Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

[DaffyD®]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up


"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> thanatoid wrote:
> >>"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> >>
> >> Actually, he did replace the drive. This is a long thread
> >> and it is easy to miss what he did and did not do.
> >> I believe that he: (not in any particular order after he
> >> replaced the PSU) 1) replaced the ribbon cable
> >> 2) reversed the ribbon cable at either end and at both ends
> >> 3) checked to see if his FDD Controller was listed (Safe
> >> Mode only showed one)
> >> 4) rechecked his PS connection to the MB
> >> 5) rechecked his power supply connection to the FDD (not
> >> sure if it is possible to reverse that connection)
> >> 6) replaced the FDD with a 'new' one
> >> 7) removed the ribbon cable from the new FDD and still had
> >> the problem
> >>
> >> Would a reversed polarity on the power supply to the FDD
> >> cause the above?
> >
> > Right, and *I* am the whack job.
> >
> > 1.
> > Anyone who has /any/ serious computer experience has found out
> > over time that /sometimes/ things happen that have NO LOGICAL
> > EXPLANATION.
> >
> > 2.
> > OTOH, anybody who would go on for weeks about components which
> > would cost him a total of about $20 to replace,
> [cut]
>
> The OP did replace the FDD and the ribbon cable.
> He did not replace the new PSU.
> PS:Life can be either what others make it for you OR what you make it for
> yourself.
> Not stated properly, but I think it is appropiate.
>
>Thanks, Buff. I've kill filed this guy so I have no idea what he is writing
unless it's contained in a response my another poster.

 

[thanatoid]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
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<SNIP>

> Now, I've found a photo...!...
> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm
> Power to Floppy Drive

Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!

(As if ANY more proof was needed.)

--
Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
reality.

 

[DaffyD®]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up


"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> DaffyD® wrote:
> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > news:e7mc8FwVIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> >>> Please don't feed the trolls. Or have you adopted one of them?
> >>
> >> I'm not convinced thanatoid is 99.99% a troll. I think he still can
> >> be exorcised with hot coals & a prayer!
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary S. Terhune
> >>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >>> www.grystmill.com
> >>>
> >>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>>> thanatoid wrote:
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks or Good Luck,
> >> There may be humor in this post, and,
> >> Naturally, you will not sue,
> >> Should things get worse after this,
> >> PCR
> >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >>
> >> And I thought that guy was calling me a troll. Maybe he was. My brain
> > hurts again and I go lie down now.
>
> That 'guy' (meaning Gary S. Terhune) you thought was calling you a troll
is
> one of the sharpest in the Win98 NG.
> Have a cold beer and relax because you have a couple of the best answering
> you.
>
> You misunderstood--I would never call Gary a troll. He's been of great
help over the past 10 years. I was referring to the guy using the nick
"thanatoid" (or something like that).

 

[DaffyD®]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up


"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 14, 10:02 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> You are missing an essential point. This is a fictitious system
> with a fictitious problem. Therefore, nothing will EVER work,
> until the troll decides he's bored and will announce his system
> has miraculously started behaving like a normal computer.

War games.

Your posts are educational but I'm less than happy to see any of that jerk's
text since I've kill filed his posts. Your responses are still most
appreciated
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

 

[DaffyD®]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> DaffyD® wrote:
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:O09SVKwVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> DaffyD® wrote:
> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> | news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> |pcr, thanks for your support of me in your reply to whatever that
> |> | jerk wrote. i've blocked his posts and i scrolled past the text you
> |> | replied to in your post so i have no idea what junk he was spewing.
> |>
> |> I'm going to hunt him down for an exorcism with prayer & hot coals.
> |> Soon you may remove him from your kill-file for being cured or for
> |> the redundancy of it.
> |>
> |> | --
> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
> |> |
> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>
> ...snip
> | he's cured? how much salt did it take?
>
> Not yet! I haven't found him yet! After I have applied prayer & he has
> swallowed the hot coals, for one reason or another you may remove him
> from your kill-file-- but wait until I say!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>Good luck with the hunt. If you run short of hot coals, please let me
know.
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

 

[PCR]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eMNqgv8VIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> DaffyD® wrote:
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:O09SVKwVIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> DaffyD® wrote:
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:ejbhBVjVIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |>
|> |> ...snip
|> |> |pcr, thanks for your support of me in your reply to whatever that
|> |> | jerk wrote. i've blocked his posts and i scrolled past the text
|> |> | you replied to in your post so i have no idea what junk he was
|> |> | spewing.
|> |>
|> |> I'm going to hunt him down for an exorcism with prayer & hot
|> |> coals. Soon you may remove him from your kill-file for being
|> |> cured or for the redundancy of it.
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|> |> |
|> |> | If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
|>
|> ...snip
|> | he's cured? how much salt did it take?
|>
|> Not yet! I haven't found him yet! After I have applied prayer & he
|> has swallowed the hot coals, for one reason or another you may
|> remove him from your kill-file-- but wait until I say!

....snip
| Good luck with the hunt. If you run short of hot coals, please let me
| know.

Usually, it takes only three hot coals & 17 prayers to perform an
exorcism. Some people can do it with less-- but it is very rare more
will be needed!

| --
| { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|
| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
|
| <SNIP>
|
|> Now, I've found a photo...!...
|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm
|> Power to Floppy Drive
|
| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!

It seems to me from the photos the power connector can possibly go in
upside-down with a little bending of plastic. And that site, itself,
says...!...

"The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."
&
"This is one of the few power connections that can confuse new
builders."

Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid-- & you must
be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals & memorizing 14 prayers!

| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!
|
| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll. He was coming here while you
still were in the Win95 NG. And lots of good information has been posted
to this thread, even if none of it has worked quite yet. It does get
more/more doubtful what to do when the first good suggestions don't
work. That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power connector
might seem reasonable!

| --
| Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
| reality.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[thanatoid]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:#WJbGCJWIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> thanatoid wrote:
>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>|
>| <SNIP>
>|
>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...
>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm
>|> Power to Floppy Drive
>|
>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!
>
> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can
> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of
> plastic.

Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long
thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling
computers. SIGH.

> And that site, itself, says...!...
> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."

Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous
with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".

> &
> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse
> new builders."

Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is
largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".

> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--
> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &
> memorizing 14 prayers!

Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,
so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?

>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!
>|
>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)

> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.

Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs
checked.

> He was coming here
> while you still were in the Win95 NG.

What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant
person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not
by choice).

> And lots of good
> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of
> it has worked quite yet.

A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an
actual computer.

> It does get more/more doubtful
> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.

That's one way to put it.

> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power
> connector might seem reasonable!

Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)
in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the
first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,
although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.

Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of
duck diapers.


--
Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
reality.

 

[PCR]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:#WJbGCJWIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
|
|> thanatoid wrote:
|>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
|>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
|>|
|>| <SNIP>
|>|
|>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...
|>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm
|>|> Power to Floppy Drive
|>|
|>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!
|>
|> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can
|> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of
|> plastic.
|
| Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long
| thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling
| computers. SIGH.

Well, (although it makes no major difference) the photo at that site
doesn't perfectly match the floppy socket I see on this SONY MPF920-Z I
pulled from a discarded ME-machine. This one has another leg to the
white plastic under the 4 metal prongs, though it is off slightly to the
right. Also, someone said, in this thread or in the other, that there is
variation in floppy plugs & sockets. (I won't open my box just to see
what my own floppy power plug looks like.)

And DaffyD® has said his has gone in both ways & never mentioned he had
to force it! I'm sure he would have said!

|> And that site, itself, says...!...
|> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."
|
| Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous
| with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".

No, it isn't. But someone did post the metal prongs carry different
voltages. OTOH, another did post that the grounds (black wires in the
middle) might somehow prevent damage to the floppy & motherboard. I
don't know. But there is this about certain connections at the
motherboard side...

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html
All about the various PC power supply cables and connectors

I'm offline & cannot quote it precisely, but it says-- sparks may fly!

|> &
|> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse
|> new builders."
|
| Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is
| largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".

I remain unconvinced that DaffyD® is a troll. He's been here before &
been frustrated before & it hasn't turned him into a troll yet. I
estimate it will take 8 more years before it does!

|> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--
|> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &
|> memorizing 14 prayers!
|
| Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,
| so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?

They are reusable after they are spit out or come out the other end. No,
no-- SERIOUSLY...

There might be a way for prayers to work. I can believe a placebo kind
of effect can happen just by having someone pray over you or care for
you-- but I'm not qualified to do it! And there are dangers involved.
Some fakes may really just want your money. Or, you may actually be the
fake looking for something. I'm not qualified to know! And I've
forgotten all my prayers, anyhow!

Maybe post your sorry story to a new thread with a warning it may cause
our hair to fall out, & see what happens. I'm offline, or I'd look for a
more appropriate site for you. But who can trust anyone?

|>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!
|>|
|>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)
|
|> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.
|
| Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs
| checked.

Nah. He has a machine that defies normal measures. After that, anything
goes.

|> He was coming here
|> while you still were in the Win95 NG.
|
| What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant
| person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not
| by choice).

Time & familiarity makes a difference.

|> And lots of good
|> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of
|> it has worked quite yet.
|
| A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an
| actual computer.

Not necessarily. Regular fixes don't always work. It could be a
seemingly unrelated part is at fault or that the motherboard has cracked
as glee said.

|> It does get more/more doubtful
|> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.
|
| That's one way to put it.
|
|> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power
|> connector might seem reasonable!
|
| Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)
| in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the
| first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,
| although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.
|
| Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of
| duck diapers.

I have a friend who shoved in one/two hard drive IDE data cables
upside-down-- & THOSE definitely are shaped to go in one way! It was a
horrible bulge! (I was surprised to see all was well when I reversed
them!)

It could be a variation in the shape of floppy drive plugs made it easy
for DaffyD®. And it wasn't his idea in the first place, IIRC! It's been
a week about since he first posted I think. So, he could legitimately
have reached his 3rd pack of duck diapers-- but I don't know!

| --
| Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
| reality.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[DaffyD®]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uku8z$VWIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> thanatoid wrote:
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
> | news:#WJbGCJWIHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
> |
> |> thanatoid wrote:
> |>| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
> |>| news:uNr9jC9VIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> |>|
> |>| <SNIP>
> |>|
> |>|> Now, I've found a photo...!...
> |>|> http://www.pcguide.com/byop/byop_PowertoFloppyDrive.htm
> |>|> Power to Floppy Drive
> |>|
> |>| Right, and it ONLY GOES IN ONE WAY!
> |>
> |> It seems to me from the photos the power connector can
> |> possibly go in upside-down with a little bending of
> |> plastic.
> |
> | Yes, bending plastic parts and (preferably LOTS of) 4 mm long
> | thin metal pins are STANDARD procedures when assembling
> | computers. SIGH.
>
> Well, (although it makes no major difference) the photo at that site
> doesn't perfectly match the floppy socket I see on this SONY MPF920-Z I
> pulled from a discarded ME-machine. This one has another leg to the
> white plastic under the 4 metal prongs, though it is off slightly to the
> right. Also, someone said, in this thread or in the other, that there is
> variation in floppy plugs & sockets. (I won't open my box just to see
> what my own floppy power plug looks like.)
>
> And DaffyD® has said his has gone in both ways & never mentioned he had
> to force it! I'm sure he would have said!
>
> |> And that site, itself, says...!...
> |> "The floppy makes use of an odd looking power connector."
> |
> | Hate to break this to you, but "odd-looking" is NOT synonymous
> | with "will fry the floppy and power supply when plugged in".
>
> No, it isn't. But someone did post the metal prongs carry different
> voltages. OTOH, another did post that the grounds (black wires in the
> middle) might somehow prevent damage to the floppy & motherboard. I
> don't know. But there is this about certain connections at the
> motherboard side...
>
> http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html
> All about the various PC power supply cables and connectors
>
> I'm offline & cannot quote it precisely, but it says-- sparks may fly!
>
> |> &
> |> "This is one of the few power connections that can confuse
> |> new builders."
> |
> | Hate to break this to you, but "can confuse new builders" is
> | largely synonymous with "encourage trolls".
>
> I remain unconvinced that DaffyD® is a troll. He's been here before &
> been frustrated before & it hasn't turned him into a troll yet. I
> estimate it will take 8 more years before it does!
>
> |> Therefore, I continue to hunt high/low for you, thanatoid--
> |> & you must be exorcised! I am heating 4 hot coals &
> |> memorizing 14 prayers!
> |
> | Prayers don't work on thanatoids, but I DO want off this earth,
> | so keep up the good work. Why only /4/ hot coals?
>
> They are reusable after they are spit out or come out the other end. No,
> no-- SERIOUSLY...
>
> There might be a way for prayers to work. I can believe a placebo kind
> of effect can happen just by having someone pray over you or care for
> you-- but I'm not qualified to do it! And there are dangers involved.
> Some fakes may really just want your money. Or, you may actually be the
> fake looking for something. I'm not qualified to know! And I've
> forgotten all my prayers, anyhow!
>
> Maybe post your sorry story to a new thread with a warning it may cause
> our hair to fall out, & see what happens. I'm offline, or I'd look for a
> more appropriate site for you. But who can trust anyone?
>
> |>| T R O L L E D!!!!!!!!!
> |>|
> |>| (As if ANY more proof was needed.)
> |
> |> I see no proof that DaffyD® is a troll.
> |
> | Then you should have your various sensory and processing organs
> | checked.
>
> Nah. He has a machine that defies normal measures. After that, anything
> goes.
>
> |> He was coming here
> |> while you still were in the Win95 NG.
> |
> | What does THAT have to do anything? I was a polite pleasant
> | person once too! And I used to shop Safeway for many years! (Not
> | by choice).
>
> Time & familiarity makes a difference.
>
> |> And lots of good
> |> information has been posted to this thread, even if none of
> |> it has worked quite yet.
> |
> | A lot of it /would/ have worked if someone had tried it on an
> | actual computer.
>
> Not necessarily. Regular fixes don't always work. It could be a
> seemingly unrelated part is at fault or that the motherboard has cracked
> as glee said.
>
> |> It does get more/more doubtful
> |> what to do when the first good suggestions don't work.
> |
> | That's one way to put it.
> |
> |> That's when unlikely thoughts like an upside-down power
> |> connector might seem reasonable!
> |
> | Only DaffyD® could shove that connector (it /would/ take force)
> | in the wrong way. IF he had a problem with his floppy in the
> | first place. I tell you, he's a genius troll. You WILL agree,
> | although - apparently - it MAY take 2 more months of this.
> |
> | Yet you guys still pamper him. He must be on his third pack of
> | duck diapers.
>
> I have a friend who shoved in one/two hard drive IDE data cables
> upside-down-- & THOSE definitely are shaped to go in one way! It was a
> horrible bulge! (I was surprised to see all was well when I reversed
> them!)
>
> It could be a variation in the shape of floppy drive plugs made it easy
> for DaffyD®. And it wasn't his idea in the first place, IIRC! It's been
> a week about since he first posted I think. So, he could legitimately
> have reached his 3rd pack of duck diapers-- but I don't know!
>
> | --
> | Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to
> | reality.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> It's a good thing I banished that guy is on my blocked senders list. I
raise my eyebrows at what the duck diapers reference denotes, but I can see
you're on my side so carry on!

Yeah, it has been since the W95 days, hasn't yet. Your typing doesn't seem
to have aged a bit.

And, fyi, I confirmed with the computer shop the right away to plug in the
power connector, and I did it correctly the first time. I think all of the
ideas have been exhausted. I may try the old floppy again and also re-plug
in the power supply. I'll let you know.
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Floppy Disk Question Follow Up

DaffyD® wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uku8z$VWIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

....snip
| It's a good thing I banished that guy is on my blocked senders list.
| I
| raise my eyebrows at what the duck diapers reference denotes, but I
| can see you're on my side so carry on!
|
| Yeah, it has been since the W95 days, hasn't yet. Your typing doesn't
| seem to have aged a bit.

I never doubted you or counted duck diapers. Don't worry, I'll take of
thanatoid. I'm not sure he can even count, anyhow!

|
| And, fyi, I confirmed with the computer shop the right away to plug
| in the power connector, and I did it correctly the first time. I
| think all of the ideas have been exhausted. I may try the old floppy
| again and also re-plug in the power supply. I'll let you know.

Agreed. Keep us informed. When all the regular solutions have all been
tried thrice & failed four times each, it could be almost anything at
fault. And hopefully nothing has gotten even worse by then!


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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