Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

<nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> Victor schreef:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> >> Others?
>
> > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > Vista.
>
> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> on Vista, even after SP1.
>
>
>
> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > others
>
> new audio stack?
> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble
with Vista is due to the DRM.

 

[Leroy]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 2:58 pm, "ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu"
<ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
>
>
>
>
>
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> > Victor schreef:
>
> > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> > >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> > >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> > >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> > >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> > >> Others?
>
> > > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > > Vista.
>
> > Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> > on Vista, even after SP1.
>
> > > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > > others
>
> > new audio stack?
> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
>
> Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
> and it's absolutely devastating.   I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
> back on the DRM, or make it worse.  Looks like a lot of the trouble
> with Vista is due to the DRM.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Carey Frisch [MVP]
<cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:12:11 -0500
<eO6FpZA0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>:
> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>

It matters little. Vista is the Next Generation of Windows,
and will of course ultimately be accepted, if Windows 7
doesn't outshine it first. The adoption rate appears to
be about 5-7 years from its inception in early 2007 -- which
is slower than XP, but not that much slower.

Linux? Apart from the OSS community, it's hard to say
whether it will ever gain full acceptance on the desktop as
an equal, though its placement in the server realm is well
entrenched (though not absolute; Windows has been making a
fair amount of headway, though one wonders whether most of
it is because of deals with such as goDaddy) and there may
be a number of devices using it internally. Personally,
I think Linux desktops have been usable since the early
2000's, but then I'm an old Unix head.

That is one of Linux's problems, in fact; Windows is huge
and noisy, Linux small and almost invisible. Great for
operations, terrible for ad revenue; as someone once
stated, bad press is better than no press at all.

Windows gets a lot of press. Linux gets some, but I'm
not sure the average man-on-the-street will ever know
the ins and outs of Linux distros. But tell him about
Windows and he'll instantly know about ctrl-alt-delete
"fixing" problems, and he'll probably know a fair amount
about antiviral software as well.

One would hope for more sophistication but I suspect most
individuals think of the Internet as a more sophisticated
form of television, with the computer being the device to
display it.

There are disturbing parallels. The radio system at
one point was much like Usenet, but now is dominated
by syndication. The TV broadcast network is even worse.
Is the free Internet doomed? Or will the free part simply
be marginalized, with the bulk of the bandwidth going for
next years' TV shows and software specials?

Also, YouTube hasn't been the profit center Google anticipated;
YouTube is now also embroiled in at least one, possibly
several, copyright lawsuits.

Verizon has already clamped off the alt.* hierarchy,
pruning a branch to eliminate a diseased flower (probably
alt.binaries.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct.tape and
other such, but I'd have to look). Or, perhaps more aptly,
taking a sledgehammer to attack a colony of moths or wasps.

Can't be too careful, I guess, with all that "pirated"
and offensive material going around -- some of which
might include opinions on certain regions wishing for
independence and/or actions by oppressive regimes, and
others including "stolen" TV shows and software.

Welcome to the New World Order.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #992381111:
while(bit&BITMASK) ;
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

 

[nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

<Quote>
ZDNet’s George Ou Exposed as Ignorant Microsoft Shill (Zoon!)

The assault on reason isn’t just a political phenomenon. Microsoft has
long been developing its own cast of apologists who have eked out full
time careers in the field of sputtering out ignorant, unfounded claims
with such insistence and volume that the undecided simply have no
alternative but to line up and applaud their seemingly convincing
rhetoric. Among them is George Ou, who unsurprisingly blogs for CNET’s
ZDNet branded website.

ZDNet desperately needs ad revenue, and the best way to drive that is
to publish sensationalist headlines that catch the attention of
throngs of Diggers. It doesn’t matter that Digg users represent an
unattractive demographic from a real marketing perspective; traffic is
traffic for web click sites.

Take Microsoft’s need for constant, high pitched spin to detract from
its grave mistakes and regular failures and combine it with ZDNet’s
unapologetically desperate brand of sensational headline writing, and
you have fertile ground for arrogant morons ready and willing to say
anything and everything. High up on the moron pile is George Ou, a
blogger billed as a “Technical Director of ZDNet.”
</Quote>

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/24/zdnets-george-ou-exposed-as-ignorant-microsoft-shill-zoon/

 

[Gurney]

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com
wrote:

>
>
>1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
>
>2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
>
>3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
>Others?
The same thing was said about XP when IT first came out. Yawn.

 

[Linonut]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

* Carey Frisch [MVP] peremptorily fired off this memo:

> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

This is George Ou. Why would one believe him?

> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Don't know about that guy yet.

> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast

Love! Is a many splintered thing!

--
People everywhere love Windows.
-- Bill Gates

 

[Erwin Moller]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:
> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>

Carey Frisch,

Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
(Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)

ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
$), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
information...

Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
for free.

And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
Hardware Support").

You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
little experience in the field.

But I guess your signature says it all:
------------------------------------
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast
------------------------------------

I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.

I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
legal OS.
(Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
paid for on my computer!

Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.

Nice effect. Really good thinking.
Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...

Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

 

[Alias]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:
>> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
>> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
>> even ran Windows Vista!
>>
>> Read the truth!
>>
>> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Carey Frisch,
>
> Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
> (Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
> Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)
>
> ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
> I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
> $), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
> information...
>
> Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
> University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
> His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
> must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
> for free.
>
> And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
> direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
> Hardware Support").
>
> You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
> best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
> little experience in the field.
>
> But I guess your signature says it all:
> ------------------------------------
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
> ------------------------------------
>
> I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
> Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
> misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.
>
> I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
> I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
> filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
> legal OS.
> (Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
> with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
> I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
> paid for on my computer!
>
> Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
> peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.
>
> Nice effect. Really good thinking.
> Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...
>
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Very incisive and well thought out post. Not one Vista fanboy will
understand it.

Alias

 

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

 

[mcnews]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
> On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > Screw DRM.
> > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > Regards,
> > Erwin Moller
>
> Agree:
>
> Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> productivity? Enough said. "
>
> Interesting statistics below.
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

thanks for the link.
i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
XP.
i feel better about my decision now.

 

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 9:12 am, mcnews <mcour...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > > Screw DRM.
> > > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Erwin Moller
>
> > Agree:
>
> > Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> > " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> > code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> > measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> > productivity? Enough said. "
>
> > Interesting statistics below.
>
> >http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
>
> thanks for the link.
> i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
> XP.
> i feel better about my decision now.

Good to hear

I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
do the simplest thing with Vista.
Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .

Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors


IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
by Killing
Windows XP.

- SO , get it while you can.

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:5b64d0d5-3c3b-4dc2-b100-1b8c6ae86ee4@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

-----
That was a good article. Good find.

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 6:12 am, mcnews <mcour...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > > Screw DRM.
> > > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Erwin Moller
>
> > Agree:
>
> > Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> > " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> > code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> > measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> > productivity? Enough said. "
>
> > Interesting statistics below.
>
> >http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
>
> thanks for the link.
> i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
> XP.
> i feel better about my decision now.

Or try a laptop with Linux. Or a Mac. See
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/explaining-the-macintosh-surge/

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:7f7157a8-f48a-4d64-b601-1ef10b64a94f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>
>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>
>
>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>by Killing
>Windows XP.
>
>- SO , get it while you can.

I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
sense in spending more money on Microsoft.

I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg fest
out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially when you
let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No extra charge
with Linux.

At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out and
to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't decided
yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have decided no to
Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is now stuck with it.
I wasn't even involved, LOL.

Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how locked
they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such a move.

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 2:41 pm, Anteaus <Ante...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
> deal.

I'm not sure I'd say they got shafted. It looks to me like Ballmer
hoped his DVD-based OS would, with the help of Hollywood, lock
consumers of digital entertainment into his OS forever, and he'd get a
cut on every playback.

To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
> have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
> the prime consideration.
>
> Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
> computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
> would have been a bleak one indeed.
>
> On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
> and regionalization

I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
automatically bypasses region coding. This was quite a PITA for me,
since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add) in Europe. I
can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
Ubuntu---no problem!

> > > new audio stack?
> > > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > > from DVD, blue ray, etc?
> > >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Desktop Experience -
> > Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> Love! Is a many splintered thing!


Looks like we got tangled up in some Windows ngs. Scarey.

 

[Rick]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:36:16 +0000, Canuck57 wrote:

> <cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
> news:7f7157a8-f48a-4d64-
b601-1ef10b64a94f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>>
>>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>>
>>
>>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>>by Killing
>>Windows XP.
>>
>>- SO , get it while you can.
>
> I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
> still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
> sense in spending more money on Microsoft.
>
> I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg
> fest out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially
> when you let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No
> extra charge with Linux.
>
> At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out
> and to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't
> decided yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have
> decided no to Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is
> now stuck with it. I wasn't even involved, LOL.
>
> Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how
> locked they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such
> a move.

.... and then, unfortunately, most will decide to stay with Microsoft.


--
Rick

 

[dennis@home]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time



"stilicho" <nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:a6360bf6-cb16-4784-8945-d3422eeba16e@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...


> I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
> automatically bypasses region coding.

So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?

> This was quite a PITA for me,
> since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add

Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.

> ) in Europe. I
> can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
> issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
> region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
> Ubuntu---no problem!

Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
ubuntu.

You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 12:11 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>
wrote:
> "stilicho" <ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:a6360bf6-cb16-4784-8945-d3422eeba16e@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
> > automatically bypasses region coding.
>
> So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?
>
> > This was quite a PITA for me,
> > since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add
>
> Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
> You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.
>
> > ) in Europe. I
> > can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
> > issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
> > region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
> > Ubuntu---no problem!
>
> Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
> but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
> ubuntu.
>
> You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

You are correct that I could have installed software to circumvent css
on Windows or Macs.
The software I use under ubuntu is libdvdcss. It is common, almost
universal, on Linux machines because without it you cannot play most
DVDs at all.

However, it is not at all clear that libdvdcss is illegal. I quote
from wikipedia:

"Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been fought over in a courtroom, in
part because Section 1201(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
authorizes such circumvention for purposes of software
interoperability."

 

[DanS]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
news:rv4ji5-e9c.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net:

>>
>> Well....MS hasn't thought that making a LiveCD would be a good idea.
>
> I could see them making a 3-day demo CD. The technology is
> already available for songs; after 3 days the CD oxidizes
> to the point of unreadability. A time bomb could also be
> put in the OS itself; this time bomb would render an ISO
> image useless after 3-4 days unless a user resets the clock.

After a little more digging, I see that the Vista LiveCD is fake !!!

I should have known by the size, as you pointed out, and done the digging
before I mentioned it.