Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

[Bobby Johnson]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Bobby,
>
> Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can
> install LLTD, please?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson
> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and
>> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I
>> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista.
>>
>>
>>
>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice.
>>>
>>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64
>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s
>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)?
>>>
>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder"
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to
>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it.
>>>>
>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a
>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router.
>>>>
>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router
>>>> and laptop by wireless.
>>>>
>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2
>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer
>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each
>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the
>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going
>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can
>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward
>>>> under Vista on the laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated.
> William

 

[me@tarquin.demon.co.uk]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

It is Bobby.

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:45:26 -0400, Bobby Johnson
<rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote:

>Is this a valid email?
>me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> Bobby,
>>
>> Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can
>> install LLTD, please?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson
>> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and
>>> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I
>>> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice.
>>>>
>>>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64
>>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s
>>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)?
>>>>
>>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder"
>>>> basis.
>>>>
>>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to
>>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a
>>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router
>>>>> and laptop by wireless.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2
>>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer
>>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each
>>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the
>>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going
>>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can
>>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward
>>>>> under Vista on the laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated.
>> William
William

 

[Bobby Johnson]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

I sent the files. They are also attached to my previous post.

me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
> It is Bobby.
>
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:45:26 -0400, Bobby Johnson
> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this a valid email?
>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bobby,
>>>
>>> Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can
>>> install LLTD, please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson
>>> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and
>>>> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I
>>>> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64
>>>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s
>>>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder"
>>>>> basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to
>>>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a
>>>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router
>>>>>> and laptop by wireless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2
>>>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer
>>>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each
>>>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the
>>>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going
>>>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can
>>>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward
>>>>>> under Vista on the laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated.
>>> William
> William

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

"Bobby Johnson" wrote:
> One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. There
> is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. Without
> the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine.

I came across this thread a couple months later than its
posting, but I'd like to register that XP running LLTD seems
not to be necessary for XP to be seen by Vista. I have a
Vista 32-bit Business Edition with SP1 and an XP Pro Edition
with SP3, and they see each other's Shared (XP) and Public
(Vista) files just fine without LLTD. XP sees Vista in My
Network Places, and Vista sees XP in Network. LLTD seems
just necessary to draw the pretty pictures of the connected
machines.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Bobby Johnson]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

Have you checked in the network adapter's properties to see if LLTD isn't installed?  If your's is working without LLTD then you are just about the only person in the world.  When I first encountered this and I did a search via Google there were literally hundreds of posts about the problem and it took me a while to find the solution.  Without LLTD installed on my XP 32-bit and XP x64 computers they would not show up in the Vista Network places.

This is a direct quote from Microsoft:
Overview

This package contains the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) responder. The network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view of the computers and devices on your network and how they are connected by using the LLTD protocol. The LLTD responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can be detected and appear on the network map. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.


I surely hope knows a little bit about how Windows works!


Timothy Daniels wrote:

"Bobby Johnson" wrote:



One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine.



I came across this thread a couple months later than its posting, but I'd like to register that XP running LLTD seems not to be necessary for XP to be seen by Vista. I have a Vista 32-bit Business Edition with SP1 and an XP Pro Edition with SP3, and they see each other's Shared (XP) and Public (Vista) files just fine without LLTD. XP sees Vista in My Network Places, and Vista sees XP in Network. LLTD seems just necessary to draw the pretty pictures of the connected machines. *TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

I clicked on Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network Connections/Local Area
Connection/
Properties, and the GUI says "This connection uses the following items:", and it
lists
Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks,
and Internet Protocol [TCP/IP]", and all 3 items are checked. Is that what you
mean?

Regarding the quote from Microsoft, note that it says "The network map on a
computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view...", and "The LLTD
responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can be
detected and appear on the network map." If "network map" means Vista's
"Network" list, then Microsoft is saying that XP needs LLTD. But if "network
map" means the "graphical view", than XP doesn't need LLTD. Maybe my
XP Pro/SP3 already has LLTD. But I sure don't remember downloading and
installing it.

*TimDaniels*


"Bobby Johnson" wrote:
> Have you checked in the network adapter's properties to see if LLTD isn't
> installed?
> If your's is working without LLTD then you are just about the only person in
> the world.
> When I first encountered this and I did a search via Google there were
> literally hundreds
> of posts about the problem and it took me a while to find the solution.
> Without LLTD
> installed on my XP 32-bit and XP x64 computers they would not show up in the
> Vista
> Network places.
>
> This is a direct quote from Microsoft:
>
> Overview
> This package contains the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) responder. The
> network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view of the
> computers and devices on your network and how they are connected by using the
> LLTD protocol. The LLTD responder must be installed on a computer running
> Windows XP before it can be detected and appear on the network map. After you
> install this item, you may have to restart your computer.
>
> I surely hope knows a little bit about how Windows works!
>
>
> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> I came across this thread a couple months later than its
> posting, but I'd like to register that XP running LLTD seems
> not to be necessary for XP to be seen by Vista. I have a
> Vista 32-bit Business Edition with SP1 and an XP Pro Edition
> with SP3, and they see each other's Shared (XP) and Public
> (Vista) files just fine without LLTD. XP sees Vista in My
> Network Places, and Vista sees XP in Network. LLTD seems
> just necessary to draw the pretty pictures of the connected
> machines.
>
> *TimDaniels*
>
> "Bobby Johnson" wrote:
>> One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD.
>> There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64.
>> Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine.
>

 

[Jane C]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:O$xr%230INJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I clicked on Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network Connections/Local Area
>Connection/
> Properties, and the GUI says "This connection uses the following items:",
> and it lists
> Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
> Networks,
> and Internet Protocol [TCP/IP]", and all 3 items are checked. Is that
> what you
> mean?
>
> Regarding the quote from Microsoft, note that it says "The network map on
> a
> computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view...", and "The LLTD
> responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can
> be
> detected and appear on the network map." If "network map" means Vista's
> "Network" list, then Microsoft is saying that XP needs LLTD. But if
> "network
> map" means the "graphical view", than XP doesn't need LLTD. Maybe my
> XP Pro/SP3 already has LLTD. But I sure don't remember downloading and
> installing it.
>
> *TimDaniels*
>

Tim,

Yes, the "network map" referred to in Vista that requires the LLTD responder
for the XP machines is that graphical map that you get when you click on the
"View full map" in Network and Sharing Centre. It does not refer to what
you see if you open plain old "Network" (old My Network Places as it used to
be in XP).

FWIW, I never bother with the responder in XP - all my XP installs show up
in Network and can be browsed quite happily

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit

"Jane C" wrote:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> I clicked on Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network Connections/
>> Local Area Connection/Properties, and the GUI says "This
>> connection uses the following items:", and it lists Client for
>> Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, and
>> Internet Protocol [TCP/IP]", and all 3 items
>> are checked. Is that what you mean?
>>
>> Regarding the quote from Microsoft, note that it says "The
>> network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows
>> a graphical view...", and "The LLTD responder must be installed
>> on a computer running Windows XP before it can be detected
>> and appear on the network map." If "network map" means Vista's
>> "Network" list, then Microsoft is saying that XP needs LLTD.
>> But if "network map" means the "graphical view", than XP doesn't
>> need LLTD. Maybe my XP Pro/SP3 already has LLTD. But I
>> sure don't remember downloading and installing it.
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>
>
> Tim,
>
> Yes, the "network map" referred to in Vista that requires the
> LLTD responder for the XP machines is that graphical map
> that you get when you click on the "View full map" in Network
> and Sharing Centre. It does not refer to what you see if you
> open plain old "Network" (old My Network Places as it used
> to be in XP).
>
> FWIW, I never bother with the responder in XP - all my XP
> installs show up in Network and can be browsed quite happily
>
> --
> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
> MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Thanks for clarifying that, Jane. Although I had spent days
struggling to get XP to show up in Vista's Network folder, and
I was pretty sure that I hadn't installed LLTD because it wasn't
clear that it was needed for anything but the pretty diagram.

*TimDaniels*