Re: DANGER! D ANGER!Re: Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
Re: DANGER! D ANGER!Re: Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
Was this to me... sorry, as I said we will not agree, but will disagree...
As for PROS, yeah right, anyone who says they are a PRO has some additional
learning to do. Its a constant process that NEVER ends, so that label means
little to nothing to me. I rate the party by what they present, and ONLY for
that present,, they may get better or may catch their own mistakes, and if
they are any good, will change over time. Its an imperfect world, to which
you
must constantly adapt..IMO, Those who NEED {mentally} the label of PRO or
EXPERT, also need some mental help.
I WILL agree that any entries found by these programs MUST be checked
first, as I indicated previously. An old program I once relied upon, JV
Power Tools, could, after *extensive manual setup* of its
allow/disallow/check entries, be used by me upon most systems to
automatically clean the registry without damage. But that was only AFTER
that previous setup. Which meant I had done the background work, the
searching/mistakes/etc. PRIOR to it working the way it should
Microsoft's regclean became essentially useless after a certain level of
updates to the system {was it IE6 or before, ah too long ago to even care},
and did cause errors with Adobe Reader's [to name one] massive entries.
But again, I'm not going to agree with you, nor bother to play the *game*
of posting links or info, I know what I use, which changes from time to
time. AND without these tools I certainly couldn't do what I STILL do [I
suppsedly/hopefully was going to quit last December, oh well, and still
doing in XP and VISTA], test large amounts of programs on an actual systems
[not VM or VPC], from clean installs [not clones/images, though I do use
them for my non-test machines/when taking a break].
Because I also use these *tools*, such as RegSeeker, to cross-check
registry/hive entries, and other monitoring done during the process. They
are a tool, and like any other tool, must be used with caution and
understanding.
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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| I missed the second part of your post. (The following is from memory, and
| mine ain't so good, but it's as faithful as I can be to From experience, a
| Registry that had LOTS of installs and uninstalls, including MS Office in
| three versions (each one removed before the next one was set up) -- my own
| 98 machine after months of trying things out for other folks (talking
2000,
| 2001, or so.) Can't remember if the HD was 4GB or 8.
|
| I think, at best, some ~500 total "invalid" entries were discovered by a
| handful of the most suggested (and in those days, that was pretty much all
| of them -- EasyCleaner, RegClean and a few others I forget now). I'm not
| talking about garbage entries like MRUs, etc., I'm talking about leftovers
| from the applications. It took me days of individual research on each
entry
| to discover where it came from, and at least several dozen entries were
put
| there by apps that were still installed -- entries I assume the programmer
| wanted put there because how am I (or a "Registry Cleaning Tool") supposed
| to know otherwise? This kind of entry is precisely the kind that cause
wise
| people to call Registry Cleaners hokum. Because it MAY be required by the
| application. It MAY NOT be garbage.
|
| Total, five full time days to be as certain as I could be that those now
| significantly less than 500 entries really were garbage left behind by
| uninstalled apps. And then I did some general PC health measurements --
| speed to load Windows, speed to load apps, etc., just general use for a
| while. Then I removed all the invalid entries. Tested performance. Not a
bit
| of noticeable change, and that was, or rather still is, a puny P200.
|
| I finished up by testing the "invalid" entries, couldn't cause any problem
| that I could trace back to the invalid entry, so I finished removing them
| all and ran the tools all over again and removed everything that came up.
| One of those programs crashed three times in a row a few weeks later, I
| replaced that one entry that belonged to it that I'd removed from the
| Registry, and it worked again.
|
| That's my history with the topic, best I can recall. The point is, there
is
| a TON of work involved in following up on the Registry Cleaners' "hits",
| work that practically NOBODY would ever bother to do properly, and it all
| has pretty much NO positive effect on the Registry and almost always has
| SOME negative effect.
|
| Now, you say these tools can be used to find evidence of virus. Sounds far
| fetched, but not impossible. But I can't imagine how you REPAIR an
| application's Registry entries using any of the cited tools. Can you
please
| give an example? Note that I'm not talking about REGEDIT enhancements, or
| RegSnap or the like, I'm talking about EasyCleaner, et. al., the ones that
| advertise themselves in places... Seems like right down to my toilet
paper.
| Show me a thread where any of these tools were used to diagnose a mistaken
| entry in the Registry and then FIX that problem. Because the BLOAT problem
| is a false problem under normal and proper computer usage. ALL the MRUs,
| etc., are self-cleaning at one point or another and don't even add up to a
| single dry spit into the bucket.
|
| What I will say, here, is that SCANREG /FIX can make a significant
| difference in performance IF there had recently been huge changes in
| programming -- massive changes in the Registry. Otherwise, I found I could
| go weeks or months without running it and it wouldn't make much difference
| in performance. So, yes, to lose the ability to run that tool due to
| Registry size is a sad affair, but I've seen plenty that were in that
shape
| that still ran just fine for what I consider normal lifespans, including
| until the machines died in most cases.
|
| In short, for all practical purposes, the tools we're talking about are
| essentially worthless for the purposes for which they are advertised
(pretty
| much anything you see advertised via SPAM or in fact ANY place other than
| where pros and only pros hang out.)
|
| To drag other tools into the sample is dishonorable debate, seems to me,
but
| if you can show me one that has real value, and show me a sample of people
| using these tools to actually accomplish anything serious.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OycJifGsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > Aw Gary, too decrepit??? That's like telling everyone to buy new
| > computers...
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eLILfVGsIHA.5872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | Yes, but the "good" uses you propose have nothing to do with the
| > advertised
| > | intended use of the tools, and your examples depend on machines too
| > decrepit
| > | to be worth the effort, AFAIC.
| > |
| > | If the Registry is in such a state that it needs "cleaning", the tools
| > will
| > | do little if anything to help. In short, as a generally true
statement,
| > | proven over and over again, Registry Cleaners are dangerous and
| > worthless.
| > | Please read PA's reference to the Aumha.net thread wherein realities
are
| > | revealed after much testing. Hell, the most I've seen tagged by such a
| > | program were several hundred entries (so called "empty" CLSIDs?),
which
| > are
| > | a drop in the bucket compared to the entire Registry. In all, except
the
| > | most decrepit Windows 98 machine, those entries are perfectly
harmless.
| > | Note, too, that "empty" CLSIDs were put there by someone, presumably
| > with
| > | certain future situations in mind. IOW, the context may be missing
that
| > | would explain why the CLSID is there in the first place. IOW, if a
| > | programmer put something in the Registry, my suggestion is that you
| > leave
| > it
| > | there, since you have no ide3a what purpose it might be serving, even
if
| > | that purpose "breaks the rules" on proper Registry use.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > |
www.grystmill.com
| >
| >
| > Yes, in part. I have cautioned concerning removal pf ActiveX semmingly
| > blank entries. These ARE place holders,,, which should be left as they
are
| > DISABLED...
| >
| > As for "leave it there"; that attempts to indicate all programmers know
| > what they are doing, and make proper installation files and uninstaller
| > routines... that's a dream world, it would ber nice, but its not a
| > reality.
| >
| > So again, these types of TOOLS can be of use, but must be used with
| > caution AND only after making an effort to understand what they might
| > find.
| > IN FACT, several of these tools now include Search Tools built-in, and
| > suggest using them BEFORE removal of any items. Its just like any
| > application or program that a user might have, they MUST learn how to
use
| > it.
| >
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:O9RLrtAsIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > Of course, but they are tools none the less. So naturally I like my
| > | > statement better. At least it doesn't make me sound like NONE of
them
| > are
| > | > worthy of use, just that the user should be aware of what can happen
| > when
| > | > used without knowledge.
| > | >
| > | > I have placed several "oh no" posts here when help is needed AFTER
| > | > misuse..
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:eduY226rIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | I'm going to modify my answer below... Such cases as you cite
should
| > be
| > | > | generally be scrapped and replaced. If nothing else, as soon as
that
| > | > system
| > | > | connects to any other system, in any manner, it is a *probable*
| > danger
| > | > to
| > | > | others. If it is so obsolete and unsupported and the user was so
| > | > | irresponsible that it is really impossible to rebuild, I say
thumbs
| > | > down.
| > | > |
| > | > | And I've decided that I like your mention of HJT. From what I see,
| > those
| > | > few
| > | > | Registry Cleaners that aren't pure scam are JUST as dangerous as
| > HJT.
| > Do
| > | > you
| > | > | recommend the unassisted use of HJT? Would you not scream
DANGER!!!
| > if
| > | > you
| > | > | saw it advertised as a user-friendly, idiot-proof tool?
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > |
www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | news:OfeA8t6rIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:%23thP3H6rIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >> news:OIlgiP4rIHA.3632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> | I don't use any such add-on and never have. Yes, I suppose
they
| > | > might
| > | > | >> have
| > | > | >> | come in handy once or twice, but by the time I thought of
| > grabbing
| > | > one
| > | > | >> for
| > | > | >> | the momentary purpose, I was done.
| > | > | >> |
| > | > | >> | I don't get involved in detailed spyware and virus removal.
| > With
| > | > minor
| > | > | >> | exceptions, when I encounter a seriously infested machine, I
| > | > recommend
| > | > | >> a
| > | > | >> | full rebuild. Once a machine is infested, I consider it
| > permanently
| > | > | >> suspect.
| > | > | >> | Besides, it would seem to me that in the case of viruses and
| > | > spyware
| > | > | >> | removal, the experts should already know EXACTLY what spyware
| > and
| > | > | >> virus(es)
| > | > | >> | they are dealing with and which Registry entries to remove,
and
| > | > even
| > | > | >> have
| > | > | >> | REG files for the purpose.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> In part you're right, many do have these reg files; however, as
| > these
| > | > | >> things
| > | > | >> are constantly being modified [variants] the "cleaning tools*
are
| > | > used
| > | > to
| > | > | >> locate potential entries and or files which *may be* that
| > variant.
| > | > | >> Without
| > | > | >> the output of these programs, diagnostics becomes just guesses.
| > One
| > | > could
| > | > | >> even, under the cleaner aspect, rate hijackthis as in the same
| > class,
| > | > yet
| > | > | >> without this tool many would be at the mercy of any BHO or
other,
| > and
| > | > | >> experts would be without the tools necessary to help.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Can you provide a list of the most popular of these tools? I'm
| > having
| > | > a
| > | > | > hard time associating any of the usually suggested and widely
| > | > advertised
| > | > | > Registry Cleaners with discovery of virus variants.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> They can be far more effective than running tweakUI for other
| > styles
| > | > of
| > | > | >> cleanup as well.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I never use TUI, either. What kind of cleanup does TUI do? Are
we
| > back
| > | > to
| > | > | > "cleaning" MRUs, etc.?
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> | If they are GUESSING to the point that they need
| > | > | >> | tools to seek out (intelligently, one presumes) just the
signs
| > of
| > | > crap,
| > | > | >> then
| > | > | >> | we're back to a full wipe and reinstall AFAIC. Not to be too
| > blunt
| > | > | >> about
| > | > | >> it,
| > | > | >> | but I consider such pastimes precisely that. Pastimes. Just
| > like
| > a
| > | > lot
| > | > | >> of
| > | > | >> | "fixing" that goes on here, say in the networking and DUN
| > sphere,
| > | > for
| > | > | >> | instance, with the interminable and often unresolved threads,
| > all
| > | > your
| > | > | >> AT
| > | > | >> | commands, blah, blah... The way to FIX a DUN problem is
almost
| > | > ALWAYS
| > | > | >> to
| > | > | >> | remove all networking and related devices and services and
let
| > them
| > | > | >> | reinstall themselves.
| > | > | >> |
| > | > | >> | --
| > | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >> |
www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> The full wipe would be the safest, I agree; however, that's
just
| > not
| > | > | >> possible for many users. Either they no longer have the
| > installation
| > | > | >> disks
| > | > | >> for their applications, or those applications may no longer be
| > | > supported
| > | > | >> [leaving them with only the installation disk{s}, but no
| > updates].
| > | > Then
| > | > | >> you
| > | > | >> run against many devices which once had drivers and/or updates
| > posted
| > | > | >> upon
| > | > | >> the manufacturer's site, which may no longer be offered.
Granted,
| > one
| > | > can
| > | > | >> search the NET for them, but that places one in the hands of
| > whatever
| > | > is
| > | > | >> found.
| > | > | >> Yes, users should understand that they should have obtained and
| > saved
| > | > | >> these
| > | > | >> during the course of their usage, sadly many don't
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You're starting to get pretty rarified, there. One in ten
million?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > OK, I'll allow that for particular purposes and in the hands of
| > truly
| > | > | > experienced techs, one or more of these tools might come in
handy,
| > but
| > | > | > that small exception doesn't come close to convincing me to
desist
| > in
| > | > my
| > | > | > blanket condemnation of such tools in this forum. Read PA's cite
| > for
| > | > the
| > | > | > real skinny.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> I think we agreed on the Network issue in the networking forum,
| > and
| > | > we
| > | > | >> did
| > | > | >> offer that as the best test solution, and the other factors
were
| > to
| > | > work
| > | > | >> through the potentials associated.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > HUH!?!
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >
www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> --
| > | > | >> MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | >> --
| > | > | >> _________
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> |
| > | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >> | news:eQZZwCzrIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> | > I'll put the response here, rather than go through all the
| > | > postings
| > | > | >> for
| > | > | >> | > individual responses...
| > | > | >> | >
| > | > | >> | > Locating the issue areas is the primary purpose for which I
| > use
| > | > the
| > | > | >> | > programs for, though I have tested them extensively, which
is
| > why
| > | > I
| > | > | >> | > caution
| > | > | >> | > not to use the auto cleanup.
| > | > | >> | >
| > | > | >> | > But for the rest, I suggest a perusal through the archives
of
| > | > this
| > | > | >> group;
| > | > | >> | > remind the parties of their postings; and direct to the
| > SpyWare
| > | > and
| > | > | >> Virus
| > | > | >> | > removal forums and sites.
| > | > | >> | > These tools [ccleaner, regseeker, and others] are used
| > regularly
| > | > | >> during
| > | > | >> | > the
| > | > | >> | > process. Granted, under the guidance of people familiar
with
| > them
| > | > and
| > | > | >> the
| > | > | >> | > registry, but certainly are used far more often than
| > suggesting
| > | > | >> manual
| > | > | >> | > editing. Moreover, who in here, doesn't have their favorite
| > | > regedit
| > | > | >> addin
| > | > | >> | > or
| > | > | >> | > replacement that they use because of the limited
capabilities
| > of
| > | > the
| > | > | >> basic
| > | > | >> | > regedit. Is there anyone still that far in the mud?
| > | > | >> | >
| > | > | >> | > So my statement stands, careful application of these
cleaners
| > can
| > | > be
| > | > | >> of
| > | > | >> | > use, but not to those who fail to take the time to
understand
| > | > them.
| > | > | >> | >
| > | > | >> | > --
| > | > | >> | > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | >> | > --
| > | > | >> | > _________
| > | > | >> | >
| > | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >> | > news:uJJ8wpwrIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> | > | Please provide documentation of Registry bloat causing
any
| > | > | >> significant
| > | > | >> | > | failures". Only such thing I've heard of is SCANREG /FIX
| > | > failing
| > | > to
| > | > | >> run
| > | > | >> | > on
| > | > | >> | > a
| > | > | >> | > | large Registry. BFD.
| > | > | >> | > |
| > | > | >> | > | Yes, sometimes the Registry needs work, usually after a
| > | > wide-spread
| > | > | >> | > disaster
| > | > | >> | > | involving the user doing something that shouldn't have
been
| > | > done,
| > | > | >> but
| > | > | >> | > only
| > | > | >> | > | an expert is likely to know for sure, and while tools
| > *might*
| > | > | >> locate a
| > | > | >> | > few
| > | > | >> | > | of those entries, you know better than most, I think, how
| > much
| > | > of
| > | > | >> any
| > | > | >> | > real
| > | > | >> | > | Registry *REPAIR*, as opposed to "cleaning", is a
| > painstaking
| > | > | >> MANUAL
| > | > | >> | > search
| > | > | >> | > | and research procedure that few if any tools do well at
| > all.
| > | > | >> | > |
| > | > | >> | > | I used them regularly for several years, to find "crap"
and
| > | > delete
| > | > | >> it,
| > | > | >> | > | ALWAYS having to refuse the deletion of some things I had
| > | > learned
| > | > | >> | > weren't
| > | > | >> | > a
| > | > | >> | > | good idea to remove (or were unimportant MRUs, etc.), and
| > after
| > | > | >> many
| > | > | >> | > years
| > | > | >> | > | of such experience, I arrived at the stance I take now.
| > I've
| > | > never
| > | > | >> once
| > | > | >> | > had
| > | > | >> | > | any success helping anyone else by having them run any
| > Registry
| > | > | >> tools,
| > | > | >> | > | whereas I have several times dealt with people who were
| > screwed
| > | > by
| > | > | >> their
| > | > | >> | > | Registry tools, even the same ones I'd been using and
| > thought
| > | > were
| > | > | >> | > | "idiot-proof".
| > | > | >> | > |
| > | > | >> | > | --
| > | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >> | > |
www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >> | > |
| > | > | >> | > |
| > | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >> | > | news:OnaPSovrIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> | > | > Ah gosh I hate to do this, BUT,,,,
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > As we all know, the registry can become quite bloated
| > with
| > | > | >> entries
| > | > | >> | > which
| > | > | >> | > | > relate to nothing of value, from MRU lists to
| > applications
| > | > which
| > | > | >> fill
| > | > | >> | > the
| > | > | >> | > | > registry with open files which no longer exist, to
| > | > applications
| > | > | >> | > supposedly
| > | > | >> | > | > removed but actually leave, at times, countless
worthless
| > | > | >> entries;
| > | > | >> to
| > | > | >> | > any
| > | > | >> | > | > number of other things which aren't need, or may have
| > somehow
| > | > | >> been
| > | > | >> | > changed
| > | > | >> | > | > at sometime.
| > | > | >> | > | > We also know or should know that the registry will FAIL
| > or
| > be
| > | > | >> prone
| > | > | >> to
| > | > | >> | > | > failure after exceeding a certain size [parsing
| > issues]....
| > | > which
| > | > | >> then
| > | > | >> | > | > becomes an issue which may affect recoverability in a
| > time
| > of
| > | > | >> crisis.
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > All the MVP that I have observed here, have, at some
| > time,
| > | > posted
| > | > | >> | > methods
| > | > | >> | > | > to clean errant registry entries, compact the registry,
| > and
| > | > | >> otherwise
| > | > | >> | > work
| > | > | >> | > | > upon the registry... They also have repeatedly advised,
| > when
| > | > | >> | > confronted
| > | > | >> | > | > with
| > | > | >> | > | > ghost entries, bad drivers or applications or
otherwise,,
| > | > advised
| > | > | >> HOW
| > | > | >> | > to
| > | > | >> | > | > *manually* search the registry to *clean it*.
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > I personally have used [and still use] several tools to
| > clean
| > | > the
| > | > | >> | > | > registry,
| > | > | >> | > | > which IF PROPERLY USED can be relied upon to make a
| > system
| > | > lean
| > | > | >> and
| > | > | >> | > | > mean,,,
| > | > | >> | > | > but the key is PROPERLY USED... ANY use of a cleaner
| > should
| > | > be
| > | > | >> taken
| > | > | >> | > with
| > | > | >> | > | > *a
| > | > | >> | > | > grain of salt*. AUTOMATIC cleaning is not a good idea.
| > IF
| > | > the
| > | > | >> user
| > | > | >> is
| > | > | >> | > | > unfamiliar with the registry, then damage will likely
| > occur.
| > | > IF,
| > | > | >> on
| > | > | >> | > the
| > | > | >> | > | > other hand, the user familiarizes theirselves with the
| > | > registry,
| > | > | >> makes
| > | > | >> | > an
| > | > | >> | > | > effort to first increase their knowledge of the entries
| > by
| > | > | >> searching
| > | > | >> | > first
| > | > | >> | > | > to see if they ARE un-needed PRIOR to removal, then the
| > | > desired
| > | > | >> | > results
| > | > | >> | > | > can
| > | > | >> | > | > be achieved.
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > Never overlook the KEY, that personal knowledge and
| > | > understanding
| > | > | >> is
| > | > | >> | > YOUR
| > | > | >> | > | > responsibility. OR stay away from these cleaners as
they
| > | > MIGHT
| > | > | >> cause
| > | > | >> | > more
| > | > | >> | > | > harm than good.
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > These things ARE after all, relied upon quite heavily
| > during
| > | > | >> cleanup
| > | > | >> | > | > activities from SpyWare, Virus, and other such
| > activities...
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > --
| > | > | >> | > | > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | >> | > | > --
| > | > | >> | > | > _________
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
| > | > message
| > | > | >> | > | > news:O18TzSurIHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> | > | > |
letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| > | > | >> | > | > | > On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:54:57 -0700, "Gary S.
Terhune"
| > | > <none>
| > | > | >> wrote:
| > | > | >> | > | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> ALL registry cleaners are VERY dangerous to your
| > system,
| > | > and
| > | > | >> will
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> actually
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> FIX a problem, even just "slowness", approximately
| > | > NEVER.
| > | > | >> | > | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > | > I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem.
I
| > | > have
| > | > | >> never
| > | > | >> | > seen
| > | > | >> | > | > | > it fix any problems, but it does remove a lot of
| > useless
| > | > | >> junk.
| > | > | >> | > | > | > Without such programs, it seems to me that the
| > registry
| > | > would
| > | > | >> get
| > | > | >> | > so
| > | > | >> | > | > | > huge that it would be crash prone. For example,
lets
| > say
| > | > I
| > | > | >> | > created
| > | > | >> | > a
| > | > | >> | > | > | > folder called "JUNK". I used that folder to
| > temporarily
| > | > | >> place a
| > | > | >> | > bunch
| > | > | >> | > | > | > of things I find on my hard drive, which are
| > everything
| > | > from
| > | > | >> text,
| > | > | >> | > or
| > | > | >> | > | > | > Wordpad notes, to downloaded pictures, file
| > downloads,
| > | > etc.
| > | > | >> Then
| > | > | >> | > I
| > | > | >> | > | > | > begin sorting out the junk, and use winzip to open
| > many
| > | > of
| > | > | >> the
| > | > | >> | > | > | > downloads, and some photo viewer to look at the
| > pictures,
| > | > and
| > | > | >> | > Wordpad
| > | > | >> | > | > | > to look at many of the notes. ALL of these things
| > are
| > | > | >> documented
| > | > | >> | > in
| > | > | >> | > | > | > the registry. Wordpad, Winzip, Photo Viewers all
| > store
| > | > | >> "recently
| > | > | >> | > | > | > opened files".
| > | > | >> | > | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > | > Eventually I get everything put on a CD or other
| > media
| > | > and
| > | > I
| > | > | >> | > delete
| > | > | >> | > | > | > the "Junk" folder. Then I remove several of the
demo
| > | > | >> downloads
| > | > | >> I
| > | > | >> | > | > tried.
| > | > | >> | > | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > | > Running Regseeker finds multiple references to that
| > JUNK
| > | > | >> folder,
| > | > | >> | > | > | > references to Winzip, Wordpad, etc opening files,
and
| > | > many
| > | > | >> things
| > | > | >> | > | > | > relating to the demos I tried and removed. All of
| > that
| > | > is
| > | > | >> removed
| > | > | >> | > | > | > from the registry, thus keeping it small and clean.
| > Of
| > | > | >> course I
| > | > | >> | > | > | > always read what is being cleaned (removed). 99.9%
| > of
| > | > the
| > | > | >> time
| > | > | >> | > it's
| > | > | >> | > | > | > just this old stuff that is not needed or wanted.
| > | > | >> | > | > | >
| > | > | >> | > | > | > So how can you say that Reg cleaners are dangerous
| > and
| > | > should
| > | > | >> not
| > | > | >> | > be
| > | > | >> | > | > | > used.
| > | > | >> | > | > |
| > | > | >> | > | > | Because he (and a few others here) know what they're
| > | > talking
| > | > | >> about.
| > | > | >> | > | > |
| > | > | >> | > | > | > I do agree to be careful what is being removed, but
| > | > without
| > | > | >> | > | > | > them the registry will become a pile of useless
| > garbage.
| > | > | >> | > | > |
| > | > | >> | > | > | Nonsense.
| > --
| > MEB
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| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
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