Windows Vista Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

[Canuck57]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 02:09:10 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:36:39 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nijmegen wrote:
>>>> The answer is: USERS (not manufacturers) should get the RETAIL
>>>> version, since you CAN'T reinstall the OEM version on another
>>>> motherboard!
>>
>> This, of course, is a bold-faced lie. Most of use know exactly the
>> opposite: one CAN reinstall the OEM version when a mother board has
>> been changed out.
>>
>> This has absolutely NOTHING to do with "can or can't", and EVERTHING to
>> do with "We won't let you".
>>
>>> Does the EULA say that? I know that the XP OEM generic version's EULA
>>> does NOT say that.
>>
>> Of course, it doesn't. NOR does the Vista OEM EULA. This is STRICTLY a
>> lie meant to discourage users from doing it.
>>
>> Or it is a misunderstanding caused by nubies posting to these groups.
>>
>>> Snip MS employee's opinion, which, of course, is useless because he,
>>> like Carey, is told to sell Vista retail anyway he can.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> You know, "Alias", we are usually at odds, but in this, I fully
>> concurr.
>>
>> These "rules"have absolutely nothing to do with "support". They have
>> EVERYTHING to do with Microsoft's "Bottom Line". 60G-bucks in the bank
>> is not enough money for them. They want MORE, and MORE, and MORE.
>>
>> And they want MORE AND MORE AND MORE control over OUR machines. Like
>> they will ever get it...
>>
>> Not as long as I am alive.
>>
>>
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>> =================================================
>
> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies breed
> complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming just another
> classic case.
>
> Alias

One could say with XP to Vista force feed:

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/WESAYSO

 

[Frank]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

Canuck57 wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 02:19:56 +0200, Alias wrote:
>
>
>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 22 May 2008 18:05:25 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Vote out Brendan Nelson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mick Murphy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>It is OK for you to install an OEM version and/or a Retail version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The difference between them is that the OEM version is tied to the
>>>>>>computer that it is 1st installed on; whereas with the Retail
>>>>>>Version, it can be transferred to another computer if the 1st comp
>>>>>>dies!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, with OEM versions, there is no support from microsoft. Any
>>>>>>probs(like stuff posted here), you have to solve yourself, or come
>>>>>>here,
>>>>>>When you think about it, just WHAT support does anybody get from MS
>>>>>>or Dell, HP, etc, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have transferred my OEM copy of Windows to a new Motherboard with
>>>>>all other components being the same. All that happened was I lost all
>>>>>my data on my Hard Drive. Had no problems with Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>>Was it a copy of Vista?
>>>>
>>>>Alias
>>>
>>>Could be, I read somewhere MS purges the registration data ever 120
>>>days or so. So if you registered it say in March 2007. It would be
>>>cear to re-register today. Or something like that.
>>
>>That's true for XP, not sure about Vista.
>>
>>Alias
>
>
> When I got Vista, first thing I did was to make recovery DVDs. Usually
> make dual sets in case. Then I swapped out hard drives, and practised a
> recovery and to verify the burn.
>
> Worked good. But when I put the original back in, got a weird boot and
> possibly license related. But a reboot fixed it. I knew it wasn't me as
> I removed the original Vista HD...to be sure. But after the reboot, it
> worked correctly. But haven't booted Vista in 4 weeks. Keeping it in
> case MS ever fixes it.


What a fukkin POS lying linux loser you are!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:25:14 -0700, Frank <fb@sto.clm> wrote:


>What a fukkin POS lying linux loser you are!
>Frank


Above line has been repeated by Frank 4,674 times... so far.

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Thu, 22 May 2008 22:18:59 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:25:14 -0700, Frank <fb@sto.clm> wrote:
>
>
[snipped]
>
>
>Above line has been repeated by Frank 4,674 times... so far.

Add your useless quote of hiis obscenity-filled rant, and that would
be 4,675 times, Adam... so far.


Donald L McDaniel
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=================================================

 

[Frank]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

Donald L McDaniel wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 22:18:59 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:25:14 -0700, Frank <fb@sto.clm> wrote:
>>
>>
>
> [snipped]
>
>>
>>Above line has been repeated by Frank 4,674 times... so far.
>
>
> Add your useless quote of hiis obscenity-filled rant, and that would
> be 4,675 times, Adam... so far.
>
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> =================================================

hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
Frank

 

[Not Me]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
> Frank

I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at least
not in moist states...

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 01:53:21 -0600, "Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net>
wrote:

>> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at least
>not in moist states...

Frank is obsessed with all animals that have four legs and make loud
noises. Two of Frank's favorites are pigs squealing and lambs
bahhhing. Frank spends most of his day daydreaming about having sex
with animals.

This sad situation started when Frank was only five and his mommy took
him too the San Diego Zoo. Like all children Frank wanted to see and
pet the animals and watch them doing what animals do.

Here's a picture of Frank reaching out:
http://www.nrvfaironline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/zoo_495.jpg

A few minutes later Frank saw this happening:
http://www.all-animals.com/images/shlamb.jpg

Then this:
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/835/975148.JPG

And finally this:
http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/horses/fr-draught-Horses-Breeding.jpg

Ever since that eventful day Frank has been turned on by sheep, pigs
and horses and tries hard to duplicate what he saw that day many years
ago.

Frank living in San Diego still goes to the zoo as often as he can and
spends most of his time watching monkeys since they remind him of his
family, especially his Uncle Phil.

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/NAN1404.jpg

 

[Frank]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

Not Me wrote:

>> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>
> I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at
> least not in moist states...

You'll have to ask mr drunken pig about that seeing as how he's the one
who has all of the pics and videos of animals and he is the one posting
them to this ng.
He seems to have quite a collection doesn't he?
He seems to be proud of them!...LOL!
You just gotta wonder what other pics he has in his "collection!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:19:40 -0700, Frank <fb@tpi.olm> wrote:

>Not Me wrote:
>
>>> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at
>> least not in moist states...
>
>You'll have to ask mr drunken pig about that seeing as how he's the one
>who has all of the pics and videos of animals and he is the one posting
>them to this ng.

>He seems to have quite a collection doesn't he?
>He seems to be proud of them!...LOL!
>You just gotta wonder what other pics he has in his "collection!
>Frank

Memo to the moron known as Frank.

All the photos you want:

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=fools

Just type in what you're looking for like I just did, fool, and guess
who popped up. You did.

 

[upyurbuttoo]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:0j0e34l9fc5dpmcesu2jfoo8jk9acoqbcf@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:19:40 -0700, Frank <fb@tpi.olm> wrote:
>
>>Not Me wrote:
>>
>>>> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at
>>> least not in moist states...
>>
>>You'll have to ask mr drunken pig about that seeing as how he's the one
>>who has all of the pics and videos of animals and he is the one posting
>>them to this ng.
>
>>He seems to have quite a collection doesn't he?
>>He seems to be proud of them!...LOL!
>>You just gotta wonder what other pics he has in his "collection!
>>Frank
>
> Memo to the moron known as Frank.
>
> All the photos you want:
>
> http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=fools
>
> Just type in what you're looking for like I just did, fool, and guess
> who popped up. You did.
>

yuk yuk yuk, you so funny

 

[Frank]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

upyurbuttoo wrote:

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:0j0e34l9fc5dpmcesu2jfoo8jk9acoqbcf@4ax.com...
>
>>On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:19:40 -0700, Frank <fb@tpi.olm> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not Me wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at
>>>>least not in moist states...
>>>
>>>You'll have to ask mr drunken pig about that seeing as how he's the one
>>>who has all of the pics and videos of animals and he is the one posting
>>>them to this ng.
>>
>>>He seems to have quite a collection doesn't he?
>>>He seems to be proud of them!...LOL!
>>>You just gotta wonder what other pics he has in his "collection!
>>>Frank
>>
>>Memo to the moron known as Frank.
>>
>>All the photos you want:
>>
>>http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=fools
>>
>>Just type in what you're looking for like I just did, fool, and guess
>>who popped up. You did.
>>
>
>
> yuk yuk yuk, you so funny
>
>
That drunken fool, mr pig, just doesn't get it...LOL!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:17:24 -0400, "upyurbuttoo"
<upyurbuttoo@upyurbuttoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> All the photos you want:
>>
>> http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=fools
>>
>> Just type in what you're looking for like I just did, fool, and guess
>> who popped up. You did.
>>
>
>yuk yuk yuk, you so funny
>

Frank (on left) with Bill toasting their planned marriage:

http://www.stylelookalikes.co.uk/images/characterImages/fools1.jpg

 

[measekite]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?



Frank wrote:
> upyurbuttoo wrote:
>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:0j0e34l9fc5dpmcesu2jfoo8jk9acoqbcf@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:19:40 -0700, Frank <fb@tpi.olm> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not Me wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> hehehe...I do own and control that fat little drunken pig!...LOL!
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think bestiality was legal even if you owned the animal...at
>>>>> least not in moist states...
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to ask mr drunken pig about that seeing as how he's the
>>>> one
>>>> who has all of the pics and videos of animals and he is the one
>>>> posting
>>>> them to this ng.
>>>
>>>> He seems to have quite a collection doesn't he?
>>>> He seems to be proud of them!...LOL!
>>>> You just gotta wonder what other pics he has in his "collection!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Memo to the moron known as Frank.
>>>
>>> All the photos you want:
>>>
>>> http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=fools
>>>
>>> Just type in what you're looking for like I just did, fool, and guess
>>> who popped up. You did.
>>>
>>
>>
>> yuk yuk yuk, you so funny
>>
> That drunken fool, mr pig, just doesn't get it...LOL!
> Frank
Hey shmuck. You are getting boring. Don;t you have anything new.

 

[GorkusPuss]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

Alias wrote:
>
> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies breed
> complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming just another
> classic case.
>
> Alias


Actually no one has really been attracted to Linux, must be because Linux has just become
another product customers have breed disdain for.

- GorkusPuss

 

[Alias]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

GorkusPuss wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>>
>> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies
>> breed complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming just
>> another classic case.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Actually no one has really been attracted to Linux, must be because
> Linux has just become another product customers have breed disdain for.
>
> - GorkusPuss

Your premise is false. Millions are downloading Ubuntu and happily using it.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

Alias wrote:
> GorkusPuss wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies
>>> breed complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming
>>> just another classic case.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually no one has really been attracted to Linux, must be because
>> Linux has just become another product customers have breed disdain for.
>>
>> - GorkusPuss
>
>
> Your premise is false. Millions are downloading Ubuntu and happily using
> it.
>
> Alias
Liar!
Frank

 

[measekite]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?



Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GorkusPuss wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies
>>>> breed complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming
>>>> just another classic case.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually no one has really been attracted to Linux, must be because
>>> Linux has just become another product customers have breed disdain for.
>>>
>>> - GorkusPuss
>>
>>
>> Your premise is false. Millions are downloading Ubuntu and happily
>> using it.
>>
>> Alias
> _Liar!
> Frank _
We all know that.

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Sat, 24 May 2008 12:21:23 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>GorkusPuss wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>> Which is one of the more attractive things about Linux. Monopolies
>>> breed complacency and disdain for one's customers. MS is becoming just
>>> another classic case.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Actually no one has really been attracted to Linux, must be because
>> Linux has just become another product customers have breed disdain for.
>>
>> - GorkusPuss
>
>Your premise is false. Millions are downloading Ubuntu and happily using it.
>
>Alias

Friend, what I would like to know is: WHERE are all these "millions"
of users of Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro)?

Even then, the few million using Linux out of the hundreds of millions
who use computers are statistically meaningless.


Donald L McDaniel
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[Donald L McDaniel]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 00:24:50 GMT, Canuck57
<dave8762@nospam-please.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:38:32 -0700, Donald L McDaniel wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:36:39 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Nijmegen wrote:
>>>> The answer is: USERS (not manufacturers) should get the RETAIL
>>>> version, since you CAN'T reinstall the OEM version on another
>>>> motherboard!
>>
>> This, of course, is a bold-faced lie. Most of use know exactly the
>> opposite: one CAN reinstall the OEM version when a mother board has been
>> changed out.
>>
>> This has absolutely NOTHING to do with "can or can't", and EVERTHING to
>> do with "We won't let you".
>>
>>
>>>Does the EULA say that? I know that the XP OEM generic version's EULA
>>>does NOT say that.
>>
>> Of course, it doesn't. NOR does the Vista OEM EULA. This is STRICTLY a
>> lie meant to discourage users from doing it.
>>
>> Or it is a misunderstanding caused by nubies posting to these groups.
>>
>>
>>>Snip MS employee's opinion, which, of course, is useless because he,
>>>like Carey, is told to sell Vista retail anyway he can.
>>>
>>>Alias
>>
>> You know, "Alias", we are usually at odds, but in this, I fully concurr.
>>
>> These "rules"have absolutely nothing to do with "support". They have
>> EVERYTHING to do with Microsoft's "Bottom Line". 60G-bucks in the bank
>> is not enough money for them. They want MORE, and MORE, and MORE.
>>
>> And they want MORE AND MORE AND MORE control over OUR machines. Like
>> they will ever get it...
>>
>> Not as long as I am alive.
>>
>>
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>> =================================================
>
>Depends.
>
>Microsoft needs our votes to continue. Votes we cast when we buy a PC
>with OEM, or buy a package. If people continue to buy MS, then we will
>get more DRM, HDMI and nasties.

Hmmm. perhaps we need MORE of this, not LESS. Anyway, DRM is part of
computing in a "Laize-Faire" economy.

Get used to it. Even Apple's "DRM-FREE" downloads are not really
"DRM-FREE", since they can be used to identify the one who downloads
them.

>
>If we don't buy then MS becomes a paper tiger.

If we don't buy, we don't have a computer, do we?

>And anyone who says Microsoft does not control their PC to some extent
>must be firewalled or disconnected off the Internet. Or of course,
>running a Linux, BSD or Solaris.

Does it really matter? I used Apples for a couple of years. Rather
than Microsoft controling my PC, Apple did. Now that I don't,
Microsoft does.

It's really "six of one, half-a-dozen of another."

>FYI, you can control a PC with a simple one packet seemingly innocuous
>DNS call.

Been there, done that, got the Tee-Shirt and Poster.

>While I personally do not vet my Linux code, I do know far more open eyes
>have vetted Linux for back doors and have more faith as a result.

But HOW MANY Of those who "vetted Linux for back doors" were doing so
in order to take CONTROL of those "back doors?"

NO thanks. "The devil I know is better than the demon I don't".


Donald L McDaniel
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[Donald L McDaniel]

Re: Is Windows VISTA -->OEM<-- ONLY for manufacturers?

On Wed, 21 May 2008 06:23:20 -0400, "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org>
wrote:

>Essentially there is no practical limit. The license specifies only that you
>can install a single installation to a device. The "device" itself is not
>specified as any particular piece of hardware, so if you swap out parts for
>newer ones on occasion you will be able to reactive (by phone generally,
>which can be time consuming) as long as you don't install with that license
>to a second system. There's a lot of leeway built into it when it comes to
>the definition of it being the same system.

Actually, Rick, it is up to the Activation "Technicians", since they
appear to have CONSIDERABLE leeway.

I've had more than a single copy of XP reactivated when it technically
shouldn't have been, if the techs were doing what they were supposed
to.

>
>The intent of the OEM license is that it is tied to the original hardware it
>is installed and activated on, but in practice it doesn't hold up quite like
>that.

I fully agree. In fact, after 120 days from original Activation, the
Server wipes one's activation record, and for all intents and
purposes, that one license appears to have never been activated
before. So there really is no way for Microsoft to tell whether any
one license has been activated on a different machine, or the number
of times it has been activated.

>More important is the support aspect, as it falls to the system
>builder and not Microsoft. In the case of someone purchasing and installing
>an OEM license copy, it means they are responsible for their own support.

Sorry, friend, but Activation of the OS is NOT done by the OEM, unless
one of their images are pre-activated in the factory. But the actual
activation is done through a Microsoft server, not the OEM.

In fact, about the ONLY support major OEMs give is hardware-related,
not OS-related.

>The price difference is due in part to this fact, as Microsoft does not have
>to incorporate potential support costs into it.

Actually they DO have to support OEM software, to an extent:
They do promise free phone support until the OS is activated, and any
other time it needs to be activated, as well as free security and
other updates such as Service Packs.

That small window is large enough to cost Microsoft beau-coup bucks.

Personally, I sometimes think that the price differential between a
Retail copy of their OS and an OEM copy is caused by the Market
itself, rather than support costs. Microsoft simply can't sell enough
"Retail Boxed" products to keep their bottom line attractive-enough
for its investors.

A "FULL OEM" copy of a Microsoft OS can do EVERYTHING a Retail copy
can do EXCEPT do an "Upgrade" installation.

Support? Who cares about support? Microsoft has only supported me
ONCE, when I bought a non-fuctional Desktop set from them, in which
case they replaced the set with a functioning (but lesser quality)
one.

I don't look to either Microsoft or the Computer Manufacturer to
support me. I support myself. Anyone else can do this, IF they are
willing to take the time to LEARN about Microsoft Windows and their
hardware.



Donald L McDaniel
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