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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1967c$482db435$7869@news.teranews.com>,
> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article <9a147$482db109$6723@news.teranews.com>,
>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> In article <21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com>,
>>>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretc
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> s-
>>>>>>>> four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple
>>>>>>>> Store
>>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - H
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> iz
>>>>>>>> ontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>>>>> desktop"?
>>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales figures
>>>>>> for software you can get for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>>>>> away for FREE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many more
>>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>>>> You keep saying this despite being presented reference after reference
>>>>> that shows that Apple's sales are growing faster than the industries...
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
>>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
>>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
>>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
>>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
>>>> 2007.
>>>>
>>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>>>>
>>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>>>>
>>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
>>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
>>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
>>>> quarter of 2008.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
>>>> of 2008
>>>>
>>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>>>>
>>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>>>>
>>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>>>>
>>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're welcome.
>>> And I do thank you!
>>>
>>> Your figures show that Apple is *far* outgrowing the industry.
>> The rest of the industry grew far more than the 0.35% Apple did between
>> the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008.
>
> Nope. By definition. If Apple's share of the market grew,

By 0.35%

> then the share
> of market held by non-Macs shrank.

By 0.35%

>>
>>> Apple: 51% growth year over year
>>> Overall: 12%.
>>> Source: Edwin!
>> Your source is wrong.
>
> LOL

Asshat.

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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

In article <44412$482db62b$8289@news.teranews.com>,
Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <1967c$482db435$7869@news.teranews.com>,
> > Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article <9a147$482db109$6723@news.teranews.com>,
> >>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>> In article <21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com>,
> >>>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre
> >>>>>>>> tc
> >>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>> s-
> >>>>>>>> four-city-blocks/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <quote>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
> >>>>>>>> Apple
> >>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
> >>>>>>>> early?
> >>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
> >>>>>>>> court
> >>>>>>>> while
> >>>>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
> >>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you
> >>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple
> >>>>>>>> Store
> >>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
> >>>>>>>> </quote>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Photo:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2
> >>>>>>>> 0H
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> iz
> >>>>>>>> ontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
> >>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
> >>>>>>> desktop"?
> >>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales
> >>>>>> figures
> >>>>>> for software you can get for free.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
> >>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
> >>>>>> away for FREE.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
> >>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
> >>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
> >>>>> You keep saying this despite being presented reference after reference
> >>>>> that shows that Apple's sales are growing faster than the industries...
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> >>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
> >>>> 2007.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
> >>>>
> >>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> >>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> >>>> quarter of 2008.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> >>>> of 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
> >>>>
> >>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You're welcome.
> >>> And I do thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Your figures show that Apple is *far* outgrowing the industry.
> >> The rest of the industry grew far more than the 0.35% Apple did between
> >> the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008.
> >
> > Nope. By definition. If Apple's share of the market grew,
>
> By 0.35%
>
> > then the share
> > of market held by non-Macs shrank.
>
> By 0.35%

Well at least you're no longer trying to compare Mac market share growth
to overall sales growth. That's progress of a sort.

>
> >>
> >>> Apple: 51% growth year over year
> >>> Overall: 12%.
> >>> Source: Edwin!
> >> Your source is wrong.
> >
> > LOL
>
> Asshat.

LOL

--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
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'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <76c1b$482db2a9$7370@news.teranews.com>,
> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article <e9a85$482db0a7$6723@news.teranews.com>,
>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>> "Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com...
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretc
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> s-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court
>>>>>>>> while pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
>>>>>>>> them about the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain.
>>>>>>>> Anyhoo, you might be interested to know that the line for the grand
>>>>>>>> opening of the Apple Store stretches a country mile! Four city blocks
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be precise.
>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - H
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> izontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>>>>> desktop"?
>>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales figures
>>>>>> for software you can get for free.
>>>>> Do you mean like free Firefox where there are plenty of figures to go
>>>>> around?
>>>> You mean that free Firefox that has a Linux version for the Linux nobody
>>>> is using?
>>>>
>>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> for FREE.
>>>>> So why are there so few takers?
>>>> There's enough takers for IBM, Sun, Red Hat and Ubuntu to offer it.
>>>>
>>>>> If iRiver gave away MP3 players for free how
>>>>> well do you think the iPod would sell?
>>>> That's an apples to oranges comparison.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many more
>>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>>>> Check again.
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
>>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
>>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
>>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
>>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
>>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
>>>> 2007.
>>>>
>>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>>>>
>>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>>>>
>>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
>>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
>>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>
>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
>>>> quarter of 2008.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
>>>> of 2008
>>>>
>>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>>>>
>>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>>>>
>>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>>>>
>>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
>>> Mac growth Q1'08: 51%
>>> Overall growth Q1'08: 12%
>>> Source: Edwin!
>> Who's Edwin, and when did he become an authoritative source for these
>> figures?
>
> Edwin is you and since you provided the figures, they must at least be
> authoritative for you.

Neither Edwin nor I provided the figures you posted, asshat.

You must be smoking pot again, like you said "upstanding citizens" do.

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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Glorb
<Glorb@orb.com>
wrote
on Fri, 16 May 2008 11:25:56 -0500
<5d479$482db594$8289@news.teranews.com>:
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Glorb
>> <Glorb@orb.com>
>> wrote
>> on Fri, 16 May 2008 09:59:29 -0500
>> <21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com>:
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court while
>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them about
>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might be
>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Photo:
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Horizontal 8x12300 dpi.jpg
>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>> desktop"?
>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales figures
>>> for software you can get for free.
>>
>> Correction: *accurate* market share sales.
>> marketshare.hitslink.com does have some figures (Linux
>> comes in at the ridiculously low 0.63%) but their
>> measurement method is slightly suspect, especially
>> since their homepage has an interesting correction
>> for April:
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/april.aspx
>>
>> To their credit, they identified and removed the offending
>> data on May 7th.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the link
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10
>>
>> which is related to
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8
>>
>> doesn't break out Linux kernel versions, damaging their credibility
>> (though in all fairness Linux kernel versions aren't easy to get
>> anyway, even if one has full request headers from Linux browsers).
>>
>> There's also that "Other" (1.91%). How much of that "Other" is
>> truly Windows, and how much is Linux masquerading as Windows?
>> Konqueror in particular can mimick IE as far as external
>> websites are concerned.
>>
>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>> away for FREE.
>>>
>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many more
>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>>
>>
>> The aforementioned marketshare.hitslink.com pegs them at 7.38%.
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
> 2007.
>
> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>
> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>
> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %

This is one of the reasons why hitslink's figures are
slightly suspect; 2.86% != 7.38%. It's worth noting,
however, that some time back hitslink's figures for Macs
were coming in at about 5%; Apple is therefore indeed
growing faster than the rest of the industry (otherwise
the percentage would simply not change).

>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> quarter of 2008.
>
> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> of 2008
>
> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>
> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>
> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>
> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
>

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Murphy was an optimist.
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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

In article <13df6$482db7aa$9041@news.teranews.com>,
Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <76c1b$482db2a9$7370@news.teranews.com>,
> > Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article <e9a85$482db0a7$6723@news.teranews.com>,
> >>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ezekiel wrote:
> >>>>> "Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com...
> >>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre
> >>>>>>>> tc
> >>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>> s-four-city-blocks/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <quote>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
> >>>>>>>> Apple
> >>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
> >>>>>>>> early?
> >>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
> >>>>>>>> court
> >>>>>>>> while pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody
> >>>>>>>> told
> >>>>>>>> them about the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain.
> >>>>>>>> Anyhoo, you might be interested to know that the line for the grand
> >>>>>>>> opening of the Apple Store stretches a country mile! Four city
> >>>>>>>> blocks
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> be precise.
> >>>>>>>> </quote>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Photo:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2
> >>>>>>>> 0H
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> izontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
> >>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
> >>>>>>> desktop"?
> >>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales
> >>>>>> figures
> >>>>>> for software you can get for free.
> >>>>> Do you mean like free Firefox where there are plenty of figures to go
> >>>>> around?
> >>>> You mean that free Firefox that has a Linux version for the Linux nobody
> >>>> is using?
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
> >>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
> >>>>>> away
> >>>>>> for FREE.
> >>>>> So why are there so few takers?
> >>>> There's enough takers for IBM, Sun, Red Hat and Ubuntu to offer it.
> >>>>
> >>>>> If iRiver gave away MP3 players for free how
> >>>>> well do you think the iPod would sell?
> >>>> That's an apples to oranges comparison.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
> >>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
> >>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
> >>>>> Check again.
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> >>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
> >>>> 2007.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
> >>>>
> >>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> >>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>>
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> >>>> quarter of 2008.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> >>>> of 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
> >>>>
> >>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
> >>> Mac growth Q1'08: 51%
> >>> Overall growth Q1'08: 12%
> >>> Source: Edwin!
> >> Who's Edwin, and when did he become an authoritative source for these
> >> figures?
> >
> > Edwin is you and since you provided the figures, they must at least be
> > authoritative for you.
>
> Neither Edwin nor I provided the figures you posted, asshat.

Yeah, you did.

<http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619>

That link says:

"Gartner Says Worldwide PC Market Grew 12 Percent in First Quarter of
2008"

And it provides the precise figures (in thousands):

Company 1Q08 Shipments 1Q07 Shipments 1Q08-1Q07 Growth (%)

Total 71,057 63,250 12.3


>
> You must be smoking pot again, like you said "upstanding citizens" do.

LOL

Sorry, Edwin, but I don't smoke pot.

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <44412$482db62b$8289@news.teranews.com>,
> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article <1967c$482db435$7869@news.teranews.com>,
>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> In article <9a147$482db109$6723@news.teranews.com>,
>>>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com>,
>>>>>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre
>>>>>>>>>> tc
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> s-
>>>>>>>>>> four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
>>>>>>>>>> early?
>>>>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
>>>>>>>>>> court
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple
>>>>>>>>>> Store
>>>>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2
>>>>>>>>>> 0H
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> iz
>>>>>>>>>> ontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>>>>>>> desktop"?
>>>>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales
>>>>>>>> figures
>>>>>>>> for software you can get for free.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>>>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>>>>>>> away for FREE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>>>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>>>>>> You keep saying this despite being presented reference after reference
>>>>>>> that shows that Apple's sales are growing faster than the industries...
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
>>>>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
>>>>>> 2007.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
>>>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
>>>>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
>>>>>> quarter of 2008.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
>>>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
>>>>>> of 2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're welcome.
>>>>> And I do thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Your figures show that Apple is *far* outgrowing the industry.
>>>> The rest of the industry grew far more than the 0.35% Apple did between
>>>> the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008.
>>> Nope. By definition. If Apple's share of the market grew,
>> By 0.35%
>>
>>> then the share
>>> of market held by non-Macs shrank.
>> By 0.35%
>
> Well at least you're no longer trying to compare Mac market share growth
> to overall sales growth.

Wrong again, asshat.

> That's progress of a sort.

Progression of your stupidity.

>>>>> Apple: 51% growth year over year
>>>>> Overall: 12%.
>>>>> Source: Edwin!
>>>> Your source is wrong.
>>> LOL
>> Asshat.
>
> LOL

Asshat.

--
"Facts are facts whether or not you or I can prove them." -- Alan Baker



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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <13df6$482db7aa$9041@news.teranews.com>,
> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>> In article <76c1b$482db2a9$7370@news.teranews.com>,
>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> In article <e9a85$482db0a7$6723@news.teranews.com>,
>>>>> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>> "Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com...
>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre
>>>>>>>>>> tc
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> s-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
>>>>>>>>>> early?
>>>>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
>>>>>>>>>> court
>>>>>>>>>> while pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody
>>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>> them about the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyhoo, you might be interested to know that the line for the grand
>>>>>>>>>> opening of the Apple Store stretches a country mile! Four city
>>>>>>>>>> blocks
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be precise.
>>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2
>>>>>>>>>> 0H
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> izontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>>>>>>> desktop"?
>>>>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales
>>>>>>>> figures
>>>>>>>> for software you can get for free.
>>>>>>> Do you mean like free Firefox where there are plenty of figures to go
>>>>>>> around?
>>>>>> You mean that free Firefox that has a Linux version for the Linux nobody
>>>>>> is using?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>>>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>> for FREE.
>>>>>>> So why are there so few takers?
>>>>>> There's enough takers for IBM, Sun, Red Hat and Ubuntu to offer it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If iRiver gave away MP3 players for free how
>>>>>>> well do you think the iPod would sell?
>>>>>> That's an apples to oranges comparison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>>>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>>>>>> Check again.
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
>>>>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
>>>>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
>>>>>> 2007.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
>>>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
>>>>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
>>>>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
>>>>>> quarter of 2008.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
>>>>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
>>>>>> of 2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
>>>>> Mac growth Q1'08: 51%
>>>>> Overall growth Q1'08: 12%
>>>>> Source: Edwin!
>>>> Who's Edwin, and when did he become an authoritative source for these
>>>> figures?
>>> Edwin is you and since you provided the figures, they must at least be
>>> authoritative for you.
>> Neither Edwin nor I provided the figures you posted, asshat.
>
> Yeah, you did.
>
> <http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619>
>
> That link says:
>
> "Gartner Says Worldwide PC Market Grew 12 Percent in First Quarter of
> 2008"
>
> And it provides the precise figures (in thousands):
>
> Company 1Q08 Shipments 1Q07 Shipments 1Q08-1Q07 Growth (%)
>
> Total 71,057 63,250 12.3

Why are you omitting three quarters of 2007, asshat?


>> You must be smoking pot again, like you said "upstanding citizens" do.
>
> LOL
>
> Sorry, Edwin, but I don't smoke pot.

Sure you do, asshat. You said upstanding citizens smoke pot. You must
be saying you're not one of those.

Asshat.

--
"Facts are facts whether or not you or I can prove them." -- Alan Baker



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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Alan Baker wrote:

> Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:

Stupid troll feeder.

*plonk*
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Glorb wrote:

>(SNIP)

*plonk*
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)


"Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
news:e9a85$482db0a7$6723@news.teranews.com...
> Ezekiel wrote:
>> "Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
>> news:21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com...
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>> Apple Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
>>>>> early? Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor
>>>>> food court while pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems
>>>>> nobody told them about the food chain and how humans are atop said
>>>>> food chain. Anyhoo, you might be interested to know that the line for
>>>>> the grand opening of the Apple Store stretches a country mile! Four
>>>>> city blocks to be precise.
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Photo:
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Horizontal 8x12300 dpi.jpg
>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>> desktop"?
>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales figures
>>> for software you can get for free.
>>
>> Do you mean like free Firefox where there are plenty of figures to go
>> around?
>
> You mean that free Firefox that has a Linux version for the Linux nobody
> is using?

That's nice but it has nothing to do with your claim that - "There's no
market share sales figures for software you can get for free."

The usage of a free product can certainly be measured. But the "you can't
measure linux" is a nice curtain to hide behind to avoid admitting the
truth.



>>
>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
>>> away for FREE.
>>
>> So why are there so few takers?
>
> There's enough takers for IBM, Sun, Red Hat and Ubuntu to offer it.

They all offer it on the server. Of these Red Hat (and Suse) recently
admitted that there's no desktop market for linux.



>> If iRiver gave away MP3 players for free how well do you think the iPod
>> would sell?
>
> That's an apples to oranges comparison.

Why? Because you say so and it doesn't support your linux conclusion?

Windows is a pay-for product and linux is free. Yet orders of magnitude more
people use Windows than linux.
The iPod is a pay-for product. If a free alternative existed would people
still buy the iPod? (Answer - Yes, only if the free alternative was
inferior.)


>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many more
>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
>>
>> Check again.
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year 2007.
>
> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>
> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>
> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> quarter of 2008.
>
> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> of 2008
>
> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>
> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>
> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>
> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%

That's one way of looking at it. But it's not the correct way. Unfortunately
for you, people who understand the numbers universally conclude that Apple
is very rapidly increasing marketshare.


Apple Riding a 51% Jump in Mac Sales
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/technology/24apple.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Buoyed by unusually strong Macintosh sales, the company grew notably
faster than the rest of the computer market worldwide in the first three
months of the year. Revenue increased 43 percent from the same period a year
ago, the company reported. Steven P. Jobs, Apple's chief executive,
characterized the quarter as the strongest in Apple's history




Other than your own mathematical ramblings, can you show a single reliable
source that backs up your conclusion? Or do you believe that the NY Times is
clueless and you are right?










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Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store alsoopens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store alsoopens (with photos)

On May 16, 6:20 am, Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <9a147$482db109$6...@news.teranews.com>,
> >  Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
>
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article <21719$482da152$1...@news.teranews.com>,
> >>>  Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
> >>>>>>http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre...
> >>>>>> s-
> >>>>>> four-city-blocks/
>
> >>>>>> <quote>
> >>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
> >>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
> >>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court
> >>>>>> while
> >>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you
> >>>>>> might
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple
> >>>>>> Store
> >>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
> >>>>>> </quote>
>
> >>>>>> Photo:
> >>>>>>http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>
> >>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
> >>>>>>http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2...
> >>>>>> iz
> >>>>>> ontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
> >>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>
> >>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
> >>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>
> >>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
> >>>>> desktop"?
> >>>> You answered your own question.   There's no market share sales figures
> >>>> for software you can get for free.
>
> >>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
> >>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
> >>>> away for FREE.
>
> >>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
> >>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
> >>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many more
> >>>> sales Apple makes.   That's because their sales increase is due to an
> >>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
> >>> You keep saying this despite being presented reference after reference
> >>> that shows that Apple's sales are growing faster than the industries....
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> >> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> >> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> >> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> >> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> >> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> >> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> >> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> >> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> >>      The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
> >>          2007.
>
> >>http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> >> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
>
> >> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
>
> >>          Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> >> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> >> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
>
> >>          The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> >>      quarter of 2008.
>
> >>http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> >> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> >> of 2008
>
> >> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
>
> >>          Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
>
> >>          Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
>
> >>                .0321 - .0286 =  0.0035%  or  0.35%
>
> >> You're welcome.
>
> > And I do thank you!
>
> > Your figures show that Apple is *far* outgrowing the industry.
>
> The rest of the industry grew far more than the 0.35% Apple did between
> the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008.
>
> > Apple: 51% growth year over year
> > Overall: 12%.
> > Source: Edwin!
>
> Your source is wrong.
>
> --
> "Facts are facts whether or not you or I can prove them." -- Alan Baker
>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Edwin, you are the one comparing apples to oranges. You are looking at
Apple's increase in market share (which you say is 0.35%), then trying
to say that the 0.35% is the increase in computers that Apple sold.
Actually, the valid comparison would be 0.35%(Apple's gain in market
share)/2.86% (Apple's previous market share)=12.23% gain in market
share.

Your welcome...
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:20:47 -0400, Rick wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court while
>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them about
>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might be
>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>> Photo:
>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Horizontal 8x12300 dpi.jpg
>>
>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>
>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>
>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>> desktop"?
>>
>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The bottom line is that you are a lying fudster.

So prove my statements above incorrect.
The BBC recently pegged Linuxat 0.8 percent.
The hitsink and w3schools sites seem to agree as do many other site stats.

Your "herd mentality" theory holds no water because firefox seems to be
doing well.

The Mac is growing faster than oany other platform.
Linux desktop is still languishing on life support at well below 1 percent.

So what do you have to offer other than baseless claims and insults, Rick?

Maybe you can get Roy Schestowitz to give you the phone numbers to those
"reliable sources" that live in his head and then at least you would have
*something* to say.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)


"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-D11208.09391116052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...

> Yeah, you did.
>
> <http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619>
>
> That link says:
>
> "Gartner Says Worldwide PC Market Grew 12 Percent in First Quarter of
> 2008"
>
> And it provides the precise figures (in thousands):
>
> Company 1Q08 Shipments 1Q07 Shipments 1Q08-1Q07 Growth (%)
>
> Total 71,057 63,250 12.3

Nice link. But the math....

Lets assume Vista has been out for 5 quarters and a 12% growth.

That makes about 347M PCs in the last 5 quarters.

Didn't Microsoft announce the 140M Vista recently?

That makes 207M PCs running something other than Vista in the last 5
quarters.
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:49:29 -0400, Rick wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:20:47 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court while
>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them about
>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might be
>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Photo:
>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Horizontal 8x12300 dpi.jpg
>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>>> desktop"?
>>>>
>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The bottom line is that you are a lying fudster.
>>
>> So prove my statements above incorrect.
>> The BBC recently pegged Linuxat 0.8 percent.
>> The hitsink and w3schools sites seem to agree as do many other site stats.
>>
>> Your "herd mentality" theory holds no water because firefox seems to be
>> doing well.
>
> It does hold water. Yes, Firefox usage is growing... after how many
> years? And, as more people start using it, more peope will start using it.

Nope.
The herd is still feeding on Internet Explororer.

You use the term one way to explain why people are NOT moving to Linux and
a different way to try and explain away why people ARE moving to firefox.


>>
>> The Mac is growing faster than oany other platform.
>
> That depends on how you meausre the growth... pure in crease in numbers,
> or percentage growth.
>
>> Linux desktop is still languishing on life support at well below 1 percent.
>>
>> So what do you have to offer other than baseless claims and insults, Rick?
>
> They aren't baseless.
>
>>
>> Maybe you can get Roy Schestowitz to give you the phone numbers to those
>> "reliable sources" that live in his head and then at least you would have
>> *something* to say.
>>
> maybe you can get Roy to take you out on a date, and then you might be
> able o get rid of your obsession with him.

I don't date gender benders.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 07:45:14 -0700, Moshe Goldfarb wrote
(in article <1mekkuvs5o9jl.831qpjr02vir.dlg@40tude.net>):

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches-f
>> our-city-blocks/
>>
>> <quote>
>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court
>> while
>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told them about
>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might
>> be
>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> Photo:
>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Horizo
>> ntal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>
> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>
> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
> year and has been for 10+ years.
>
> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
> desktop"?

(1) The "Comfort Apps" are missing.
(2) The Linux community has not been very good at promoting itself. Many
people still think that Linux is this geeky OS that requires a degree in
computer science to get up and running.
(3) Since Windows or OSX comes "free" and pre-installed on every computer one
buys, No one but enthusiasts sees any reason to dump a pre-installed OS that
has "real" software available for it in favor of an unknown OS that has,
essentially, none.

> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux and
> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.

See Above.
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:05:05 -0700, Ezekiel wrote
(in article <dbcc0$482da2a2$2055@news.teranews.com>):

>
> "Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
> news:21719$482da152$1576@news.teranews.com...
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretches
>>>> -four-city-blocks/
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street Apple
>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours early?
>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food court
>>>> while pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
>>>> them about the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain.
>>>> Anyhoo, you might be interested to know that the line for the grand
>>>> opening of the Apple Store stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to
>>>> be precise.
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Photo:
>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack - Hori
>>>> zontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>
>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of the
>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>
>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
>>> desktop"?
>>
>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales figures
>> for software you can get for free.
>
> Do you mean like free Firefox where there are plenty of figures to go
> around?
>
>
>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it away
>> for FREE.
>
> So why are there so few takers? If iRiver gave away MP3 players for free how
> well do you think the iPod would sell?

I suspect very well. There is a "comfort zone" of price that people are
willing to pay. "Free" is eyed as suspiciously (or perhaps more so) as is
"too expensive."
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)


"Glorb" <Glorb@orb.com> wrote in message
news:39077$482e106e$21948@news.teranews.com...
> Canuck57 wrote:
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-D11208.09391116052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>>
>>> Yeah, you did.
>>>
>>> <http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619>
>>>
>>> That link says:
>>>
>>> "Gartner Says Worldwide PC Market Grew 12 Percent in First Quarter of
>>> 2008"
>>>
>>> And it provides the precise figures (in thousands):
>>>
>>> Company 1Q08 Shipments 1Q07 Shipments 1Q08-1Q07 Growth (%)
>>>
>>> Total 71,057 63,250 12.3
>>
>> Nice link. But the math....
>>
>> Lets assume Vista has been out for 5 quarters and a 12% growth.
>>
>> That makes about 347M PCs in the last 5 quarters.
>>
>> Didn't Microsoft announce the 140M Vista recently?
>>
>> That makes 207M PCs running something other than Vista in the last 5
>> quarters.
>
> It couldn't be OSX, as Apple only sold about 4 million Macs in that same
> time.

Must be no OS or Linux. I hear Linux is hot in China and India. Lots of
people learning a real OS for the future.
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux storealso opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:43:08 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:45:28 -0500, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:01:50 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:49:29 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:20:47 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-
>> stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston
>>>>>>>> Street Apple Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up
>>>>>>>> four hours early? Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting
>>>>>>>> in an outdoor food court while pigeons buzz within inches of my
>>>>>>>> fragile body. Seems nobody told them about the food chain and how
>>>>>>>> humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might be interested
>>>>>>>> to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack%
20-
>> %20Horizontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day
>>>>>>> of the year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on
>>>>>>> the desktop"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to
>>>>>>> Linux and those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bottom line is that you are a lying fudster.
>>>>>
>>>>> So prove my statements above incorrect. The BBC recently pegged
>>>>> Linuxat 0.8 percent. The hitsink and w3schools sites seem to agree
>>>>> as do many other site stats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your "herd mentality" theory holds no water because firefox seems to
>>>>> be doing well.
>>>>
>>>> It does hold water. Yes, Firefox usage is growing... after how many
>>>> years? And, as more people start using it, more peope will start
>>>> using it.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>> The herd is still feeding on Internet Explororer.
>>>
>>> You use the term one way to explain why people are NOT moving to Linux
>>> and a different way to try and explain away why people ARE moving to
>>> firefox.
>>
>> Yup...
>> Ever watch flocks, herds and schools?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The Mac is growing faster than oany other platform.
>>>>
>>>> That depends on how you meausre the growth... pure in crease in
>>>> numbers, or percentage growth.
>>>>
>>>>> Linux desktop is still languishing on life support at well below 1
>>>>> percent.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you have to offer other than baseless claims and insults,
>>>>> Rick?
>>>>
>>>> They aren't baseless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you can get Roy Schestowitz to give you the phone numbers to
>>>>> those "reliable sources" that live in his head and then at least you
>>>>> would have *something* to say.
>>>>>
>>>> maybe you can get Roy to take you out on a date, and then you might
>>>> be able o get rid of your obsession with him.
>>>
>>> I don't date gender benders.
>>
>> You aact as if you are in love with him and depressed over his
>> rejection...
>
> I don't date gender benders.

You act as if you are in love with him and depressed over his rejection...



--
Rick
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:21:06 -0500, Rick wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:43:08 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:45:28 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:01:50 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:49:29 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:20:47 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-
>>> stretches-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston
>>>>>>>>> Street Apple Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up
>>>>>>>>> four hours early? Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting
>>>>>>>>> in an outdoor food court while pigeons buzz within inches of my
>>>>>>>>> fragile body. Seems nobody told them about the food chain and how
>>>>>>>>> humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you might be interested
>>>>>>>>> to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple Store
>>>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Photo:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack%
> 20-
>>> %20Horizontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
>>>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day
>>>>>>>> of the year and has been for 10+ years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on
>>>>>>>> the desktop"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to
>>>>>>>> Linux and those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bottom line is that you are a lying fudster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So prove my statements above incorrect. The BBC recently pegged
>>>>>> Linuxat 0.8 percent. The hitsink and w3schools sites seem to agree
>>>>>> as do many other site stats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your "herd mentality" theory holds no water because firefox seems to
>>>>>> be doing well.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does hold water. Yes, Firefox usage is growing... after how many
>>>>> years? And, as more people start using it, more peope will start
>>>>> using it.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>> The herd is still feeding on Internet Explororer.
>>>>
>>>> You use the term one way to explain why people are NOT moving to Linux
>>>> and a different way to try and explain away why people ARE moving to
>>>> firefox.
>>>
>>> Yup...
>>> Ever watch flocks, herds and schools?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac is growing faster than oany other platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> That depends on how you meausre the growth... pure in crease in
>>>>> numbers, or percentage growth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux desktop is still languishing on life support at well below 1
>>>>>> percent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do you have to offer other than baseless claims and insults,
>>>>>> Rick?
>>>>>
>>>>> They aren't baseless.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you can get Roy Schestowitz to give you the phone numbers to
>>>>>> those "reliable sources" that live in his head and then at least you
>>>>>> would have *something* to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>> maybe you can get Roy to take you out on a date, and then you might
>>>>> be able o get rid of your obsession with him.
>>>>
>>>> I don't date gender benders.
>>>
>>> You aact as if you are in love with him and depressed over his
>>> rejection...
>>
>> I don't date gender benders.
>
> You act as if you are in love with him and depressed over his rejection...

Schestowitz is a gnder bender.
He castrated himself for Linux.

That's all i need to hear.

I'm sure he will accept a gay lad like you Rick.....



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

Re: Thousands wait in line for new Apple store - New linux store also opens (with photos)

In article <5eede$482e0291$18663@news.teranews.com>,
Glorb <Glorb@orb.com> wrote:

> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > On May 16, 6:20 am, Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article <9a147$482db109$6...@news.teranews.com>,
> >>> Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
> >>>> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>> In article <21719$482da152$1...@news.teranews.com>,
> >>>>> Glorb <Gl...@orb.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:15:13 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stre
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> s-
> >>>>>>>> four-city-blocks/
> >>>>>>>> <quote>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
> >>>>>>>> Apple
> >>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
> >>>>>>>> early?
> >>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
> >>>>>>>> court
> >>>>>>>> while
> >>>>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
> >>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo, you
> >>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the Apple
> >>>>>>>> Store
> >>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
> >>>>>>>> </quote>
> >>>>>>>> Photo:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mg-0370.jpg
> >>>>>>>> Meanwhile the new linux store opens:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.friedmanarchives.com/British Columbia/images/Shack -%2
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> iz
> >>>>>>>> ontal%208x12300%20dpi.jpg
> >>>>>>> That's hysterical!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>> The bottom line is Linux is free for the taking every single day of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> year and has been for 10+ years.
> >>>>>>> So the question is, "Why is Linux not gaining any market share on the
> >>>>>>> desktop"?
> >>>>>> You answered your own question. There's no market share sales
> >>>>>> figures
> >>>>>> for software you can get for free.
> >>>>>> On can not help but be astounded by those who would mock and disparage
> >>>>>> those who are working hard to produce good Linux software and give it
> >>>>>> away for FREE.
> >>>>>>> Why are people willing to move from Windows to Mac but not to Linux
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> those that do try Linux don't last and dump Linux.
> >>>>>> Yet Mac Market share is still stuck at about 3% no matter how many
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> sales Apple makes. That's because their sales increase is due to an
> >>>>>> increase of the size of the market in general.
> >>>>> You keep saying this despite being presented reference after reference
> >>>>> that shows that Apple's sales are growing faster than the industries...
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/25results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 second quarter ended March 31, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,517,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html
> >>>> 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2007 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,164,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 first quarter ended December 29, 2007
> >>>> Apple shipped 2,319,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 7,764,000 Macs in calendar year
> >>>> 2007.
> >>>> http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 271.2 million units in 2007
> >>>> 7,764,000/271,200,000 = .0286
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for 2007 = 2.86 %
> >>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/23results.html
> >>>> fiscal 2008 second quarter ended March 29, 2008
> >>>> Q2'08 Apple shipped 2,289,000 Macintosh® computers
> >>>> The above shows Apple shipped 2,289, Macs in the first calender
> >>>> quarter of 2008.
> >>>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=648619
> >>>> Worldwide PC shipments totaled 71.1 million units in the first quarter
> >>>> of 2008
> >>>> 2,289,000/71,100,000 = .0321
> >>>> Mac worldwide market share for Q1'08 = 3.21%
> >>>> Mac gain in worldwide market share from 2007 to 2008 =
> >>>> .0321 - .0286 = 0.0035% or 0.35%
> >>>> You're welcome.
> >>> And I do thank you!
> >>> Your figures show that Apple is *far* outgrowing the industry.
> >> The rest of the industry grew far more than the 0.35% Apple did between
> >> the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2008.
> >>
> >>> Apple: 51% growth year over year
> >>> Overall: 12%.
> >>> Source: Edwin!
> >> Your source is wrong.
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Facts are facts whether or not you or I can prove them." -- Alan Baker
> >>
> >> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
> >
> > Edwin, you are the one comparing apples to oranges.
>
> I'm not doing that, Edwin.
>
> > You are looking at
> > Apple's increase in market share (which you say is 0.35%),
>
> An increase from 2.86% of the global market to 3.21% of the global
> market is an increase of 0.35% of the global market, Edwin.
>
> > then trying
> > to say that the 0.35% is the increase in computers that Apple sold.
>
> Yes, they increased their total share of the global market by 0.35%
>
> > Actually, the valid comparison would be 0.35%(Apple's gain in market
> > share)/2.86% (Apple's previous market share)=12.23% gain in market
> > share.
>
> No, the valid comparison would be to say their share was 2.86% of the
> global market, and now it's 3.21% of the global market. IOW, they
> gained an additional 0.35% of the global market.
>
> You're welcome, Edwin

Edwin, it is obvious that you are mathematically challenged, not to
mention logically challenged. I compared like to like, namely previous
market share to present market share, and showed that the Mac market
share increased >12%. Alan compared total computers sold vs total Macs
sold over time (again comparing like with like), and showed that the
number of Macs sold over time has increased approximately 4 times the
number of computers sold over the same period. We are both using figures
supplied by you. You are trying (unsuccessfully, I might add) to twist
these figures to show that Mac market share has not increased over time,
or that the market share increase has been minimal. You have failed.

Perhaps it is time you give up, or (more likely) find another nym you
can use. Though, you have been caught every time you tried the sock
puppet route.

--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
 

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