Windows Vista Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

* Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:

> In article <pan.2008.02.25.04.18.11@users.easynews.com>,
> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote:
>> > Asus is releasing a Windows version shortly.
>>
>> Bah. Where do you get this information? What version of Windows fits on
>> a 4gb flash drive? And what is the payoff?
>
> Well, the fact that Asus sells a Windows version right now in Japan, and
> has stated that they will release it in the US, are some big clues.
>
> XP easily fits on a 4 gig system.

Easily? In the sense of being able to install MS Office or some games,
and then handle a half-gig of data?

Or just Visual Studio .NET by itself, along with a few of your projects?

Nah.

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business.
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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:18:21 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:28:54 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:35:07 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>
>>> Just one cycle back in this thread you agreed the Eee PC is a nice
>>> machine.
>>
>> It is.
>> Most people are wiping Linux and installing Windows on it though and
>> Asus is releasing a Windows version shortly.
>
> Bah. Where do you get this information? What version of Windows fits on
> a 4gb flash drive? And what is the payoff?
>
> Charlie

It's all over the net.
Open your mind and you might find it.

http://www.mahalo.com/Installing_Windows_XP_on_Asus_Eee_PC

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html

and so forth....

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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:37 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:14:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:28:54 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:35:07 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just one cycle back in this thread you agreed the Eee PC is a nice
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is.
>>>>> Most people are wiping Linux and installing Windows on it though and
>>>>> Asus is releasing a Windows version shortly.
>>>>
>>>> Bah. Where do you get this information? What version of Windows fits
>>>> on a 4gb flash drive? And what is the payoff?
>>>
>>> You should stop listening to COLA posters. And learn where google is.
>>> And as for the last part of your sentence, if you don't know or can not
>>> guess why people would put Windows on it then you're in the right place
>>> :-;
>>
>> Think about it. What are people going to use this thing for? They will
>> take it on the road to browse the web, send/receive email, etc. I use
>> Linux and XP both, and for that stuff, one is the same as the other.
>
> To an extent I agree. But people want Windows. They want to be able to
> sync their phone and pda - all of which is painful if not downright
> impossible on Linux.
>
>>
>> People need Windows for particular software packages, the kind no one
>> would use on a machine like this anyway. Not too many people will make a
>> DVD of their kid's birthday party with a 900mhz CPU.
>
> You think there are no "low power" apps which people use and would use
> on this pc? Wrong. Sorry. People ARE installing XP on it. People DO want
> XP on it. I don't necessarily agree but others seem to want it,
>
>>
>> The Eee PC is a cool idea that isn't fully mature yet. I have read some
>> reviews, and I can see room for improving the interface. But Windows
>> will just add to costs and limit the ability of the developers to tweak
>> the OS for that particular platform.
>
> People dont care about tweaking the OS. They want the apps they are used
> to.
>
>>
>> BUT, having said all that, from a user's POV, extending XP's lifespan is
>> probably the next best thing to developing Linux as a Windows alternative.
>
> Agreed.

Exactly....

I agree that these machines are designed for web browsing, lite office
work, on the road kind of stuff but people want Windows.
They don't want Linux.


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Moshe Goldfarb
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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

In article <pan.2008.02.25.11.04.33@users.easynews.com>,
Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote:
> > Well, the fact that Asus sells a Windows version right now in Japan, and
> > has stated that they will release it in the US, are some big clues.
> >
> > XP easily fits on a 4 gig system.
> >
> Sure... get rid of the hibernation file, minimize restore points, make
> sure you delete all the crap generated by Windows update... it can be
> made to work with a bit of effort. Or you can run a Linux distro

Nonsense. I checked my XP SP2 machine that I use for testing, and it is
using under 2 gig for Windows. I put no special effort into making it
small.

--
--Tim Smith
 
Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes?A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes?A Pattern Is Developing......

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:18:21 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:28:54 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:35:07 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>> Just one cycle back in this thread you agreed the Eee PC is a nice
>>>> machine.
>>> It is.
>>> Most people are wiping Linux and installing Windows on it though and
>>> Asus is releasing a Windows version shortly.
>> Bah. Where do you get this information? What version of Windows fits on
>> a 4gb flash drive? And what is the payoff?
>>
>> Charlie
>
> It's all over the net.
> Open your mind and you might find it.
>
> http://www.mahalo.com/Installing_Windows_XP_on_Asus_Eee_PC
>
> http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html
>
> and so forth....
>
Did you actually read the procedure? It might be a bit daunting for a
windows user used to point and click. Also, considering the original
cost of the unit and then adding in the cost of xp, one might as well
buy a low end laptop from best buy. I just find it highly doubtful that
it is "most people" wiping linux and installing xp. ymmv.

--
norm
 
Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

norm wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:18:21 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:28:54 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:35:07 GMT, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>>> Just one cycle back in this thread you agreed the Eee PC is a nice
>>>>> machine.
>>>> It is.
>>>> Most people are wiping Linux and installing Windows on it though and
>>>> Asus is releasing a Windows version shortly.
>>> Bah. Where do you get this information? What version of Windows fits
>>> on
>>> a 4gb flash drive? And what is the payoff?
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>
>> It's all over the net.
>> Open your mind and you might find it.
>>
>> http://www.mahalo.com/Installing_Windows_XP_on_Asus_Eee_PC
>>
>>
http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html
>>
>> and so forth....
>>
> Did you actually read the procedure? It might be a bit daunting for a
> windows user used to point and click. Also, considering the original
> cost of the unit and then adding in the cost of xp, one might as well
> buy a low end laptop from best buy. I just find it highly doubtful that
> it is "most people" wiping linux and installing xp. ymmv.
>
All my friends that have laptops have done just the opposite. They've wiped
Windoze off and installed Linux. That isn't a big sampling of course, but I
would find it hard to believe that there would be that many people running
the EeePC who'd want to do anything with it, other than installing a
different Linux distro on it, then the one that it comes with. Even those
folks running the old Jornada 720's are putting Linux on them and that is
certainly the distant prelude to the EeePC. :-)

Cheers.

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A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

* norm peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> http://www.mahalo.com/Installing_Windows_XP_on_Asus_Eee_PC
>>
>> and so forth....
>>
> Did you actually read the procedure? It might be a bit daunting for a
> windows user used to point and click. Also, considering the original
> cost of the unit and then adding in the cost of xp, one might as well
> buy a low end laptop from best buy. I just find it highly doubtful that
> it is "most people" wiping linux and installing xp. ymmv.

Not on the Eee PC. Some have done it; Tom Shelton here saw one.

I wouldn't waste my time on installing XP on it.

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Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? APattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? APattern Is Developing......

On Feb 25, 4:32 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2008.02.25.11.04...@users.easynews.com>,
> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, the fact that Asus sells a Windows version right now in Japan, and
> > > has stated that they will release it in the US, are some big clues.
>
> > > XP easily fits on a 4 gig system.
>
> > Sure... get rid of the hibernation file, minimize restore points, make
> > sure you delete all the crap generated by Windows update... it can be
> > made to work with a bit of effort. Or you can run a Linux distro
>
> Nonsense. I checked my XP SP2 machine that I use for testing, and it is
> using under 2 gig for Windows. I put no special effort into making it
> small.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith

Are you going just by the size of the windows directory and its
subdirectories, or are you also including your restore points and the
hibernation file if you use one?

I accept that it's possible, but it's enough of a project so I don't
see it as something the average consumer will do because he wets his
pants when he hears the word Linux. I also suspect that use of this
altered machine might present performance and stability issues with
500mb of RAM and < 2gb of drive available for temp files.

Charlie
 
Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

In article
<e245525b-2aa0-4fde-810c-43a3003f30b2@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com wrote:
> Are you going just by the size of the windows directory and its
> subdirectories, or are you also including your restore points and the
> hibernation file if you use one?
>
> I accept that it's possible, but it's enough of a project so I don't
> see it as something the average consumer will do because he wets his
> pants when he hears the word Linux. I also suspect that use of this
> altered machine might present performance and stability issues with
> 500mb of RAM and < 2gb of drive available for temp files.

Installing XP SP2 on a machine with a single 4 GB drive, rebooting once
after install, and then using Internet Explorer to browse a web page (to
make sure that the internet access is working), and then checking the
disk space, shows that 2.12 GB are used.

During the install, I let everything take its default value.

--
--Tim Smith
 
Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

* Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:

> In article
> <e245525b-2aa0-4fde-810c-43a3003f30b2@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com wrote:
>> Are you going just by the size of the windows directory and its
>> subdirectories, or are you also including your restore points and the
>> hibernation file if you use one?
>>
>> I accept that it's possible, but it's enough of a project so I don't
>> see it as something the average consumer will do because he wets his
>> pants when he hears the word Linux. I also suspect that use of this
>> altered machine might present performance and stability issues with
>> 500mb of RAM and < 2gb of drive available for temp files.
>
> Installing XP SP2 on a machine with a single 4 GB drive, rebooting once
> after install, and then using Internet Explorer to browse a web page (to
> make sure that the internet access is working), and then checking the
> disk space, shows that 2.12 GB are used.
>
> During the install, I let everything take its default value.

You might be able to pare down your Visual Studio .NET install to fit,
and have some room for a "Hello World" project, then.

Competition is good!

--
Microsoft has had clear competitors in the past. It's a good thing we have
museums to document that.
-- Bill Gates, Speech at the Computer History Museum, as quoted in InfoWorld
magazine (October 2001)
 
Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Re: Everex Cloudbook...Another Linux Laptop Gone Down the Tubes? A Pattern Is Developing......

Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> writes:

> * Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> In article
>> <e245525b-2aa0-4fde-810c-43a3003f30b2@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com wrote:
>>> Are you going just by the size of the windows directory and its
>>> subdirectories, or are you also including your restore points and the
>>> hibernation file if you use one?
>>>
>>> I accept that it's possible, but it's enough of a project so I don't
>>> see it as something the average consumer will do because he wets his
>>> pants when he hears the word Linux. I also suspect that use of this
>>> altered machine might present performance and stability issues with
>>> 500mb of RAM and < 2gb of drive available for temp files.
>>
>> Installing XP SP2 on a machine with a single 4 GB drive, rebooting once
>> after install, and then using Internet Explorer to browse a web page (to
>> make sure that the internet access is working), and then checking the
>> disk space, shows that 2.12 GB are used.
>>
>> During the install, I let everything take its default value.
>
> You might be able to pare down your Visual Studio .NET install to fit,
> and have some room for a "Hello World" project, then.
>
> Competition is good!

Err, a while ago this was a machine for doing email and browsing the
web. Nice strawman Liarnut.
 
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