Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

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Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

John Barnes wrote:
> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit
> product probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer
> products for greater that 32-bit support.


You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
hardware or software side. :-) Microsoft has provided the system which will
become adopted as the need arises, as it is doing in the server area which
due to the larger memory requirements has substantially adopted 64-bit and
if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one available in a 32-bit version.
I suspect that it will be many years before the consumer market has a need
for 64-bit.


"Nero" <noroac5490@ael.com> wrote in message
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> John Barnes wrote:
>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit product
>> probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer products for
>> greater that 32-bit support.

>
> You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
> consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

Yes, Server 2008 will be the last 32-bit server. Exchange Server is already
64-bit only. The enterprise market is only buying 64-bit hardware these
days regardless of the software they are running on it so for the enterprise
market the 64-bit era is already here.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
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> It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
> bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
> hardware or software side. :-) Microsoft has provided the system which
> will become adopted as the need arises, as it is doing in the server area
> which due to the larger memory requirements has substantially adopted
> 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one available in a
> 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many years before the consumer
> market has a need for 64-bit.
>
>
> "Nero" <noroac5490@ael.com> wrote in message
> news:4774392c$0$15332$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>>> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit
>>> product probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer
>>> products for greater that 32-bit support.

>>
>> You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
>> consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)

>
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

John Barnes wrote:

> ...the server
> area which due to the larger memory requirements has substantially
> adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one
> available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many years
> before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.


Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also
many home users do video editing or run other memory demanding
applications (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that
the 4GB barrier will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new
32-bit machines ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to
4GB on 32-bit is pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory
address space requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming faster
than we think.

John
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> John Barnes wrote:
>
>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many
>> years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.

>
> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also many
> home users do video editing or run other memory demanding applications
> (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that the 4GB barrier
> will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new 32-bit machines ship
> with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to 4GB on 32-bit is pretty
> well a waste because of the hardware memory address space requirements so
> 64-bit for home users may be coming faster than we think.
>
> John


I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64 bit
versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
supported after a certain date.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

Bogey Man wrote:
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be
>>> many years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.

>>
>>
>> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also
>> many home users do video editing or run other memory demanding
>> applications (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that
>> the 4GB barrier will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new
>> 32-bit machines ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to
>> 4GB on 32-bit is pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory
>> address space requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming
>> faster than we think.
>>
>> John

>
>
> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
> announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
> supported after a certain date.


Oh, I don't think that they did! Microsoft relies on a large
established base of third party software and hardware to sell its new
operating systems. By going exclusively 64-bit they would have
alienated many customers and they would have had a barrage of criticism
and complaints, it would have backfired on them. When Windows 95 was
launched, and when pure 32-bit NT was designed a conscious decision was
made to make all possible attempts to keep these operating systems
compatible with MS-DOS programs or, in the case of NT, to incorporate a
Virtual Engine to run the old 16-bit legacy applications. Microsoft
knew that a large base of installed 16-bit applications existed and that
launching an operating system that couldn't run these old applications
was a recipe for disaster, it was a marketing/design decision that
ultimately turned out to be key to the wide acceptance and success of
the Windows operating system.

If Microsoft had announced the end of 32-bit support with Vista it would
have been a marketing disaster. It may not be important to you or many
other users but I assure you that many will be on 32-bit for a while
yet, that applies especially to the small/medium size business market.
Contrary to what some might think most companies don't have unlimited
amounts of money available to spend and even more surprising to some
folks, computers and software are not the first place or most important
place for these small firms to put their money. The need for financing
of income producing assets usually comes before IT expenditures. In
some of these small firms a considerable amount of money may have
already been invested in software and hardware, spending even more to
replace that software or hardware for no good reason other than "things
run on 64-bit now" is simply not an option for most companies. The
switch to 64-bit is underway and it is unavoidable but I think that if
you had $50,000 of software or a $10,000 plotter that couldn't run on
64-bit you would not be so keen on making the switch!

I know of doctors who have perfectly good medical imaging equipment
worth more than $100,000 and that only run on DOS, these doctors have no
intentions of replacing their old operating systems with 64-bit Vista!
Less extreme than that are freelance professionals, or small
manufacturing or engineering firms who have expensive drafting software
and plotters, they too are in no hurry to spend $50,000 for new software
and hardware just to be in the 64-bit loop!

John
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any more?
The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their software, not
dictate to them what they should or should not do. The marketplace will
dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue with 32-bit software.

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
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> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many
>>> years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.

>>
>> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also many
>> home users do video editing or run other memory demanding applications
>> (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that the 4GB barrier
>> will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new 32-bit machines
>> ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to 4GB on 32-bit is
>> pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory address space
>> requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming faster than we think.
>>
>> John

>
> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
> announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
> supported after a certain date.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.


Geez, Barnes, M$ pays you for public relations?

The reason the "two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems" are "stable,"
is because they lack third party driver/software support. I am sure you
figured this out for yourself, didn't you?
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
> bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
> hardware or software side. :-)


I agree with you, sort of like buying a can of sardines in the grocery store
thinking it was a can of Caviar :-)
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?


"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message

> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista.


It doesn't really matter because, according to the press, neither one is
ready for prime time, just like Linux he he he. Besides, I read somewhere
that the 32 bit version of Vista runs slower than the 32 bit version of XP
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

Nero wrote:
:: John Barnes wrote:
::: Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating
::: systems. That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to
::: provide 64-bit product probably relates to the lack of need
::: within most consumer products for greater that 32-bit support.
::
:: You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it
:: comes to consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree
:: with you :)

The reason for Microsoft to release XP-64 was that they had promised
AMD to do so. What else should an Athlon 64 use for an OS?!


Bo Persson
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

MS released XP Pro x64 as the client for Windows Server 2003 x64 and for
workstation users. The memory limitations of x86 was probably the biggest
reason workstation users wanted it.

"Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> wrote in message
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> Nero wrote:
> :: John Barnes wrote:
> ::: Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating
> ::: systems. That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to
> ::: provide 64-bit product probably relates to the lack of need
> ::: within most consumer products for greater that 32-bit support.
> ::
> :: You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it
> :: comes to consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree
> :: with you :)
>
> The reason for Microsoft to release XP-64 was that they had promised AMD
> to do so. What else should an Athlon 64 use for an OS?!
>
>
> Bo Persson
>
>
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>
> Geez, Barnes, M$ pays you for public relations?
>
> The reason the "two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems" are
> "stable," is because they lack third party driver/software support. I am
> sure you figured this out for yourself, didn't you?


I'm not sure where you're going with this. If you're trying to say that
shoddy drivers are more prone to take down an OS (*any* OS), then yeah,
that's common knowledge and should be no surprise to anyone.


As for myself, I've been using XP x64 as my primary OS since mid-2005 or so,
and I can't think of any hardware I have that doesn't have good drivers.
The last time I saw a BSOD was due to a bad third-party RAID driver.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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> Bogey Man wrote:
>> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> John Barnes wrote:

Snip--------------------------
> I know of doctors who have perfectly good medical imaging equipment worth
> more than $100,000 and that only run on DOS, these doctors have no
> intentions of replacing their old operating systems with 64-bit Vista!
> Less extreme than that are freelance professionals, or small manufacturing
> or engineering firms who have expensive drafting software and plotters,
> they too are in no hurry to spend $50,000 for new software and hardware
> just to be in the 64-bit loop!
>
> John


If these people have no intention of changing software, why change operating
systems? Vista 32 offers nothing of value over XP except for annoyances and
would be a waste of resources to invest in an operating system that in
reality offers most people nothing worth the money.....if it ain't broke
don't fix it.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their software,
> not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The marketplace
> will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue with 32-bit
> software.


People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
Take that support away and they will eventually change.
--
Ron P

Member of the ignored generation
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

"Marc Desiderius" <lmarcode@lefeuvre.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
>
>> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
>> bit versions of Vista.

>
> It doesn't really matter because, according to the press, neither one is
> ready for prime time, just like Linux he he he. Besides, I read somewhere
> that the 32 bit version of Vista runs slower than the 32 bit version of XP


It must have been are real reliable and famous source if you can't remember
it.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

You do sound like someone who is scared to make up their mind and NEEDS
someone else to do it for you. You must feel really insecure having made
the move to 64-bit and looking around and seeing most people happy and
functionally rewarded staying with 32-bit. Many still have functional and
necessary programs that are 16-bit and won't run on 64-bit Windows.
May I suggest that you would probably be more comfortable in Cuba or North
Korea where you won't have to feel insecure about your decisions and you
won't even need to make them.
Microsoft is not autocratic over the market and will provide what the
customers (end users and builders) want, which will be influenced by their
comfort level and future needs.

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
>> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
>> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their
>> software, not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The
>> marketplace will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue
>> with 32-bit software.

>
> People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
> Take that support away and they will eventually change.
> --
> Ron P
>
> Member of the ignored generation
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

If their stuff works, why should they change?

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
>> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
>> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their
>> software, not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The
>> marketplace will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue
>> with 32-bit software.

>
> People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
> Take that support away and they will eventually change.
> --
> Ron P
>
> Member of the ignored generation
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
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> You do sound like someone who is scared to make up their mind and NEEDS
> someone else to do it for you. You must feel really insecure having made
> the move to 64-bit and looking around and seeing most people happy and
> functionally rewarded staying with 32-bit. Many still have functional and
> necessary programs that are 16-bit and won't run on 64-bit Windows.
> May I suggest that you would probably be more comfortable in Cuba or North
> Korea where you won't have to feel insecure about your decisions and you
> won't even need to make them.
> Microsoft is not autocratic over the market and will provide what the
> customers (end users and builders) want, which will be influenced by their
> comfort level and future needs.
>
> "Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
> news:uplV1liSIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
>>> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
>>> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their
>>> software, not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The
>>> marketplace will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue
>>> with 32-bit software.

>>
>> People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
>> Take that support away and they will eventually change.
>> --
>> Ron P
>>
>> Member of the ignored generation


If you are referring to me, I am not the least bit insecure about 64 bit and
am due to change my computer and when I do it will be a massive change. When
I change, I will change everything that I can to 64 bit at the same time. I
will however have to be patient because what I want isn't available at a
price that I am willing to pay.

I want to get a computer with multiple cores like dual quad cores and at
least 8 gigs of ram expandable to at least 16 gigs or more. I also want 4
SATA drives of at least 500 gigs each.

Until software and hardware manufacturers climb on the 64 bit band wagon,
there is little point in buying equipment that I will just have to replace
because it isn't up to what I want to do.
 
Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows?


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> Microsoft is not autocratic over the market and will provide what the
> customers (end users and builders) want, which will be influenced by their
> comfort level and future needs.


Are you on crack?
 
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