts around to help them. Very few
> professional computer techs know anything about it. Those that do
> probably don't work on home computers. This is changing but that's
> currently the way it is. You would be better off trying to get Windows
> users to switch to a Mac. A least then they would have a chance at
> decent local support.
>

Support from Windows MVPs:

"Google is your friend".

Alias

 

[Larry Maturo]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Hi Alias,

I don't suppose you know where the name "rootkit" came from? Well,
if you know Unix, you probably can guess that the root in root kit comes
from the Unix world, since that is where the first root kit was discovered.
So, no, switching will not prevent you from getting rootkits.

-- Larry Maturo


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:u9nl1pvvHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>>
>> "DanielN" <DanielN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-3C2AF1A575A2@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi People,
>>>
>>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>>> Windows.
>>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>>> qualified as well.
>>>
>>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>>> feeling
>>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>>> things
>>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>>> already.
>>> this is only minor though.
>>>
>>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>>
>>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>>> restarting.'
>>>
>>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an
>>> icon
>>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>>
>>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program
>>> and
>>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>>> the
>>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did
>>> with
>>> Windows ME.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WOW!
>>
>> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
>> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode? Ever
>> hear of rootkits?
>>
>> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because people
>> didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after building
>> their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe. <grin>
>
> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit or
> any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Larry Maturo wrote:
> Hi Alias,
>
> I don't suppose you know where the name "rootkit" came from? Well,
> if you know Unix, you probably can guess that the root in root kit comes
> from the Unix world, since that is where the first root kit was discovered.
> So, no, switching will not prevent you from getting rootkits.
>
> -- Larry Maturo

Wow, there's a remote possibility that a root kit that was written in
1998 might take over a Linux machine. It's also possible that someone
could take your machine by sticking a gun in your face.

Fact: No one has shown one case where a Linux box has been compromised.

Fact: Windows boxes not only get compromised, they are turned into
herd-bots and get compromised every single second of the day.

Your choice.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:u9nl1pvvHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> "DanielN" <DanielN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-3C2AF1A575A2@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi People,
>>>>Someone said he's a pedophile and he probably is.
>>>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>>>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>>>> Windows.
>>>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>>>> qualified as well.
>>>>
>>>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>>>> feeling
>>>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>>>> things
>>>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>>>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>>>> already.
>>>> this is only minor though.
>>>>
>>>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>>>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>>>
>>>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>>>> restarting.'
>>>>
>>>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an
>>>> icon
>>>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>>>
>>>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program
>>>> and
>>>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>>>> the
>>>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did
>>>> with
>>>> Windows ME.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WOW!
>>>
>>> You don't think - just maybe - that there are new infections that have
>>> been designed to prevent their being cleaned out, even in safe mode? Ever
>>> hear of rootkits?
>>>
>>> Using your thinking we should have stayed with Windows 3.1 because people
>>> didn't hardly ever get any viruses using that system. If after building
>>> their system and never inserted a floppy they were 100% safe. <grin>
>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit or
>> any other malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Alias
>
>

 

[Tim]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Uh...Kevin...you forgot "Just FYI." Please re-post.


"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ey$H93xvHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Try Out Windows Server 2008 Beta 3 Public Beta, And You Will Like
> Microsoft A Whole Lot Better.
>
> "DanielN" <DanielN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1C18C11F-015D-40FC-86B6-3C2AF1A575A2@microsoft.com...
>> Hi People,
>>
>> I have been a computer engineer for around 7 years professionally with
>> around 7 years prior to that self teaching myself all I could about
>> Windows.
>> I am now MCP qualified and hopefully will soon be MCSA/MCSE/MCDBA/CCNA
>> qualified as well.
>>
>> I have used Vista only a couple of times although getting a very bad
>> feeling
>> about it having read many bad things and experiencing some worrying
>> things
>> like it takes more time for vista to spawn and animate the copying file
>> dialog then it does for say windows xp to even have copied the file
>> already.
>> this is only minor though.
>>
>> Today one of my customers who has a vista machine (I dont) got in touch
>> saying windows was bringing up an error saying that:
>>
>> 'Windows explorer has stopped working' and then 'Windows explorer is
>> restarting.'
>>
>> Now I know there is a virus/spyware/adware on it. cause i can see an icon
>> for counterfit antispyware.
>>
>> the problem is even if I go into safemode to clean it (remove program and
>> run scans of various kinds) which would have worked pretty much most of
>> the
>> time in previous versions of windows doesnt work cause you have the same
>> problem.
>>
>> i am getting the feeling MS have screwed up with Vista like they did with
>> Windows ME.
>>
>>
>> I am shocked that years down the line after ME and I am sure MS knew what
>> the score was with ME. They have managed to do it again. They should have
>> stuck with XP - perhaps brought out some addons/updates if they really
>> thought people were desperate for new stuff, and put in some serious work
>> into Vienna. I have heard that there were so many problems with Vista
>> they
>> enlisted the help of the Vienna development team to help fix stuff.
>> Obviously
>> there was to much to fix.
>>
>> Now I have had my little rant. Maybe MS will sort this.
>>
>> My advice demand Win XP Pro on new machines. Do not be told that u must
>> have
>> Vista cause it is the best around.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Ps. I have also had a customer have a problem authenticating with a WPA
>> encrypted wireless network as well. Which turned out to be an
>> incompatibility
>> between the wireless card and Vista even though the wireless card was
>> built
>> into the laptop and it had a logo saying it was certified for Vista, and
>> this
>> was a big OEM's laptop. So what hope is there!
>

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Look over yonder.. is that hell I see freezing over?

I can just see whoever allowing us to open up a driver file for a two year
old product and remove the part where is says 'XP only'.. or removing the OS
specific identifier for a program that allows the burning of CDs.. far
better we look online or on the racks of our favorite retailer for 'new'
stuff..


"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
news:dtSdnYgvy_btgRDbnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:54:33 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Stephan
>>
>> Those who blame non-Windows OS for hardware incompatibility have gotten
>> it
>> wrong then.. with any OS, it is generally the job of the hardware
>> manufacturer to produce drivers..
>
> Now here is something I can agree with you on. =)
>
> Or at the very least, hardware manufacturers could provide documentation
> for their hardware so someone else can write the drivers if they don't
> want to.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Larry Maturo]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Hi Alias,

You wrote:
Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in the
unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all one need do
is nuke the user, create another one and restore the back up.

Fact is, you are telling the unwashed masses to use Ubuntu. If they do, you
can bet they won't have that backup. Also, if your campign succeeds, then
virus, rootkit, and malware authors will start hitting Linux, so watch what
you
wish for.

-- Larry Maturo

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eDCvIqwvHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Alias
>>
>> You are way too smug regarding how safe you believe Linux/Unix to be..
>>
>> One of the articles below explains how a Linux system can be a virus
>> carrier without the user ever knowing.. this situation is every bit as
>> bad as a Windows system that has been breached.. the others are from
>> different years, but all alerting to the fact that Linux/Unix and MAC are
>> not 100% virus immune..
>>
>> I have yet to come across a 'true' Linux professional who would put their
>> name to the misleading claims made by you.. your anti-MS stance is
>> blinding you to the realities of ANY OS.. that makes you dangerous..
>
> Care to give me proof that a Linux box has been compromised? Can't? Didn't
> think so. Shall we compare the number of Windows boxes that are a part of
> a bot-herd to Linux? Didn't think so.
>
> Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in the
> unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all one need do
> is nuke the user, create another one and restore the back up.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eS2gVRwvHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>> Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of choice
>>>> to know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are 100% effective in
>>>> Linux/Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet there are no reports of this possibility happening so go figure.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Alias;
It seems you have a problem with Frank and yet you use what he does as
a standard for your own behavior.
Neither of you have reason to be outraged at the other since you both
stoop so low.
Right now you both can look in a mirror and see each other as
yourselves.

Perhaps you should set a higher standard than those who do what you
detest.
No double standard, it seems you are the one going lower to meet that
standard.

Anyone that needs to insult others has already lost since at that
point it is obvious they are to insecure in their ideas to let them
stand on the facts.

He may have always been the way he is, you on the other hand are
getting worse and risk plunging below his level and your new standard.

Is that post of yours representative of the Linux community?
Why or why not?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23q1mIRyvHHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Why aren't you showing moral outrage for the lies Frank has posted
> about me? Double standard?
>
> Alias

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

If it is the same people in both groups, it may be a double standard.
However if the people are different, there is no double standard at
all.
However some may choose to omit that fact in their zeal to find a non
existent problem with Windows.

Exactly who and where are those "non-windows OS' people like to blame
the OS"?
Are they knowledgeable users or are like some of those that come here
with no understanding of the source for drivers?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
news:dtSdnYkvy_ZAeRHbnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Here is one thing Mike I find to be interesting.
>
> When it comes to non-windows OS' people like to blame the OS for
> hardware
> incompatibility. I've yet to hear anyone outside the Linux community
> blame
> hardware vendors for compatibility problems.
>
> When it comes to Windows though, it's never the OS! It's always the
> hardware vendors!
>
> Quite an interesting double standard I think.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Larry Maturo wrote:
> Hi Alias,
>
> You wrote:
> Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in the
> unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all one need do
> is nuke the user, create another one and restore the back up.
>
> Fact is, you are telling the unwashed masses to use Ubuntu. If they do, you
> can bet they won't have that backup. Also, if your campign succeeds, then
> virus, rootkit, and malware authors will start hitting Linux, so watch what
> you
> wish for.
>
> -- Larry Maturo

Interesting speculation. Too bad it's only that: speculation.

Alias
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eDCvIqwvHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You are way too smug regarding how safe you believe Linux/Unix to be..
>>>
>>> One of the articles below explains how a Linux system can be a virus
>>> carrier without the user ever knowing.. this situation is every bit as
>>> bad as a Windows system that has been breached.. the others are from
>>> different years, but all alerting to the fact that Linux/Unix and MAC are
>>> not 100% virus immune..
>>>
>>> I have yet to come across a 'true' Linux professional who would put their
>>> name to the misleading claims made by you.. your anti-MS stance is
>>> blinding you to the realities of ANY OS.. that makes you dangerous..
>> Care to give me proof that a Linux box has been compromised? Can't? Didn't
>> think so. Shall we compare the number of Windows boxes that are a part of
>> a bot-herd to Linux? Didn't think so.
>>
>> Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in the
>> unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all one need do
>> is nuke the user, create another one and restore the back up.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eS2gVRwvHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>> Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of choice
>>>>> to know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are 100% effective in
>>>>> Linux/Ubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>> Yet there are no reports of this possibility happening so go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>
>

 

[Alias]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Alias;
> It seems you have a problem with Frank and yet you use what he does as a
> standard for your own behavior.
> Neither of you have reason to be outraged at the other since you both
> stoop so low.
> Right now you both can look in a mirror and see each other as yourselves.
>
> Perhaps you should set a higher standard than those who do what you detest.
> No double standard, it seems you are the one going lower to meet that
> standard.
>
> Anyone that needs to insult others has already lost since at that point
> it is obvious they are to insecure in their ideas to let them stand on
> the facts.
>
> He may have always been the way he is, you on the other hand are getting
> worse and risk plunging below his level and your new standard.
>
> Is that post of yours representative of the Linux community?
> Why or why not?
>

Like I said, a double standard. If I defended Windows as much as Frank
does, you wouldn't have said squat.

Alias

 

[norm]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Alias
>
> You are way too smug regarding how safe you believe Linux/Unix to be..
>
> One of the articles below explains how a Linux system can be a virus
> carrier without the user ever knowing.. this situation is every bit as
> bad as a Windows system that has been breached.. the others are from
> different years, but all alerting to the fact that Linux/Unix and MAC
> are not 100% virus immune..
>
> I have yet to come across a 'true' Linux professional who would put
> their name to the misleading claims made by you.. your anti-MS stance is
> blinding you to the realities of ANY OS.. that makes you dangerous..

I agree that the blind advocacy is harmful and that nothing is a 100%
guaranteed, but in terms of having and using virus scanners and such on
linux, there seems to be little concern about viruses/worms and other
malware in terms of linux becoming infected, and doing any real damage
to the os itself and then actually passing itself along. It seems more
the issue of a linux user passing along unknowingly something that has
no affect on linux but would be a problem with windows. An example might
be any number of email transmitted viruses/worm malware that could be
clicked all day or run through a linux machine without issue, but could
be passed along on a forwarded email to do damage on a windows machine.
In such a case, an anti-virus/anti-malware programs would not be a waste
on linux. I know this is an oversimplification, but it seems to be a
larger concern at this point, anyway.
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eS2gVRwvHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of
>>> choice to know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are 100%
>>> effective in Linux/Ubuntu.
>>>
>>
>> Yet there are no reports of this possibility happening so go figure.
>>
>> Alias
>


--
norm

 

[Jeanette]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Because the user gives it permission, albeit unwittingly? How do you
> think systems get infected?
>
> Re proof, two of us have provided reading material from Linux sources..
> can you not read and comprehend them?
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:uxAiWXxvHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>
>>> * Alias:
>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>> * Alias:
>>>>>> Back to the present. Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus,
>>>>>> root kit or any other
>>>>>> malware. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>> http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/linux/901.php
>>>>> Linux RootKits For Beginners - From Prevention to Removal
>>>>>
>>>>> One day while reading a mail list for the Linux Users Group in my
>>>>> hometown I discovered a call
>>>>> for help. It was a posting from a novice Linux user with a
>>>>> disturbing issue. While doing some
>>>>> routine checks on a Linux system, he found a user that had been
>>>>> added to the system with the
>>>>> user id of 0 (root). His first thought was that it might be a
>>>>> rootkit. He wanted to know what
>>>>> he could do to verify it was a rootkit and how to remove it from
>>>>> the system. He further asked
>>>>> for suggestions on preventative measures to ensure this kind of
>>>>> attack does not reoccur. That
>>>>> situation prompted me to write this paper to an understanding of
>>>>> rootkits and its effects. This
>>>>> paper will also discuss how to monitor for a rootkit, and the steps
>>>>> that need to be taken to
>>>>> remove one.
>>>>>
>>>> I never said that a firewall wasn't necessary. Ubuntu comes with one
>>>> built-in. I would also recommend a router hard firewall.
>>>
>>> "Use Ubuntu and never worry about a virus, root kit
>>> or any other malware." -Alias
>>>
>>> You said "never", you were wrong.
>>>
>>> "Absolute truth" is for absolute fools.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>
>> Is there an echo in here? If one has Ubuntu that comes with a firewall
>> and a router with a firewall how, pray tell, will anyone install a
>> root kit?
>>
>> Alias
>
There are several ways I have seen Linux systems be compromised.

1. Through an application that has security issues, such as older
versions of Apache or BIND or even javascript.

2. Weak SSH passwords. This is an attack vector many new users fail to
protect.

3. Through installations of unknown software that might contain a root kit



3.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: How can Microsoft be proud to market this drivel !

Please clear the facts.
What % of new Linux users have never owned a computer?
What % of new Windows users have never owned a computer?

What is the average computer experience of a new Windows user?
What is the average computer experience of a new Linux user?

Give us these facts and end the speculation.
Many Linux advocates seem to base much of what they say on the above
being equal for both platforms.
I suspect these differences explain what I NEVER hear Linux advocates
say.

Waiting for your facts...

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:e4vbqoyvHHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Larry Maturo wrote:
>> Hi Alias,
>>
>> You wrote:
>> Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in
>> the
>> unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all one
>> need do
>> is nuke the user, create another one and restore the back up.
>>
>> Fact is, you are telling the unwashed masses to use Ubuntu. If
>> they do, you
>> can bet they won't have that backup. Also, if your campign
>> succeeds, then
>> virus, rootkit, and malware authors will start hitting Linux, so
>> watch what you
>> wish for.
>>
>> -- Larry Maturo
>
> Interesting speculation. Too bad it's only that: speculation.
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eDCvIqwvHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> You are way too smug regarding how safe you believe Linux/Unix to
>>>> be..
>>>>
>>>> One of the articles below explains how a Linux system can be a
>>>> virus carrier without the user ever knowing.. this situation is
>>>> every bit as bad as a Windows system that has been breached.. the
>>>> others are from different years, but all alerting to the fact
>>>> that Linux/Unix and MAC are not 100% virus immune..
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to come across a 'true' Linux professional who would
>>>> put their name to the misleading claims made by you.. your
>>>> anti-MS stance is blinding you to the realities of ANY OS.. that
>>>> makes you dangerous..
>>> Care to give me proof that a Linux box has been compromised?
>>> Can't? Didn't think so. Shall we compare the number of Windows
>>> boxes that are a part of a bot-herd to Linux? Didn't think so.
>>>
>>> Fact is that Windows is MUCH more susceptible than Ubuntu and, in
>>> the unlikely case that one's Ubuntu box has become infected, all
>>> one need do is nuke the user, create another one and restore the
>>> back up.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eS2gVRwvHHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> Alias doesn't know about the history of his operating system of
>>>>>> choice to know that rootkits were developed for Unix and are
>>>>>> 100% effective in Linux/Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yet there are no reports of this possibility happening so go
>>>>> figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>