re-use XP

[philo]

Re: re-use XP


"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> He could use a virtualizer and install XP upgrade edition clean and do the
> cd swap when required because at that point the emulated cd drive is under
> the control of the virtualization software and not OS/X. He wouldn't need
> to install Win98 first.
>


Good point!
Well I hope the OP sorts through this and gets it all sorted out



> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:etzQhFYnIHA.4372@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:385620A6-EAFF-4FD3-80BD-1E8EA95C6CCB@microsoft.com...
>>>> Not on his iMac, Philo.
>>>>
>>>> Look for the cd eject button on a Mac optical drive. Guess what?
>>>> There isn't one. Mac users use the Eject key on the Mac keyboard to
>>>> eject cds and dvds.
>>>>
>>>> There is no way to perform the shiny media check because the Eject key
>>>> on the keyboard is not supported by the Windows Setup keyboard driver.
>>>> That key is not enabled until the Macintosh drivers for Windows are
>>>> installed once XP itself is installed. There is no way to swap cds
>>>> during the installation of XP. That's the only reason an XP upgrade
>>>> edition cd cannot be used with Boot Camp.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks fellows. Seems I am stuck with trying to find a full edition from
>>> somewhere or going to the Mac forum for an alternative suggestion.
>>>
>>> Very grateful for your help Colin.
>>>
>>> Andereida
>>
>> I also thank Colin for correcting my errors. The only way I can think of
>> would be to install
>> Virtual machine software, install win98 in that...and then upgrade to
>> XP...
>>
>> So it would of course be easier to just get the full version of XP
>> or possibly find someone who is willing to trade CD's assuming all are
>> legal
>>
>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: re-use XP

The bottom line is that the OP needs to do the thing Apple's way because
Boot Camp is an Apple supported product and he needs to stay within Apple's
guidelines so that his system is fully supported.

As to the vcache tweak, he probably can't. It requires going into Safe Mode
on an OS that probably won't install in the first place. Of course, there
is no Safe Mode on the OS/X side so it is not like setting up a typical
Windows multiboot situation where you could do it in the "other" OS.

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Too much ram in the iMac. See my previous clarification.
>>
>
> Actually you can run win98 with more than 512 megs of ram...
> first one needs to boot to safe mode...
> then there is a vcache setting one can tweak. (I've done it years ago)
>
> Also, if the OP does run win98 in a virtual machine...
> virtual machines generally have a setting for how much ram you want to
> assign to the guest OS...
> by default, the setting is fairly low.
>
> At any rate you have made some very good observations...
> ones that I missed
>
>
>> He has to use Boot Camp or a virtualizer like Parallels.
>>
>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7348826C-50FA-47EF-B12E-20839ED6513C@microsoft.com...
>>>> Boot Camp supports installing Windows XP and Vista only.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How about installing Win98 in a virtual machine...then upgrading that to
>>> XP?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did not see where the OP specified they were going to be using Boot
>>> Camp
>>>
>>> Of course it would be better to run the OS native
>>>
>>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23TDPVSXnIHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:262874B4-95C3-465D-A918-396FE0C31318@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> You cannot use the Win98 cd for the shiny media check on your iMac
>>>>>> because there is no eject button on your cd drive like there is on
>>>>>> other Windows machines. The Eject key on the iMac keyboard is not
>>>>>> functional during Windows installation. You just can't make the cd
>>>>>> swap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I went back and read the original post and see the OP is using a 2008
>>>>> iMac.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is I have not worked on any macs that new so if you say
>>>>> there is no eject button...
>>>>> I believe you. I wonder if the old "paperclip" hole has been removed
>>>>> from the drive too...
>>>>> as that may work.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alternative would be to actually install Win98 first
>>>>> then perform the upgrade from within the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though upgrading win98 to XP is generally going a bad idea...
>>>>> it will work fine from a fresh and unmodified installation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:utYfsgVnIHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%232uR3VVnIHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:el4XCpUnIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> My current computer line up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. 2007 box with VISTA
>>>>>>>>> 2. 1999 box originally with Win98 but changed in 2005 to XP using
>>>>>>>>> a retail XP upgrade disk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My proposed future line up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. 2007 box with VISTA
>>>>>>>>> 2. 1999 box scrapped
>>>>>>>>> 3. 2008 iMac with OS X and XP dual boot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that the upgrade disk will not install on
>>>>>>>>> the iMac (because it won't find a qualifying product) even though
>>>>>>>>> there is a full OS on the disk?
>>>>>>>>> If so is there any method of converting the disk, perhaps by
>>>>>>>>> buying a new license, or is the only option to buy another full
>>>>>>>>> disk?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andereida
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can perform a clean install with an XP upgrade cd.
>>>>>>>> Your old win98 cd will serve as a qualifying product (if you still
>>>>>>>> have it)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very much obliged to you for that answer. Yes, I still have the
>>>>>>> original Win98 CD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andereida
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

 

[bhk]

Re: re-use XP


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:07973F72-32A4-4EEE-86BA-CDEBA8CEC962@microsoft.com...
>> He could use a virtualizer and install XP upgrade edition clean and do
>> the cd swap when required because at that point the emulated cd drive is
>> under the control of the virtualization software and not OS/X. He
>> wouldn't need to install Win98 first.
>>
>
>
> Good point!
> Well I hope the OP sorts through this and gets it all sorted out
>
>
>
I hope so too. I haven't got any different advice over on the apple forum so
I will just have to wait until the Mac arrives and take it from there. I
plan to first try the virtualization route.

Will post back with my experience. Many thanks once again to both of you for
your time. It has been most informative.

Andereida

 

[philo]

Re: re-use XP


"bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:07973F72-32A4-4EEE-86BA-CDEBA8CEC962@microsoft.com...
> >> He could use a virtualizer and install XP upgrade edition clean and do
> >> the cd swap when required because at that point the emulated cd drive
is
> >> under the control of the virtualization software and not OS/X. He
> >> wouldn't need to install Win98 first.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Good point!
> > Well I hope the OP sorts through this and gets it all sorted out
> >
> >
> >
> I hope so too. I haven't got any different advice over on the apple forum
so
> I will just have to wait until the Mac arrives and take it from there. I
> plan to first try the virtualization route.
>
> Will post back with my experience. Many thanks once again to both of you
for
> your time. It has been most informative.
>
> Andereida
>

Yes...please let us know how it goes.
that Colin guy seems to be one sharp dude.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: re-use XP

<blush>

Actually, I have a MacBook Pro and have been over all this ground myself. I
run XP Pro on the Windows partition.

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:07973F72-32A4-4EEE-86BA-CDEBA8CEC962@microsoft.com...
>> >> He could use a virtualizer and install XP upgrade edition clean and do
>> >> the cd swap when required because at that point the emulated cd drive
> is
>> >> under the control of the virtualization software and not OS/X. He
>> >> wouldn't need to install Win98 first.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Good point!
>> > Well I hope the OP sorts through this and gets it all sorted out
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> I hope so too. I haven't got any different advice over on the apple forum
> so
>> I will just have to wait until the Mac arrives and take it from there. I
>> plan to first try the virtualization route.
>>
>> Will post back with my experience. Many thanks once again to both of you
> for
>> your time. It has been most informative.
>>
>> Andereida
>>
>
> Yes...please let us know how it goes.
> that Colin guy seems to be one sharp dude.
>
>
>

 

[Jess Fertudei]

Re: re-use XP

The 98SE limit is 768Megs and here is how you get around it:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q184447&

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q184447&#appliesto

There is paragraph on that page that instructs on how to overcome this error
if it occurs during setup as well.


That said... I have wellllllllllll over 768 on this machine and it runs it's
98SE Partition just fine. One of my other 98SE machines that had some
difficulties with over 1G responded very well to using Cacheman (cachm550) a
freebie. Get it here or look in your favorite utilities site:

http://www.download3k.com/Install-Cacheman.html

If your 98 box has issues over 768, Cacheman has a settings spot that you
can check to limit RAM to 512. Since 98 only uses 384M in the first place,
Cacheman works like a charm without messing with Windows' settings.


HTH



"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> XP upgrade setup instructs the user to swap cds. It does not eject the cd
> itself.
>
> Win98 probably won't install. You are forgetting that the memory limit
> for Win9x/ME is 512mb. I have heard of it running stably on up to 768MB,
> but no further. He would have to have a stable OS (no BSODs) before he
> could launch the XP upgrade setup from the Win98 desktop. The iMac has
> way too much ram. He would have to remove some.
>
> While a Windows PC would probably have settings to remap memory in the
> BIOS, Macs don't have a BIOS. Mac's use EFI instead. This is one of the
> reasons new computers don't have motherboard drivers for Win9x/ME. They
> ship with too much ram.
>
> If he had a W2k cd he could install W2k and then upgrade.
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:FBA17CBC-3A93-4ECC-BE39-A9BFFC6A29D3@microsoft.com...
>>> Look closely at the iMac pictured here:
>>> http://www.apple.com/imac/
>>> Notice the disc slot in the side of the monitor? No button, no
>>> paperclip hole.
>>>
>>> There is no mechanical means to eject a disc on a Mac. Any Mac. Not
>>> even a paperclip hole. The reason is the Apple operating systems
>>> require closing of files prior to ejection so to protect the user from
>>> inadvertantly ejecting without first closing files, the user is
>>> prevented from doing it mechanically. The Eject key on the keyboard
>>> closes any files on the disc that are open before ejecting the disc.
>>> The user can also eject a disc from a program menu. In the event a disc
>>> gets stuck, it is necessary to shut down the Mac and then restart while
>>> holding down the mouse key.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for spotting the error I made.
>>
>> Unless the windows installer ejects the CD automatically (which I don't
>> think is the case)
>> The OP would have to install Win98 first...then upgrade to XP from within
>> Win98
>>
>>
>>
>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23TDPVSXnIHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:262874B4-95C3-465D-A918-396FE0C31318@microsoft.com...
>>>>> You cannot use the Win98 cd for the shiny media check on your iMac
>>>>> because there is no eject button on your cd drive like there is on
>>>>> other Windows machines. The Eject key on the iMac keyboard is not
>>>>> functional during Windows installation. You just can't make the cd
>>>>> swap.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I went back and read the original post and see the OP is using a 2008
>>>> iMac.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is I have not worked on any macs that new so if you say there
>>>> is no eject button...
>>>> I believe you. I wonder if the old "paperclip" hole has been removed
>>>> from the drive too...
>>>> as that may work.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative would be to actually install Win98 first
>>>> then perform the upgrade from within the OS.
>>>>
>>>> Though upgrading win98 to XP is generally going a bad idea...
>>>> it will work fine from a fresh and unmodified installation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:utYfsgVnIHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%232uR3VVnIHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "bhk" <unvalid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:el4XCpUnIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> My current computer line up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 2007 box with VISTA
>>>>>>>> 2. 1999 box originally with Win98 but changed in 2005 to XP using a
>>>>>>>> retail XP upgrade disk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My proposed future line up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 2007 box with VISTA
>>>>>>>> 2. 1999 box scrapped
>>>>>>>> 3. 2008 iMac with OS X and XP dual boot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that the upgrade disk will not install on
>>>>>>>> the iMac (because it won't find a qualifying product) even though
>>>>>>>> there is a full OS on the disk?
>>>>>>>> If so is there any method of converting the disk, perhaps by buying
>>>>>>>> a new license, or is the only option to buy another full disk?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andereida
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can perform a clean install with an XP upgrade cd.
>>>>>>> Your old win98 cd will serve as a qualifying product (if you still
>>>>>>> have it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very much obliged to you for that answer. Yes, I still have the
>>>>>> original Win98 CD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andereida
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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