Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

1: Windows XP is still for sale

http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1


2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed


3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available

Others?

 

[Hobbes]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>
> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
>
> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
>
> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> Others?

Because it takes you 4 months to raise the funds to buy Vista ?

Because your Mom said ... "No, I will not give you $100"

 

[Carl]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Because your archaic relic PC has no mission of running it?

 

[kevpan815]

RE: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time



"cheley_bonstell88@live.com" wrote:

>
>
> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
1.= Not 4 Long: (Monday, June 30th, 2008, Is The Drop Dead Date), Just FYI.
>
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
>
> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also
Just FYI).
>
> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> Others?
>
3.= Sure Apple And Linux Are Reliable, But Some Programs Like IE 7, Office
2007, Windows One Care Live, Windows Defender, And Windows Media Player Will
Not Work With Those Operating Systems, With The Sole Exception Of Apple
(Apple Boot Camp, Which I Have Heard Is Not All That Easy 2 Set Up), Also
Just FYI.

 

[ToddAndMargo]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time


> 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also

Not really. More like February 2009. See:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08...orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06

I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider
the above link a footnote.

From the above article:

Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll
"downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the
discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that
they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you
can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and
Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in
Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional
cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.
Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"
option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.

The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or
Circuit City.

Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their
systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.

System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer
repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be
available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.


-T

 

[oscar]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Overall, I'm happy with my Vista. I've had Vista for 8 months. It was
installed on my new computer. I've had had no major problems. No reinstalls.
No blue screens. No big crashes. No malwares or viruses. Vista has some
quirks (as all OS do including Mac). In some case, problems were due to the
computer manufacturer's poor software installation and not Vista's fault.

I have 3 XP machines and they run FAST. But my Vista runs just as fast as
they do and in most cases- 15-25% faster.

I would advise against installing Vista in a computer that was originally
buit for XP a couple years ago. And you definetly need at least 2GB RAM. I
met a guy who is trying to run his Vista on an older computer with 512MB RAM
and complains that Vista runs slow. Duh.

The only reasons not to buy Vista are:
1) can't afford it.
2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.

cheers....

"ToddAndMargo" wrote:

>
> > 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also
>
> Not really. More like February 2009. See:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08...orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06
>
> I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider
> the above link a footnote.
>
> From the above article:
>
> Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll
> "downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the
> discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that
> they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you
> can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and
> Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in
> Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional
> cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.
> Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"
> option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.
>
> The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or
> Circuit City.
>
> Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their
> systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.
>
> System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer
> repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be
> available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.
>
>
> -T
>

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Actually I have it running on a 2000 machine that has only a CPU upgrade
and new Video card and it works quite well. It also runs under
virtualbox (with Ubuntu as Host) at the same time as XP on the same
machine but of course you lose some graphics like Aero.



oscar wrote:
> Overall, I'm happy with my Vista. I've had Vista for 8 months. It was
> installed on my new computer. I've had had no major problems. No reinstalls.
> No blue screens. No big crashes. No malwares or viruses. Vista has some
> quirks (as all OS do including Mac). In some case, problems were due to the
> computer manufacturer's poor software installation and not Vista's fault.
>
> I have 3 XP machines and they run FAST. But my Vista runs just as fast as
> they do and in most cases- 15-25% faster.
>
> I would advise against installing Vista in a computer that was originally
> buit for XP a couple years ago. And you definetly need at least 2GB RAM. I
> met a guy who is trying to run his Vista on an older computer with 512MB RAM
> and complains that Vista runs slow. Duh.
>
> The only reasons not to buy Vista are:
> 1) can't afford it.
> 2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.
>
> cheers....
>
> "ToddAndMargo" wrote:
>
>>> 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also
>> Not really. More like February 2009. See:
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08...orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06
>>
>> I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider
>> the above link a footnote.
>>
>> From the above article:
>>
>> Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll
>> "downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the
>> discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that
>> they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you
>> can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and
>> Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in
>> Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional
>> cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.
>> Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"
>> option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.
>>
>> The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or
>> Circuit City.
>>
>> Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their
>> systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.
>>
>> System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer
>> repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be
>> available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.
>>
>>
>> -T
>>

 

[the wharf rat]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In article <3EA63471-E4F5-4839-8634-298AB8421266@microsoft.com>,
oscar <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>The only reasons not to buy Vista are:
>1) can't afford it.
>2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.
>

Hmmm, let's see... 2GB ram $60.00, DX10 video card $60.00
OEM Vista $180.00 Three hundred bucks to...run as fast as XP...

I suggest reason #3: it's illogical.

 

[ToddAndMargo]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Charlie Tame wrote:
> Actually I have it running on a 2000 machine that has only a CPU upgrade
> and new Video card and it works quite well. It also runs under
> virtualbox (with Ubuntu as Host) at the same time as XP on the same
> machine but of course you lose some graphics like Aero.

Mine is a Xeon 5130 running CentOS 5.1 and XFce 4.4.2 as the
base operating system and GUI. I run Windows under Virtual
Box as well. Xp, Vista, ReactOS, Bart PE so far.

XP-SP3 running fairly nice. Some what slower due to the virtual machine.

Vista drags. No Aero, but I don't like Aero anyway.

I like my OS to get out of the way and let me concentrate
on my applications. I despise "eye candy". Cute once, interesting
the second time, annoying the third ... If I want a
"multimedia experience", I will run a "multimedia application".
When I am tired of it, I will exit the program.

The application base is where XP reins supreme. Vista has
tons of problems with non-Microsoft applications (Quick Books,
UPS World Ship, yada, yada) not to mention it is slower running them.

The question one should ask is, will my O.S. run the applications
I need? Pick your O.S. this way. Do not pick your O.S. and then
go look for what will run on it.

My 2 Cents,
-T

 

[Victor]

Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>
>
> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
>
> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
>
> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> Others?

Reasons to buy Vista:

1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
Vista.

2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
others

3) Support for DirectX 10 games

4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
server/development operating systems for desktops

 

[RonB]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>>
>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>>
>>
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>>
>>
>> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>>
>> Others?
>
> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.

You mean, turn that fancy new computer into a snail -- get Vista ME.

> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others

And a lot peripherals when the old ones aren't supported.

> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games

Hell, if I want play games I'll buy a Wii or a PS3.

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Got news for you. Linux and XP users don't envy Vista ME users. Hell, a lot
of them *were* Vista ME users.

Get a new shtick.

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

 

[Alias]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
>>
>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>>
>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>>
>>
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>>
>>
>> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>>
>> Others?
>
> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.
>
> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others
>
> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Reason Victor has Vista: to brag.

Alias

 

[Maf-Kees]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor" <victor@nospam.org>

> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.

Well, got it all, but vista is still not fully functional.

But, you're so full of it, maybe you'll know;

Is it overall possible to reinstall services?
Esp: The Windows Driver Foundation - User-mode Driver Framework service

Is it possible to reinstall SP1? (without a deïnstall)
SP1 F'UP my WDF service.

How can you do a repair from cd if SP1 is installed and there is no sp1
media availible (dutch).

Still got XP-MCE preferred above Vista, why should MS care, so long
people buy the license, the money is in.
Verry conveniant to close down free support before releasing sp1....

Mk

 

[Erwin Moller]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor schreef:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
>>
>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>>
>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>>
>>
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>>
>>
>> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>>
>> Others?
>
> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.

Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
on Vista, even after SP1.


>
> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others

new audio stack?
You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
from DVD, blue ray, etc?

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Do you call that an improvement?

Also, M$ put a lot of effort into making 'protected hardware devices'
inaccessible for open source developers, making sure they cannot access
the hardware.

DO you call that an improvement?

>
> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Piss off yourself. I am no fan of XP, but Vista is clearly worse.
You let M$ take away your own flexibility and freedom of choice, and are
happy with it. That makes you a drone.

Erwin Moller

 

[Linonut]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

* Victor peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Yeah, why put server processes in a desktop machine? Desktop machines
are for buying CALs to connect to the server <grin>.

--
Security is, I would say, our top priority because for all the exciting
things you will be able to do with computers - organizing your lives,
staying in touch with people, being creative - if we don't solve these
security problems, then people will hold back.
-- Bill Gates

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time


<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:79d9d25f-fc39-448a-98a9-7eb5b339b327@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
>
> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
>
> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> Others?

Lets see if we can complete the list:

4) XP is more compatible with software and hardware/driver than Vista

5) Less risk, what if you get a problematic Vista?

6) XP runs faster

7) XP plays more games

8) XP many be less expensive in the long term, less likely to need Ultimate
upgrades to get desired features (fax policy editor etc)

9) XP, assuming you are an XP user already, no need to learn the new
interface.

10) Win 7 is coming, it is likely there still will still be more XP users
come Win 7's introduction than Vista.

 

[Cork Soaker]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Ok, I'll buy a server with a full desktop GUI running all the time,
chewing up RAM and processor cycles instead. Ha ha ha. What a tail!

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Victor
<victor@nospam.org>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:13:58 -0500
<pan.2008.06.16.09.13.55.738079@nospam.org>:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>>
>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>>
>>
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>>
>>
>> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>>
>> Others?
>
> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.
>
> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others
>
> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

5) Aero!

6) It's from Microsoft, a tried and true company. (They've
been tried, and a lot of the allegations are apparently true.)

7) There's nothing else, though Microsoft for some reason is
trying to delay the inevitable sunset of XP. Why, I
for one don't know, but a search for "Vista" coughs up
some interesting stuff.

8) Customers identify Microsoft Windows with "the computer",
so Vista's ascension is inevitable, since it's the latest
incarnation of Windows. Might as well get with the program.

9) It's preinstalled on most systems, in some form (there
are 9 editions, 5 of which are commonly available in the US,
if I'm not mistaken).

10) It's "free". Microsoft already got their money when the
unit was manufactured; never mind whether it actually gets
sold at some point.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C++ Programming Idea #110309238:
item * f(item *p) { if(p = NULL) return new item; else return p; }
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

 

[nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> Victor schreef:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> >> Others?
>
> > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > Vista.
>
> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> on Vista, even after SP1.
>
>
>
> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > others
>
> new audio stack?
> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble
with Vista is due to the DRM.

 

[Anteaus]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
deal. To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
the prime consideration.

Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
would have been a bleak one indeed.

On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
and regionalization is at least partly responsible for the high levels of
piracy.

In the days of vinyl and VHS, there was an advantage in paying, in that you
got a better-quality product than by pirating. Now, the reverse is true. Pay,
and you get an inferior product, thanks to DRM.

The simple fact is, the DVD video format has very poor reliability.
Sticking, jumping, sudden restarts, inability to fast-forward, all are
extremely common. Many people still prefer VHS to DVD for this very reason,
the frequent failed playback of DVD being far more of an annoyance than poor
picture quality of VHS.

DivX/XviD copies on the other hand seldom suffer these annoying glitches. In
almost every way they are technically superior to the DRM-protected formats.
Even when burned to a data DVD, the DivX version is largely free from the
annoyances of the DVD-video version. Not only does it work with near-100%
reliability, it also gives a far better file-size to picture-quality ratio.

Now, convincing people that they have a moral responsibility to pay for what
they use is one thing, BUT convincing them to pay for a product that is in
every way inferior to the 'free' alternative is quite another. Piracy? No
wonder!

> > new audio stack?
> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?

> > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html