Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

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Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

"Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>>glee wrote:
>>The system.ini file IS processed in Safe Mode:
>>
>>How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051
>>
>>"In Windows, what is 'Safe Mode' used for and why?"
>>http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question575.htm
>>
>>Understanding Safe Mode
>>http://www.windowsgalore.com/windows.95/safemode.htm
>>
>>Got Google? Use it.....
>
> No need to be offensive. <snip>

Not trying to be offensive. If you're not familiar with US TV ads, you probably
didn't catch the attempted humour there.
Got milk?

That said, it IS something easy to search with Google, which would have remedied
your mistaken assumption. I think it took me about a minute to find the three
references and copy/paste them. ;-)

Please note I am making a generic statement below about posters in general, not a
reference to you, so don't take any offense again:
Those of us who have been helping in these forums, for probably 10 years now, do get
tired sometimes of having to do basic research for posters, who could have found
their answers with a Google search in a couple of minutes. So we will sometimes
answer with something like:
"Google: Safe Mode and System.ini"

Here I thought I was being nice by posting the reference links! ;-)
I probably should have included a smiley or two, as I did above, to indicate the
tenor of the comments.
I hope that clears up that misunderstanding.....
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

"Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>
>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>
>>
>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>
>> From the Manual :
>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>
> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.

The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus FAQs)
should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that motherboard, and the
differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided; double-sided):
Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html

(I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or one
or two sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in them all
running at whatever speed is the slowest.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>
>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>
>>> From the Manual :
>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>
>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>
> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus
> FAQs) should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that
> motherboard, and the differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided;
> double-sided):
> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>
> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Look at the "Manufacturer specs" here:
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A7V8X-X

ASUS certainly makes it far more confusing than any of the mobo brands I have used.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or one or two
> sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in them all running at
> whatever speed is the slowest.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ebuB3nl1IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>>
>>>> From the Manual :
>>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>>
>>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
>>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
>>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>>
>> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus FAQs)
>> should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that motherboard, and the
>> differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided; double-sided):
>> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
>> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>>
>> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>> http://dts-l.net/
>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>
>
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Wrong again. I had dual-channel memory on my mind. Here's more info:
http://crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A7V8X

Interesting little FAQ section. Still, I don't see where they label the
sticks single- or double-sided.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or
> one or two sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in them
> all running at whatever speed is the slowest.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ebuB3nl1IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>>
>>>> From the Manual :
>>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>>
>>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
>>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
>>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>>
>> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus
>> FAQs) should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that
>> motherboard, and the differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided;
>> double-sided):
>> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
>> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>>
>> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>> http://dts-l.net/
>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>
>
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

LOL! Like minds, and all...

I dunno, I'm just as confused as Angus, now, though in the case of
Crucial.com, they have an excellent no-hassle return policy, so I'd be
tempted to say that each slot can hold a max of 1GB of 2700, or 3200, for a
total of 3GB of either (pretty much all that 32-bit Windows can use,
anyway). That would have to be single-sided RAM there at Crucial.

But is there for sale out there any double-sided DDR 2700 or 3200, for that
machine?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Look at the "Manufacturer specs" here:
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A7V8X-X
>
> ASUS certainly makes it far more confusing than any of the mobo brands I
> have used.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u0mRw2l1IHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or
>> one or two sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in
>> them all running at whatever speed is the slowest.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:ebuB3nl1IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>>>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the Manual :
>>>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>>>
>>>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
>>>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>>>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>>>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>>>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
>>>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>>>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>>>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>>>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>>>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>>>
>>> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus
>>> FAQs) should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that
>>> motherboard, and the differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided;
>>> double-sided):
>>> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
>>> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>>>
>>> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
>>> --
>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>>> http://dts-l.net/
>>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>>
>>
>>
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

It's confusing, but I don't think double-sided means double-banked any longer, these
days. I recall something about checking if there is a trace on the PCB at a
particular pin # on the RAM stick that connects it to another pin on the other side,
which has to do with whether it is single or double "banked".....but I may be
totally wrong.

Also, it appears they now use "ranked"? See the "Ranking" section here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM

Now I'm confused too.....hmmm, I know, I'll go to bed.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eet3vsm1IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> LOL! Like minds, and all...
>
> I dunno, I'm just as confused as Angus, now, though in the case of Crucial.com,
> they have an excellent no-hassle return policy, so I'd be tempted to say that each
> slot can hold a max of 1GB of 2700, or 3200, for a total of 3GB of either (pretty
> much all that 32-bit Windows can use, anyway). That would have to be single-sided
> RAM there at Crucial.
>
> But is there for sale out there any double-sided DDR 2700 or 3200, for that
> machine?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:e1dbUQm1IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Look at the "Manufacturer specs" here:
>> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A7V8X-X
>>
>> ASUS certainly makes it far more confusing than any of the mobo brands I have
>> used.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>> http://dts-l.net/
>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:u0mRw2l1IHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or one or
>>> two sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in them all running
>>> at whatever speed is the slowest.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>
>>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ebuB3nl1IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>>>>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the Manual :
>>>>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>>>>
>>>>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
>>>>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>>>>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>>>>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>>>>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
>>>>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>>>>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>>>>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>>>>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>>>>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>>>>
>>>> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and Asus FAQs)
>>>> should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on that motherboard, and
>>>> the differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided; double-sided):
>>>> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
>>>> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>>>>
>>>> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
>>>> --
>>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>>>> http://dts-l.net/
>>>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Bed? What's that?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:e5P3fWn1IHA.5560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It's confusing, but I don't think double-sided means double-banked any
> longer, these days. I recall something about checking if there is a trace
> on the PCB at a particular pin # on the RAM stick that connects it to
> another pin on the other side, which has to do with whether it is single
> or double "banked".....but I may be totally wrong.
>
> Also, it appears they now use "ranked"? See the "Ranking" section here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM
>
> Now I'm confused too.....hmmm, I know, I'll go to bed.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eet3vsm1IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> LOL! Like minds, and all...
>>
>> I dunno, I'm just as confused as Angus, now, though in the case of
>> Crucial.com, they have an excellent no-hassle return policy, so I'd be
>> tempted to say that each slot can hold a max of 1GB of 2700, or 3200, for
>> a total of 3GB of either (pretty much all that 32-bit Windows can use,
>> anyway). That would have to be single-sided RAM there at Crucial.
>>
>> But is there for sale out there any double-sided DDR 2700 or 3200, for
>> that machine?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:e1dbUQm1IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Look at the "Manufacturer specs" here:
>>> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A7V8X-X
>>>
>>> ASUS certainly makes it far more confusing than any of the mobo brands I
>>> have used.
>>> --
>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>>> http://dts-l.net/
>>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>> news:u0mRw2l1IHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Leave it to Asus. I guess it can have up to three single-sided 2700, or
>>>> one or two sticks of 3200, max. Note that mixing the types results in
>>>> them all running at whatever speed is the slowest.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary S. Terhune
>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://grystmill.com
>>>>
>>>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ebuB3nl1IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> "Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jtf1641epqchmaqlc66844dkphr5sf93b1@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:44:25 +0200, Etal
>>>>>> <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>>>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>>>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>>>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>>>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>>>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>>>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>>>>>>>all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>>>>>>>usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the Manual :
>>>>>>>Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even
>>>>>> though
>>>>>> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
>>>>>> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
>>>>>> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
>>>>>> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
>>>>>> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
>>>>>> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
>>>>>> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
>>>>>> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> The info in the thread I link below (along with the mobo manual and
>>>>> Asus FAQs) should help you understand what is menat by a "bank" on
>>>>> that motherboard, and the differing types of RAM sticks (single-sided;
>>>>> double-sided):
>>>>> Computing.Net - ASUS A7V8X-X RAM slot issues
>>>>> http://www.computing.net/answers/cpus/asus-a7v8xx-ram-slot-issues/13751.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (I googled: ASUS A7V8X-X manual, and that was the first hit).
>>>>> --
>>>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
>>>>> http://dts-l.net/
>>>>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:28:55 -0400, "glee"
<glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote:

>"Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:5pd064hk8v93s1oh5f69dj61e8hun1m710@4ax.com...
>
>> [...] However, my
>> main worry was the first question - the one about Safe Mode - which
>> has still not been answered.
>
>The system.ini file IS processed in Safe Mode:
>
>How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051
>
>"In Windows, what is 'Safe Mode' used for and why?"
>http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question575.htm
>
>Understanding Safe Mode
>http://www.windowsgalore.com/windows.95/safemode.htm

This is quite reassuring. Now that Crucial have processed the RMA
for the 1GB DIMM I foolishly ordered before even stopping to think
whether there might be a problem with Win98SE (!), I'll go ahead
and order another 256MB DIMM, see how it goes, and report back.

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:10:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>It offends ME me that you obviously DON'T know that much about the subject,

No argument from me there. Nor have I ever pretended for one
moment to know much about the subject.

>yet you argued with practically everyone who took the time to correct your
>mistaken ideas.

That's bollocks! I did nothing of the kind. (It's a short thread,
and all a matter of public record - not that there is any reason
for anyone to waste time wading through it.)

I waited a day before even reading this reply of yours, because I
just wanted to follow up /informative/ replies, and did not want
to be drawn into a silly, pointless argument. And I am censoring
a lot of what I feel like typing in reply. Can we just leave it?

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:19:11 -0400, "glee"
<glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote:

>"Angus Rodgers" <twirlip@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:41f164ts0katuu497lg5aprh4558bv9dti@4ax.com...
>>>glee wrote:
>>>The system.ini file IS processed in Safe Mode:
>>>
>>>How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start
>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/122051
>>>
>>>"In Windows, what is 'Safe Mode' used for and why?"
>>>http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question575.htm
>>>
>>>Understanding Safe Mode
>>>http://www.windowsgalore.com/windows.95/safemode.htm
>>>
>>>Got Google? Use it.....
>>
>> No need to be offensive. <snip>
>
>Not trying to be offensive. If you're not familiar with US TV ads,
>you probably didn't catch the attempted humour there.

That's OK. These things happen. (The same thing has also happened
to me, in reverse!) Sorry about the transatlantic misunderstanding.

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:48:12 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>This effectively bypasses the [Boot] and [386Enh] sections of the
>System.ini file and disables all the Windows 95 protected-mode devices
>listed in Device Manager. Also, Windows 95 does not run programs listed
>on the "Load=" and "Run=" lines in the [Windows] section of the Win.ini
>file.
>
>Note that although the [Boot] section of the System.ini file is
>bypassed, the "shell=" and "drivers=" lines in the [Boot] section are
>processed.
>.......EOQ.............
>
>HOWEVER, I really can't say for sure this provides a definitive answer.

The following old thread called into question whether a Win98
safe-mode start was identical to a Win95 safe-mode start:

"Starting applications automatically in safe mode":
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...2e108df33e/4bd163c6210510fc?#4bd163c6210510fc
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4lws94

Among other things, the OP claimed that "Shell and Drivers lines are
NOT executed in safe mode".

I haven't tested this myself, though (because safe mode makes a mess
of my desktop settings, among other things). I did try adding a
semicolon to the beginning of the "shell=explorer.exe" line in
system.ini. However this made no difference to a normal boot, ie
Explorer still started up as the default shell.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:48:12 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>This effectively bypasses the [Boot] and [386Enh] sections of the
|>System.ini file and disables all the Windows 95 protected-mode devices
|>listed in Device Manager. Also, Windows 95 does not run programs
|>listed on the "Load=" and "Run=" lines in the [Windows] section of
|>the Win.ini file.
|>
|>Note that although the [Boot] section of the System.ini file is
|>bypassed, the "shell=" and "drivers=" lines in the [Boot] section are
|>processed.
|>.......EOQ.............
|>
|>HOWEVER, I really can't say for sure this provides a definitive
|>answer.
|
| The following old thread called into question whether a Win98
| safe-mode start was identical to a Win95 safe-mode start:
|
| "Starting applications automatically in safe mode":
|
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...2e108df33e/4bd163c6210510fc?#4bd163c6210510fc
| http://preview.tinyurl.com/4lws94
|
| Among other things, the OP claimed that "Shell and Drivers lines are
| NOT executed in safe mode".
|
| I haven't tested this myself, though (because safe mode makes a mess
| of my desktop settings, among other things). I did try adding a
| semicolon to the beginning of the "shell=explorer.exe" line in
| system.ini. However this made no difference to a normal boot, ie
| Explorer still started up as the default shell.

I see even back then you were wary of Safe Mode, Zabcar, (although I can
almost swear you said you tried it & it worked in that thread). ANYHOW,
I changed to "Shell=Winfile.exe" in System.ini, [boot] section. A reboot
to Safe Mode INDEED opened into Winfile, which I used to revert to
Shell=Explorer.exe (File menu, Run, SysEdit). When I exited Winfile, I
got a message it was "safe to turn off the computer", where normally it
would shut on its own. (I couldn't see how to do a reboot.) My Desktop
icons weren't mussed this time-- because there were none behind Winfile
in Safe Mode.

SO... I guess it's the same in Win98 as in Win95 for that.

WARNING: Careful with Winfile, because it doesn't understand LFNs (Long
File Names).

| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?

Angus Rodgers wrote:

> Etal wrote:
>
>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>
>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)
>>>
>> Not only the amount of RAM matters, but also its speed. Occupying
>> all three DIMM sockets may lower the the maximum memory-speed
>> usable, depending on what DIMM cards you have.
>>
>> From the Manual :
>> Note: PC2700 maximum to 4 banks only. PC3200 maximum to 2 banks only.
>
> The existing DIMM was PC2700, so I ordered another PC2700, even though
> PC3200 was also available. I don't understand the technical issues,
> but this seemed the course least likely to cause problems. I haven't
> time to look further into it at the moment (late for an appointment -
> just reading and replying quickly!), but one thing I'm not clear about
> is what a "bank" is. As there are only 3 slots for DIMMS, it hardly
> seems likely that one DIMM equals one "bank" (otherwise 4 banks would
> be impossible!). It's logically possible that each of my DIMMs is two
> "banks", so there might not be room for any more! But I can probably
> find this out for myself without having to ask too many questions here.
>

Much, much to late obviously. But i just noticed that my followup
to this post had been censored.
So i wanted to tell those of you that read this Usenet-group from
behind the ms-Censor-filters that i *did* make a followup to this
post by the OP back at the time. My apologies to you Angus if you
never saw it. At least you got help and info on this via Gary and
glee's posts.

My previous followup <g3s6a5$5sr$1@aioe.org> is viewable via:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=g3s6a5$5sr$1@aioe.org>
And here is a layout for the whole thread:
<http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/browse_frm/thread/c6844c8286252e31/#>


Why aren't you behind the ms-walls allowed to see links to
helpful information in fellow technical-oriented Usenet-groups?


--
Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

Please followup in the newsgroup.
E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
 
Re: Will 768MB RAM be OK, even in Safe Mode?



>> Etal wrote:
>>
>>>> I've recently doubled my system RAM to 512MB, with no problems.
>>>>
>>>> There's room on my motherboard (ASUS A7V8X-X) to plug in another
>>>> similar 256MB module. (I don't think I want to add 512MB merely
>>>> because it might be useful when/if I get around to dual-booting
>>>> some version of Linux. A total of 768MB ought to be enough. I
>>>> would rather not have to fiddle with MaxPhysPage=39999 - or what-
>>>> ever else would be needed if I had 1GB or more memory - unless
>>>> it is absolutely necessary, in which case I will think again.)

If you only go up to 1GB, all you have to do is add MaxFileCache=512000
under the [vcache] header of the System.Ini file.
This only limits the addressable ram, not how much of the ram that can be
used.
I use 1GB on my Win98SE with no problem and it really helped out my gaming.

The above takes only about <1min then reboot and you are set.
To do it, just go Start,Run and type in System.ini and press Enter.
Scroll down to the [vcache] header and put the MaxFileCache=512000 line in
below it.
Reboot. Presto, you're done.

PS: Even with 768MB of ram, you should put that line in. :)
 

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