OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

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Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

Thanks, Robert. I did try plugging it in using every configuration I could
think of, including reversing the ends, but still couldn't get it to work.
I hate to think about cracking open the box again but I'll give it a try.

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13n6chk7jnmf7ad@corp.supernews.com...
> PCR wrote:
> > I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug it &
> > stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that fails to
> > work...
> >
> > Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only hardware
> > problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect any drivers during
> > any boot after the power supply was replaced?
> >
> > If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
> >
> > Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
> >
> > (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
> > (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
> >
> > If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have
> > a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it
> > to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked.
> >
> > But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
> >
> > (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
> > (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
> > (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
> > (5) Click the "Next" button.
> > (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
> > (7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> >
> > Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the
> > Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the
> > Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left
> > pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane,
> > descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you
> > see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original
> > just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next".
> >
> > (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all
> > is working well, & I will let that be.)
> >
> >
> It might also be useful to check what the BIOS sees for the floppy,
> and check elsewhere in the BIOS to see if it is enabled.
> Certainly if it is plugged in wrong (light on and constantly running
> indicates that is the case), the BIOS will not "see" a floppy drive.
> As far as "red stripe" on the cable goes, it can be plugged in wrong
> on either end (plugged in wrong on both ends is the same as being
correct).
> And it does not hurt to make sure the cable is fully seated on both
ends.
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side (top/bottom) with the side ends
extruding slightly past goes towards the male connector. Also the matching pin holes
will be closest to that edge.


--

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"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
news:OoYdQsoSIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> How do I know if the molex connector is right side up? Does the red wire go
> on the lefthand side?

>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ufbo%23TQSIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If the light stays on all the time no matter which way you turn the data
> cable, it's
>> possible you are not getting the cable plugged in securely. You may need
> to push a
>> little harder when connecting the cable.
>>
>> Also, make sure the molex power cable is connected right side up and
> firmly seated.
>>
>> Make sure you have the data cable aligned properly to all the pins on the
> connector,
>> with no pins bent to the side, and that you are not plugging the cable in
> off set so
>> that you are not on a couple of pins at one end of the connector.
>>
>> It's also possible the controller board on the drive got damaged when you
> were
>> switching the molex...they can get loose and then crack.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.net/
>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:uf7b94OSIHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > My thanks to you all for coming thru, as always.
>> >
>> > What's strange in this situation is that I never touched the ribbon
> cable
>> > during the power supply install. I did unplug the molex connector to
> the
>> > drive and that was it.
>> >
>> > I have also tried flipping the ribbon data cable in all configurations
> and
>> > it didn't make any difference. That's why I was wondering if it was the
>> > controller. I've also checked the bios and things looked ok there. I'll
> try
>> > the ribbon cable again and the other suggestions and report back.
>> >
>> > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:%23Z%23%23YysRIHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
> computer,
>> >> going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything back in, the
> floppy
>> >> disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and the fdd light on the front
> of
>> >> the computer stayed on. Now, I've gone through almost all the
>> >> tests--checking the Molex connector to be sure it's in there correctly;
>> >> making sure the fdd ribbon cable red wire side is connected to pin 1.
>> >> Making sure the power supply is in there properly. I tried flipping
> some
>> >> connections around just to see if that would fix things--nothing. I
> even
>> >> bought a new fdd and installed it, again making sure all connections
> were
>> >> correct, and still had the same problem. I've disconnected the drive
> so
>> >> that I don't hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and see the green
> LED
>> >> stay lit.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd controller
> or
>> >> what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the new PS.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
>> >> --
>> >> { : [|]=( DaffyD®
>> >>
>> >> If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

DaffyD® wrote:
| I'll give this a try and report back to the group. I may need to
| break into the box again which I hate to do since it's very old
| somewhat difficult to maneuver around inside without pulling out
| other power ribbon cables. I also need to unscrew expansion cards
| from the back of the box if I need to slide out the motherboard to
| give me even more room inside to poke around.

OK. Yea, be careful in there. Go in only if all driver fiddling fails.
Then, ensure all is plugged in right on all the drives & cards & even
that the RAM is in secure. It could be some device other than the floppy
is plugged bad & is the actual culprit somehow. Also, try an alternative
power plug for the floppy, if within reach. Keep us informed.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eCZeAIBSIHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug it &
|> stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that fails to
|> work...
|>
|> Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only hardware
|> problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect any drivers
|> during any boot after the power supply was replaced?
|>
|> If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
|>
|> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
|>
|> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
|> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
|>
|> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may
|> have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode.
|> Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked.
|>
|> But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
|>
|> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
|> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
|> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
|> (5) Click the "Next" button.
|> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
|> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
|>
|> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the
|> Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the
|> Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left
|> pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane,
|> descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you
|> see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original
|> just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next".
|>
|> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But,
|> all is working well, & I will let that be.)
|>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> DaffyD® wrote:
|> | I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
|> | computer, going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything
|> | back in, the floppy disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and
|> | the fdd light on the front of the computer stayed on. Now, I've
|> | gone through almost all the tests--checking the Molex connector to
|> | be sure it's in there correctly; making sure the fdd ribbon cable
|> | red wire side is connected to pin 1. Making sure the power supply
|> | is in there properly. I tried flipping some connections around
|> | just to see if that would fix things--nothing. I even bought a new
|> | fdd and installed it, again making sure all connections were
|> | correct, and still had the same problem. I've disconnected the
|> | drive so that I don't hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and
|> | see the green LED stay lit.
|> |
|> | I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd
|> | controller or what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the
|> | new PS.
|> |
|> | Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
|> | --
|> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|> |
|> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

DaffyD® wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:u0WAhebSIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> PCR wrote:
|> | DaffyD® wrote:
|> || Stand on my hand? I think it would only make matters worse if I
|> || had to flip the data cable around using my feet.
|> ||
|> || Thanks for the other tips, PCR.
|> |
|> | You are welcome. One final thought, going by the symptom you report
|> | that there is a constant access of the floppy drive...
|> |
|> | (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
|> | (2) Open the "Disk drives" branch.
|> | (3) D-Clk the floppy drive that appears under it for Properties.
|> | (Mine is "Generic NEC Floppy Disk".)
|> | (4) At the Settings tab, ensure "Removable" is unchecked.
|> |
|> | (It just sounds as if that might relate.)
|
|>
|> SHEESH-- I mean ensure it is CHECKED!
|
| NOW you tell me!

LOL. It rolled into my head from my pinky toe as I practiced standing on
my own head. That's a long way to go!

|> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> || news:eCZeAIBSIHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> ||> I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug
|> ||> it & stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that
|> ||> fails to work...
|> ||>
|> ||> Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only
|> ||> hardware problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect
|> ||> any drivers during any boot after the power supply was replaced?
|> ||>
|> ||> If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
|> ||>
|> ||> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
|> ||>
|> ||> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
|> ||> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
|> ||>
|> ||> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you
|> ||> may have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to
|> ||> Normal Mode. Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if
|> ||> asked.
|> ||>
|> ||> But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
|> ||>
|> ||> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
|> ||> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
|> ||> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
|> ||> (5) Click the "Next" button.
|> ||> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
|> ||> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
|> ||>
|> ||> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in
|> ||> the Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller"
|> ||> in the Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there
|> ||> in the left pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the
|> ||> left pane, descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps,
|> ||> state what you see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and
|> ||> back to the original just to shake things up. To switch, select
|> ||> one, & click "Next".
|> ||>
|> ||> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller.
|> ||> But, all is working well, & I will let that be.)
|> ||>
|> ||>
|> ||> --
|> ||> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> ||> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> ||> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> ||> Should things get worse after this,
|> ||> PCR
|> ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> ||>
|> ||> DaffyD® wrote:
|> ||> | I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on
|> ||> | my computer, going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged
|> ||> | everything back in, the floppy disk drive kept turning like a
|> ||> | cd drive and the fdd light on the front of the computer stayed
|> ||> | on. Now, I've gone through almost all the tests--checking the
|> ||> | Molex connector to be sure it's in there correctly; making
|> ||> | sure the fdd ribbon cable red wire side is connected to pin 1.
|> ||> | Making sure the power supply is in there properly. I tried
|> ||> | flipping some connections around just to see if that would fix
|> ||> | things--nothing. I even bought a new fdd and installed it,
|> ||> | again making sure all connections were correct, and still had
|> ||> | the same problem. I've disconnected the drive so that I don't
|> ||> | hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and see the green LED
|> ||> | stay lit.
|> ||> |
|> ||> | I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd
|> ||> | controller or what the deal is. The drive worked fine before
|> ||> | the new PS.
|> ||> |
|> ||> | Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first
|> ||> | question. --
|> ||> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|> ||> |
|> ||> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

DaffyD® wrote:

> How do I know if the molex connector is right side up? Does the red wire go
> on the lefthand side?
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ufbo%23TQSIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>>If the light stays on all the time no matter which way you turn the data
>
> cable, it's
>
>>possible you are not getting the cable plugged in securely. You may need
>
> to push a
>
>>little harder when connecting the cable.
>>
>>Also, make sure the molex power cable is connected right side up and
>
> firmly seated.
>
>>Make sure you have the data cable aligned properly to all the pins on the
>
> connector,
>
>>with no pins bent to the side, and that you are not plugging the cable in
>
> off set so
>
>>that you are not on a couple of pins at one end of the connector.
>>
>>It's also possible the controller board on the drive got damaged when you
>
> were
>
>>switching the molex...they can get loose and then crack.
>>--
>>Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>>http://dts-l.net/
>>http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>>"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:uf7b94OSIHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>My thanks to you all for coming thru, as always.
>>>
>>>What's strange in this situation is that I never touched the ribbon
>
> cable
>
>>>during the power supply install. I did unplug the molex connector to
>
> the
>
>>>drive and that was it.
>>>
>>>I have also tried flipping the ribbon data cable in all configurations
>
> and
>
>>>it didn't make any difference. That's why I was wondering if it was the
>>>controller. I've also checked the bios and things looked ok there. I'll
>
> try
>
>>>the ribbon cable again and the other suggestions and report back.
>>>
>>>"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:%23Z%23%23YysRIHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
>
> computer,
>
>>>>going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything back in, the
>
> floppy
>
>>>>disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and the fdd light on the front
>
> of
>
>>>>the computer stayed on. Now, I've gone through almost all the
>>>>tests--checking the Molex connector to be sure it's in there correctly;
>>>>making sure the fdd ribbon cable red wire side is connected to pin 1.
>>>>Making sure the power supply is in there properly. I tried flipping
>
> some
>
>>>>connections around just to see if that would fix things--nothing. I
>
> even
>
>>>>bought a new fdd and installed it, again making sure all connections
>
> were
>
>>>>correct, and still had the same problem. I've disconnected the drive
>
> so
>
>>>>that I don't hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and see the green
>
> LED
>
>>>>stay lit.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd controller
>
> or
>
>>>>what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the new PS.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
>>>>--
>>>>{ : [|]=( DaffyD®
>>>>
>>>>If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
I repeat: there is *no* standard on floppy drives, so the answer is
the same as for Shrodinger's cat in the box: both dead and alive.
Ya gots to *look* at the hardware carefully; in this case at *both* ends!
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

DaffyD® wrote:

> I'll give this a try and report back to the group. I may need to break into
> the box again which I hate to do since it's very old somewhat difficult to
> maneuver around inside without pulling out other power ribbon cables. I also
> need to unscrew expansion cards from the back of the box if I need to slide
> out the motherboard to give me even more room inside to poke around.
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:eCZeAIBSIHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>>I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug it &
>>stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that fails to
>>work...
>>
>>Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only hardware
>>problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect any drivers during
>>any boot after the power supply was replaced?
>>
>>If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
>>
>>Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
>>
>>(1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
>>(2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
>>
>> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may have
>>a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode. Point it
>>to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked.
>>
>> But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
>>
>>(3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
>> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
>>(4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
>>(5) Click the "Next" button.
>>(6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
>>(7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
>>
>>Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the
>>Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the
>>Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left
>>pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane,
>>descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you
>>see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original
>>just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next".
>>
>>(It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But, all
>>is working well, & I will let that be.)
>>
>>
>>--
>>Thanks or Good Luck,
>>There may be humor in this post, and,
>>Naturally, you will not sue,
>>Should things get worse after this,
>>PCR
>>pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>>DaffyD® wrote:
>>| I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
>>| computer, going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything back
>>| in, the floppy disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and the fdd
>>| light on the front of the computer stayed on. Now, I've gone through
>>| almost all the tests--checking the Molex connector to be sure it's in
>>| there correctly; making sure the fdd ribbon cable red wire side is
>>| connected to pin 1. Making sure the power supply is in there
>>| properly. I tried flipping some connections around just to see if
>>| that would fix things--nothing. I even bought a new fdd and installed
>>| it, again making sure all connections were correct, and still had the
>>| same problem. I've disconnected the drive so that I don't hear that
>>| frustrating "whirring" sound and see the green LED stay lit.
>>|
>>| I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd
>>| controller or what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the new
>>| PS.
>>|
>>| Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
>>| --
>>| { : [|]=( DaffyD®
>>|
>>| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Ahh... accesability!
You might be unwittingly loosening a cable end...
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Brian A. wrote:

> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side (top/bottom) with
> the side ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male connector.
> Also the matching pin holes will be closest to that edge.
>
>
*What* "matching" pin holes?
The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to say, it looks
the same with stripe to right or stripe to left.
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23kdPrrpSIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |
> |>
> |> SHEESH-- I mean ensure it is CHECKED!
> |
> | NOW you tell me!
>
> LOL. It rolled into my head from my pinky toe as I practiced standing on
> my own head. That's a long way to go!

The right leg of the R is deteriorating quickly and soon enough PCR will be PCP.


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in
news:uegg4zoSIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Thanks, Robert. I did try plugging it in using every
> configuration I could think of, including reversing the
> ends, but still couldn't get it to work. I hate to think
> about cracking open the box again but I'll give it a try.

<SNIP>

Are you the most successful troll ever or do you just appear to
be one?

--
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The only cure for brilliance is death.
The only cure for love is death.
The only cure for hate is death.
Indifference needs no cure.
The only cure for life is death.
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Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13neb9klep39gea@corp.supernews.com...
> Brian A. wrote:
>
>> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side (top/bottom) with the side
>> ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male connector. Also the matching
>> pin holes will be closest to that edge.
>>
>>
> *What* "matching" pin holes?
> The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to say, it looks the same
> with stripe to right or stripe to left.

Not on any of the floppy power connectors I've ever used.
Have a good look here:
http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq1.htm


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Brian A. wrote:

> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:13neb9klep39gea@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side (top/bottom)
>>> with the side ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male
>>> connector. Also the matching pin holes will be closest to that edge.
>>>
>>>
>> *What* "matching" pin holes?
>> The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to say, it looks
>> the same with stripe to right or stripe to left.
>
>
> Not on any of the floppy power connectors I've ever used.
> Have a good look here:
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq1.htm
>
>
We were *NOT* talking about power cables; the stated problem stems
from the way the controller cable is connected.
*READ* the history................................
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13nephtoagdhr1f@corp.supernews.com...
> Brian A. wrote:
>
>> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:13neb9klep39gea@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side (top/bottom) with the side
>>>> ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male connector. Also the matching
>>>> pin holes will be closest to that edge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> *What* "matching" pin holes?
>>> The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to say, it looks the same
>>> with stripe to right or stripe to left.
>>
>>
>> Not on any of the floppy power connectors I've ever used.
>> Have a good look here:
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq1.htm
>>
>>
> We were *NOT* talking about power cables; the stated problem stems from the way
> the controller cable is connected.
> *READ* the history................................

Get a clue and follow your own advice!! Both data and power cable/connector have
been mentioned in the thread.


--

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

Yes, the floppy was the only problem. Everything else is fine. I also
checked the BIOS as well as starting in Safe Mode. Everything is a go. The
only thing left to do is step inside the box.

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uiYKTopSIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> DaffyD® wrote:
> | I'll give this a try and report back to the group. I may need to
> | break into the box again which I hate to do since it's very old
> | somewhat difficult to maneuver around inside without pulling out
> | other power ribbon cables. I also need to unscrew expansion cards
> | from the back of the box if I need to slide out the motherboard to
> | give me even more room inside to poke around.
>
> OK. Yea, be careful in there. Go in only if all driver fiddling fails.
> Then, ensure all is plugged in right on all the drives & cards & even
> that the RAM is in secure. It could be some device other than the floppy
> is plugged bad & is the actual culprit somehow. Also, try an alternative
> power plug for the floppy, if within reach. Keep us informed.
>
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:eCZeAIBSIHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug it &
> |> stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that fails to
> |> work...
> |>
> |> Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only hardware
> |> problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect any drivers
> |> during any boot after the power supply was replaced?
> |>
> |> If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
> |>
> |> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
> |>
> |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
> |> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
> |>
> |> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you may
> |> have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to Normal Mode.
> |> Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if asked.
> |>
> |> But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
> |>
> |> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
> |> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
> |> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
> |> (5) Click the "Next" button.
> |> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
> |> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
> |>
> |> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in the
> |> Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller" in the
> |> Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there in the left
> |> pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the left pane,
> |> descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps, state what you
> |> see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and back to the original
> |> just to shake things up. To switch, select one, & click "Next".
> |>
> |> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But,
> |> all is working well, & I will let that be.)
> |>
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |>
> |> DaffyD® wrote:
> |> | I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
> |> | computer, going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything
> |> | back in, the floppy disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and
> |> | the fdd light on the front of the computer stayed on. Now, I've
> |> | gone through almost all the tests--checking the Molex connector to
> |> | be sure it's in there correctly; making sure the fdd ribbon cable
> |> | red wire side is connected to pin 1. Making sure the power supply
> |> | is in there properly. I tried flipping some connections around
> |> | just to see if that would fix things--nothing. I even bought a new
> |> | fdd and installed it, again making sure all connections were
> |> | correct, and still had the same problem. I've disconnected the
> |> | drive so that I don't hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and
> |> | see the green LED stay lit.
> |> |
> |> | I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd
> |> | controller or what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the
> |> | new PS.
> |> |
> |> | Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
> |> | --
> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
> |> |
> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in
news:#0CqqCuSIHA.5264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:13nephtoagdhr1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13neb9klep39gea@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side
>>>>> (top/bottom) with the side
>>>>> ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male
>>>>> connector. Also the matching pin holes will be closest
>>>>> to that edge.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> *What* "matching" pin holes?
>>>> The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to
>>>> say, it looks the same
>>>> with stripe to right or stripe to left.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not on any of the floppy power connectors I've ever
>>> used.
>>> Have a good look here:
>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq1.htm
>>>
>>>
>> We were *NOT* talking about power cables; the stated
>> problem stems from the way
>> the controller cable is connected.
>> *READ* the history................................
>
> Get a clue and follow your own advice!! Both data and
> power cable/connector have
> been mentioned in the thread.

The troll theory appears closer to final and official
validation...


--
The only cure for stupidity is death.
The only cure for brilliance is death.
The only cure for love is death.
The only cure for hate is death.
Indifference needs no cure.
The only cure for life is death.
{© 2007 thanatoid}
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

You are the most useless waste of space in all of creation. I would say
that it's a miracle that you can breathe and think at the same time, but
thinking is obviously not one of your basic functions.


"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9A162DEA2776thanexit@66.250.146.158...
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in
> news:uegg4zoSIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
> > Thanks, Robert. I did try plugging it in using every
> > configuration I could think of, including reversing the
> > ends, but still couldn't get it to work. I hate to think
> > about cracking open the box again but I'll give it a try.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Are you the most successful troll ever or do you just appear to
> be one?
>
> --
> The only cure for stupidity is death.
> The only cure for brilliance is death.
> The only cure for love is death.
> The only cure for hate is death.
> Indifference needs no cure.
> The only cure for life is death.
> {© 2007 thanatoid}
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Hey--in some fluke of nature, you guessed my personality type: Thinking
Rational Organized Logical Liberal.

Your personality type is scum. If you had any friends, no that's stupid, you
have no friends. No need to wonder why. No need to waste further comment on
you. You're blocked from now on.

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9A167F345645thanexit@66.250.146.158...
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in
> news:#0CqqCuSIHA.5264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
> > "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> > news:13nephtoagdhr1f@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Brian A. wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Robert Baer" <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:13neb9klep39gea@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>>> Brian A. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Looking at the connector straight-on, the flat side
> >>>>> (top/bottom) with the side
> >>>>> ends extruding slightly past goes towards the male
> >>>>> connector. Also the matching pin holes will be closest
> >>>>> to that edge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> *What* "matching" pin holes?
> >>>> The connector looks perfectly symmetrical - that is to
> >>>> say, it looks the same
> >>>> with stripe to right or stripe to left.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not on any of the floppy power connectors I've ever
> >>> used.
> >>> Have a good look here:
> >>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq1.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >> We were *NOT* talking about power cables; the stated
> >> problem stems from the way
> >> the controller cable is connected.
> >> *READ* the history................................
> >
> > Get a clue and follow your own advice!! Both data and
> > power cable/connector have
> > been mentioned in the thread.
>
> The troll theory appears closer to final and official
> validation...
>
>
> --
> The only cure for stupidity is death.
> The only cure for brilliance is death.
> The only cure for love is death.
> The only cure for hate is death.
> Indifference needs no cure.
> The only cure for life is death.
> {© 2007 thanatoid}
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in
news:OBydOLxSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> You are the most useless waste of space in all of creation.
> I would say that it's a miracle that you can breathe and
> think at the same time

I am MOST impressed. You may be an annoying troll, but HOW did
you know I stop breathing when I think? (Makes it a /bit/
inconvenient to think long thoughts.)

> but thinking is obviously not one
> of your basic functions.

No, YOU are the expert on thinking as this thread clearly
proves.

Thank you for top-posting, BTW.


--
The only cure for stupidity is death.
The only cure for brilliance is death.
The only cure for love is death.
The only cure for hate is death.
Indifference needs no cure.
The only cure for life is death.
{© 2007 thanatoid}
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question--Reply To All Who Responded

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in
news:eJWiiQxSIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Hey--in some fluke of nature, you guessed my personality
> type: Thinking Rational Organized Logical Liberal.
>
> Your personality type is scum. If you had any friends, no
> that's stupid, you have no friends. No need to wonder why.
> No need to waste further comment on you. You're blocked
> from now on.

Re-posted for your convenience. (The term is "killfiled" or
"plonked", BTW {by the way}.)

Newsgroups: rocketsmall:microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Subject: Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question
To: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com>

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in
news:OBydOLxSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> You are the most useless waste of space in all of creation.
> I would say that it's a miracle that you can breathe and
> think at the same time

I am MOST impressed. You may be an annoying troll, but HOW did
you know I stop breathing when I think? (Makes it a /bit/
inconvenient to think long thoughts.)

> but thinking is obviously not one
> of your basic functions.

No, YOU are the expert on thinking as this thread clearly
proves.

Thank you for top-posting, BTW.


--
The only cure for stupidity is death.
The only cure for brilliance is death.
The only cure for love is death.
The only cure for hate is death.
Indifference needs no cure.
The only cure for life is death.
{© 2007 thanatoid}
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

Brian A. wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23kdPrrpSIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> |
|> |>
|> |> SHEESH-- I mean ensure it is CHECKED!
|> |
|> | NOW you tell me!
|>
|> LOL. It rolled into my head from my pinky toe as I practiced
|> standing on my own head. That's a long way to go!
|
| The right leg of the R is deteriorating quickly and soon enough PCR
| will be PCP.

Uh-uh! It was JUST standing on it's head a while... ÿ..!

| --
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
Re: OK--The Floppy Disk Drive Question

DaffyD® wrote:
| Yes, the floppy was the only problem. Everything else is fine. I also
| checked the BIOS as well as starting in Safe Mode. Everything is a
| go. The only thing left to do is step inside the box.

Hmm. OK. Too bad. In you go, then. It might be as the others said--
plugged in wrong, bent pin, cracked motherboard, etc. Keep us informed.
How tough would it be to go back to the smaller power supply, in case
the floppies were somehow sensitive to that?

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uiYKTopSIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> DaffyD® wrote:
|> | I'll give this a try and report back to the group. I may need to
|> | break into the box again which I hate to do since it's very old
|> | somewhat difficult to maneuver around inside without pulling out
|> | other power ribbon cables. I also need to unscrew expansion cards
|> | from the back of the box if I need to slide out the motherboard to
|> | give me even more room inside to poke around.
|>
|> OK. Yea, be careful in there. Go in only if all driver fiddling
|> fails. Then, ensure all is plugged in right on all the drives &
|> cards & even that the RAM is in secure. It could be some device
|> other than the floppy is plugged bad & is the actual culprit
|> somehow. Also, try an alternative power plug for the floppy, if
|> within reach. Keep us informed.
|>
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:eCZeAIBSIHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> I think I must agree with the others, DaffyD®! You must unplug it
|> |> & stand on your head while plugging it in again! But, if that
|> |> fails to work...
|> |>
|> |> Right after replacing the power supply, was this the only hardware
|> |> problem that showed up? Did Windows have to redetect any drivers
|> |> during any boot after the power supply was replaced?
|> |>
|> |> If all else fails, it's worth a try to...
|> |>
|> |> Boot to Safe Mode (Hold F5 or Ctrl as you boot), &...
|> |>
|> |> (1) "Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"
|> |> (2) Open the "Floppy disk controllers" branch.
|> |>
|> |> If there are more than one controller in this branch, you
|> |> may have a "ghost". Therefore, delete them all, & reboot to
|> |> Normal Mode. Point it to the folder that contains your .cabs, if
|> |> asked.
|> |>
|> |> But, if there is already just one driver there, then...
|> |>
|> |> (3) D-Clk the controller that appears under it for Properties.
|> |> (Mine is "Standard Floppy Disk Controller".)
|> |> (4) At the Driver tab, click the "Update Driver" button.
|> |> (5) Click the "Next" button.
|> |> (6) Bolt "Display a list of drivers...", & click "Next".
|> |> (7) Bolt "Show all hardware".
|> |>
|> |> Examine the screen. Mine is "Standard floppy disk controllers" in
|> |> the Manufacturers (left) pane & "Standard Floppy Disk Controller"
|> |> in the Models (right) pane. But I have four other choices there
|> |> in the left pane-- including "Compaq". As one clicks them in the
|> |> left pane, descriptive info shows up in the right pane. Perhaps,
|> |> state what you see. It could be worthwhile to go to another and
|> |> back to the original just to shake things up. To switch, select
|> |> one, & click "Next".
|> |>
|> |> (It seems odd mine is the Standard & not a Compaq controller. But,
|> |> all is working well, & I will let that be.)
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> |>
|> |> DaffyD® wrote:
|> |> | I'm running Win 98SE. I recently replaced the power supply on my
|> |> | computer, going from a 350W to 400W. After I plugged everything
|> |> | back in, the floppy disk drive kept turning like a cd drive and
|> |> | the fdd light on the front of the computer stayed on. Now, I've
|> |> | gone through almost all the tests--checking the Molex connector
|> |> | to be sure it's in there correctly; making sure the fdd ribbon
|> |> | cable red wire side is connected to pin 1. Making sure the
|> |> | power supply is in there properly. I tried flipping some
|> |> | connections around just to see if that would fix
|> |> | things--nothing. I even bought a new fdd and installed it,
|> |> | again making sure all connections were correct, and still had
|> |> | the same problem. I've disconnected the drive so that I don't
|> |> | hear that frustrating "whirring" sound and see the green LED
|> |> | stay lit.
|> |> |
|> |> | I don't know if installing the power supply damaged the fdd
|> |> | controller or what the deal is. The drive worked fine before the
|> |> | new PS.
|> |> |
|> |> | Oh, and thanks to all of you who responded to my first question.
|> |> | --
|> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|> |> |
|> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
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