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Larry
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Re: Inbox contents simply vanished
> I just do it daily.
Wow. I just never thought of OE as being so vulnerable that this kind of
continual attention and maintenance was required to avoid disasters.
I'll certainly have to do that OE backup regularly. Someone in this thread
mentioned how to do that but I don't see it anymore.
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eDF3HCgkIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> And you pretty much HAVE to remember to do it, if you don't have that
> background compacting option turned on (and ever since the autocompacting
> feature was removed - at least in WinXP SP2).
>
> I just do it daily.
>
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> > Sooner or later, file corruption will hit every OE user. It only makes
> > sense to do what you can to avoid it.
> >
> > The Other E-Mail Threat: File Corruption in Outlook Express:
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
> >
> >> ...I have an extremely active e-mail correspondence,
> >> and that's just not realistic for me.
> >
> > I send well over 100 messages a day using OE, just about every day of
the
> > week. If I can remember to take 2 minutes at the end of every day to
> > empty
> > Sent Items & Deleted Items folders and then compact all folders
> > (ALT+F+F+F),
> > you can, too.
> >
> > If you don't value your message store, keep doing what you've been
> > doing...and don't bother backing-up your message store either. <wink>
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> >
> > Larry wrote:
> >> Thank you everyone.
> >>
> >> I just dragged the file, XXX.dbx, back into the OE folder, launched OE,
> >> did
> >> a file compact on the folder XXX, and it went down from 1.24 MB to 58
KB.
> >> So that settles that.
> >>
> >> As far as OE's vulnerabilty to this kind of disaster is concerned, I've
> >> been
> >> using the same OE program for over nine years and never lost the
contents
> >> of
> >> a folder and never heard of that happening. About a year ago, I began
to
> >> have computer freeze-ups when doing send-receive, and that's when PA
Baer
> >> (I
> >> think it was) gave me the instructions of OE maintenance, which I've
> >> followed pretty regularly since then. But not 100 percent! Not
keeping
> >> the
> >> Inbox completely empty! I have an extremely active e-mail
> >> correspondence,
> >> and that's just not realistic for me.
> >>
> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:uGu5ekakIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>> That reinforces what I thought. That is the file is empty, and the
size
> >>> would not reflect that there is mail in it as the size is not reduced
> >>> until
> >>> you compact.
> >>> --
> >>> Bruce Hagen
> >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
> >>> Imperial Beach, CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:%235VtCHXkIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Hi, sorry I didn't get back sooner.
> >>>>
> >>>> I downloaded OE Reader as recommended, browsed to the Inbox.dbx file
> >>>> (which
> >>>> I had renamed XXX.dbx and placed on the Desktop), and opened it.
> >> Message
> >>>> said:
> >>>>
> >>>> "File does not contain any message."
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet the file's size is 1.24 MB.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go figure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:uyN57AIkIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Try this. It's the successor to MiTec OE view. I use it and it
works
> >>>>> fine for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dbxviewer.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:erUy0yAkIHA.6032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How
did
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>> determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24
MB?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> > 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx
> >> files
> >>>> and
> >>>>> run
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
> >>>>> instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "dadiOH" <someone@fuggetit.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:eGJ5QW$jIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> Larry wrote:
> >>>>>>> Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may
be
> >>>>>>> solvable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or
90
> >>>>>>> MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
> >>>>>>> and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
> >>>>>>> problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
> >>>>>>> since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and
the
> >>>>>>> only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
> >>>>>>> returned.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24
MB?
> >>>>>> ________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
> >>>>>>> received since this morning.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
> >>>>>> determine messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file
that
> >>>>>> has its EOF in the wrong place/
> >>>>>> __________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is what I'd do...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> run it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL
(
> >>>>>> i.e., *.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your
> >>>>>> desktop.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If not successful, forget what follows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary
desktop
> >>>>>> folder and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be
> >>>>>> displayed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 7. Close OE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> dadiOH
>
>
> I just do it daily.
Wow. I just never thought of OE as being so vulnerable that this kind of
continual attention and maintenance was required to avoid disasters.
I'll certainly have to do that OE backup regularly. Someone in this thread
mentioned how to do that but I don't see it anymore.
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eDF3HCgkIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> And you pretty much HAVE to remember to do it, if you don't have that
> background compacting option turned on (and ever since the autocompacting
> feature was removed - at least in WinXP SP2).
>
> I just do it daily.
>
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> > Sooner or later, file corruption will hit every OE user. It only makes
> > sense to do what you can to avoid it.
> >
> > The Other E-Mail Threat: File Corruption in Outlook Express:
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
> >
> >> ...I have an extremely active e-mail correspondence,
> >> and that's just not realistic for me.
> >
> > I send well over 100 messages a day using OE, just about every day of
the
> > week. If I can remember to take 2 minutes at the end of every day to
> > empty
> > Sent Items & Deleted Items folders and then compact all folders
> > (ALT+F+F+F),
> > you can, too.
> >
> > If you don't value your message store, keep doing what you've been
> > doing...and don't bother backing-up your message store either. <wink>
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> >
> > Larry wrote:
> >> Thank you everyone.
> >>
> >> I just dragged the file, XXX.dbx, back into the OE folder, launched OE,
> >> did
> >> a file compact on the folder XXX, and it went down from 1.24 MB to 58
KB.
> >> So that settles that.
> >>
> >> As far as OE's vulnerabilty to this kind of disaster is concerned, I've
> >> been
> >> using the same OE program for over nine years and never lost the
contents
> >> of
> >> a folder and never heard of that happening. About a year ago, I began
to
> >> have computer freeze-ups when doing send-receive, and that's when PA
Baer
> >> (I
> >> think it was) gave me the instructions of OE maintenance, which I've
> >> followed pretty regularly since then. But not 100 percent! Not
keeping
> >> the
> >> Inbox completely empty! I have an extremely active e-mail
> >> correspondence,
> >> and that's just not realistic for me.
> >>
> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:uGu5ekakIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>> That reinforces what I thought. That is the file is empty, and the
size
> >>> would not reflect that there is mail in it as the size is not reduced
> >>> until
> >>> you compact.
> >>> --
> >>> Bruce Hagen
> >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
> >>> Imperial Beach, CA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:%235VtCHXkIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Hi, sorry I didn't get back sooner.
> >>>>
> >>>> I downloaded OE Reader as recommended, browsed to the Inbox.dbx file
> >>>> (which
> >>>> I had renamed XXX.dbx and placed on the Desktop), and opened it.
> >> Message
> >>>> said:
> >>>>
> >>>> "File does not contain any message."
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet the file's size is 1.24 MB.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go figure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:uyN57AIkIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Try this. It's the successor to MiTec OE view. I use it and it
works
> >>>>> fine for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dbxviewer.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:erUy0yAkIHA.6032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How
did
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>> determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24
MB?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> > 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx
> >> files
> >>>> and
> >>>>> run
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
> >>>>> instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "dadiOH" <someone@fuggetit.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:eGJ5QW$jIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> Larry wrote:
> >>>>>>> Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may
be
> >>>>>>> solvable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or
90
> >>>>>>> MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
> >>>>>>> and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
> >>>>>>> problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
> >>>>>>> since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and
the
> >>>>>>> only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
> >>>>>>> returned.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24
MB?
> >>>>>> ________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
> >>>>>>> received since this morning.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
> >>>>>> determine messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file
that
> >>>>>> has its EOF in the wrong place/
> >>>>>> __________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is what I'd do...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> run it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL
(
> >>>>>> i.e., *.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your
> >>>>>> desktop.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If not successful, forget what follows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary
desktop
> >>>>>> folder and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be
> >>>>>> displayed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 7. Close OE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> dadiOH
>
>
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, better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After