Re: Rules of Conduct for this newsgroup
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:01:14 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:22:16 -0700, Donald L McDaniel
><orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Adam!!! Where HAVE you BEEN???
>
>>Perhaps folks should take Microsoft's advice before attempting to
>>upgrade to or install Vista, and make sure their machines are going to
>>be usable with Vista.
>
>You mean like building a new machine from the ground up and seeing
>"Vista certified" on the motherboard box and vendor's web site? Well,
>that's the path I took and I still had/have endless headaches with
>Vista none of which were my fault.
Instead of trusting the OEMs, why not INVESTIGATE them? After all,
THEY are the ones who PRODUCE them, and the ones who write the
DRIVERS.
>>Think about it: If you had troubles installing and running XP on your
>>current hardware, you DEFINITELY will have troubles trying to install
>>and use Vista on the same hardware.
>
>You shouldn't jump to conclusions Don. I never had any issues with XP
>when I install it years ago. None, nada on all my prior boxes.
Friend, I was speaking in generalities. If YOU took them PERSONALLY,
I am sorry. However, my comments WEREN'T aimed at you, personally.
>As far as installing Vista, I was a good little boy and did all
>Microsoft asked including running their moronic Vista upgrade advisor
>which said everything was fine on a old box until of course I actually
>started to install Vista on it then it started to nag and promptly
>crashed during the install of Vista on my first try.
Sorry, bud, but this was just not my experience. Vista simply
installed. PERIOD. In fact, this has been my experience with Vista
since the betas. NEVER a problem with installation.
]
>Microsoft has a HUGE creditability problem. They keep lying their ass
>off things are "fine" when they're not.
Hmmmm... NO comment, other than that you seem to have a HUGE trust
issue.
>>People like you are ALWAYS of the mindset that if Microsoft's OS does
>>not work with their devices and software, Microsoft MUST make its OS
>>compatible with THEIR devices and software!
>
>All I ask of Microsoft is stopping selling consumers a line of
>bullshit. I'm like millions of other pissed-off consumers that bought
>the crap it was safe to upgrade to Vista. I bought only "vista
>certified" components and in spite of it Microsoft dropped the ball
>failing to work on components Microsoft says was "certified" for
>Vista.
Why should Microsoft work on OEM device drivers? It's NOT their job
to make sure each and EVERY device driver produced by an OEM is Vista
compatible. It's the job of the OEMs. PERIOD..
>
>>It's not about "you", friend: It's about "us."
>>As the old saw goes, "It takes two to tango."
>>Microsoft can't help you if you won't help yourselves.
>>
>>Standing there shouting "Our devices won't work! Our software won't
>>work! And it's all Microsoft's fault!!!" over and over will NEVER
>>get them fixed.
>
>My issues deal mostly with INTERNAL Vista failings. You know... like
>file handling and the hugely stupid and unnecessary UAC. What
>unabashed Microsoft fans fail to understand and paint over is Vista
>out of box even with SP1, long before you install ANY third party
>software or any fancy hardware has all kinds of issues for SOME users.
IF those users DID have problems, I suggest a few things to correct
them:
1) Go back to school, and learn a little about computer basics.
2) Stop using the devices YOU want to use, and use the ones Microsoft
recommends in its Vista HCL.
3) Stop trying to TWEAK the OS so much. Accept it as it is, warts and
all.
4) Stop your INCESSANT complaining, and LISTEN to true experts, rather
than hobbyists like yourselves. Remember, its VERY HARD to LISTEN,
when your MOUTH is running all the time.
A Wise man LISTENS, while a foolish man never stops complaining.
>>IF they won't work with Vista, and the manufacturer won't support
>>their own products, there are only two or three reasonable solutions:
>>Either use an OS which WILL work with your devices, or GET RID of the
>>ones which won't work, and replace them with devices and software
>>which WILL.
>>
>>Of course, you always have the option of using another OS. Have fun,
>>if that is your decision. But leave us alone, please.
>>
>>Stop complaining! It only wastes your time and bandwidth. DO
>>SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE about your problems, folks, instead of sitting
>>there shaking your fingers at Microsoft.
>
>My advice GROW UP and realize real people some with extensive
>experience like me have REAL problems and the path why leads directly
>to Microsoft's doorstep. Of course Microsoft fans never understand
>that. This is the place to complain. You obviously prefer to firmly
>hold your hands over your eyes pretending there's nothing wrong with
>Vista at all. Pathetic.
That statement shows your obvious bias against anyone who does not
share your opinion about Vista or Microsoft, friend.
1) You assume that I am a "Microsoft fan". This is NOT the case, as
an examination of my posts over the last several years will show you.
2) The "place to complain" is NOT in a peer-user group on the Usenet.
It is to MICROSOFT, Inc. itself. While a few Microsoft employees DO
visit these forums from time to time, they do so as PRIVATE CITIZENS,
and NOT as "official" representatives of Microsoft. Your complaints
are being LOST on a bunch of folks like yourself.
3) Something tells me that you weren't even born when I started using
computers. I doubt seriously whether you have the "extensive
experience" you are trying to characterize yourself as having, else
you wouldn't have the problems you claim to be having.
4) That these people are having problems I do not doubt. Vista is a
highly-complex OS, and NOT easily handled by people whose "extensive"
experience is mostly in using a computer at work, where any problems
with the machine are handled by an over-worked Tech support person.
5) Being a HOBBYIST does NOT make one a "highly-skilled" computer
operator. In fact, from my point of view, hobbyists are the ones who
have the LEAST amount of "extensive experience". It seem that THEY
are the ones who are complaining the loudest, and mostly because of
Microsoft's anti-piracy measures.
Microsoft Windows is the ONLY ubiquitous OS around, and has been since
Windows 3.11. Countless millions of copies of Windows have been
distributed since then, with the majority of Windows users extremely
happy with the OS. Why? Because of the EASE of installation of the
OS, as well as the ability of Windows to use a LARGE number of
devices, rather than a small superset, like in OS X.
You, friend, are certainly in the MINORITY of folks having problems,
since the MAJORITY of sales of Vista have been to very happy folks,
who've had FEW problems with the OS itself, and MORE than a few
problems with software and devices which WEREN'T ready for Vista, and
STILL aren't. This is NOT Microsoft's fault. That Microsoft is
accentuating the POSITIVES of its OS is just human, and nothing YOU
wouldn't do when trying to "make a sale".
If you don't like Windows, friend, go buy an Apple.
Something tells me, though, if you DO buy an Apple, you will be one of
the FEW who are complaining about it, just as you've been one of the
FEW complaining about Windows.
Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
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