Re: What is Quick Time
Re: What is Quick Time
Let's just end this with a fact:
Microsoft is attempting to foster open source for its proposed newer
operating systems... think you can guess WHY... and that pretty much ends
any debate about just how good XP and Vista are....
Sorry not really in this type of debating mood at the moment, still stuck
in Legal mode [local and distant]...
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| "MEB" <meb@not
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| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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| > | "MEB" <meb@not
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| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:%23k1oCnOwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Windows XP is no more a POS than 98. I don't use Vista so I can't
| > | > comment,
| > | > | but I imagine it's the same thing, though I tend to think of Vista
| > as
| > | > XP's
| > | > | ME. As for your hardware argument, that's total BS. Windows 98
lost
| > it's
| > | > | market share (dropped into the low single-digits) long before new
| > | > hardware
| > | > | stopped supporting it.
| > | > |
| > | > | People LIKE operating systems that just work. Windows XP is and
| > always
| > | > has
| > | > | been more robust than 98. That's why IT people like it (go ahead,
| > show
| > | > me
| > | > a
| > | > | survey of IT's where 98 is compared favorably with other systems.)
| > | > That's
| > | > | why home users and SOHO users and everyone else like XP. As for
| > | > security,
| > | > | the only difference between now on XP and then on 98 is in the
| > details.
| > | >
| > | > IT goes for what's EASY to use, what seems to be hot, and are just
as
| > | > easily mislead as any other party.
| > | > Just as the home user THOUGHT they were getting a much more secure
| > system,
| > | > so did IT. Just as the home user doesn't want to spend much time
| > learning
| > | > how to use a computer, so does IT.
| > | > The relational charcturistics between home and IT or other
| > professionals
| > | > runs parallel. Look on the one hand at IT trying to secure their
| > systems,
| > | > and the other; the web development department attempting to create
new
| > | > ways
| > | > to garner more information via script and other... how smart is
this.
| > |
| > | And your point is? What you describe is how it's always been, and in
| > fact
| > I
| > | DO say that XP makes ALL of those tasks easier. And what makes you
think
| > | that IT or home users consider Security the main consideration when
| > | purchasing a new system? If they know anything, they know it's a
| > constant
| > | battle no matter what system you're using, particularly if it's the OS
| > that
| > | has 80% of the market and makes such a nice big target. They rely upon
| > MS
| > | and third parties to protect their systems. If they are just as savvy
in
| > | other things, they'll never have to deal with malware. I certainly
| > don't,
| > | and only one or two recalcitrants amongst my clientelle have any
serious
| > | problems with their XP systems once I give them "the talk". On the
other
| > | hand, I have a few 9x clients left, and they are STILL calling me
every
| > few
| > | months, asking if I can come and clean up some mess.
| >
| > Due to>>>> their improper use, same for XP. Because they can't take the
| > time to learn what they are doing..
| > I referenced what was occurring years ago {1992} its called
Stupification
| > [yeah that's mis-spelled.
|
| Why should every car driver be a mechanic (I shudder to think...) Should
| every eater also be a full time farmer? What chaos! Computers are
| appliances, nothing more. They feed the needs of society, not the reverse.
| They just need to work in the real world, and only the *heavily*
restricted
| Apple offerings do that better than Windows PCs.
|
| > |
| > | > The market you reference, showing usage reflects only that people
CAN
| > be
| > | > convinced to use products which they actually know nothing about,
just
| > | > because its easier to use and happens to be widely accepted, and
| > hardware
| > | > support has NOT been provided in the previous OS, though much of it
| > could
| > | > have been by simple updates.... so it isn't necessarily a
| > | > better/easier/just
| > | > works OS, its a forced upgrade to get what you want or think you
need,
| > or
| > | > does some more setup FOR YOU.
| > |
| > | Blah, blah. The consumer market tends to buy what's new when they look
| > for
| > | replacements after a few years of using the old one. That's capitalism
| > for
| > | you, not a reasonable comparison of OSes. Again, that's the way it's
| > always
| > | been, and Luddite is the term for people who refuse to participate.
| > Wanna
| > be
| > | a Luddite, OK, but the above is a false argument if you're comparing
the
| > | OSes on their own merits. When it comes to a decision between XP and
98
| > (and
| > | I'm talking about when XP first came out): Hardware support and
| > installation
| > | is a snap. BSODs are rare, (yes, even in those early days.) After the
| > | nightmares in Win9x and NT4 (even Win2K) up to that point in time,
just
| > | those two items probably sold half the units. The whole point is that
| > for
| > | most people, they can run Windows without any major problems, with
about
| > as
| > | much learning involved as most people can stand, and the support is
| > second
| > | only to Apple. People who don't trust Windows use Apple, which has its
| > own
| > | multitude of drawbacks. Just who is going to support your Linux
distros.
| >
| > DUUUUUUUHHHHH, the people who work with it, write the drivers, produce
the
| > applications,, THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD... seems that's like in here and
on
| > the XP and VISTA suport forums, only in those Linux groups you're likely
| > discussing the issues with the actual programmer [error, okay wait
minute
| > I
| > think I know what needs changed,,, okay try this and see if that
corrects
| > the issue *or* that particular chip has a bug in it, I can't fix it
| > without
| > breaking others, but here's a work around Bob worked out which addresses
| > it].......
|
| Have you ever learned the concept of scale? What happens when your distro
| writer gets sick, or just sick of people, or even dead? I know, you'll say
| that if the distro has "legs" it will develop a decent cadre of people
| willing to help with it, but will there also be an ever widening circle of
| happy *programmers* ready to do the same? Or will we pay them via PayPal?
|
| The Linux concept may some day mature (though I personally think it has
some
| fatal flaws), but that day is still far off. Until then, Windows is it.
|
| > SO where's your ludite comparison now... in the toilet... being one of
the
| > cattle has never been my strong suit.
|
| Luddite is the perfect word. Your entire spiel brings to mind
clippety-clop
| music and horse & carriage, though nicely pastoral, scenes (I'm an
American,
| after all). Whether you "moo" or not is up to you.
|
| > And YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH, they can *barely* run Windows, until they mess
| > something up, or Microsoft breaks something in one of is updates [as
| > usual]///// and then we try to help, like we like to do.
|
| If you lived in the real world, you'd know that you just reaffirmed my
| entire thesis. IME, once they learn the basics, MOST people don't need
much
| programming/hardware help with their Windows XP systems. Not from other
| people. Certainly not as much as they need(ed) with Win9x, by orders of
| magnitude. And, again by orders of magnitude, not nearly as much as any
| other OS -- except Mac, because you pay through the nose for stability.
|
| > | > If they actually knew much or had an actual desire to learn, they'd
be
| > | > using one of the Linux clones or other OS. Were it not for the DEEP
| > | > relationship with manufacturers that Microsoft now has, Windows
| > wouldn't
| > | > be
| > | > anywhere near the usage level that it is; between the two FORCING
| > Windows
| > | > usage
| > |
| > | Hey, you seem to know a lot. Why are you using Windows? You've got so
| > many
| > | other choices and you already KNOW that all versions of Windows are
POS.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > |
www.grystmill.com
| >
| > Right, the usual "well you're running Windows" so STF, but I also ran
| > Linux, Xenix, and several other OSs... but I suppose I'm supposed to be
a
| > mindless Windows junky, blindly following the masses, lauding the
VIRTUES
| > of
| > the newest release or whatever is the supposed best version. Don't you
see
| > the comparison to what's occurring now,,, the resistence to move to
VISTA,
| > the spouting of the VALUE of XP as it draws near to support end, its
| > already
| > marked for death,,, how can you FAIL to see the comparison to 98 and
what
| > occurred... what then, spouting how VISTA is now the OS of choice,the
| > super
| > sophisicated, unfailingly superior,, or maybe the new Version 7,, yep...
| > ride that train, or stand back and look at what is occurring
|
| Hey, I just figured you'd have much better places to be. Where you could
| help other users with your *preferred* OS/distro. Sheesh! My question was
| serious: If Windows is such a POS in general, why do you devote so much
time
| to it? Now that I think about it, and from what you've said, I can't
believe
| you actually run it. You wouldn't be that, er, imprudent. But... then....
|
| Vista will be passed over much like ME, and for much the same reasons,
| though perhaps with a better numbers showing than ME, even in relative
| terms. It's a mongrel. Can't really DO anything that XP can't, and what
they
| DID add that isn't just eye-candy, what they actually did at the system
| level, they did very poorly, and I'm not talking about the kinds of things
| you fix with a patch or even an SP. XP Professional can certainly handle
| basic hardware developments for some time to come.
|
| The next Windows system will, as I said, have to be an entirely new
| paradigm. If it can't be that, we may as well stay with WinXP or switch
| provider altogether. But any replacement for Microsoft will have to deal
| with scale and capitalism* as well as Microsoft. Got any candidates?
|
| (*Mass capitalism, where "easy" and "convenient" are the ruling paradigms,
| not "cheap" and certainly not "quality". In fact, now that I think about
it,
| your notions are more than a little communistic, and while I won't debate
| you capitalism vs. communism (we'd probably agree too much to make the
| conversation worth it), we live in a raw, capitalistic world.)
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
www.grystmill.com
|
|
| > | > | As for security, the main issues involve IE and OE and if Win9x
was
| > | > | supported, they'd be getting just as many patches. As for other
| > things
| > | > that
| > | > | needed fixing, 9x had just as many in relative terms.
| > | > |
| > | > | Look, ANY argument that compares OS security and DOESN'T take into
| > | > account
| > | > | market share, the "biggest bang for the buck" operational theory
of
| > | > malware
| > | > | writers, etc., is pure sophistry.
| > | > |
| > | > | And you didn't deny my original premise, did you?
| > | >
| > | > It wouldn't do any good, but I can see you would be willing to
defend
| > your
| > | > position, I knew you would ;-]..
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > |
www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not
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| > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that
| > format
| > in
| > | > | > some
| > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to
foster
| > the
| > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its just
so
| > | > good
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
difficult
| > to
| > | > find
| > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows choice
| > as
| > | > XP,
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage
spewed
| > by
| > | > | > media
| > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which I
| > DID
| > | > spend
| > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, look
| > HERE:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB
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| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING installed
on
| > it
| > | > at
| > | > | > one
| > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their
| > | > | > branding/helpful
| > | > | > | software, etc.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something?
After
| > all,
| > | > | > what
| > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98
itself.
| > In
| > | > | > fact,
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might actually
| > | > listen.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > |
www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not
here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some
time.
| > It
| > | > is
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
| > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not
| > allow
| > | > it
| > | > | > access
| > | > | > | > to the Internet.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this for
| > you?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
| > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate
| > says
| > it
| > | > was
| > | > | > | > critical that I
| > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time,
and
| > I
| > | > don't
| > | > | > even
| > | > | > | > remember what
| > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and
*.mp4
| > | > files,
| > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will
also
| > get
| > | > you
| > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes (whether
| > you
| > | > have
| > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
| > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
| > | > | > | > |
Slattery_T@bls.gov
| > | > | > | > |
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
| >
| > --
| > MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
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