Windows Vista Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:02:40 -0500, Linonut wrote:

> * Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> But Roy that's not a fair comment is it? All the respondees are saying is
>> that yet another Linux distro has turned out to be unable to perform
>> properly on yet another cut-down budget laptop. The problem may reside with
>> Lenovo and or, more than likely, with the Linux o/s, as is usually the case.
>
> Actually, H, I find it is usually vendors that screw the pooch with
> Linux.
>
> The big case in point giving me headaches right now is Intel's iwlwifi
> driver. It may be more "open" than iwp3645 (sp?), but they sure broke
> something in the transition.
>
>> Rather than an "act" by some M$ shill agents, it appears to be a genuine
>> response from people concerned at the results of including yet another
>> dysfunctional Linux distro amidst bogus claims of "Linux is the future" and
>> "Everyone's switching to Linux" from a number of devotees of the Linux cult
>> religion for the halfwitted.
>
> I gather you don't work at a university, laboratory, server center, or
> software house, then.
>
> By the way, the number of half-witted Linux devotees is to the number of
> Linux devotees as the number of half-witted Windows devotees is to the
> number of Windows devotees.

Explain to me how the hell a major manufacturer can release a laptop with
such basic features as these NOT WORKING WITH LINUX?

he first part of the document covered ´features not supported.¡ Some of
those features are:

* ThinkVantage Active Protection System.
* ThinkVantage Access Connections for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Configuration for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Power Manager for SUSE Linux
* Wireless WAN Adapter
* ThinkVantage Button
* (Intel Graphics System) DVI Output


http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Laptop-and-Leaves-Lots-of-Questions/

http://tinyurl.com/3xqugg

These same features work perfectly with Windows....

Explain that one.

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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:32:47 -0000, Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:

> Gomez Adams wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> That's what happens when hardware and Linux is matched together by
>> people who do not know anything but the M$ products.
>> Linux (when properly configured) works very well on laptops.
>> It runs wireless, cameras, audio, etc and it has better memory
>> management (in opposite to Vsta crap).
>>
>> The problem is rather on vendor side.
>> Laptop maker do not treat seriously Linux and force us to buy
>> machines with preloaded Vista garbage.
>>
>> Robert
>
> It's ironic that your name is Gomez and you're posting with all the
> intellect of Jason Gomez aka Syphillis Syndrone: The point here is that a
> new machine with a preinstalled Linux distro has compatibility issues
> between its o/s and its hardware. It may well be that you know deep down
> that it is once again the fault of the Linux distro as is usually the case,
> and hence you are seeking to change the topic to a
> "Let's-slag-off-Microshaft" free-for-all rather than confront the
> substandard nature of Linux as an overall situation.

Linux users and zealots love to blame everything under the sun but their
beloved Linux.

With them, it's always the other person/hardware/company's fault and it's
never Linux.

Could you imagine buying one of those laptops, taking it home and finding
out that half the features don't work with Linux?

Can you say PISSED OFF CUSTOMER!!

And this isn't some fly by night manufacturer, it is the 4th LARGEST PC
hardware manufacturer in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo_Group

IOW it's not like "Basement Bobby" the Linux guru is selling these things.



>>
>>
>> gkline1967@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 19, 9:37 pm, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Lapto...
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ajjy8
>>>>
>>>> "Seeing that XEN was preinstalled got our interest. What a great
>>>> idea--deliver the system with virtualization already in place. Our
>>>> amazement at such an insightful idea quickly waned once we tried to
>>>> use the XEN boot option and were rewarded with an Error 15: File
>>>> Not Found. We tried to resolve the problem using instructions from
>>>> SUSE, a control panel installer and a few other tricks, but we came
>>>> up empty." Don't they test these things before they let them out of the
>>>> dumpster? " After the initial boot and logon, we were faced with a
>>>> clean,
>>>> well-organized desktop, but one element caught our eye right
>>>> away--a text document called ThinkPad Readme.txt. We launched it
>>>> and found that the document's first line was "Limitations,
>>>> Workarounds and How To's for SLED10." We did not like the sound of
>>>> that "limitations" element. After all, isn't Linux supposed to be
>>>> about overcoming limitations? " Welcome to Linux!!
>>>> Linux users are used to living without advanced features!
>>>> They are used to it!!
>>>>
>>>> Here are the features that the purchaser of this Linux Thinkpad
>>>> will live without:
>>>>
>>>> " The first part of the document covered "features not supported."
>>>> Some of those features are:
>>>>
>>>> * ThinkVantage Active Protection System.
>>>> * ThinkVantage Access Connections for SUSE Linux
>>>> * ThinkPad Configuration for SUSE Linux
>>>> * ThinkPad Power Manager for SUSE Linux
>>>> * Wireless WAN Adapter
>>>> * ThinkVantage Button
>>>> * (Intel Graphics System) DVI Output "
>>>>
>>>> " From our point of view, Lenovo was not off to a good start. The
>>>> company announced back in August that Linux would be available on
>>>> some of its notebook systems by the end of last year. But the
>>>> launch of the Linux-powered notebooks didn't occur until this year;
>>>> surely that should have been enough time to get those features
>>>> working. Nothing upsets customers more than purchasing an item and
>>>> then not being able to use all the features they paid for, so VARs
>>>> beware. " This is HYSTERICAL!!!
>>>>
>>>> Can you see the face on the idiot that buys this Linux loaded POS?
>>>> Hey, how come none of the features I paid for works with Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Lenovo, just like Dell, has NO REAL INTEREST IN LINUX.
>>>> This piece of crap Linux pre-loaded laptop proves that.
>>>>
>>>> Gee Roy Schestowtiz, how come you missed this one?
>>>> Hahahahaha!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
>>>> Please visit The Hall of Linux
>>>> Idiots:http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Thank you Moshe for taking the time to warn us about this substandard
>>> laptop. You have saved me some aggravation.
>>> I was planning on ordering a laptop with Linux as the operating
>>> system but after reading about this Lenovo model I am now
>>> reconsidering. The way I see it if Lenovo which I believe is part of
>>> IBM cannot make Linux function correctly on their products what
>>> chance does a company like Dell have?
>>> I have now decided to just go with a Vista based laptop and if Linux
>>> someday is able to utilize the hardware features that my laptop has I
>>> might reconsider Linux. For now, Linux looks like a big loser.


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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:49:37 -0800, DanS wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:rjt2ybczpwny$.w3skw75f3ef9$.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>>
>> http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Laptop-
>> and-Leaves-Lots-of-Questions/
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ajjy8
>>
>> "Seeing that XEN was preinstalled got our interest. What a great
>> idea¡Xdeliver the system with virtualization already in place. Our
>> amazement at such an insightful idea quickly waned once we tried to
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Soooooooooo......it's OK for OEMs to ship borked Vista installations, but
> not Linux installs ?
>
> Just as all your sockpuppets place the blame for OEM Vista installs on the
> OEM, don't you think the same goes for OEM Linux installs ?
>
> Oh wait, that's only logical. Nevermind.

That's the Linux way!!
NEVER BLAME LINUX !!

It is ALWAYS some other reason why Linux doesn't work.

If you discuss one of these threads long enough, the Linux Zealot will
eventually end up saying something like :

"Linux is the kernel"
Everything else is not Linux's fault.

Which is kind of like the 5 year old crying uncle when the class bully has
him pinned to the ground.


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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:03:39 -0500, Linonut wrote:

> * Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:rjt2ybczpwny$.w3skw75f3ef9$.dlg@40tude.net:
>>>
>>> Oh wait, that's only logical. Nevermind.
>>
>> Yes you were warned on previous occasions about posting logic to Linux
>> groups: It confuses the readers.
>
> Unfortunately, you guys are confusing insult with logic.

So says Roy Schestowitz's number one shill.
Tell me, when someone tickles your feet does Roy Schestowitz laugh?

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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in
news:185uyc6r8hrw7$.d037jcmve9he.dlg@40tude.net:

<SNIP>

>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> Soooooooooo......it's OK for OEMs to ship borked Vista installations,
>> but not Linux installs ?
>>
>> Just as all your sockpuppets place the blame for OEM Vista installs
>> on the OEM, don't you think the same goes for OEM Linux installs ?
>>
>> Oh wait, that's only logical. Nevermind.
>
> That's the Linux way!!
> NEVER BLAME LINUX !!
>
> It is ALWAYS some other reason why Linux doesn't work.

But, are you forgetting that is the MS way too ?

'There is nothing wrong with Vista, it's the 3rd party drivers...your
hardware is too old...the OEMs install all their crapware....your s/w
isn't 'Vista compliant'....you did an upgrade instead of a clean
install...etc.

Everyplace you say 'Linux' can be replaced with 'Vista' and it still
makes perfect sense.

Sorry. Try again.
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:

> Yes you were warned on previous occasions about posting logic to Linux
> groups: It confuses the readers.

Clarification:

Yes you were warned on previous occasions about posting logic to Linux
groups: It confuses the <WinTroll> readers.

So when is this Wintroll exercise in "logic posting" supposedly going to
happen? It'll be a huge event and I want to get a front row seat. I'll try
not to laugh too much.

--
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"There's a story there...somewhere"
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:22:27 +0100, KUTLOZE SCHEEFGEPOEPTE wrote:

> "High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> schreef in bericht
> news:fphi32$qt7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:
>>> Gomez Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's what happens when hardware and Linux is matched
>>>> together by people who do not know anything but the M$
>>>> products. Linux (when properly configured) works very well
>>>> on laptops. It runs wireless, cameras, audio, etc and it has
>>>> better memory management (in opposite to Vsta crap).
>>>>
>>>> The problem is rather on vendor side. Laptop maker do not
>>>> treat seriously Linux and force us to buy machines with
>>>> preloaded Vista garbage.
>>>
>>> It's ironic that your name is Gomez and you're posting with
>>> all the intellect of Jason Gomez aka Syphillis Syndrone:
>
> http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.ftpsearch.com/msg/66d055e63caeefb9?dmode=source&output=gplain
> Synapse Syndrome (aka Syphilis Syndrone - courtesy of Andy, aka #!) is the
> former Clown Prince of Retards and was concieved by gregh having an asexual
> relationship with his own anus. SS has only recently been annointed Queen of
> Retards after coming out of the closet and making his homosexuality a public
> talking point. He once said that he had a girlfriend. The group concluded
> that his girlfriend's name was Kevin.


That sounds more like Roy Schestowitz who is married to Mark Kent!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/471abd2d6d85fdb6




>>
>> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
>>
>>
>> Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
>>
>> If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
>> troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
>> nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
>> name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
>> homosexuals.
>>
Click to expand...
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> --
>> HPT
>
> 高い平野のサンパー <highplainsthumper@linuxmail.org>
> HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
> = an idiot!

HPT is not one of the more intelligent LinoTrolls.


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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:14:24 +0100, KUTLOZE SCHEEFGEPOEPTE wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:1xdtq8jd8c9g6.6qxjjg7edlox$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:22:27 +0100, KUTLOZE SCHEEFGEPOEPTE wrote:
>>
>>> "High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> schreef in
>>> bericht
>>> news:fphi32$qt7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:
>>>>> Gomez Adams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what happens when hardware and Linux is matched
>>>>>> together by people who do not know anything but the M$
>>>>>> products. Linux (when properly configured) works very well
>>>>>> on laptops. It runs wireless, cameras, audio, etc and it has
>>>>>> better memory management (in opposite to Vsta crap).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is rather on vendor side. Laptop maker do not
>>>>>> treat seriously Linux and force us to buy machines with
>>>>>> preloaded Vista garbage.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's ironic that your name is Gomez and you're posting with
>>>>> all the intellect of Jason Gomez aka Syphillis Syndrone:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.ftpsearch.com/msg/66d055e63caeefb9?dmode=source&output=gplain
>>> Synapse Syndrome (aka Syphilis Syndrone - courtesy of Andy, aka #!) is
>>> the
>>> former Clown Prince of Retards and was concieved by gregh having an
>>> asexual
>>> relationship with his own anus. SS has only recently been annointed Queen
>>> of
>>> Retards after coming out of the closet and making his homosexuality a
>>> public
>>> talking point. He once said that he had a girlfriend. The group concluded
>>> that his girlfriend's name was Kevin.
>>
>>
>> That sounds more like Roy Schestowitz who is married to Mark Kent!
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/471abd2d6d85fdb6
>
> There is a similarity, I bet Roy is running around in green tights, just
> like SS did, to please Mark.
> http://www.2atoms.com/images/comedy/worstoftheweb/peter_lg.jpg

Hahaha!
That's hysterical!




>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
>>>>
>>>> If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
>>>> troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
>>>> nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
>>>> name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
>>>> homosexuals.
>>>>
Click to expand...
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> HPT
>>>
>>> 高い平野のサンパー <highplainsthumper@linuxmail.org>
>>> HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
>>> = an idiot!
>>
>> HPT is not one of the more intelligent LinoTrolls.
>
> HPT, Marti and 7 have to prepare for a Retards Roundup!

The corral is open!

Last one in is a......

RETARD!!!



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Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This isgetting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This isgetting hysteruical....

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:11:42 +0000, Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:

> Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>
>> The truth is that Linux is an excellent desktop OS, and it keeps
>> getting better in steady increments, whereas Windows keeps getting
>> replaced with a completely new version.
>
> That's not actually correct; Windows gets replaced with an upgraded
> version each time; though the upgrades made to Windows before the
> release of a new o/s are pretty radical, and, as in the case of Vista;
> don't always work properly initially.

MS made a lot of noise about how Vista was scratch-built... and indeed it
appears to have all the bugs and problems of a new OS.
>
>> I understand why Microsoft
>> does this -- they need to keep selling new licenses to keep the
>> shareholders happy. But the value to the customer is dubious.
>
> M$ do release new Windows versions too quickly IMO: As was the case with
> Vista; they set a target and rush at the last minute to meet it, at the
> same time sacrificing functionality and performance of their new product
> for functionality and performance of the company with regard to their
> self-imposed schedule.
>
>>Any
>> PC made in the past 5 years is a powerful machine,
>
> I disagree; I think the figure is more like 2 years.

It really depends on what you're doing.
>
>> and most users
>> don't benefit from upgrades as much as they once did.
>
> Whilst that is true in many regards with operating system/software
> upgrades; hardware upgrades in many instances can bring huge performance
> benefits.

Again, it all depends on what you're doing. The person who mainly uses a
computer for Internet access and office tasks won't see much improvement
with a HWi upgrade.
>
>> I think we're
>> near the end of the era where people will continue to shell out for a
>> new box with a the latest version of Windows whenever Microsoft decides
>> it's time for everyone to upgrade.
>>
> It appears that Vista was the herald of an albeit
> not-as-beneficial-as-M$-would-have-liked software-led technological
> leap. users were virtually forced to upgrade or renew their machines in
> order to be able to keep up: However I feel that this was possibly a
> one-off ocurrence rather than a trend.

It is a pattern that MS would like to extend indefinitely. Look back
over the past two decades. For many years, frequent hardware/software
upgrades brought massive improvements in system performance and ease of
use... DOS to Win3x, Win3x to Win95, Win95 to Win98 and then to 2k/XP.

But the leap from XP to Vista is of dubious value. What can a user do
with a computer running Vista that wasn't possible (and just as easy if
not easier) under XP?

Similarly, what is the benefit of running a new dual-core CPU as opposed
to a 1.5ghz Pentium from a few years back? It matters if you are
rendering video or playing the latest games... but most people aren't
doing that.
>
> As a small computer builder / retailer I continue to build machines
> equipped for both XP and Vista. Personally I much prefer XP and am
> convinced that there are so many bugs to iron out with Vista that it
> will take a considerable amount of time in order for this to happen;
> possibly up until the release of Windows Seven; thus relegating Vista to
> the historical ranking of a second "Windows ME".

I wonder what Windows 7 will be like... will it be even bigger and more
resource-hungry than Vista? And will it come with a EULA in which the
consumer is understood not to have actually bought anything, but merely
to have acquired a lease to software that must remain tethered to a
license server for as long as it is used?

> I have run Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon and am rather impressed at the design of
> it all; although less than happy with its overall functionality.
> Although it ran in RAM direct from the CD the automated install crashed
> repaetedly when I tried to install it as a dual boot alongside XP on a
> computer running a single-core Athlon 64 on a Shuttle motherboard with
> 2GB DDR2 RAM plus a 512MB Asus graphics card.

Hmmm. That's too bad. I hope your experience with Linux improves.

Charlie
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Charlie Wilkes wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:11:42 +0000, Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:
>
>> Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>
>>> The truth is that Linux is an excellent desktop OS, and it keeps
>>> getting better in steady increments, whereas Windows keeps getting
>>> replaced with a completely new version.
>>
>> That's not actually correct; Windows gets replaced with an upgraded
>> version each time; though the upgrades made to Windows before the
>> release of a new o/s are pretty radical, and, as in the case of
>> Vista; don't always work properly initially.
>
> MS made a lot of noise about how Vista was scratch-built... and
> indeed it appears to have all the bugs and problems of a new OS.

I think they scratched rather badly with it; and it seems they're still
scratching their heads on how to make it work properly.
>>
>>> I understand why Microsoft
>>> does this -- they need to keep selling new licenses to keep the
>>> shareholders happy. But the value to the customer is dubious.
>>
>> M$ do release new Windows versions too quickly IMO: As was the case
>> with Vista; they set a target and rush at the last minute to meet
>> it, at the same time sacrificing functionality and performance of
>> their new product for functionality and performance of the company
>> with regard to their self-imposed schedule.
>>
>>> Any
>>> PC made in the past 5 years is a powerful machine,
>>
>> I disagree; I think the figure is more like 2 years.
>
> It really depends on what you're doing.

If you're running most Linux distros any machine from a 286 up will suffice.
That's a good thing in that it recycles hardware; but a lousy thing in that
old computers heat the room better than actually computing.
>>
>>> and most users
>>> don't benefit from upgrades as much as they once did.
>>
>> Whilst that is true in many regards with operating system/software
>> upgrades; hardware upgrades in many instances can bring huge
>> performance benefits.
>
> Again, it all depends on what you're doing. The person who mainly
> uses a computer for Internet access and office tasks won't see much
> improvement with a HWi upgrade.

Agreed; and here's my plug for kustomkomputa.co.uk: We build individual
machines for customers to use, rather than mass-produce them to sit on
shelves and be bought by people who might never use even half of their
capability - So not only does the customer get what they want but the cost
is also more like what they want to pay. They *are* all high-quality
utilising some of the best components; but why sell a person a nuclear bomb
for a small fortune when they only want a cheap flashbulb?
>>
>>> I think we're
>>> near the end of the era where people will continue to shell out for
>>> a new box with a the latest version of Windows whenever Microsoft
>>> decides it's time for everyone to upgrade.
>>>
>> It appears that Vista was the herald of an albeit
>> not-as-beneficial-as-M$-would-have-liked software-led technological
>> leap. users were virtually forced to upgrade or renew their machines
>> in order to be able to keep up: However I feel that this was
>> possibly a one-off ocurrence rather than a trend.
>
> It is a pattern that MS would like to extend indefinitely. Look back
> over the past two decades. For many years, frequent hardware/software
> upgrades brought massive improvements in system performance and ease
> of use... DOS to Win3x, Win3x to Win95, Win95 to Win98 and then to
> 2k/XP.
>
> But the leap from XP to Vista is of dubious value. What can a user do
> with a computer running Vista that wasn't possible (and just as easy
> if not easier) under XP?

Agreed; most of the security enhancements in Vista are overhyped and
outdated already in a way. Vista *is* more advanced than XP in a few ways;
but most of it could have been accomplished with a decent (And fairly huge.)
SP3 for XP without the need for major hardware upgrades. The greatest thing
with Vista IMO is its support for Direct X 10 which utilises a number of
conjoined pixel/texel rendering streams to provide much greater clarity and
resolution; but there are still pitifully few graphical renderings of games
or anything else to utilise DX10 to this day.
>
> Similarly, what is the benefit of running a new dual-core CPU as
> opposed to a 1.5ghz Pentium from a few years back? It matters if you
> are rendering video or playing the latest games... but most people
> aren't doing that.

I like multi-core CPUs: I have 2 main comps; 1 with an Athlon 64 single-core
that I use mainly for watching web video only, as well as a stand-in in case
the other one running a dual-core Athlon 64x2 goes tits-up.(I just installed
XP SP3 RC2 on both of them and will be monitoring for performance.) The
versatility and multithreading of the dual-core far exceeds anything
available from the single-core though.
>>
>> As a small computer builder / retailer I continue to build machines
>> equipped for both XP and Vista. Personally I much prefer XP and am
>> convinced that there are so many bugs to iron out with Vista that it
>> will take a considerable amount of time in order for this to happen;
>> possibly up until the release of Windows Seven; thus relegating
>> Vista to the historical ranking of a second "Windows ME".
>
> I wonder what Windows 7 will be like... will it be even bigger and
> more resource-hungry than Vista?

Reports from M$ indicate that it will run a stripped-down condensed kernal
which will add greater functionality in terms of performance speed; but it
will be backwards-compatible with Vista hardware. M$ are also planning on
incorporating further web-vased features such as Windows Live.

And will it come with a EULA in
> which the consumer is understood not to have actually bought
> anything, but merely to have acquired a lease to software that must
> remain tethered to a license server for as long as it is used?

I wouldn't be at all surprised; unless M$ have learned anything from their
mistakes with Vista.
>
>> I have run Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon and am rather impressed at the design
>> of it all; although less than happy with its overall functionality.
>> Although it ran in RAM direct from the CD the automated install
>> crashed repaetedly when I tried to install it as a dual boot
>> alongside XP on a computer running a single-core Athlon 64 on a
>> Shuttle motherboard with 2GB DDR2 RAM plus a 512MB Asus graphics
>> card.
>
> Hmmm. That's too bad. I hope your experience with Linux improves.
>
I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released. I will try the latest Linux distros,
particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have stored
away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since Gutsy hasn't
there?
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This isgetting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This isgetting hysteruical....

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:45:27 +0000, Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:

> I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released. I will try the latest Linux
> distros, particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I
> have stored away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since
> Gutsy hasn't there?

I don't think so. AFAIK Gutsy (7.10) is the latest version. Hardy Heron
will be released this spring.

I suspect Ubuntu will be uncomfortably sluggish on a Pentium 2. DSL
(Damn Small Linux) might be a better choice for such a machine.

Charlie
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released.

You mean 7 SP1, don't you? <grin>

> I will try the latest Linux distros,
> particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have stored
> away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since Gutsy hasn't
> there?

Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
boot. You might learn some stuff.

--
Whether it's Google or Apple or free software, we've got some fantastic
competitors and it keeps us on our toes.
-- Bill Gates
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Linonut wrote:
> * Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released.
>
> You mean 7 SP1, don't you? <grin>

Oh they let you out already! ;)
>
>> I will try the latest Linux distros,
>> particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have
>> stored away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since
>> Gutsy hasn't there?
>
> Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
> boot. You might learn some stuff.

I tried put Gutsy on my 2.2 gig Athlon64 box as a dual-boot and it crashed
during install and trashed the entire filesystem of both the semi-installed
Linux distro as well as XP. Whilst it was good practice to restore my
filesystem to the enlightened NTFS, I was hoping that the result would be
different.
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

"High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:fphmqb$jra$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> gkline1967@gmail.com wrote:
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Lapto...
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ajjy8
>>>
>>> "Seeing that XEN was preinstalled got our interest. What a
>>> great idea--deliver the system with virtualization already
>>> in place. Our amazement at such an insightful idea quickly
>>> waned once we tried to use the XEN boot option and were
>>> rewarded with an Error 15: File Not Found. We tried to resolve the
>>> problem using instructions from SUSE, a control
>>> panel installer and a few other tricks, but we came up
>>> empty."
>>>
>>> Don't they test these things before they let them out of the
>>> dumpster?
>
> Dumpster?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Linonut wrote:
>> * Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released.
>>
>> You mean 7 SP1, don't you? <grin>
>
> Oh they let you out already! ;)

Ahhh, good one!

>> Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
>> boot. You might learn some stuff.
>
> I tried put Gutsy on my 2.2 gig Athlon64 box as a dual-boot and it crashed
> during install and trashed the entire filesystem of both the semi-installed
> Linux distro as well as XP. Whilst it was good practice to restore my
> filesystem to the enlightened NTFS, I was hoping that the result would be
> different.

That's pretty funny. You might want to check your hardware. There's
forums for people like you.

"entire filesystem of both the semi-installed > Linux distro as well as XP"

That, my friend, is not a normal problem.

--
640K ought to be enough for anybody.
-- Bill Gates
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is gettinghysteruical....

Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is gettinghysteruical....

[cut]
> Linux users and zealots love to blame everything under the sun but their
> beloved Linux.
>
> With them, it's always the other person/hardware/company's fault and it's
> never Linux.
>
> Could you imagine buying one of those laptops, taking it home and finding
> out that half the features don't work with Linux?
>
> Can you say PISSED OFF CUSTOMER!!
>
> And this isn't some fly by night manufacturer, it is the 4th LARGEST PC
> hardware manufacturer in the world.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo_Group
>
> IOW it's not like "Basement Bobby" the Linux guru is selling these things.

It once again proves that this particular case is not a fault of Linux
itself but Lenovo that took irresponsible decision of installing OS with
out properly testing hardware-software compatibility.
Linux out of box will not support all the features in laptop with out
spending some time on configuring - the same issue we can observe with
Windows$.

GA.
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:21:56 -0000, Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:

> Linonut wrote:
>> * Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released.
>>
>> You mean 7 SP1, don't you? <grin>
>
> Oh they let you out already! ;)
>>
>>> I will try the latest Linux distros,
>>> particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have
>>> stored away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since
>>> Gutsy hasn't there?
>>
>> Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
>> boot. You might learn some stuff.
>
> I tried put Gutsy on my 2.2 gig Athlon64 box as a dual-boot and it crashed
> during install and trashed the entire filesystem of both the semi-installed
> Linux distro as well as XP. Whilst it was good practice to restore my
> filesystem to the enlightened NTFS, I was hoping that the result would be
> different.

Welcome to Linux....

And you know something?
The Linux zealots will deny this happens, but real people know it happens
all the time.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:26:21 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>> ____/ RonB on Wednesday 20 February 2008 08:05 : \____
>>
>>> gkline1967@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Moshe for taking the time to warn us about this substandard
>>>> laptop. You have saved me some aggravation.
>>>
>>> Yes, indeed, Moshe, thank you, oh so much. I am not a sockpuppet... I am a
>>> real poster who just happened to enter COLA at the exact right time to be
>>> saved from a major mistake I was about to make. If this sounds like idiot
>>> dialogue I guess it's because I'm an idiot. I would never spread M$ FUD.
>>> Trust me, I'm the... how you say? -- real McCoy.
>>
>> For those who watch this, there is a coordinated act here between several
>> posters who are Microsoft agents/shills/PR people who put up a little show,
>> trying to scare the reader and add their bit of fear, uncertainty and doubt.
>> Some of these posters are possibly the same person (a sockpuppet show). To
>> show you that this phenomenon has a long history, examples of some recent
>> incidents are appended at the bottom.
>>
>> If you spot a threat that is crossposted to several newsgroups as in this case,
>> assume it is a net k00k seeking to disrupt USENET.
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Examples of Microsoft AstroTurfing:
>>
>
> <snip>
>
> Excellent idea Roy, challenge cross-posting with the evidence.

Ok, let's start here:

Subject says:
Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting
hysterical....

Facts, backed up by a credible source say:

http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Laptop-and-Leaves-Lots-of-Questions/

"The first part of the document covered ¡§features not supported.¡¨ Some of
those features are:

* ThinkVantage Active Protection System.
* ThinkVantage Access Connections for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Configuration for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Power Manager for SUSE Linux
* Wireless WAN Adapter
* ThinkVantage Button
* (Intel Graphics System) DVI Output"

" Seeing that XEN was preinstalled got our interest. What a great
idea¡Xdeliver the system with virtualization already in place. Our amazement
at such an insightful idea quickly waned once we tried to use the XEN boot
option and were rewarded with an Error 15: File Not Found. We tried to
resolve the problem using instructions from SUSE, a control panel installer
and a few other tricks, but we came up empty."






--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
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