A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ?

[Franc Zabkar]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:55:56 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>| I have an AMD K6-2 450MHz. The Ricoh reads at 6X in P-CAV mode.
>
> Well, that's about the min. for reliable CDR/W. You must be having some
>difficulties by now with the new inks and disks..?

I don't use it much anymore. Instead I have an LG DVD writer in my
Athlon XP box. The Ricoh burns Verbatim 1X-16x blanks but has trouble
with TDK 52X CD-Rs.

BTW, if you suspect your drive is burning slowly due to a particular
brand of disc, I think this utility may provide an answer. It analyses
your drive's firmware and reports the hard coded write speeds for
supported media:
http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/MediaCodeSpeedEdit.zip
http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/

You can also use it to patch new media types and speeds into your
existing firmware.

>| I used version 0.84 beta of CD Speed for my CPU utilisation and
>| interface burst rate tests. Version 1.01.3 produced a result of 0 for
>| the Ricoh's burst rate in both DMA and PIO modes, and a burst rate of
>| 1MB/s (1158KB/s) for the 10X DVD-ROM in DMA mode.
>|
>| This is what I get with a Drive Check:
>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt
>
>Got a 404 on the MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt link
>It should be:
>http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A/MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt

Sorry.

> Oh so its only 6X??? oh wow...

Yeah, it's as old as Methusalah but it still works (it cost me about
AU$460). However, I'm a little annoyed that its DMA capability appears
to have been an unfinished project.

>| Version 1.02 of Info Tool produced these results:
>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A/
>
>Strange, 0 read speed, no read-out, the drive isn't being recognized
>properly... see a couple of differences in our drivers, esdi-506.pdr, loaded
>system files, etc...
>
>1.03.3 Info Tool read-out for my Samsung drive has been sent to you for
>comparison... meb-samsung-InfoTool.zip

Got it.

>| In DMA mode, Info Tool hung while interrogating the Ricoh. I was able
>| to regain control of the program by opening or closing the tray, but
>| the R/W features were not detected.
>
> You might be getting a residual from your manual flash change or your
>present driver configuration... though I have noted those same issues when a
>drive is about to flake out..

FWIW, here is a Ricoh utility to change transfer modes between UDMA
and MW-DMA:
http://ext.ricoh.co.jp/cd-r/exe/RDTMC.exe

It doesn't see my drive, though.

>| What I don't understand about the CPU utilization result in CD Speed
>| is that during a file copy test with Explorer, CpuIdle hardly budged
>| from a figure of ~95% idle. Furthermore, the same test with my 10X
>| DVD-ROM drive (at 2.2MB/s) resulted in 85% CPU idle time in DMA mode
>| and 60% idle in PIO mode. With the CPU sitting at 98% when completely
>| idle, this equates to 13% busy in DMA mode and 38% busy in PIO mode, a
>| difference of 1:3. This ratio is consistent with that observed with CD
>| Speed:
>|
>| 1X 2X 4X 8X Drive speed for DVD-ROM
>| --------------
>| 1 2 5 10 % CPU utilisation in DMA mode
>| 3 7 14 29 % CPU utilisation in PIO mode
>|
>| - Franc Zabkar
>
> Might want to compare the drivers - yours verses mine, and re-flash the
>Ricoh with the authorized flash version for comparison.
>Something is wacked here, but so far its eluding me... let me mual over your
>drivers and info for a bit...
>
>Did notice that 6X CDROMs are listed as unsupported in Nero's CFG and it
>contains no obvious Ricoh entries.

CD Speed's results for my Ricoh make some kind of sense at 1X and 2X
speeds (CPU utilisation doubles when reading at 2X), but the numbers
are wacky at 4X and 8X, possibly because the drive doesn't support
these speed strategies, only 1X, 2X, and 6X. I don't want to risk
another flash, though ...

>http://www.ricoh.com/drive/asia/support/faq/mp6200/pc_a.html
>MP6200A(ATAPI model); Bus master driver.
>. In some cases the Bus Master device driver does not support the CD-RW
>drive. In this case, it is recommended to change to a Standard IDE driver ...

>Application information
>. Problems may occur if memory resident programs like anti-virus software
>are installed.

>. Errors may occur with Task-scheduler running in the background.

>. Real-Player (version 4.0 or over) may cause errors ...

None of the above apply in my case.

- Franc Zabkar
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[MEB]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

In news:b5oi74dfv0v3m3fmkunmkfu7miel50ninl@4ax.com ,
Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted:

| On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:55:56 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>| I have an AMD K6-2 450MHz. The Ricoh reads at 6X in P-CAV mode.
|>
|> Well, that's about the min. for reliable CDR/W. You must be having
|>some difficulties by now with the new inks and disks..?
|
| I don't use it much anymore. Instead I have an LG DVD writer in my
| Athlon XP box. The Ricoh burns Verbatim 1X-16x blanks but has trouble
| with TDK 52X CD-Rs.

I can see why it would have some difficulty with newer disks.

|
| BTW, if you suspect your drive is burning slowly due to a particular
| brand of disc, I think this utility may provide an answer. It analyses
| your drive's firmware and reports the hard coded write speeds for
| supported media:
| http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/MediaCodeSpeedEdit.zip
| http://ala42.cdfreaks.com/MCSE/

Got it, will look at it, though it has more thumbs down ratings than good..

|
| You can also use it to patch new media types and speeds into your
| existing firmware.

Saw that, which is why I decided to download for a look-see.

|
|>| I used version 0.84 beta of CD Speed for my CPU utilisation and
|>| interface burst rate tests. Version 1.01.3 produced a result of 0
|>| for the Ricoh's burst rate in both DMA and PIO modes, and a burst
|>| rate of 1MB/s (1158KB/s) for the 10X DVD-ROM in DMA mode.
|>|
|>| This is what I get with a Drive Check:
|>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt
|>
|>Got a 404 on the MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt link
|>It should be:
|>http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A/MP6200A_DriveCheck.txt
|
| Sorry.
|
|> Oh so its only 6X??? oh wow...
|
| Yeah, it's as old as Methusalah but it still works (it cost me about
| AU$460). However, I'm a little annoyed that its DMA capability appears
| to have been an unfinished project.

Yeah, I'm not convinced the DMA hack actually did much for the drive
anyway..

Comparing the two (DMA on and off files) it seems the drive wasn't properly
recognized when DMA was supposedly on when comparing the files you posted.
Drive Information is not *seen* on the RICOH MP6200A when DMA is ON
according to your posted files...


|
|>| Version 1.02 of Info Tool produced these results:
|>| http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/MP6200A/
|>
|>Strange, 0 read speed, no read-out, the drive isn't being recognized
|>properly... see a couple of differences in our drivers, esdi-506.pdr,
|>loaded system files, etc...
|>
|>1.03.3 Info Tool read-out for my Samsung drive has been sent to you
|>for comparison... meb-samsung-InfoTool.zip
|
| Got it.
|
|>| In DMA mode, Info Tool hung while interrogating the Ricoh. I was
|>| able to regain control of the program by opening or closing the
|>| tray, but the R/W features were not detected.
|>
|> You might be getting a residual from your manual flash change or your
|>present driver configuration... though I have noted those same issues
|>when a drive is about to flake out..
|
| FWIW, here is a Ricoh utility to change transfer modes between UDMA
| and MW-DMA:
| http://ext.ricoh.co.jp/cd-r/exe/RDTMC.exe
|
| It doesn't see my drive, though.

Hmm, not a good sign, though it may be too old for the tool or not designed
for it {obviously}..

|
|>| What I don't understand about the CPU utilization result in CD Speed
|>| is that during a file copy test with Explorer, CpuIdle hardly budged
|>| from a figure of ~95% idle. Furthermore, the same test with my 10X
|>| DVD-ROM drive (at 2.2MB/s) resulted in 85% CPU idle time in DMA mode
|>| and 60% idle in PIO mode. With the CPU sitting at 98% when
|>| completely idle, this equates to 13% busy in DMA mode and 38% busy
|>| in PIO mode, a difference of 1:3. This ratio is consistent with
|>| that observed with CD Speed:
|>|
|>| 1X 2X 4X 8X Drive speed for DVD-ROM
|>| --------------
|>| 1 2 5 10 % CPU utilisation in DMA mode
|>| 3 7 14 29 % CPU utilisation in PIO mode
|>|
|>| - Franc Zabkar
|>
|> Might want to compare the drivers - yours verses mine, and re-flash
|>the Ricoh with the authorized flash version for comparison.
|>Something is wacked here, but so far its eluding me... let me mual
|>over your drivers and info for a bit...
|>
|>Did notice that 6X CDROMs are listed as unsupported in Nero's CFG and
|>it contains no obvious Ricoh entries.
|
| CD Speed's results for my Ricoh make some kind of sense at 1X and 2X
| speeds (CPU utilisation doubles when reading at 2X), but the numbers
| are wacky at 4X and 8X, possibly because the drive doesn't support
| these speed strategies, only 1X, 2X, and 6X. I don't want to risk
| another flash, though ...

I don't blame you on the flash aspect, it IS an old drive...
Now that my brain is keyed to 6X it makes sense that the CPU was 100% at
8X, the speed [attempted data transfer] was just too great for the drive to
handle.. and 4X is darn close to actually being too much..

PER PRIOR POSTED:
-----QUOTE
However, the CPU utilization numbers were consistently different,
although not by much. The following tables represent two sets of five
trials.

DMA off
---------------------------
Speed CPU utilisation %
---------------------------
1X 9 9 9 8 9
2X 16 16 16 16 16
4X 94 94 95 93 92
8X 100 100 100 100 100
---------------------------

DMA on
---------------------------
Speed CPU utilisation %
---------------------------
1X 8 8 7 7 7
2X 12 14 13 14 13
4X 92 93 95 93 92
8X 100 100 100 100 100
---------------------------
---------END QUOTE

So again, it doesn't appear the hack did much, there should have been a
much greater gain - less CPU usage.

|
|>http://www.ricoh.com/drive/asia/support/faq/mp6200/pc_a.html
|>MP6200A(ATAPI model); Bus master driver.
|>. In some cases the Bus Master device driver does not support the
|>CD-RW drive. In this case, it is recommended to change to a Standard
|>IDE driver ...
|
|>Application information
|>. Problems may occur if memory resident programs like anti-virus
|>software are installed.
|
|>. Errors may occur with Task-scheduler running in the background.
|
|>. Real-Player (version 4.0 or over) may cause errors ...
|
| None of the above apply in my case.
|
| - Franc Zabkar

Just FYI stuff anyway... after a quick look at your drivers, I note that
some of the MD USB files are being shown, and,

* no smartvsd.vxd
DRVSPACX - ah why is this


and this section:
Driver : USBMPHLP
Description : USBMPHLP Virtual Device (Version 4.0)
Version : 4.90.3000
Company : Microsoft Corporation

Driver : DRVWCDB
Description : Device Driver
Version : 3.10.36a
Company : Seagate Software, Inc.

Driver : DRVWPPQT
Description : Device Driver
Version : 3.10.36a
Company : Seagate Software, Inc.

Driver : DRVWQ117
Description : Device Driver
Version : 3.10.36a
Company : Seagate Software, Inc.

Driver : APIX
Description : Adaptec APIX Virtual Device
Version : 4.71 (0002)
Company : Adaptec

Driver : APIX9X
Description : APIX Virtual Device (Version 4.0)
Version : 4.00.952
Company : Microsoft Corporation

** Still got a tape drive attached??

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[Shadow]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:25:42 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>|>
>|>The Settings tab of the PCI Bus allows "Device enumeration" to "Use
>|>Hardware" or "Use BIOS". Mine is bolted to use hardware. There also
>|>is a checkbox to "Override Bridges", which is unchecked for me. Here
>|>is the blurb for those...
"Click selection checkbox to "unconsider" BIOS configurations
for PCI bridge"

>Under your Secondary IDE Controller there is JUST the DVD listed, like
>mine shows just that CD-R/W?
Yes
>
>|>"Select (Override Bridges) box to disregard the BIOS settings for the
>|>PCI bridge."
>
>| Can't find that. But Microsoft translates very badly. The
>| spell checker is called an OROgraphic checker
>
>Uh-huh. You appear to have "substitute connections", instead. But we are
>both unchecked for that. What are you saying about your spell checker?
The Brazilian translation is awful.
>Those settings are scarey to fool with. But, if everything is showing up
>for you in Device Manager, looks like you've got both your IDE Channels
>enabled.
Yep.

>That shouldn't have a bearing on the DMA issue. Sounds like all your
>settings are much like mine. I see nothing in this to explain your
>peculiar circumstance with that DVD.
Probably a samsung/asus bug. But it DOES work as master under
linux. So probably best just to leave it as slave. Works under both OS
that way.
[]'s

 

[PCR]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED

Shadow wrote:
| On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:25:42 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
|>|>
|>|>The Settings tab of the PCI Bus allows "Device enumeration" to "Use
|>|>Hardware" or "Use BIOS". Mine is bolted to use hardware. There also
|>|>is a checkbox to "Override Bridges", which is unchecked for me. Here
|>|>is the blurb for those...

| "Click selection checkbox to "unconsider" BIOS configurations
| for PCI bridge"

OK. Just as I guessed.

|>Under your Secondary IDE Controller there is JUST the DVD listed, like
|>mine shows just that CD-R/W?

| Yes

Just checking one last time. OK, fine.

|>
|>|>"Select (Override Bridges) box to disregard the BIOS settings for
|>|>the PCI bridge."
|>
|>| Can't find that. But Microsoft translates very badly. The
|>| spell checker is called an OROgraphic checker
|>

|>Uh-huh. You appear to have "substitute connections", instead. But we
|>are both unchecked for that. What are you saying about your spell
|>checker?
| The Brazilian translation is awful.

Oops, that's right-- forgot. OK.

|>Those settings are scarey to fool with. But, if everything is showing
|>up for you in Device Manager, looks like you've got both your IDE
|>Channels enabled.

| Yep.

Yea. Good.

|>That shouldn't have a bearing on the DMA issue. Sounds like all your
|>settings are much like mine. I see nothing in this to explain your
|>peculiar circumstance with that DVD.

| Probably a samsung/asus bug. But it DOES work as master under
| linux. So probably best just to leave it as slave. Works under both OS
| that way.

Sounds like a good plan to me. You did well to persist & find that
cludge. I can come up with nothing else.

| []'s

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:48:58 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

> Just FYI stuff anyway... after a quick look at your drivers, I note that
>some of the MD USB files are being shown, and,
>
>* no smartvsd.vxd

It exists in both C:\WIN98SE\SYSTEM and C:\WIN98SE\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS and
is in the list above USBMPHLP.

>DRVSPACX - ah why is this

I don't use compression.

>and this section:
>
>Driver : DRVWCDB
>
>Driver : DRVWPPQT
>
>Driver : DRVWQ117

> ** Still got a tape drive attached??
>
>--
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

I never had a tape drive on this machine. IIRC, I once tried MS Backup
which I have since uninstalled but I never bothered to clean up DM.

According to this URL ...

http://www.hastec.nl/support/onstream/support/knowledge/kb-art-1002.html

.... MS Backup is the likely reason for the presence of those files.

Anyway, after deleting the following keys ...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\TAPECONTROLLER\TAPEDETECTION\000n

.... and renaming the DRVWCDB.vxd, DRVWQ117.vxd, and DRVWPPQT.vxd files
in the C:\WIN98SES\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS directory, and the PnpWppt.INF file
in the INF directory, the TAPE entries disappeared from DM.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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[MEB]

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

Re: A hack, anyone, to turn on dma ? SOLVED ???

In news:621l749910un0n3h7s6dgcd0dqqbb1saj5@4ax.com ,
Franc Zabkar contemplated and posted:

| On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:48:58 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|> Just FYI stuff anyway... after a quick look at your drivers, I note
|>that some of the MD USB files are being shown, and,
|>
|>* no smartvsd.vxd
|
| It exists in both C:\WIN98SE\SYSTEM and C:\WIN98SE\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS and
| is in the list above USBMPHLP.

Oh gees, you're right,, must have need another cup'o'java

|
|>DRVSPACX - ah why is this
|
| I don't use compression.

And why BIGMEM? Loaded for DOS activities I guess...

|
|>and this section:
|>
|>Driver : DRVWCDB
|>
|>Driver : DRVWPPQT
|>
|>Driver : DRVWQ117
|
|> ** Still got a tape drive attached??
|>
|>--
|> MEB
|> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|
| I never had a tape drive on this machine. IIRC, I once tried MS Backup
| which I have since uninstalled but I never bothered to clean up DM.
|
| According to this URL ...
|
| http://www.hastec.nl/support/onstream/support/knowledge/kb-art-1002.html
|
| ... MS Backup is the likely reason for the presence of those files.
|
| Anyway, after deleting the following keys ...
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\TAPECONTROLLER\TAPEDETECTION\000n
|
| ... and renaming the DRVWCDB.vxd, DRVWQ117.vxd, and DRVWPPQT.vxd files
| in the C:\WIN98SES\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS directory, and the PnpWppt.INF file
| in the INF directory, the TAPE entries disappeared from DM.
|
| - Franc Zabkar

Yeah, that would have done it...

Anyway, kinda drifting off the mark...

ASPI looks okay I suppose, so does esdi_506.pdr though you could have a
newer version via a few official or unofficial updates. Did you miss the
Nero update for version 5? Need it? nero551056.exe - 19,171KB

Still not happy that when DMA is enabled the drive _isn't_ being recognized
at all, but when DMA disabled *it is*...

And I missed:
Write Speed (Max.) : 2 X.
so the drive tests were REALLY pushing the limits of the drive.

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