Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| Simple solution: In Run
| DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt
|
| I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command.
He'd have to go to A:\-- in order to get it to the machine that still
works to post it. Also, using /a will list hidden & system files too, if
any...
DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s /a > A:\ProgDir.txt
OK, thanks. But let's hope it doesn't come to this!
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| Gary S. Terhune
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| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform
|> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a
|> | bit about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you
|> | can usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a
|> | degree to know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the
|> | contents of a folder, of course, would help even more.
|>
|> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the
|> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go
|> look & report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names
|> in this particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run
|> for the Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me
|> about that-- in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for
|> your poodles to reach or are murdered by MEB!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |
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|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"
|> |> |
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806
|> |> |
|> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).
|> |>
|> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted
|> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control
|> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a
|> |> Master Post!
|> |>
|> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an
|> |> | uninstaller in the program's folder.
|> |>
|> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style
|> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have
|> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile
|> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular
|> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.
|> |>
|> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to
|> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or
|> |> | even install it again to see if it works this time... Except,
|> |> | I'm betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the
|> |> | Optus instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and
|> |> | 98SE. But the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE
|> |> | as minimum. Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on
|> |> | a 98 Gold machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the
|> |> | device. The interface was identical to that shown on Optus.
|> |> | Anyway, all the places I saw it discussed in forums that might
|> |> | relate to a Win98FE situation suggest that it doesn't work very
|> |> | well, if at all.
|> |>
|> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did
|> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is
|> |> that like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine--
|> |> BUT that was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly--
|> |> once he clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times
|> |> clicking something else first!
|> |>
|> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To
|> |> | know much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual
|> |> | software Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens
|> |>
|> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a
|> |> WinFile Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS
|> |> names!
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |
http://grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up,
|> |> |> | and a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet
|> |> |> | going to Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was
|> |> |> | installing when the machine crashed might help the most.
|> |> |> | THEN, if there are still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the
|> |> |> | reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause
|> |> |> | a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a few patches
|> |> |> | be reinstalled at WU.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can
|> |> |> boot to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how
|> |> |> to get to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he
|> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under
|> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when
|> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still
|> |> |> | needs to fix that borrowed computer.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory
|> |> |> character & gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have
|> |> |> disappeared from this NG for less!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> |
http://grystmill.com
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:
|> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So
|> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins
|> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,
|> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state
|> |> |> |> | on disc that can run on 98.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or
|> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,
|> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem
|> |> |> |> un/re-installed.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may
|> |> |> |> as well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB
|> |> |> |> site, which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version
|> |> |> |> of IE...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,
|> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that
|> |> |> |> file's LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the
|> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or
|> |> |> |> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you
|> |> |> |> complete this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows
|> |> |> |> Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and
|> |> |> |> Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW
|> |> |> |> keys to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the
|> |> |> |> ENTER key.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of
|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists
|> |> |> |> "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the third line in
|> |> |> |> the file.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The
|> |> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes...
|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the
|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the
|> |> |> |> requestor.)
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it
|> |> |> |> starts into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in
|> |> |> |> the left hand window to open the Program Files folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open
|> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open
|> |> |> |> the Setup folder.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in
|> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet
|> |> |> |> Explorer has not been updated and a previous version of
|> |> |> |> Internet Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this
|> |> |> |> method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the
|> |> |> |> URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an
|> |> |> |> over-install of IE.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup
|> |> |> |> window, click OK.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore
|> |> |> |> the previous version of Internet Explorer.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart
|> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup
|> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals.
|> |> |> |> If you complete this
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is
|> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up
|> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW
|> |> |> |> keys to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:
|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini
|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of
|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists
|> |> |> |> "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the third line in
|> |> |> |> the file.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the
|> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The
|> |> |> |> line should list the following:
|> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes...
|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.
|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.
|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the
|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the
|> |> |> |> requestor.)
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing
|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be
|> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When
|> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an
|> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You
|> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform
|> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet
|> |> |> |> Explorer again.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191
|> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You
|> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion
|> |> |> |> to an earlier IE, IF that option is present.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174
|> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I
|> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> | --
|> |> |> |> | partymarty4870
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |>
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|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>
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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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