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Charlie Russel - MVP
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Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly
Take a look at one of the _good_ cooling heat sinks for CPUs. I like the
ArcticCool ones, but those from Noctua, Scythe and others are well thought
of too. (And I don't agree about 120mm v. 80mm fans - the 120's can move
slower and still move the same amount of air, if they have speed control.)
What you need to do is get the heat away from that CPU - it tends to be a
really hot CPU under the best of circumstances, and with an iffy case and
limited fans, you really aren't giving it a chance.
It's also true that more fans isn't necessarily the answer. What matters is
the amount of airflow through the CPU heatsink, and the number and
effectiveness of the fins on that heatsink to pull the heat away. A really
good case can make a difference of 20 degrees C. with no other changes at
all. (This I know from personal experience, with a server I built that
didn't have a decent case. Took me a while to figure out what was happening,
but when I changed it out for an Antec P120, I dropped from the high-50's at
idle to 30 at idle. And have never been over 40 since. )
--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...
>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an
>idiot,
> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate
> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed
> than
> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been
> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!
> THAT'S
> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS
> MONTH!
> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will
> accomodate
> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread
> in
> a couple of days.
> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:
>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm
>>
>> A link with explanations:
>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/
>>
>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:
>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html
>>
>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...
>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get
>> > the
>> > fans
>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's
>> > just
>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about
>> > cases
>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't
>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.
>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing
>> > shutdowns?
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case
>> >> fans
>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is
>> >> even
>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.
>> >>
>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...
>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS
>> >> > heat.
>> >> > would
>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I
>> >> > didn't
>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another
>> >> > PC
>> >> > that
>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common
>> >> > between
>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same
>> >> > internet
>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,
>> >> > and
>> >> > don't
>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to
>> >> > say
>> >> > is
>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,
>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in
>> >> > one
>> >> > of
>> >> > my
>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have
>> >> > researched
>> >> > this...
>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,
>> >> >
>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> have?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> message
>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip
>> >> >> >> > just
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't
>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They
>> >> >> >> > are:
>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,
>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I
>> >> >> >> > thought
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but
>> >> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> >> > still
>> >> >> >> > open
>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run
>> >> >> >> > weekend
>> >> >> >> > stress
>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much
>> >> >> >> > computer
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > what
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first
>> >> >> >> > build.
>> >> >> >> > Power
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was
>> >> >> >> > trying
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > run
>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did
>> >> >> >> > NOT
>> >> >> >> > go
>> >> >> >> > well.
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it
>> >> >> >> > helped,
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input
>> >> >> >> > guys,
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm
>> >> >> >> > technically
>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > phone
>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it
should be 50-60
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
Take a look at one of the _good_ cooling heat sinks for CPUs. I like the
ArcticCool ones, but those from Noctua, Scythe and others are well thought
of too. (And I don't agree about 120mm v. 80mm fans - the 120's can move
slower and still move the same amount of air, if they have speed control.)
What you need to do is get the heat away from that CPU - it tends to be a
really hot CPU under the best of circumstances, and with an iffy case and
limited fans, you really aren't giving it a chance.
It's also true that more fans isn't necessarily the answer. What matters is
the amount of airflow through the CPU heatsink, and the number and
effectiveness of the fins on that heatsink to pull the heat away. A really
good case can make a difference of 20 degrees C. with no other changes at
all. (This I know from personal experience, with a server I built that
didn't have a decent case. Took me a while to figure out what was happening,
but when I changed it out for an Antec P120, I dropped from the high-50's at
idle to 30 at idle. And have never been over 40 since. )
--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...
>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an
>idiot,
> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate
> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed
> than
> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been
> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!
> THAT'S
> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS
> MONTH!
> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will
> accomodate
> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread
> in
> a couple of days.
> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:
>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm
>>
>> A link with explanations:
>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/
>>
>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:
>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html
>>
>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...
>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get
>> > the
>> > fans
>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's
>> > just
>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about
>> > cases
>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't
>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.
>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing
>> > shutdowns?
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case
>> >> fans
>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is
>> >> even
>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.
>> >>
>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...
>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS
>> >> > heat.
>> >> > would
>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I
>> >> > didn't
>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another
>> >> > PC
>> >> > that
>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common
>> >> > between
>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same
>> >> > internet
>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,
>> >> > and
>> >> > don't
>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to
>> >> > say
>> >> > is
>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,
>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in
>> >> > one
>> >> > of
>> >> > my
>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have
>> >> > researched
>> >> > this...
>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,
>> >> >
>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> have?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> message
>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip
>> >> >> >> > just
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't
>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They
>> >> >> >> > are:
>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,
>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I
>> >> >> >> > thought
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but
>> >> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> >> > still
>> >> >> >> > open
>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run
>> >> >> >> > weekend
>> >> >> >> > stress
>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much
>> >> >> >> > computer
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > what
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first
>> >> >> >> > build.
>> >> >> >> > Power
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was
>> >> >> >> > trying
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > run
>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did
>> >> >> >> > NOT
>> >> >> >> > go
>> >> >> >> > well.
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it
>> >> >> >> > helped,
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input
>> >> >> >> > guys,
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm
>> >> >> >> > technically
>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > phone
>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it
should be 50-60>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>