Firewall question

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For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With the
kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything. My
one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
MT882 modem using the ethernet port.

The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall
also in
the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall on
my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
Windows firewall enabled at present.

Many thanks for any advice offered.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
Re: Firewall question


"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With the
> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything. My
> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>
> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall
> also in
> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall
> on
> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>
> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.

Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt
firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against hackers. You would
need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit the access
granted to applications that you run on your PC.

IMHO, people who exercise discipline and restraint when visiting Internet
sites do not need a firewall other than the one built into their router.
However, if you only had a modem but no router then a firewall would be
mandatory.
 
Re: Firewall question

Some people will relate that a software firewall in addition to a NAT is not
necessary. They're the clever clogs who know what they are doing !
I love it when the odd one of those, (who always proclaim that all that is
needed is for one to be "web-savvy" and "never open that unsolicited email
etc. ...and practice safe surfing habits etc.), get something nasty which
has slipped past all their web-savviness :-)

My view is that considering that so much software, that ends up in a PC is
web-enabled, (and that software writers seem continually to be insisting in
their software that it needs to scuttle along to its' home web-site for
various reasons), that I like to be notified when something lurking in the
background raises its' head with the intention of communicating with its'
home web-site !

I don't want all the free "runtime" software such as Adobe reader, and Sun
Java, and various application programs to be continually checking with their
home site to see if an upgrade is available, for a whole multitude of
reasons !! And I've found that some software still tries to 'get out' even
after digging right through it to switch off "automatic check for updates,"
so it makes one wonder just what some of the software writers are up to !

Exceptions are of couse a/v and and other trusted, (and uninfected!),
software which is best given permission to collect regular updates.

The main attraction of a good 3rd party software firewall, for myself, is
that it monitors for, and alerts you to "unauthorized outbound connection
attempts", in addition to "unauthorized inbound connection attempts," and
for myself helps me to keep and eye on software in my PC that tries to get
out, even after telling it "No" :-)

regards, Richard


"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With the
> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything. My
> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>
> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall
> also in
> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall
> on
> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>
> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.
>
 
Re: Firewall question

Thanks for the comments. I agree some software just doesn't seem able to do
without it's umbilical. I always try to disable all calling home that is
unnecessary, apart from, as you say, antivirus software and so on. My
question was prompted by the fact that the SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem I am
using now has a part of it's config setup that has "enable" and "disable"
for a firewall, so I assumed it has some sort of firewall built in like the
old DLink did. Curious thing is that the manual for it simply doesn't
mention anything about a firewall. Hence my question.

UPDATE: Just did some more digging on the Internet and found that it does
indeed have a firewall built in. So I guess I just answered my own question.
My thanks again to those who helped with ideas and comments.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.


"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ok6MEdBDJHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Some people will relate that a software firewall in addition to a NAT is
> not necessary. They're the clever clogs who know what they are doing !
> I love it when the odd one of those, (who always proclaim that all that is
> needed is for one to be "web-savvy" and "never open that unsolicited email
> etc. ...and practice safe surfing habits etc.), get something nasty
> which has slipped past all their web-savviness :-)
>
> My view is that considering that so much software, that ends up in a PC is
> web-enabled, (and that software writers seem continually to be insisting
> in their software that it needs to scuttle along to its' home web-site for
> various reasons), that I like to be notified when something lurking in the
> background raises its' head with the intention of communicating with its'
> home web-site !
>
> I don't want all the free "runtime" software such as Adobe reader, and Sun
> Java, and various application programs to be continually checking with
> their home site to see if an upgrade is available, for a whole multitude
> of reasons !! And I've found that some software still tries to 'get out'
> even after digging right through it to switch off "automatic check for
> updates," so it makes one wonder just what some of the software writers
> are up to !
>
> Exceptions are of couse a/v and and other trusted, (and uninfected!),
> software which is best given permission to collect regular updates.
>
> The main attraction of a good 3rd party software firewall, for myself, is
> that it monitors for, and alerts you to "unauthorized outbound connection
> attempts", in addition to "unauthorized inbound connection attempts," and
> for myself helps me to keep and eye on software in my PC that tries to get
> out, even after telling it "No" :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
>> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With
>> the
>> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything.
>> My
>> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
>> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>
>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
>> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall
>> also in
>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall
>> on
>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
>> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>
>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>
>> --
>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
>> compulsive computer fiddler.
>>
>
>
 
Re: Firewall question

Well I'm blowed ! I worked on a PC a couple of months ago that was using a
SmartAX adsl modem, and inaddition to the menu labelling in it being a whole
world unto itself !! ...I also noticed that the "firewall" seemed to be
broken into two parts, after I'd tweaked it around as best I could -
www.grc.com 's "Shields Up" reported that lots of ports were actively being
detected by GRC as "blocked" rather than "Stealthed" ...as he calls it,
....which can attract attention to those ports of course because they're
responding as blocked, instead of simply denying access and not responding !

Despite the ambiguous menu labelling inside that SmartAX, it seemd to
require that NAT, (again - ambiguously not labelled as such if I recall
correctly), and the other "Firewall" options to be enabled. Trying to
match up some of the options in that modem with more common terms for them
was VERY difficult, I remember. Hers was a adsl modem + 2 or 4 port router,
made in China, and supplied by her UK ISP "TalkTalk"
....I can remember not liking it at all !

regards, Richard


"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:g9gi4s$8i5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> Thanks for the comments. I agree some software just doesn't seem able to
> do without it's umbilical. I always try to disable all calling home that
> is unnecessary, apart from, as you say, antivirus software and so on. My
> question was prompted by the fact that the SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem I am
> using now has a part of it's config setup that has "enable" and "disable"
> for a firewall, so I assumed it has some sort of firewall built in like
> the old DLink did. Curious thing is that the manual for it simply doesn't
> mention anything about a firewall. Hence my question.
>
> UPDATE: Just did some more digging on the Internet and found that it does
> indeed have a firewall built in. So I guess I just answered my own
> question. My thanks again to those who helped with ideas and comments.
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.
>
>
> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ok6MEdBDJHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Some people will relate that a software firewall in addition to a NAT is
>> not necessary. They're the clever clogs who know what they are doing !
>> I love it when the odd one of those, (who always proclaim that all that
>> is needed is for one to be "web-savvy" and "never open that unsolicited
>> email etc. ...and practice safe surfing habits etc.), get something
>> nasty which has slipped past all their web-savviness :-)
>>
>> My view is that considering that so much software, that ends up in a PC
>> is web-enabled, (and that software writers seem continually to be
>> insisting in their software that it needs to scuttle along to its' home
>> web-site for various reasons), that I like to be notified when something
>> lurking in the background raises its' head with the intention of
>> communicating with its' home web-site !
>>
>> I don't want all the free "runtime" software such as Adobe reader, and
>> Sun Java, and various application programs to be continually checking
>> with their home site to see if an upgrade is available, for a whole
>> multitude of reasons !! And I've found that some software still tries
>> to 'get out' even after digging right through it to switch off
>> "automatic check for updates," so it makes one wonder just what some of
>> the software writers are up to !
>>
>> Exceptions are of couse a/v and and other trusted, (and uninfected!),
>> software which is best given permission to collect regular updates.
>>
>> The main attraction of a good 3rd party software firewall, for myself, is
>> that it monitors for, and alerts you to "unauthorized outbound connection
>> attempts", in addition to "unauthorized inbound connection attempts," and
>> for myself helps me to keep and eye on software in my PC that tries to
>> get out, even after telling it "No" :-)
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
>>> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With
>>> the
>>> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything.
>>> My
>>> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
>>> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>>
>>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
>>> software
>>> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a
>>> firewall also in
>>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall
>>> on
>>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
>>> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
>>> compulsive computer fiddler.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Firewall question

RJK wrote:
> Some people will relate that a software firewall in addition to a NAT
> is not necessary. They're the clever clogs who know what they are
> doing ! I love it when the odd one of those, (who always proclaim that all
> that is needed is for one to be "web-savvy" and "never open that
> unsolicited email etc. ...and practice safe surfing habits etc.),
> get something nasty which has slipped past all their web-savviness :-)
>
> My view is that considering that so much software, that ends up in a
> PC is web-enabled, (and that software writers seem continually to be
> insisting in their software that it needs to scuttle along to its'
> home web-site for various reasons), that I like to be notified when
> something lurking in the background raises its' head with the
> intention of communicating with its' home web-site !
>
> I don't want all the free "runtime" software such as Adobe reader,
> and Sun Java, and various application programs to be continually
> checking with their home site to see if an upgrade is available, for
> a whole multitude of reasons !! And I've found that some software
> still tries to 'get out' even after digging right through it to
> switch off "automatic check for updates," so it makes one wonder
> just what some of the software writers are up to !
> Exceptions are of couse a/v and and other trusted, (and uninfected!),
> software which is best given permission to collect regular updates.
>
> The main attraction of a good 3rd party software firewall, for
> myself, is that it monitors for, and alerts you to "unauthorized
> outbound connection attempts", in addition to "unauthorized inbound
> connection attempts," and for myself helps me to keep and eye on
> software in my PC that tries to get out, even after telling it "No" :-)
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based
>> on a DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the
>> Internet. With the kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided
>> to simplify everything. My one remaining machine now connects to the
>> Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>
>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
>> software firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now
>> with a firewall also in
>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
>> firewall on
>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with
>> the Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>
>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>
>> --
>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
>> and compulsive computer fiddler.

Good post Richard.

--
Mike Pawlak
 
Re: Firewall question

Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on
> a DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet.
> With the kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify
> everything. My one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via
> a SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>
> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
> software firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now
> with a firewall also in
> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
> firewall on my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows
> XP SP3 with the Windows firewall enabled at present.
>
> Many thanks for any advice offered.

http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/03/24/the-best-firewall-software-of-2008-online-armor/

--
Mike Pawlak
 
Re: Firewall question

> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based
>> on a DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the
>> Internet. With the kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided
>> to simplify everything. My one remaining machine now connects to the
>> Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>
>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
>> software firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now
>> with a firewall also in
>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
>> firewall on
>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with
>> the Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>
>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>
>> --
>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
>> and compulsive computer fiddler.
>
> Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt
> firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against hackers. You
> would need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit
> the access granted to applications that you run on your PC.
>
> IMHO, people who exercise discipline and restraint when visiting
> Internet sites do not need a firewall other than the one built into
> their router. However, if you only had a modem but no router then a
> firewall would be mandatory.

That's nearly as ignorant as the poor souls who don't yet have the savvy
to even know what discipline and restreaint etc. are necessary yet. If
you didn't have such a huge ego you'd have room for your software
firewall and because you think you know, doesn't mean anything about any
other single person on this planet.

NAT routers et al only give you a first level of protection. Because
YOU think you don't need one, and the size of you ego makes me wonder,
has absolutely no bearing on the rest of society. A second, 2-way
firewall such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth having for most people.
One of the thngs I detest most on the internet is misinformation, which
your bloated-ego response meets perfectly.
 
Re: Firewall question

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uoNqp4DDJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Well I'm blowed ! I worked on a PC a couple of months ago that was using
> a SmartAX adsl modem, and inaddition to the menu labelling in it being a
> whole world unto itself !! ...I also noticed that the "firewall" seemed to
> be broken into two parts, after I'd tweaked it around as best I could -
> www.grc.com 's "Shields Up" reported that lots of ports were actively
> being detected by GRC as "blocked" rather than "Stealthed" ...as he calls
> it,

Interesting - I had forgotten about GRC, so after your timely reminder I
tried it myself. The system is running just with the Windows firewall, and
with the modem in an "out-of-the-box" state, apart from my user name and
password of course. And it was reported by Shieldsup as being stealthed on
all of the 1056 ports it tests.

Perhaps Vodafone (my NZ ISP) is tweaking something before sending out the
modems. The modem itself and its manual are certainly VERY unhelpful as far
as information about the firewall is concerned.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
 
Re: Firewall question


"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:OvtXbDHDJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based
>>> on a DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the
>>> Internet. With the kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided
>>> to simplify everything. My one remaining machine now connects to the
>>> Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>>
>>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
>>> software firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now
>>> with a firewall also in
>>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
>>> firewall on
>>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with
>>> the Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,
>>> and compulsive computer fiddler.
>>
>> Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt
>> firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against hackers. You
>> would need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit
>> the access granted to applications that you run on your PC.
>>
>> IMHO, people who exercise discipline and restraint when visiting
>> Internet sites do not need a firewall other than the one built into
>> their router. However, if you only had a modem but no router then a
>> firewall would be mandatory.
>
> That's nearly as ignorant as the poor souls who don't yet have the savvy
> to even know what discipline and restreaint etc. are necessary yet. If
> you didn't have such a huge ego you'd have room for your software firewall
> and because you think you know, doesn't mean anything about any other
> single person on this planet.
>
> NAT routers et al only give you a first level of protection. Because YOU
> think you don't need one, and the size of you ego makes me wonder, has
> absolutely no bearing on the rest of society. A second, 2-way firewall
> such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth having for most people. One of the
> thngs I detest most on the internet is misinformation, which your
> bloated-ego response meets perfectly.
>

I suggest you change the balance of your reply: Ease off on attacking me
(which does nothing whatsoever for the OP), put some real meat on the
technical side of your reply (which would be of real value to the OP).
 
Re: Firewall question

I should have mentioned that her SmartAX modem is fine, and after resetting
it, and setting it back up with her ISP details - it was fine, including a
quick check at www.grc.com 's "Shields Up" that was okay.
....I suppose what I was really saying is that there were some screens in
there using labels that I couldn't quickly identify, compared to NetGear and
Linksys products. ...Pretty much like motherboard bios screens !

regards, Richard


"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:g9hjcp$s6i$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uoNqp4DDJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Well I'm blowed ! I worked on a PC a couple of months ago that was using
>> a SmartAX adsl modem, and inaddition to the menu labelling in it being a
>> whole world unto itself !! ...I also noticed that the "firewall" seemed
>> to be broken into two parts, after I'd tweaked it around as best I
>> could - www.grc.com 's "Shields Up" reported that lots of ports were
>> actively being detected by GRC as "blocked" rather than "Stealthed"
>> ...as he calls it,
>
> Interesting - I had forgotten about GRC, so after your timely reminder I
> tried it myself. The system is running just with the Windows firewall, and
> with the modem in an "out-of-the-box" state, apart from my user name and
> password of course. And it was reported by Shieldsup as being stealthed on
> all of the 1056 ports it tests.
>
> Perhaps Vodafone (my NZ ISP) is tweaking something before sending out the
> modems. The modem itself and its manual are certainly VERY unhelpful as
> far as information about the firewall is concerned.
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
> compulsive computer fiddler.
>
 
Re: Firewall question

hmm..?

people who are highly
knowledgeable can run
around the internet w/o
a anti virus, like i do
for the reason you state.

but using the windows
firewall is convenient and
better than not having one
at all.

router firewalls are not
worth the time or trouble
and perhaps are a secondary
defense for webservers and
not home servers.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>


"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message news:ONawlWBDJHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
>> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With the
>> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything. My
>> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
>> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>
>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
>> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall also in
>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall on
>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
>> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>
>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>
>> --
>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
>> compulsive computer fiddler.
>
> Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against
> hackers. You would need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit the access granted to applications that you run
> on your PC.
>
> IMHO, people who exercise discipline and restraint when visiting Internet sites do not need a firewall other than the one built
> into their router. However, if you only had a modem but no router then a firewall would be mandatory.
>
 
Re: Firewall question

> hmm..?
>
> people who are highly
> knowledgeable can run
> around the internet w/o
> a anti virus, like i do

Come again??

> for the reason you state.
>
> but using the windows
> firewall is convenient and
> better than not having one
> at all.
>
> router firewalls are not
> worth the time or trouble
> and perhaps are a secondary
> defense for webservers and
> not home servers.
>
> --
>
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message
> news:ONawlWBDJHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
>>> DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With
>>> the
>>> kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything.
>>> My
>>> one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
>>> MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>>>
>>> The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a
>>> software
>>> firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a
>>> firewall
>>> also in the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
>>> firewall on my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP
>>> SP3 with the
>>> Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
>>> compulsive computer fiddler.
>>
>> Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt
>> firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against hackers. You
>> would
>> need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit the access
>> granted to applications that you run on your PC. IMHO, people who
>> exercise discipline and restraint when visiting Internet
>> sites do not need a firewall other than the one built into their router.
>> However, if you only had a modem but no router then a firewall would be
>> mandatory.
 
Re: Firewall question


" db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:e06v2ZHDJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> hmm..?
>
> people who are highly
> knowledgeable can run
> around the internet w/o
> a anti virus, like i do
> for the reason you state.

I thought the subject was "Firewall", not "Virus"?
 
Re: Firewall question

potato's, patato's...

running around w/o
protection is best
left for the experts.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message news:uH505hHDJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> " db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:e06v2ZHDJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> hmm..?
>>
>> people who are highly
>> knowledgeable can run
>> around the internet w/o
>> a anti virus, like i do
>> for the reason you state.
>
> I thought the subject was "Firewall", not "Virus"?
>
 
Re: Firewall question

db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:

> hmm..?
>
> people who are highly
> knowledgeable can run
> around the internet w/o
> a anti virus, like i do
> for the reason you state.

Perfect example of a false premise in a syllogism, only the conclusion
is missing...
 
Re: Firewall question

John John (MVP) wrote:
> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>
>> hmm..?
>>
>> people who are highly
>> knowledgeable can run
>> around the internet w/o
>> a anti virus, like i do
>> for the reason you state.
>
> Perfect example of a false premise in a syllogism, only the conclusion
> is missing...

You better explain to him what a syllogism is.
 
Re: Firewall question

Gentlemen, gentlemen, (& ladies?), I appreciate the helpful and knowlegeable
comments here, and I have read them carefully. I think I will stay with the
router firewall, and the built in Windows XP firewall. Frankly. it's been so
long since I last picked up a problem that I can't remember when that was.
What I do remember about it is that it was my own stupid fault for browsing
without any protection whatsoever at the time. I learned a sharp lesson, and
deservedly so.

I also run Avast antivirus, and a paid for version of Ashampoo AntiSpyWare.
I used my old DLink router for a few years with nothing more than its own
built in firewall, and never had a problem (that I know of - grin), so I'll
keep the same sort of setup for now.

Once again, I am grateful for the comments and suggestions.

--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uhYhSFIDJHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>>
>>> hmm..?
>>>
>>> people who are highly
>>> knowledgeable can run
>>> around the internet w/o
>>> a anti virus, like i do
>>> for the reason you state.
>>
>> Perfect example of a false premise in a syllogism, only the conclusion
>> is missing...
>
> You better explain to him what a syllogism is.
>
 
Re: Firewall question

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:25:29 -0400, Twayne wrote:

<snip>

> A second, 2-way firewall such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth having
> for most people.

Please provide technical & security related reasons for recommending ZA and
relevant statistics in relation to "...worth having for *most* people".

> One of the thngs I detest most on the internet is misinformation,

Recommending ZA as an Internet Security application is gross
misinformation!

> which your bloated-ego response meets perfectly.

Which 3rd party software manufacturer do you represent?
 
Re: Firewall question

In article <Oa0Z1HJDJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com says...
> Recommending ZA as an Internet Security application is gross
> misinformation!
>

I know more people that have been compromised using third party firewall
software on their computers than I know that have been protected by it.

Most people that use ZA/ZAP are also completely ignorant and just
accept/allow anything through, they also run as local administrators,
they just don't have a clue.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 

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