Re: No longer have animation

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation


"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23KctM8Y1IHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23bgEMqX1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>
>>>> I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather sites
>>>> on
>>>> this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines with the
>>>> IE7
>>>> with Vista x86.
>>>
>>>
>>> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>
>> The map on the page page won't even render when I switch to the IE x64
>> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>>
>> Jan
>
>
> Ok. Well, now that we know some other Vista x64 users are reading this
> perhaps you will find out at least how common this symptom is? <eg>
>
> Otherwise one way to try to get more clues about what is different
> in the two cases is to use ProcMon. E.g. open the above link as the
> first
> thing for a new iexplore.exe process to do. That way you will see the
> modules being loaded. If something is not being loaded in the bad case
> it might even be sufficient just to use the Process filter (e.g. ignore
> RegMon
> and FileMon aspects as hopefully extraneous noise.) Then, if that's not
> enough add in the FileMon type tracing. Etc. Note that by default
> ProcMon
> captures all the detail anyway, so you can always save the trace and
> reanalyse
> it later with different filters. Note too that when you have two
> supposedly
> nearly identical saved traces you can analyse them side-by-side.
> Unfortunately though you have to use your eyeballs instead of a diff
> program
> to do that because of all the other details such as timestamps, etc. which
> would make a programmed difference report impractical.

I will endeavor the above as gray matter comprehends. While I have all
these tools, analysis of such is not one of my more deft attributes. <grin>
Expecially, when it doing visual comparisions, as vision in one eye is very
limited so extended study is not always an easy thing. However, the
programs do have merit and can offer a good information.
>
> Hmm... it would help if ProcMon didn't BSOD as often as it does but...
> ; )

Indeed!
>
> BTW it would probably help if you elaborated on your symptom.
> E.g. do you see the map? Does right-clicking on the map give the
> same menu? Etc.

The map here does not appear at all:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar

The map here renders but when I click the Show Map In Motion it tries to
change to the animation but just hangs indefinitely.
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...usinterstateforecastday3_large_animated&day=1
>
> Also, have you checked on the Adobe forums for previous reports
> of the same symptom?

I've check out some that speak of animation problems, but, nothing is
related to having previously installed the IE8, as least not from what I
could tell, nor were the rendering and animation problems the same.

When I try to install the Adobe Flash, it says that I have it installed,
yet, I have unintsalled it earlier to reinstall and see if that might help.
Also, the Adobe Active X download is blocked by IE and I have not yet been
able to find how to unblock it. Putting it in my Trusted Zone does not
work, nor does any of the Security allowances I have made. So, I can't
reinstall it. Although, it says it is installed. So, something may be amiss
too. This is all very strange, as it just started since I uninstalled the
IE8. The Flash and all had been working fine until then.

Jan

>
>
> Good luck
>
> Robert
> ---
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>> returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I can
>>>> think of
>>>> and still no solution.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be appreciated.
>>>> (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother with that
>>>> suggestion.)
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation


"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F91092F-6A08-40C1-B4B9-CECDAD315018@microsoft.com...
> What you said above in response to Tony, "I can try it. I am am not keen
> to do a Vista repair if there is any way I
> can avoid it." So use VPC and install a copy of Vista in a virtual
> machine to experiment with. When you are done just delete the virtual
> machine. That's the way to try out stuff without it affecting your
> computer.

Ah...I meant by my reply to Tony was that I was willing to try suggestions.
Doing a repair of vista is the last thing I want to do, and only if it is
the last resort. However, I didn't really expect to find the IE listed in
the components list, nor listed in the Programs and Features of VIsta, as it
is not a separate install, ats least not in my version, but, I figured it
wouldn't hurt to check it out anyway. But, I see what you mean now. I
don't anticipate the need for using VPC. If the IE is borked the VPC won't
help.

Jan
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OJcVmHh1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry...I don't follow the idea....try what in a virtual machine?
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:EF17A5B7-3E82-4465-A7AB-D9486FDB1288@microsoft.com...
>>> Try it in a virtual machine first.
>>>
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23P9AbVg1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>>>>> not
>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>
>>>> I can try it. I am am not keen to do a Vista repair if there is any way
>>>> I can avoid it.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather
>>>>>> >> > sites
>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I
>>>>>> >> > can
>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification, Colin. Bill Sharpe used to keep us up to
date on what the Korean version was doing, but, haven't talked with him of
late. His WHS keeps him pretty busy these days )

Jan

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:CC39D026-C597-45F9-A8A4-F21F8D553B97@microsoft.com...
> The N editions ("no IE") don't have it but it can be installed. That
> installation can later be uninstalled. However, only a few thousand N
> editions apparently sold. The European Courts' great triumph fizzled. I
> beleive that the K editions (Korea) worked about the same. I think other
> than that whatever IE ships with a version of Windows is core.
>
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:epu25Fh1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>> news:2EB225C9-1638-4EA9-8877-0A20422AA76C@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi, Tony.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>>>
>>> Right. As Microsoft told the court, IE is so tightly integrated into
>>> WinXP that it can't be removed. I had no idea that it was removable in
>>> non-US editions.
>>>
>>> WinXP includes IE6, which can be upgraded since IE7 arrived. Vista
>>> started with IE7, which is still included on every DVD. Many of us are
>>> now involved in the public beta of IE8, which can run on both WinXP and
>>> Vista, replacing IE6 or IE7, as appropriate. For more, see
>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta.
>>>
>>> But IE6 can't be removed (by us mere mortals - in the US, at least) from
>>> WinXP or IE7 from Vista.
>>
>> I was curious about that too, as since XP IE has been a core part of the
>> software and not uninstallable. As far as know that is the case with
>> Vista as well. So, if it is uninstallable from XP or Vista in other than
>> US versions, I am unaware of that capability. I was testing the IE8 beta
>> on that machine, but, uninstalled it last Thursday to do some testing the
>> needs a clean IE7, not just the Emulation. That is when I noticed that
>> none of the map animations are now working.
>>>
>>> And be nice to Jan. She's a Cherokee.
>>
>> Yeppers....they even let me off the Resevation now and then too. At least
>> to attend the MVP Summits. ))
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>> rc@grandecom.net
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>>
>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:#Om#gYd1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Well, maybe not in reality, but in XP you can remove IE as one of the
>>>> 'Windows Components' - which will remove associations and (I think?)
>>>> the
>>>> *.EXE while leaving the *.DLL's which other system components rely on.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, re-activating it, should give you some certainty that
>>>> everything is
>>>> working right across the system.
>>>>
>>>> You are right though, I have no idea if this functionality still exist
>>>> in
>>>> Vista? It has been there for ages - and I think it is part of the Court
>>>> settlement over the IE integration in the system, so I believe the
>>>> option
>>>> 'should' be there. Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:58D2A951-EA40-4BB5-9908-552F7D6128C6@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Can he can uninstall IE7? It is the base IE in Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> > Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>>>>> > not
>>>>> > being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>> > (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Tony. . .
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>> >> > Robert,
>>>>> >> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >
>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>> >> > Post back your results.
>>>>> >> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Carlos
>>>>> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>> >> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> >> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>>>>> >> >> > Weather
>>>>> >> >> > sites
>>>>> >> >> > on
>>>>> >> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>> >> >> > with
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > IE7
>>>>> >> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>> >> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as
>>>>> >> >> > I
>>>> can
>>>>> >> >> > think of
>>>>> >> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>> > appreciated.
>>>>> >> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>> >> >> > with
>>>>> > that
>>>>> >> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Jan
>>>
>>
>

 

[R. C. White]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Hi, Jan.

I haven't followed the thread closely; maybe this has already been covered.
But, since you gave those two links in your last post, I tried them both in
IE8b1 with IE7 Emulation ON, first in the x86 version, then in x64. (I'm
running Vista Ultimate x64, and I get the same results with IE7 Emulation
OFF.) Here's what I see:

At:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar

in IE8b1 x86, I see the buff-colored highway road map. When I click on the
Play arrow below the map, maybe there is some animation, but apparently not
much is happening in your weather today.

In IE8b1 x64, I see the background for the map, but no map - just a big
square patch of white. At the bottom there is a link to "Get Flash".
Clicking that gets me the Adobe page with a "TechNote" titled "Flash Player
support on 64-bit operating systems" and two statements that say:
ISSUE:
Adobe Flash Player is not supported for playback in a 64-bit browser.
However, you can run Flash Player in a 32-bit browser running on a 64-bit
operating system.
REASON
Adobe is working on Flash Player support for 64-bit platforms as part of our
ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Flash Player. We
have not yet announced timing or release dates.


At:
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...usinterstateforecastday3_large_animated&day=1

In IE8b1 x86, I see a static green weather map. When I click on Show map in
motion, it loads the animation and then shows it. At first there seems to
be no action at all, but then I see a small rain shower dot in the south end
of Delaware. It appears and disappears as the animation loops.

In IE8b1 x64, I see the same thing. The animation works just as in x86!
;<)


So the only non-working combo seems to be the first map, and only in IE8b1
x64. That is, in the 64-bit browser running on 64-bit Vista. And it fails
only for the first URL, not the second. So the problem may be in that web
page, not in Vista - or even in Flash.

Matrix: 32-bit IE 64-bit IE
First URL Works Doesn't Work
Second URL Works Works

It seems that Adobe doesn't even know that their Flash Player works with
64-bit browsers - sometimes.


Now, since - as I said - I'm not deeply involved in the thread, I'll back
off and let you and Robert, Colin, Tony, et al, continue.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)


"Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
news:#mTPDJi1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
> news:ebuY9Dh1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23KctM8Y1IHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23bgEMqX1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>
>>>>> I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather sites
>>>>> on
>>>>> this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines with the
>>>>> IE7
>>>>> with Vista x86.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>
>>> The map on the page page won't even render when I switch to the IE x64
>>> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>>
>> Ok. Well, now that we know some other Vista x64 users are reading this
>> perhaps you will find out at least how common this symptom is? <eg>
>>
>> Otherwise one way to try to get more clues about what is different
>> in the two cases is to use ProcMon. E.g. open the above link as the
>> first
>> thing for a new iexplore.exe process to do. That way you will see the
>> modules being loaded. If something is not being loaded in the bad case
>> it might even be sufficient just to use the Process filter (e.g. ignore
>> RegMon
>> and FileMon aspects as hopefully extraneous noise.) Then, if that's not
>> enough add in the FileMon type tracing. Etc. Note that by default
>> ProcMon
>> captures all the detail anyway, so you can always save the trace and
>> reanalyse
>> it later with different filters. Note too that when you have two
>> supposedly
>> nearly identical saved traces you can analyse them side-by-side.
>> Unfortunately though you have to use your eyeballs instead of a diff
>> program
>> to do that because of all the other details such as timestamps, etc.
>> which
>> would make a programmed difference report impractical.
>
> I will endeavor the above as gray matter comprehends. While I have
> all these tools, analysis of such is not one of my more deft attributes.
> <grin> Expecially, when it doing visual comparisions, as vision in one eye
> is very limited so extended study is not always an easy thing. However,
> the programs do have merit and can offer a good information.
>>
>> Hmm... it would help if ProcMon didn't BSOD as often as it does but...
>> ; )
>
> Indeed!
>>
>> BTW it would probably help if you elaborated on your symptom.
>> E.g. do you see the map? Does right-clicking on the map give the
>> same menu? Etc.
>
> The map here does not appear at all:
> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>
> The map here renders but when I click the Show Map In Motion it tries to
> change to the animation but just hangs indefinitely.
> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...usinterstateforecastday3_large_animated&day=1
>>
>> Also, have you checked on the Adobe forums for previous reports
>> of the same symptom?
>
> I've check out some that speak of animation problems, but, nothing is
> related to having previously installed the IE8, as least not from what I
> could tell, nor were the rendering and animation problems the same.
>
> When I try to install the Adobe Flash, it says that I have it installed,
> yet, I have unintsalled it earlier to reinstall and see if that might
> help. Also, the Adobe Active X download is blocked by IE and I have not
> yet been able to find how to unblock it. Putting it in my Trusted Zone
> does not work, nor does any of the Security allowances I have made. So, I
> can't reinstall it. Although, it says it is installed. So, something may
> be amiss too. This is all very strange, as it just started since I
> uninstalled the IE8. The Flash and all had been working fine until then.
>
> Jan
>
>>
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>> This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>> returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I can
>>>>> think of
>>>>> and still no solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be appreciated.
>>>>> (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother with that
>>>>> suggestion.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan

 

[Tony Sperling]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Oh, you guys have me worried now - the machine is away for the moment, so
cannot really check right now, but I am quite sure that I did away with it
once in a fit of despair. Of course, it stays installed under the hood but
it looks gone, and I suspect that when you activate it again it should check
that everything it expects to find really is there. As a spinal reaction
after finding MP Classic I give Media Player the same treatment whenever I
install something new, so I cannot be mistaken, (I hope) but I'll give a
hoot in a few days when it's back home again.


Tony. . .


"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:2EB225C9-1638-4EA9-8877-0A20422AA76C@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Tony.
>
> > Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>
> Right. As Microsoft told the court, IE is so tightly integrated into
WinXP
> that it can't be removed. I had no idea that it was removable in non-US
> editions.
>
> WinXP includes IE6, which can be upgraded since IE7 arrived. Vista
started
> with IE7, which is still included on every DVD. Many of us are now
involved
> in the public beta of IE8, which can run on both WinXP and Vista,
replacing
> IE6 or IE7, as appropriate. For more, see
> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta.
>
> But IE6 can't be removed (by us mere mortals - in the US, at least) from
> WinXP or IE7 from Vista.
>
> And be nice to Jan. She's a Cherokee.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> news:#Om#gYd1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Well, maybe not in reality, but in XP you can remove IE as one of the
> > 'Windows Components' - which will remove associations and (I think?) the
> > *.EXE while leaving the *.DLL's which other system components rely on.
> >
> > Anyhow, re-activating it, should give you some certainty that everything
> > is
> > working right across the system.
> >
> > You are right though, I have no idea if this functionality still exist
in
> > Vista? It has been there for ages - and I think it is part of the Court
> > settlement over the IE integration in the system, so I believe the
option
> > 'should' be there. Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:58D2A951-EA40-4BB5-9908-552F7D6128C6@microsoft.com...
> >> Can he can uninstall IE7? It is the base IE in Vista.
> >>
> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> >> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> > Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
> >> > not
> >> > being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
> >> > (coldboot!) and re-install?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tony. . .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> >> > news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Robert,
> >> >> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
> >> >> > Post back your results.
> >> >> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nope, that has been installed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jan
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Carlos
> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
> >> >> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather
> >> >> >> > sites
> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
with
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > IE7
> >> >> >> > with Vista x86.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
> >> >> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I
> > can
> >> >> >> > think of
> >> >> >> > and still no solution.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
> >> > appreciated.
> >> >> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
with
> >> > that
> >> >> >> > suggestion.)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Jan
>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Perhaps you simply changed the default app?

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:enRgOij1IHA.5300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Oh, you guys have me worried now - the machine is away for the moment, so
> cannot really check right now, but I am quite sure that I did away with it
> once in a fit of despair. Of course, it stays installed under the hood but
> it looks gone, and I suspect that when you activate it again it should
> check
> that everything it expects to find really is there. As a spinal reaction
> after finding MP Classic I give Media Player the same treatment whenever I
> install something new, so I cannot be mistaken, (I hope) but I'll give a
> hoot in a few days when it's back home again.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:2EB225C9-1638-4EA9-8877-0A20422AA76C@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Tony.
>>
>> > Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>>
>> Right. As Microsoft told the court, IE is so tightly integrated into
> WinXP
>> that it can't be removed. I had no idea that it was removable in non-US
>> editions.
>>
>> WinXP includes IE6, which can be upgraded since IE7 arrived. Vista
> started
>> with IE7, which is still included on every DVD. Many of us are now
> involved
>> in the public beta of IE8, which can run on both WinXP and Vista,
> replacing
>> IE6 or IE7, as appropriate. For more, see
>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta.
>>
>> But IE6 can't be removed (by us mere mortals - in the US, at least) from
>> WinXP or IE7 from Vista.
>>
>> And be nice to Jan. She's a Cherokee.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@grandecom.net
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:#Om#gYd1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Well, maybe not in reality, but in XP you can remove IE as one of the
>> > 'Windows Components' - which will remove associations and (I think?)
>> > the
>> > *.EXE while leaving the *.DLL's which other system components rely on.
>> >
>> > Anyhow, re-activating it, should give you some certainty that
>> > everything
>> > is
>> > working right across the system.
>> >
>> > You are right though, I have no idea if this functionality still exist
> in
>> > Vista? It has been there for ages - and I think it is part of the Court
>> > settlement over the IE integration in the system, so I believe the
> option
>> > 'should' be there. Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:58D2A951-EA40-4BB5-9908-552F7D6128C6@microsoft.com...
>> >> Can he can uninstall IE7? It is the base IE in Vista.
>> >>
>> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>> >> > not
>> >> > being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>> >> > (coldboot!) and re-install?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tony. . .
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> > news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Robert,
>> >> >> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>> >> >> > Post back your results.
>> >> >> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nope, that has been installed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Carlos
>> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>> >> >> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>> >> >> >> > Weather
>> >> >> >> > sites
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
> with
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > IE7
>> >> >> >> > with Vista x86.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>> >> >> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as
>> >> >> >> > I
>> > can
>> >> >> >> > think of
>> >> >> >> > and still no solution.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
> with
>> >> > that
>> >> >> >> > suggestion.)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jan
>>
>
>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Ah, but if it is the IE in the vm that is borked and not the one on the
computer itself then it is an easy bork to get rid of.

"Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
news:uWF2ili1IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3F91092F-6A08-40C1-B4B9-CECDAD315018@microsoft.com...
>> What you said above in response to Tony, "I can try it. I am am not keen
>> to do a Vista repair if there is any way I
>> can avoid it." So use VPC and install a copy of Vista in a virtual
>> machine to experiment with. When you are done just delete the virtual
>> machine. That's the way to try out stuff without it affecting your
>> computer.
>
> Ah...I meant by my reply to Tony was that I was willing to try
> suggestions. Doing a repair of vista is the last thing I want to do, and
> only if it is the last resort. However, I didn't really expect to find
> the IE listed in the components list, nor listed in the Programs and
> Features of VIsta, as it is not a separate install, ats least not in my
> version, but, I figured it wouldn't hurt to check it out anyway. But, I
> see what you mean now. I don't anticipate the need for using VPC. If the
> IE is borked the VPC won't help.
>
> Jan
>>
>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:OJcVmHh1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Sorry...I don't follow the idea....try what in a virtual machine?
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:EF17A5B7-3E82-4465-A7AB-D9486FDB1288@microsoft.com...
>>>> Try it in a virtual machine first.
>>>>
>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23P9AbVg1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can try it. I am am not keen to do a Vista repair if there is any
>>>>> way I can avoid it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather
>>>>>>> >> > sites
>>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I
>>>>>>> >> > can
>>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Thanks Tony. Will be watching for the update info.

Jan

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:enRgOij1IHA.5300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Oh, you guys have me worried now - the machine is away for the moment, so
> cannot really check right now, but I am quite sure that I did away with it
> once in a fit of despair. Of course, it stays installed under the hood but
> it looks gone, and I suspect that when you activate it again it should
> check
> that everything it expects to find really is there. As a spinal reaction
> after finding MP Classic I give Media Player the same treatment whenever I
> install something new, so I cannot be mistaken, (I hope) but I'll give a
> hoot in a few days when it's back home again.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:2EB225C9-1638-4EA9-8877-0A20422AA76C@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Tony.
>>
>> > Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>>
>> Right. As Microsoft told the court, IE is so tightly integrated into
> WinXP
>> that it can't be removed. I had no idea that it was removable in non-US
>> editions.
>>
>> WinXP includes IE6, which can be upgraded since IE7 arrived. Vista
> started
>> with IE7, which is still included on every DVD. Many of us are now
> involved
>> in the public beta of IE8, which can run on both WinXP and Vista,
> replacing
>> IE6 or IE7, as appropriate. For more, see
>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta.
>>
>> But IE6 can't be removed (by us mere mortals - in the US, at least) from
>> WinXP or IE7 from Vista.
>>
>> And be nice to Jan. She's a Cherokee.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@grandecom.net
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:#Om#gYd1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Well, maybe not in reality, but in XP you can remove IE as one of the
>> > 'Windows Components' - which will remove associations and (I think?)
>> > the
>> > *.EXE while leaving the *.DLL's which other system components rely on.
>> >
>> > Anyhow, re-activating it, should give you some certainty that
>> > everything
>> > is
>> > working right across the system.
>> >
>> > You are right though, I have no idea if this functionality still exist
> in
>> > Vista? It has been there for ages - and I think it is part of the Court
>> > settlement over the IE integration in the system, so I believe the
> option
>> > 'should' be there. Perhaps the US Edition doesn't have it?
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:58D2A951-EA40-4BB5-9908-552F7D6128C6@microsoft.com...
>> >> Can he can uninstall IE7? It is the base IE in Vista.
>> >>
>> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>> >> > not
>> >> > being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>> >> > (coldboot!) and re-install?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tony. . .
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> > news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Robert,
>> >> >> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>> >> >> > Post back your results.
>> >> >> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nope, that has been installed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Carlos
>> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>> >> >> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>> >> >> >> > Weather
>> >> >> >> > sites
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
> with
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > IE7
>> >> >> >> > with Vista x86.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>> >> >> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as
>> >> >> >> > I
>> > can
>> >> >> >> > think of
>> >> >> >> > and still no solution.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
> with
>> >> > that
>> >> >> >> > suggestion.)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jan
>>
>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

My questions is, how does that help the host Vista IE if it is borked? What
if I install the IE8 on the Vista on the VPC, uninstall it and it works
fine? I am not trying to blame the IE8 for the problem with the IE7 on the
one machine, but, something got changed and I need to find out what it is so
I can fix it. So, what would installing another copy of the Vista Ultimate
x64 on a VPC prove? I am not trying to be argumentative, but, am curious
about what your thinking is that might be a telling result. As it has been
working fine on the x64 machine since Vista x64 was installed Vista went
RTM, and it worked just fine after installing the IE8 beta since its
release, so that should say something for the OS. The fact that the problem
has only happened since I uninstalled the IE8 beta leads me to think that it
is more in the way of something that got borked in IE when the IE8 was
uninstalled. Which may not necessarily have anything to do with it being an
x64 or x86 OS, or IE8.

I really don't know, it is my first time around with this issue, and the
immediate circumstances, so I am trying to do as much troubleshooting as I
can on my end, given that I am not sure what is really the basic cause of
the problem to home in on. I can do the whole 9 yards with the VPC, but, I
am not sure that any evidence that it might provide would really be that
useful in nailing down where the problem really lies, other than it does not
happen there. I have to weigh the time involved against the possible
benefits.

Jan


"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:278AAEC3-9966-4D30-845C-C9B485DECC24@microsoft.com...
> Ah, but if it is the IE in the vm that is borked and not the one on the
> computer itself then it is an easy bork to get rid of.
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uWF2ili1IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:3F91092F-6A08-40C1-B4B9-CECDAD315018@microsoft.com...
>>> What you said above in response to Tony, "I can try it. I am am not keen
>>> to do a Vista repair if there is any way I
>>> can avoid it." So use VPC and install a copy of Vista in a virtual
>>> machine to experiment with. When you are done just delete the virtual
>>> machine. That's the way to try out stuff without it affecting your
>>> computer.
>>
>> Ah...I meant by my reply to Tony was that I was willing to try
>> suggestions. Doing a repair of vista is the last thing I want to do, and
>> only if it is the last resort. However, I didn't really expect to find
>> the IE listed in the components list, nor listed in the Programs and
>> Features of VIsta, as it is not a separate install, ats least not in my
>> version, but, I figured it wouldn't hurt to check it out anyway. But, I
>> see what you mean now. I don't anticipate the need for using VPC. If the
>> IE is borked the VPC won't help.
>>
>> Jan
>>>
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:OJcVmHh1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Sorry...I don't follow the idea....try what in a virtual machine?
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:EF17A5B7-3E82-4465-A7AB-D9486FDB1288@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Try it in a virtual machine first.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23P9AbVg1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can try it. I am am not keen to do a Vista repair if there is any
>>>>>> way I can avoid it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>>>>>>>> >> > Weather sites
>>>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as
>>>>>>>> >> > I can
>>>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

That is what I have been aware of for the previous Windows versions, and
have never seen it in Vista. However, as we see, there are variations of the
versions that are made available outside the US, and so I prefer to check
first to confirm rather then to assume it is not available in my own
version. With MS.....ya never know...

Jan

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:25A5EEC9-C3B3-4FB6-B667-DEF4780D94B1@microsoft.com...
> Yeah, the core software never shows up in Add/Remove, including whatever
> version of IE or WMP shipped with the copy of the OS you are using.
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ev41rGh1IHA.3920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I didn't think it would be there, but, figured I cover all the bases.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ECFA6093-CFF3-4619-B082-9994606E8ECE@microsoft.com...
>>>I think all you could remove from XP was IE6 SP1 but IE6 is core also.
>>>And then you have to remove the XP service packs before rolling back to
>>>the original IE.
>>>
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:eQsrJZg1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Nope...no luck. IE is not a component listed there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and me
>>>>> not
>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather
>>>>>> >> > sites
>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I
>>>>>> >> > can
>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation


"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:CEB3B4C0-93CC-4536-B251-E5E4CA132EFC@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Jan.
>
> I haven't followed the thread closely; maybe this has already been
> covered. But, since you gave those two links in your last post, I tried
> them both in IE8b1 with IE7 Emulation ON, first in the x86 version, then
> in x64. (I'm running Vista Ultimate x64, and I get the same results with
> IE7 Emulation OFF.) Here's what I see:
>
> At:
> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>
> in IE8b1 x86, I see the buff-colored highway road map. When I click on
> the Play arrow below the map, maybe there is some animation, but
> apparently not much is happening in your weather today.
>
> In IE8b1 x64, I see the background for the map, but no map - just a big
> square patch of white. At the bottom there is a link to "Get Flash".
> Clicking that gets me the Adobe page with a "TechNote" titled "Flash
> Player support on 64-bit operating systems" and two statements that say:
> ISSUE:
> Adobe Flash Player is not supported for playback in a 64-bit browser.
> However, you can run Flash Player in a 32-bit browser running on a 64-bit
> operating system.
> REASON
> Adobe is working on Flash Player support for 64-bit platforms as part of
> our ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Flash
> Player. We have not yet announced timing or release dates.
>
>
> At:
> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...usinterstateforecastday3_large_animated&day=1
>
> In IE8b1 x86, I see a static green weather map. When I click on Show map
> in motion, it loads the animation and then shows it. At first there seems
> to be no action at all, but then I see a small rain shower dot in the
> south end of Delaware. It appears and disappears as the animation loops.
>
> In IE8b1 x64, I see the same thing. The animation works just as in x86!
> ;<)
>
>
> So the only non-working combo seems to be the first map, and only in IE8b1
> x64. That is, in the 64-bit browser running on 64-bit Vista. And it
> fails only for the first URL, not the second. So the problem may be in
> that web page, not in Vista - or even in Flash.
>
> Matrix: 32-bit IE 64-bit IE
> First URL Works Doesn't Work
> Second URL Works Works
>
> It seems that Adobe doesn't even know that their Flash Player works with
> 64-bit browsers - sometimes.
>
>
> Now, since - as I said - I'm not deeply involved in the thread, I'll back
> off and let you and Robert, Colin, Tony, et al, continue.

Thank you very much for the detailed follow-up, RC. Yes, I noticed the
sporadic animation in the IE8 mode as compared to the IE7 Emulation for the
link you mentioned, but, the other did work fine in both modes. The fact
that since I uninstalled the IE8 neither of the sites will now work
properly, even the one that had worked without fault in IE8, is the
puzzlement. I can't seem to find out what changed, or where. Also, the one
link that no longer will load says that Adobe Flash is required, yet, when I
try to install it, it says that I have the current version installed, even
after I uninstalled it to try to reinstall to see that they would solve the
problem, and so now I can't reinstalle the Adobe Flash that is needed. It
it "Miller time" yet Kemo Sabe?? ))

Jan



>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:#mTPDJi1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ebuY9Dh1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23KctM8Y1IHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23bgEMqX1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am no longer able to get any animation when using the Weather sites
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines with the
>>>>>> IE7
>>>>>> with Vista x86.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>
>>>> The map on the page page won't even render when I switch to the IE x64
>>>> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok. Well, now that we know some other Vista x64 users are reading this
>>> perhaps you will find out at least how common this symptom is? <eg>
>>>
>>> Otherwise one way to try to get more clues about what is different
>>> in the two cases is to use ProcMon. E.g. open the above link as the
>>> first
>>> thing for a new iexplore.exe process to do. That way you will see
>>> the
>>> modules being loaded. If something is not being loaded in the bad case
>>> it might even be sufficient just to use the Process filter (e.g. ignore
>>> RegMon
>>> and FileMon aspects as hopefully extraneous noise.) Then, if that's
>>> not
>>> enough add in the FileMon type tracing. Etc. Note that by default
>>> ProcMon
>>> captures all the detail anyway, so you can always save the trace and
>>> reanalyse
>>> it later with different filters. Note too that when you have two
>>> supposedly
>>> nearly identical saved traces you can analyse them side-by-side.
>>> Unfortunately though you have to use your eyeballs instead of a diff
>>> program
>>> to do that because of all the other details such as timestamps, etc.
>>> which
>>> would make a programmed difference report impractical.
>>
>> I will endeavor the above as gray matter comprehends. While I have
>> all these tools, analysis of such is not one of my more deft attributes.
>> <grin> Expecially, when it doing visual comparisions, as vision in one
>> eye is very limited so extended study is not always an easy thing.
>> However, the programs do have merit and can offer a good information.
>>>
>>> Hmm... it would help if ProcMon didn't BSOD as often as it does but...
>>> ; )
>>
>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> BTW it would probably help if you elaborated on your symptom.
>>> E.g. do you see the map? Does right-clicking on the map give the
>>> same menu? Etc.
>>
>> The map here does not appear at all:
>> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driv...Warn_driving&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar
>>
>> The map here renders but when I click the Show Map In Motion it tries to
>> change to the animation but just hangs indefinitely.
>> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...usinterstateforecastday3_large_animated&day=1
>>>
>>> Also, have you checked on the Adobe forums for previous reports
>>> of the same symptom?
>>
>> I've check out some that speak of animation problems, but, nothing is
>> related to having previously installed the IE8, as least not from what I
>> could tell, nor were the rendering and animation problems the same.
>>
>> When I try to install the Adobe Flash, it says that I have it installed,
>> yet, I have unintsalled it earlier to reinstall and see if that might
>> help. Also, the Adobe Active X download is blocked by IE and I have not
>> yet been able to find how to unblock it. Putting it in my Trusted Zone
>> does not work, nor does any of the Security allowances I have made. So, I
>> can't reinstall it. Although, it says it is installed. So, something may
>> be amiss too. This is all very strange, as it just started since I
>> uninstalled the IE8. The Flash and all had been working fine until then.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>> This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>> returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as I can
>>>>>> think of
>>>>>> and still no solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>> (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother with
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> suggestion.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

First of all I don't put beta stuff on a primary computer natively (I do on
the test box of course). If I want to look at beta stuff on my primary
computer I do it in a vm running on that computer so that I never get into
problems on the host.

Once you have screwed up IE on your physical computer nothing you would do
in a vm can help, of course. I'm just saying it is easy enough not to get
into that kind of mess in the first place.

"Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
news:e9VbfOk1IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> My questions is, how does that help the host Vista IE if it is borked?
> What if I install the IE8 on the Vista on the VPC, uninstall it and it
> works fine? I am not trying to blame the IE8 for the problem with the IE7
> on the one machine, but, something got changed and I need to find out what
> it is so I can fix it. So, what would installing another copy of the
> Vista Ultimate x64 on a VPC prove? I am not trying to be argumentative,
> but, am curious about what your thinking is that might be a telling
> result. As it has been working fine on the x64 machine since Vista x64
> was installed Vista went RTM, and it worked just fine after installing the
> IE8 beta since its release, so that should say something for the OS. The
> fact that the problem has only happened since I uninstalled the IE8 beta
> leads me to think that it is more in the way of something that got borked
> in IE when the IE8 was uninstalled. Which may not necessarily have
> anything to do with it being an x64 or x86 OS, or IE8.
>
> I really don't know, it is my first time around with this issue, and the
> immediate circumstances, so I am trying to do as much troubleshooting as I
> can on my end, given that I am not sure what is really the basic cause of
> the problem to home in on. I can do the whole 9 yards with the VPC, but,
> I am not sure that any evidence that it might provide would really be that
> useful in nailing down where the problem really lies, other than it does
> not happen there. I have to weigh the time involved against the possible
> benefits.
>
> Jan
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:278AAEC3-9966-4D30-845C-C9B485DECC24@microsoft.com...
>> Ah, but if it is the IE in the vm that is borked and not the one on the
>> computer itself then it is an easy bork to get rid of.
>>
>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uWF2ili1IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:3F91092F-6A08-40C1-B4B9-CECDAD315018@microsoft.com...
>>>> What you said above in response to Tony, "I can try it. I am am not
>>>> keen to do a Vista repair if there is any way I
>>>> can avoid it." So use VPC and install a copy of Vista in a virtual
>>>> machine to experiment with. When you are done just delete the virtual
>>>> machine. That's the way to try out stuff without it affecting your
>>>> computer.
>>>
>>> Ah...I meant by my reply to Tony was that I was willing to try
>>> suggestions. Doing a repair of vista is the last thing I want to do, and
>>> only if it is the last resort. However, I didn't really expect to find
>>> the IE listed in the components list, nor listed in the Programs and
>>> Features of VIsta, as it is not a separate install, ats least not in my
>>> version, but, I figured it wouldn't hurt to check it out anyway. But, I
>>> see what you mean now. I don't anticipate the need for using VPC. If
>>> the IE is borked the VPC won't help.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:OJcVmHh1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Sorry...I don't follow the idea....try what in a virtual machine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EF17A5B7-3E82-4465-A7AB-D9486FDB1288@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Try it in a virtual machine first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23P9AbVg1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and
>>>>>>>> me not
>>>>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can try it. I am am not keen to do a Vista repair if there is any
>>>>>>> way I can avoid it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with IE8.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>>>>>>>>> >> > Weather sites
>>>>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much as
>>>>>>>>> >> > I can
>>>>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Tony Sperling]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?


Tony. . .

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation


"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?

I may be wrong, and as you obviously are not using the US version of Vista,
I can not say if Vista SP updates would apply to any and all IE7 installs,
be they core or seperate installs. While IE may not be a core part of all
Vista versions, I really have no idea if such updates would apply to all IE,
including installs that are not part of the core software. I truly don't
know, Tony. Maybe there are others here who are more into that area who
might be able to add more light on the subject. I am only at the "G" part
of the Geek status. )

Jan

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

No.

Vista SP1 does have some updates for IE7 but the last IE to have its own
service pack was 6. IE8 will be entering beta 2 in a few months but is
still pretty far from rtm. There is still a chance for an IE7 service pack
because IE8 would be optional in Vista anyway, but there is no chatter about
one that I have seen.

btw, according to the service pack lifecycle table, support ended for
installation of IE6 SP1 in 2006. For IE6 SP1 already installed on a version
of Windows, support ends as that version of Windows is retired.

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
>

 

[Tony Sperling]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

No, I am in Denmark and although I exclusivly use English software
(spell-checkers not counting) the US version cannot be distributed overseas,
as far as I know. So the English version I use goes by the name
'International'. Here, in the begining, it is slightly cheaper than the
previous Danish version (because it hasn't been translated yet), later on,
you can only get it at a premium, which is why I developed into being an
early adopter of many things!

It is true, the internals are different, and I am having trouble keeping
abreast with it all as sometimes the differences seem to differ too.

I confess, I was gripping at straws back there - I was thinking if there
were some little part that you could re-install? Well - what about your
restore-points? Have we gone through those here all ready?

If you remove the TCP/IP stack, your IE will go blind and lame all at
once - do a couple of cold-boots giving it time to settle and warm up nicely
in between, and then re-install the stack - sounds too crazy! It certainly
belongs in the category of the longer shots, but then, it would seem your
issue was triggered by something trivial? It's one bitter cure I wouldn't
mind swallowing in a critical situation - I do not think you risk any
further trouble - something you're not seeing now, and I begin to think
you'll end up doing a 'repair' install anyhow!


Tony. . .





"Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23ZYwRpl1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?
>
> I may be wrong, and as you obviously are not using the US version of
Vista,
> I can not say if Vista SP updates would apply to any and all IE7 installs,
> be they core or seperate installs. While IE may not be a core part of all
> Vista versions, I really have no idea if such updates would apply to all
IE,
> including installs that are not part of the core software. I truly don't
> know, Tony. Maybe there are others here who are more into that area who
> might be able to add more light on the subject. I am only at the "G" part
> of the Geek status. )
>
> Jan
>
>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

I never install any beta software on any primary or production machine
either, I have a machine that is used only for beta testing and that is the
one that is now having the IE problem. What I am trying to find out is what
has caused the problem. According to the instructions, all one need do is
uninstall the IE8 and IE7 is back to normal. As that is not the case here,
I am trying to find out why and perhaps how to fix it if.

Jan

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3A2ACB4D-B380-4244-B2BA-AA28C496B67D@microsoft.com...
> First of all I don't put beta stuff on a primary computer natively (I do
> on the test box of course). If I want to look at beta stuff on my primary
> computer I do it in a vm running on that computer so that I never get into
> problems on the host.
>
> Once you have screwed up IE on your physical computer nothing you would do
> in a vm can help, of course. I'm just saying it is easy enough not to get
> into that kind of mess in the first place.
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e9VbfOk1IHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> My questions is, how does that help the host Vista IE if it is borked?
>> What if I install the IE8 on the Vista on the VPC, uninstall it and it
>> works fine? I am not trying to blame the IE8 for the problem with the
>> IE7 on the one machine, but, something got changed and I need to find out
>> what it is so I can fix it. So, what would installing another copy of
>> the Vista Ultimate x64 on a VPC prove? I am not trying to be
>> argumentative, but, am curious about what your thinking is that might be
>> a telling result. As it has been working fine on the x64 machine since
>> Vista x64 was installed Vista went RTM, and it worked just fine after
>> installing the IE8 beta since its release, so that should say something
>> for the OS. The fact that the problem has only happened since I
>> uninstalled the IE8 beta leads me to think that it is more in the way of
>> something that got borked in IE when the IE8 was uninstalled. Which may
>> not necessarily have anything to do with it being an x64 or x86 OS, or
>> IE8.
>>
>> I really don't know, it is my first time around with this issue, and the
>> immediate circumstances, so I am trying to do as much troubleshooting as
>> I can on my end, given that I am not sure what is really the basic cause
>> of the problem to home in on. I can do the whole 9 yards with the VPC,
>> but, I am not sure that any evidence that it might provide would really
>> be that useful in nailing down where the problem really lies, other than
>> it does not happen there. I have to weigh the time involved against the
>> possible benefits.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:278AAEC3-9966-4D30-845C-C9B485DECC24@microsoft.com...
>>> Ah, but if it is the IE in the vm that is borked and not the one on the
>>> computer itself then it is an easy bork to get rid of.
>>>
>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:uWF2ili1IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:3F91092F-6A08-40C1-B4B9-CECDAD315018@microsoft.com...
>>>>> What you said above in response to Tony, "I can try it. I am am not
>>>>> keen to do a Vista repair if there is any way I
>>>>> can avoid it." So use VPC and install a copy of Vista in a virtual
>>>>> machine to experiment with. When you are done just delete the virtual
>>>>> machine. That's the way to try out stuff without it affecting your
>>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> Ah...I meant by my reply to Tony was that I was willing to try
>>>> suggestions. Doing a repair of vista is the last thing I want to do,
>>>> and only if it is the last resort. However, I didn't really expect to
>>>> find the IE listed in the components list, nor listed in the Programs
>>>> and Features of VIsta, as it is not a separate install, ats least not
>>>> in my version, but, I figured it wouldn't hurt to check it out anyway.
>>>> But, I see what you mean now. I don't anticipate the need for using
>>>> VPC. If the IE is borked the VPC won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OJcVmHh1IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Sorry...I don't follow the idea....try what in a virtual machine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:EF17A5B7-3E82-4465-A7AB-D9486FDB1288@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Try it in a virtual machine first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23P9AbVg1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23FZPEPZ1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Well, I thought Carlos had a good point there - that failing, and
>>>>>>>>> me not
>>>>>>>>> being a Vista Genius, have you tried uninstalling IE7 - rebooting
>>>>>>>>> (coldboot!) and re-install?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can try it. I am am not keen to do a Vista repair if there is any
>>>>>>>> way I can avoid it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tony. . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uObXa8Y1IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:16361C0D-34D8-43AA-A6E4-225447B36F69@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> > Robert,
>>>>>>>>>> > My guess is that Flash Player got uninstalled together with
>>>>>>>>>> > IE8.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Download and install Flash Player 10 from here:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_activex_051508.exe
>>>>>>>>>> > Post back your results.
>>>>>>>>>> > IE7 32-bit should be "animated" again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that has been installed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Carlos
>>>>>>>>>> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> (cross-post added to 64bit General)
>>>>>>>>>> >> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> >> news:udaEPdV1IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> >> > IE7, Vista Ultimate x64
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I am no longer able to get any animation when using the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Weather sites
>>>>>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>>>>>> >> > this machine. Animation works fine on my other two machines
>>>>>>>>>> >> > with the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > IE7
>>>>>>>>>> >> > with Vista x86.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> What about the case: 32-bit IE7 when run under x64? ; )
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > This has just started since I uninstalled the IE8 beta and
>>>>>>>>>> >> > returned to the IE7. I have tired to troubleshoot as much
>>>>>>>>>> >> > as I can
>>>>>>>>>> >> > think of
>>>>>>>>>> >> > and still no solution.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Any suggestions of where I might check into next would be
>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > (FYI...I do not like, nor will use, FireFox, so don't bother
>>>>>>>>>> >> > with
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > suggestion.)
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Jan
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Thanks for the explanation on the version variations, Tony. The IE8 has
been on the machine for several months and the Restore Points don't go back
that far so that is not really an option. While I could go back to before I
uninstalled the IE8, it would not help with the fact that once uninstalled I
would face the same problem. You may be right about the repair. That may
be the only alternative other than a reinstall. Being as it is a test
machine I have an image so it would not be all that bad. I was interested
in finding out what caused the problem and perhaps how to fix it so that I
might be able to help others who may run into the same problem. A repair is
not something that I like to recommend first off if perhaps something less
extreme will work.

Jan

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:%237uQCkq1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No, I am in Denmark and although I exclusivly use English software
> (spell-checkers not counting) the US version cannot be distributed
> overseas,
> as far as I know. So the English version I use goes by the name
> 'International'. Here, in the begining, it is slightly cheaper than the
> previous Danish version (because it hasn't been translated yet), later on,
> you can only get it at a premium, which is why I developed into being an
> early adopter of many things!
>
> It is true, the internals are different, and I am having trouble keeping
> abreast with it all as sometimes the differences seem to differ too.
>
> I confess, I was gripping at straws back there - I was thinking if there
> were some little part that you could re-install? Well - what about your
> restore-points? Have we gone through those here all ready?
>
> If you remove the TCP/IP stack, your IE will go blind and lame all at
> once - do a couple of cold-boots giving it time to settle and warm up
> nicely
> in between, and then re-install the stack - sounds too crazy! It certainly
> belongs in the category of the longer shots, but then, it would seem your
> issue was triggered by something trivial? It's one bitter cure I wouldn't
> mind swallowing in a critical situation - I do not think you risk any
> further trouble - something you're not seeing now, and I begin to think
> you'll end up doing a 'repair' install anyhow!
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23ZYwRpl1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?
>>
>> I may be wrong, and as you obviously are not using the US version of
> Vista,
>> I can not say if Vista SP updates would apply to any and all IE7
>> installs,
>> be they core or seperate installs. While IE may not be a core part of
>> all
>> Vista versions, I really have no idea if such updates would apply to all
> IE,
>> including installs that are not part of the core software. I truly don't
>> know, Tony. Maybe there are others here who are more into that area who
>> might be able to add more light on the subject. I am only at the "G"
>> part
>> of the Geek status. )
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Tony Sperling]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

O.K. - this being the case, I think I would be tempted to go back to the '8'
and let it run for a while before taking it away again. It might not be the
same, who knows what all the electrons were up to at the time? Everything
has an explanation - but not all explanations can be found.

Tony. . .



"Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
news:u2idpFr1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the explanation on the version variations, Tony. The IE8 has
> been on the machine for several months and the Restore Points don't go
back
> that far so that is not really an option. While I could go back to before
I
> uninstalled the IE8, it would not help with the fact that once uninstalled
I
> would face the same problem. You may be right about the repair. That may
> be the only alternative other than a reinstall. Being as it is a test
> machine I have an image so it would not be all that bad. I was interested
> in finding out what caused the problem and perhaps how to fix it so that I
> might be able to help others who may run into the same problem. A repair
is
> not something that I like to recommend first off if perhaps something less
> extreme will work.
>
> Jan
>
> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> news:%237uQCkq1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > No, I am in Denmark and although I exclusivly use English software
> > (spell-checkers not counting) the US version cannot be distributed
> > overseas,
> > as far as I know. So the English version I use goes by the name
> > 'International'. Here, in the begining, it is slightly cheaper than the
> > previous Danish version (because it hasn't been translated yet), later
on,
> > you can only get it at a premium, which is why I developed into being an
> > early adopter of many things!
> >
> > It is true, the internals are different, and I am having trouble keeping
> > abreast with it all as sometimes the differences seem to differ too.
> >
> > I confess, I was gripping at straws back there - I was thinking if there
> > were some little part that you could re-install? Well - what about your
> > restore-points? Have we gone through those here all ready?
> >
> > If you remove the TCP/IP stack, your IE will go blind and lame all at
> > once - do a couple of cold-boots giving it time to settle and warm up
> > nicely
> > in between, and then re-install the stack - sounds too crazy! It
certainly
> > belongs in the category of the longer shots, but then, it would seem
your
> > issue was triggered by something trivial? It's one bitter cure I
wouldn't
> > mind swallowing in a critical situation - I do not think you risk any
> > further trouble - something you're not seeing now, and I begin to think
> > you'll end up doing a 'repair' install anyhow!
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:%23ZYwRpl1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> >> news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?
> >>
> >> I may be wrong, and as you obviously are not using the US version of
> > Vista,
> >> I can not say if Vista SP updates would apply to any and all IE7
> >> installs,
> >> be they core or seperate installs. While IE may not be a core part of
> >> all
> >> Vista versions, I really have no idea if such updates would apply to
all
> > IE,
> >> including installs that are not part of the core software. I truly
don't
> >> know, Tony. Maybe there are others here who are more into that area
who
> >> might be able to add more light on the subject. I am only at the "G"
> >> part
> >> of the Geek status. )
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

 

[Jan :\)]

Re: No longer have animation

Re: No longer have animation

Worth a try I guess....don't seem to have much to lose at this point if it
does not work.

Jan

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
news:ORwhajr1IHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> O.K. - this being the case, I think I would be tempted to go back to the
> '8'
> and let it run for a while before taking it away again. It might not be
> the
> same, who knows what all the electrons were up to at the time? Everything
> has an explanation - but not all explanations can be found.
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
>
> "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:u2idpFr1IHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the explanation on the version variations, Tony. The IE8 has
>> been on the machine for several months and the Restore Points don't go
> back
>> that far so that is not really an option. While I could go back to
>> before
> I
>> uninstalled the IE8, it would not help with the fact that once
>> uninstalled
> I
>> would face the same problem. You may be right about the repair. That
>> may
>> be the only alternative other than a reinstall. Being as it is a test
>> machine I have an image so it would not be all that bad. I was
>> interested
>> in finding out what caused the problem and perhaps how to fix it so that
>> I
>> might be able to help others who may run into the same problem. A repair
> is
>> not something that I like to recommend first off if perhaps something
>> less
>> extreme will work.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> news:%237uQCkq1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > No, I am in Denmark and although I exclusivly use English software
>> > (spell-checkers not counting) the US version cannot be distributed
>> > overseas,
>> > as far as I know. So the English version I use goes by the name
>> > 'International'. Here, in the begining, it is slightly cheaper than the
>> > previous Danish version (because it hasn't been translated yet), later
> on,
>> > you can only get it at a premium, which is why I developed into being
>> > an
>> > early adopter of many things!
>> >
>> > It is true, the internals are different, and I am having trouble
>> > keeping
>> > abreast with it all as sometimes the differences seem to differ too.
>> >
>> > I confess, I was gripping at straws back there - I was thinking if
>> > there
>> > were some little part that you could re-install? Well - what about your
>> > restore-points? Have we gone through those here all ready?
>> >
>> > If you remove the TCP/IP stack, your IE will go blind and lame all at
>> > once - do a couple of cold-boots giving it time to settle and warm up
>> > nicely
>> > in between, and then re-install the stack - sounds too crazy! It
> certainly
>> > belongs in the category of the longer shots, but then, it would seem
> your
>> > issue was triggered by something trivial? It's one bitter cure I
> wouldn't
>> > mind swallowing in a critical situation - I do not think you risk any
>> > further trouble - something you're not seeing now, and I begin to think
>> > you'll end up doing a 'repair' install anyhow!
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jan " <abuse@localhost.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:%23ZYwRpl1IHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>
>> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23ySd%23Yl1IHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >I just don't remember - does IE7 have an SP for Vista?
>> >>
>> >> I may be wrong, and as you obviously are not using the US version of
>> > Vista,
>> >> I can not say if Vista SP updates would apply to any and all IE7
>> >> installs,
>> >> be they core or seperate installs. While IE may not be a core part of
>> >> all
>> >> Vista versions, I really have no idea if such updates would apply to
> all
>> > IE,
>> >> including installs that are not part of the core software. I truly
> don't
>> >> know, Tony. Maybe there are others here who are more into that area
> who
>> >> might be able to add more light on the subject. I am only at the "G"
>> >> part
>> >> of the Geek status. )
>> >>
>> >> Jan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>