Windows Vista Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

[Kayman]

Re: Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:43:47 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:50:09 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The best defenses are:
>>1. Do not work in elevated level; Day-to-day work should be
>> performed while the User Account Control (UAC) is enabled. Turning
>> off UAC reduces the security of your computer and may expose you to
>> increased risk from malicious software.
> UAC sends productivity into the crapper. I don't need to try and find how to
> bypass a nag screen telling me you can't do that, when I clearly NEED to do
> that. And not look for a solution on how to bypass UAC TO DO THAT.
> I want full access to my machine, and won't settle for anything less.

Up to you, it's a pc, you know.
Windows User Account Control Step-by-Step Guide
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...8514-4c9e-ac08-4c21f5c6c2d91033.mspx?mfr=true

> A court won't let you off with 'I have no access to that part of my drives'. If
> the court can get someone with a $3000.00 software program to scan every byte
> of your drive, you should know what's on your drive.
>
> A good virus program can work much better than UAC, and windows defender.

UAC and AV apps are two different animals, oh well.

>>4. Reconsider the usage of IE.
> What the heck does that mean ? I switched to firefox, when IE started taking 10
> minutes to open every web site.

It means that there are (more secure) alternatives out there; FF is one of
them. Utilizing another browser application can add to the overall security
of the OS. But,
Microsoft says Internet Explorer more secure than Firefox
http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/99955

>>5. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
>> Remove clutter.
> again ! What the heck does that mean ? 1 mans trash...

It means what it implies, e.g. dispose of all your 'Anti-Whatever'
applications. Keep your pc lean, install only applications you are really
need - try to be a 'minimalist'.
Belarc Advisor can assist
http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

>>6. Don't expose services to public networks.
> Such as ? The entire web is Public.

Windows Vista Service Configurations Introduction
http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/servicecfg.htm

>>7a.If on high-speed internet use a router as well.
> unnecessary.

Alright then

>>8. Routinely practice safe-hex.
> again ! What the heck does that mean ?

You could've Googled for it but I feel generous
http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
Hundreds Click on 'Click Here to Get Infected' Ad
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2132447,00.asp

>>9. Regularly back-up data/files.
>>10.Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and with
>> re-installing your operating system (OS).
> Or get a reliable virus scanner to avoid the need for crash recovery and
> re-installing OS. etc..

Where do you live, in la-la land?

>>11.Utilize a real-time anti-virus application and vital system
>> monitoring utilities/applications.
>
>>12.Keep abreast of the latest developments - Sh!t happens...you know.
> again ! What the heck does that mean ?

It means ****** happens! It means technology is dynamic, it means that an
application/utility working perfectly today may not be advisable to utilize
tomorrow.

>>The least preferred defenses are:
>>Myriads of popular anti-whatever applications and staying ignorant.

 

[Kayman]

Re: Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:23:43 -0500, Mr Smiley wrote:

> Kayman
>
> May I kindly suggest you refrain from being so condescending with your
> remarks and appreciate the fact that you're not the fountain of all
> knowledge on all matters pertaining to computer security, although I'm
> sure you'll beg to differ on that.
>

<snip for brevity>

No, au contraire. I am learning all the time ;-)
Your perception of things got the better of you!

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:35:46 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com>
wrote:

>>>4. Reconsider the usage of IE.
>> What the heck does that mean ? I switched to firefox, when IE started taking 10
>> minutes to open every web site.
>
>It means that there are (more secure) alternatives out there; FF is one of
>them. Utilizing another browser application can add to the overall security
>of the OS. But,
>Microsoft says Internet Explorer more secure than Firefox
>http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/99955

Only going by experience, I would have to agree that IE IS more secure than
firefox. I got my 1st virus in a long time Id 'd in the FF Cache this past
week.
Never found 1 in the IE: Cache [used for 10 years]. Plenty in the archives, but
no naked virus.

>>>5. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
>>> Remove clutter.
>> again ! What the heck does that mean ? 1 mans trash...
>
>It means what it implies, e.g. dispose of all your 'Anti-Whatever'
>applications. Keep your pc lean, install only applications you are really
>need - try to be a 'minimalist'.
>Belarc Advisor can assist
>http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
That has little to nothing to do with security. Almost ALL good 3rd party
programs [from adobe] call home on a regular basis, or not at all. Windows
itself calls home DAILY.

>>>8. Routinely practice safe-hex.
>> again ! What the heck does that mean ?
>
>You could've Googled for it but I feel generous
>http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
Just annoying. You throw out vague advice, then expect someone to look up what
you said ?

>>>10.Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and with
>>> re-installing your operating system (OS).

>> Or get a reliable virus scanner to avoid the need for crash recovery and
>> re-installing OS. etc..
>
>Where do you live, in la-la land?
again ! What the heck does that mean ?
I keep 3 backups at all times. using the windows OS makes 3 backups an absolute
minimum.
I haven't had to use them in years.
And my Trend micro keeps the machine clean with 24/7 monitoring and weekly full
machine scans.
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[Kayman]

Re: Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:42:14 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:35:46 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>4. Reconsider the usage of IE.
>>> What the heck does that mean ? I switched to firefox, when IE started taking 10
>>> minutes to open every web site.
>>
>>It means that there are (more secure) alternatives out there; FF is one of
>>them. Utilizing another browser application can add to the overall security
>>of the OS. But,
>>Microsoft says Internet Explorer more secure than Firefox
>>http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/99955
>
> Only going by experience, I would have to agree that IE IS more secure than
> firefox. I got my 1st virus in a long time Id 'd in the FF Cache this past
> week.
> Never found 1 in the IE: Cache [used for 10 years]. Plenty in the archives, but
> no naked virus.
>
Unless IE stops supporting ActiveX and supporting manipulating
arbitrary COM objects, it's a security risk
>>>>5. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
>>>> Remove clutter.
>>> again ! What the heck does that mean ? 1 mans trash...
>>
>>It means what it implies, e.g. dispose of all your 'Anti-Whatever'
>>applications. Keep your pc lean, install only applications you are really
>>need - try to be a 'minimalist'.
>>Belarc Advisor can assist
>>http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
> That has little to nothing to do with security. Almost ALL good 3rd party
> programs [from adobe] call home on a regular basis, or not at all. Windows
> itself calls home DAILY.
>
I beg to differ; Good housekeeping has a lot to do with operating securely.
>>>>8. Routinely practice safe-hex.
>>> again ! What the heck does that mean ?
>>
>>You could've Googled for it but I feel generous
>>http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
> Just annoying. You throw out vague advice, then expect someone to look up what
> you said ?
'Safe-Hex' is hardly a vague term. And yes, I'd expect you to do you own
research and have no intention spoon feeding you with each and every little
detail. (It's a part of growing up and gaining experience).
>
>>>>10.Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and with
>>>> re-installing your operating system (OS).
>
>>> Or get a reliable virus scanner to avoid the need for crash recovery and
>>> re-installing OS. etc..
>>
>>Where do you live, in la-la land?
> again ! What the heck does that mean ?
> I keep 3 backups at all times. using the windows OS makes 3 backups an absolute
> minimum.
So, why do you make back-ups in the first place? (No need to answer).
> I haven't had to use them in years.
> And my Trend micro keeps the machine clean with 24/7 monitoring and weekly full
> machine scans.
So, what's *your* point? (No need to respond).

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Anti-virus/Firewall suggestions

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:14:16 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:42:14 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:35:46 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>4. Reconsider the usage of IE.
>>>> What the heck does that mean ? I switched to firefox, when IE started taking 10
>>>> minutes to open every web site.
>>>
>>>It means that there are (more secure) alternatives out there; FF is one of
>>>them. Utilizing another browser application can add to the overall security
>>>of the OS. But,
>>>Microsoft says Internet Explorer more secure than Firefox
>>>http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/99955
>>
>> Only going by experience, I would have to agree that IE IS more secure than
>> firefox. I got my 1st virus in a long time Id 'd in the FF Cache this past
>> week.
>> Never found 1 in the IE: Cache [used for 10 years]. Plenty in the archives, but
>> no naked virus.
>>
>Unless IE stops supporting ActiveX and supporting manipulating
>arbitrary COM objects, it's a security risk
I'll have to disagree based on 10 years experience with IE:
With weekly & monthly updates on the windows OS, it's in a continual state of
improvement.
Firefox being safer is only because it's NOT A TARGET.
Amiga was virus free. It wasn't a TARGET, there were few if any virus AIMED at
Amiga.
Macintosh is more virus free than windows. It ISN'T a TARGET.
If you want PURE SECURITY get a C= 64 or 128. The ONLY trojan ever written for
the C='s died when you turned the machine off.

>>>>>5. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities;
>>>>> Remove clutter.
>>>> again ! What the heck does that mean ? 1 mans trash...
>>>
>>>It means what it implies, e.g. dispose of all your 'Anti-Whatever'
>>>applications. Keep your pc lean, install only applications you are really
>>>need - try to be a 'minimalist'.
>>>Belarc Advisor can assist
>>>http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
>> That has little to nothing to do with security. Almost ALL good 3rd party
>> programs [from adobe] call home on a regular basis, or not at all. Windows
>> itself calls home DAILY.
>>
>I beg to differ; Good housekeeping has a lot to do with operating securely.
Again Vague..
>>>>>8. Routinely practice safe-hex.
>>>> again ! What the heck does that mean ?
>>>
>>>You could've Googled for it but I feel generous
>>>http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
>> Just annoying. You throw out vague advice, then expect someone to look up what
>> you said ?
>'Safe-Hex' is hardly a vague term. And yes, I'd expect you to do you own
>research and have no intention spoon feeding you with each and every little
>detail. (It's a part of growing up and gaining experience).
Of course it is it doesn't say anything. Someone asks you where Wall drug is,
you don't tell them in the U.S.
You ask what Wall drug is ? Was that too vague ? or maybe telling you it could
be found it in the U.S. was too vague.

>>
>>>>>10.Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and with
>>>>> re-installing your operating system (OS).
>>
>>>> Or get a reliable virus scanner to avoid the need for crash recovery and
>>>> re-installing OS. etc..
>>>
>>>Where do you live, in la-la land?
>> again ! What the heck does that mean ?
>> I keep 3 backups at all times. using the windows OS makes 3 backups an absolute
>> minimum.
>So, why do you make back-ups in the first place? (No need to answer).
10 years experience.

>> I haven't had to use them in years.
>> And my Trend micro keeps the machine clean with 24/7 monitoring and weekly full
>> machine scans.
>So, what's *your* point? (No need to respond).
10 years experience.

But all you handed out was vague cliches that said nothing to someone NEEDING
help.
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