Firewall question

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Re: Firewall question

> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:OvtXbDHDJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:g9g4r4$il$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>> For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based
>>>> on a DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the
>>>> Internet. With the kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided
>>>> to simplify everything. My one remaining machine now connects to
>>>> the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+ MT882 modem using the ethernet
>>>> port. The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also
>>>> ran a
>>>> software firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now
>>>> with a firewall also in
>>>> the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software
>>>> firewall on
>>>> my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3
>>>> with the Windows firewall enabled at present.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for any advice offered.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
>>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee
>>>> nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.
>>>
>>> Your DLink 504T is an ADSL modem/router and has therefore an inbuilt
>>> firewall. It will protect you quite effectively against hackers. You
>>> would need a more sophisticated firewall only if you wanted to limit
>>> the access granted to applications that you run on your PC.
>>>
>>> IMHO, people who exercise discipline and restraint when visiting
>>> Internet sites do not need a firewall other than the one built into
>>> their router. However, if you only had a modem but no router then a
>>> firewall would be mandatory.

>>
>> That's nearly as ignorant as the poor souls who don't yet have the
>> savvy to even know what discipline and restreaint etc. are necessary
>> yet. If you didn't have such a huge ego you'd have room for your
>> software firewall and because you think you know, doesn't mean
>> anything about any other single person on this planet.
>>
>> NAT routers et al only give you a first level of protection. Because
>> YOU think you don't need one, and the size of you ego makes
>> me wonder, has absolutely no bearing on the rest of society. A
>> second, 2-way firewall such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth
>> having for most people. One of the thngs I detest most on the
>> internet is misinformation, which your bloated-ego response meets
>> perfectly.

>
> I suggest you change the balance of your reply: Ease off on attacking
> me (which does nothing whatsoever for the OP), put some real meat on
> the technical side of your reply (which would be of real value to the
> OP).


I will "attack" as you put it, misinformation wherever and whenever I
find it and wish to do so. You attempted to paint the universe with all
one color and that doesn't work. If you want someone to have more
accurate information, I would suggest you provide it.
I have nothing against you personally; only misinformation. If you
feel that's against you, then so be it; I can't help that. I seldom pay
attention to names unless I see grossly incorrect information so up to
this point i had no idea it was you who posted that; the author wasn't
important yet. The misinformation is/was.

I think I made myself clear enough. The OP can make his own decisions,
even do his own research. Were he to ask further questions I would
gladly provide any relevant information or experience that I may have.

I will admit one thing; I did have more for the OP In the way of
information, but I was interrupted and didn't get back to posting
directly until just now. So in some way I am remiss in providing
information. But from the look of the thread it's all become moot now.
 
Re: Firewall question

> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:25:29 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> A second, 2-way firewall such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth
>> having for most people.

>
> Please provide technical & security related reasons for recommending
> ZA and relevant statistics in relation to "...worth having for *most*
> people".
>
>> One of the thngs I detest most on the internet is misinformation,

>
> Recommending ZA as an Internet Security application is gross
> misinformation!
>
>> which your bloated-ego response meets perfectly.

>
> Which 3rd party software manufacturer do you represent?


You need to reread and try to find a recommendation there for ZA.
Perhaps you would have preferred if I listed every one I could think of
starting with Avira?

I 'represent' ALL software mfrs that I like, use and trust.
 
Re: Firewall question

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:15:42 +1200, "Peter in New Zealand"
<peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote:

>For some years I have had a LAN with four computers at home, based on a
>DLink DSL504T modem/router also providing access to the Internet. With the
>kids all grown up and gone now-a-days I decided to simplify everything. My
>one remaining machine now connects to the Internet via a SmartAX ADSL2+
>MT882 modem using the ethernet port.
>
>The old DLink had a hardware firewall built in, and I also ran a software
>firewall on each individual computer. My question is, now with a firewall
>also in
>the new modem, and no LAN any more, do I really need a software firewall on
>my single machine as well any more? I am running Windows XP SP3 with the
>Windows firewall enabled at present.
>
>Many thanks for any advice offered.



Go to www.grc.com and run Shields Up! It will plot a graph of any
open, closed, and stealth ports and show possible vulnerable areas you
can fix. Don't try this at work, as it hammers a firewall and may
upset a security systems administrator.
 
Re: Firewall question


"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:eA0GyLKDJHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:OvtXbDHDJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> I will "attack" as you put it, misinformation wherever and whenever I find
> it and wish to do so.


In a technical forum one puts forward facts to discuss an issue. In a bar
room brawl one ignores the facts and attacks the person. The language you
used lacks the objectivity one expects in a technical discusssion.
 
Re: Firewall question

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:37:27 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <Oa0Z1HJDJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
> kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com says...
>> Recommending ZA as an Internet Security application is gross
>> misinformation!
>>

>
> I know more people that have been compromised using third party firewall
> software on their computers than I know that have been protected by it.


Very true. And because the (PFW) software is so poorly coded they can be
problematic when trying to remove from the operating system.

> Most people that use ZA/ZAP are also completely ignorant and just
> accept/allow anything through, they also run as local administrators,
> they just don't have a clue.


Yes. If usage of LUA/UAC and in-build f/w in WinXP/Vista would be
advertised/promoted as aggressively as PFW's we'd have more well informed
users.
 
Re: Firewall question

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:27:51 -0400, Twayne wrote:

>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:25:29 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> A second, 2-way firewall such as ZoneAlarm etc., is indeed worth
>>> having for most people.

>>
>> Please provide technical & security related reasons for recommending
>> ZA and relevant statistics in relation to "...worth having for *most*
>> people".
>>
>>> One of the thngs I detest most on the internet is misinformation,

>>
>> Recommending ZA as an Internet Security application is gross
>> misinformation!
>>
>>> which your bloated-ego response meets perfectly.

>>
>> Which 3rd party software manufacturer do you represent?

>
> You need to reread and try to find a recommendation there for ZA.


Okay then; I rephrase it to "insinuating".

> Perhaps you would have preferred if I listed every one I could think of


My preference is not the issue here.

> starting with Avira?


In relation to PFW?

> I 'represent' ALL software mfrs that I like, use and trust.


Ahh.
 
Re: Firewall question

you're welcome.

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"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message news:g9hsqp$1t7$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> Gentlemen, gentlemen, (& ladies?), I appreciate the helpful and knowlegeable comments here, and I have read them carefully. I
> think I will stay with the router firewall, and the built in Windows XP firewall. Frankly. it's been so long since I last picked
> up a problem that I can't remember when that was. What I do remember about it is that it was my own stupid fault for browsing
> without any protection whatsoever at the time. I learned a sharp lesson, and deservedly so.
>
> I also run Avast antivirus, and a paid for version of Ashampoo AntiSpyWare. I used my old DLink router for a few years with
> nothing more than its own built in firewall, and never had a problem (that I know of - grin), so I'll keep the same sort of setup
> for now.
>
> Once again, I am grateful for the comments and suggestions.
>
> --
> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uhYhSFIDJHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> John John (MVP) wrote:
>>> db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
>>>
>>>> hmm..?
>>>>
>>>> people who are highly
>>>> knowledgeable can run
>>>> around the internet w/o
>>>> a anti virus, like i do
>>>> for the reason you state.
>>>
>>> Perfect example of a false premise in a syllogism, only the conclusion
>>> is missing...

>>
>> You better explain to him what a syllogism is.
>>

>
>
 

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